Do you remember the video of the weirdo who actually went around a CVS licking everything in sight during Covid? Sorry. Your comment reminded me of that.
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StrategicCarry22 hr ago
+57
Rudy Gobert touching all the microphones and then testing positive a couple days later, which shut down an NBA game. Two days after that everything closed down.
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gundam198321 hr ago
+34
That immature and idiotic act probably saved countless lives. I was at the Kings/Pelicans game where they called the game before tip off, and the league shut down.
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munkisquisher12 hr ago
+2
F1 too cancelled the first race of the season with people standing at the gates to be let in on the first day of testing. Some of the teams already had cases in their Garage.
2
I_am_pyxidis19 hr ago
+13
It's crazy how everyone took it seriously the moment the NBA took it seriously.
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DoktorSigma18 hr ago
+2
For some reason I remembered just that insane Japanese movie Gozu, where there's a scene of a minotaur liking a guy's face - https://youtu.be/VD3SVbY81Uo?t=5030
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Laractinium22 hr ago
+18
Don't tell me what to do! \*licks next patient even harder\*
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Vier_Scar15 hr ago
-5
I'm sorry, you've tested positive for TDS. There is no known cure, and unfortunately, it's not fatal
-5
AvalonCollective17 hr ago
+6
STOP LICKING THE DAMN THING!
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DrZonino202221 hr ago
+4
Alright Gale
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Firmod517 hr ago
+2
Wait, licking patients isn’t allowed anymore?
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bussymonke16 hr ago
+2
they taste so good tho
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BubblyRock64551 day ago
+613
Dutch travelers who need to quarantine at home are also allowed outside, if they maintain 1.5m distance and wear a face mask. They are not strictly monitored by the health authorities. Unbelievable.
613
waltur_d11 hr ago
+18
People are severely overestimating how transmissible this virus is.
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EatAPeach202311 hr ago
+16
So we're all those people who got infected making out with each other? Sharing straws? Eating the same rat shit?
Didn't someone get it who was seated behind someone on a plane?
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MrFunnie10 hr ago
+7
So far that person who was seated two rows behind the person on the plane has tested negative.
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EatAPeach20239 hr ago
+2
Oh good
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HazMatterhorn7 hr ago
+1
Probably eating the same rat shit, honestly
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whatshamilton11 hr ago
+8
That’s because this disease is transmitted by prolonged close contact with bodily fluids. Not by air as covid was. Stop acting like you understand one disease so you understand them all. Listen to experts’ advice and understand it’s their advice because they’re experts. You don’t know more than them because of your 6 year old learning about an entirely different virus
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pixlatedpuffin10 hr ago
-1
False
-1
SistedTwister123 hr ago
-211
Unbelievable? The health authority’s have authority in the name. If they say it’s fine why not accept their advice?
-211
Hvarfa-Bragi23 hr ago
+189
If we had just locked the first 1500 people with covid in a room for two weeks we could have saved four years and hundreds of thousands of lives.
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SoCalThrowAway723 hr ago
+133
Covid killed millions not hundreds of thousands
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gandalftheorange1123 hr ago
-2
No, we couldn’t have. It would have gone global regardless. It was already spreading country to country before anyone even knew what was happening. We would have had to remain completely closed off to the world until the vaccine was released.
-2
Nostradumbass_WEEN9 hr ago
+2
Its crazy how many people reject reality for, "just think about it bro!" Everything is so simple, when they just think about it.
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ProteinPony22 hr ago
-17
Low information take. The first 1500 infected were not cleanly identified in one distinct seggregated area. A teenager should be able to have deeper critical thinking skills than this.
-17
Hvarfa-Bragi21 hr ago
+12
What if, and hear me out, as soon as practicable, we isolated the infected, no matter if they were in one place?
What if we had 100% compliance with quarantines and lockdowns and let the virus run its course in a limited population?
We could have had the same experience that took us two years in two weeks.
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ProteinPony20 hr ago
-11
You are either very naive or deliberately playing down the complexity of covid transmission. Either way, I will not continue wasting more time explaining why what you prescribe is pretty obviously impossible.
-11
Big-Shopping779518 hr ago
-7
yeah folks lets let all the old people living in assisted living facilities fend for themselves for two weeks, and if you're having a baby just hold it in! we gotta stop this VIRUS
-7
Hvarfa-Bragi18 hr ago
-2
Good of the many something something.
Also, is it healthy as a society to extend the worst quality, most expensive years of life, eating up all their life's earnings and leaving no inheritance?
Seems a little wasteful.
Also, we could save money in other ways. I have a modest proposal for you...
-2
Big-Shopping779518 hr ago
-10
lolo typical liberal expecting a free payout at the expense of others. HURRY UP AND DIE GRANNY SO I GET YOUR MONEY
-10
TuckerCarlsonsOhface16 hr ago
+6
Yeah, conservatives are well known for their care of people other than themselves.
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Big-Shopping779514 hr ago
-1
yup i'm so glad the vaccine schedule was fixed by us so excess heavy metals aren't injected into innocent american children in the name of big pharma 🥰
-1
Big-Shopping779518 hr ago
-5
and also, what if the old people are black?? certainly you'd care then, no? did george floyd die for nothing?
-5
SistedTwister123 hr ago
-16
I understand but I’ve heard from a few different health experts really trying to nail home that this is not sars covid 2. Like this isn’t a new virus that came out of no where we’ve been dealing with hantavirus in smallish outbreaks for years.
-16
swrrrrg23 hr ago
+16
Yeah. But guess which one has a 40% mortality rate…
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Hvarfa-Bragi23 hr ago
+11
That's cool. Also those people should have been pushed back out into the water every time they tried to dock.
"Here's some food, go away."
Drop a couple doctors in hazmat suits or park a hospital ship next to it or whatever for compassion but limit that (potential) spread.
Globalization has brought many good things, but a novel virus can be halway around the world and in a thousand strangers by lunch.
Also, you get what you deserve if you book a cruise.
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Terrariant22 hr ago
Fuckin hell guys its nowhere as transmissable as COVID. It doesn’t have the ability to spread like COVID does
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-22
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Big-Shopping779523 hr ago
-165
how dare those people go outside and enjoy the sun! they should be locked in a dungeon!
-165
Hvarfa-Bragi22 hr ago
+76
They can be outdoors enjoying the sun as long as it's way over there and they don't get near anyone healthy.
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Big-Shopping779518 hr ago
-72
they can do as they please for all i care bc hantavirus is spread by rat droppings, not people. actual doctors know this and why they don't care if people arent quarantining. you, please go quarantine we need less people like you outside.
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HomeAliveIn4517 hr ago
+25
That is false. The Andes strain (the one in question here) \*can\* spread directly between humans, though not easily and generally just with prolonged contact. Though admittedly the fear about this whole thing is its high lethality, not its transmissibility
Edited because autocorrect turned its into it’s
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BubblyRock645517 hr ago
+5
Thank you, yes I was referring to the Andes variant, not Hanta virus.
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HomeAliveIn4514 hr ago
+3
Appreciate that. It’s entirely possible there’s been a miscommunication here, but just to clarify: the “Andes variant” is a variant of the Hanta virus. Just like a Honda Civic is categorically a variant of a car. They’re all very nearly the same thing by scientific standards, but not at all in practice. Especially when it comes to public health
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BubblyRock645517 hr ago
+30
You missed the memo. It CAN spread from close human contact too. They say it’s not very common but certainly possible.
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judioverde16 hr ago
+10
Wow confidently stating incorrect information. It is literally all over the news that this strain can spread person to person, but people should not freak out because it doesn't spread as easily as something like influenza or covid. Spreading is associated with close, prolonged contact, so the risk from someone being outside with a mask on and distant from others is very low. That being said, covid showed that people just can't help themselves and will take risks and generally be selfish and are incapable of putting up with even slight inconviences, not to mention larger ones.
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Big-Shopping779514 hr ago
-17
yeah it sure did. one party released a disease that killed millions to win an election. so selfish and incapable.
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judioverde13 hr ago
+3
The chinese communist party??
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ahBoof12 hr ago
+2
Lmao would expect no less from previous comments this is your stance.
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Hvarfa-Bragi12 hr ago
Found your alt.
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Prize-Town991313 hr ago
+1
Stop spreading false information.
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mjbmitch15 hr ago
+1
How did it spread from the patient to the hospital workers treating the patient then?
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HazMatterhorn7 hr ago
+1
It didn’t.
These hospital workers aren’t quarantined because they caught it, they’re quarantined out of an abundance of caution because they had close contact with known infectious samples from the patient.
> When taking the patient's blood, a standard procedure was followed, rather than a stricter protocol required due to the "nature of the virus."
I mean it’s literally in the article we’re commenting on…
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Healthy_Pen_76831 day ago
+255
alright i guess they are taking this as serious as they should be lol
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Merdaviglioso22 hr ago
+119
Still fail to understand why we let them leave the ship.
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shaka893P22 hr ago
+61
Because they thought it was the regular hantavirus instead of the human to human one.
Everyone was blaming the cruise and thinking it was rat infested, when in all likelihood it was a person that brought it aboard.
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Mountainenthusiast219 hr ago
+57
No, we’ve known way before they disembarked that it was the Andes strain, P2P
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Pjpjpjpjpj18 hr ago
+48
May 6 - Human to human transmission was suspected but not confirmed.
May 8 - WHO announced it was capable of human to human transmission. P2P confirmed.
May 10 - The ship landed at Tenerife and began unloading passengers
May 11 - Passenger disembarkation was completed.
The nuance is that it was believed the virus can’t be spread P2P until the patient began to show symptoms. They thought they filtered out people who had been exposed to symptomatic patients. But either our understanding of this strain’s transmission is wrong or people didn’t honestly report their symptoms or tracking of contact was wrong.
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cubsgirl10113 hr ago
+8
We understood this was a P2P transmission as soon as it was suspected this was the Andes strain of hantavirus. The fact everyone was in close quarters on a cruise ship is why there’s an outbreak and everyone was evacuated because you can’t provide adequate medical care on a cruise boat. These people all need to be in high quality medical facilities that specialize in rare infectious disease and as far as I’m aware, anyone who was on the boat once hantavirus was confirmed all were medically evacuated to their country of origin’s rare disease centers.
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Jjerot13 hr ago
+7
Wasn't human to human transmission already known about with Hantavirus, just rare?
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flyinghairball9 hr ago
+2
Yes, a specific strain associated with the Andes. There are medical journal articles about it from multiple years ago.
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SaltRequirement365022 hr ago
+65
The identified patient zero as an ornithologist who went to a South America landfill to take bird pictures. Knowing full well the virus existed there. This is the fault of Leo Schilperoord so he could get his precious bird pictures.
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PermissionSoggy89115 hr ago
+4
because some idiots apparently thought it would be funny to birdwatch at a f****** landfill. Yeah, I ain't buying this story.
Some real Umbrella shits going on here
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Relevant-Guarantee2512 hr ago
+1
The thing thats wild is they don't think human to human can't go human to rat to rat to rat to rat to human to human and thats GG especially since rats play in our fecal matter and the primary way they detect virus is in the sewage LOL!
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JambaJuice91613 hr ago
+1
That was never really an option, this isn’t the Middle Ages
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Merdaviglioso12 hr ago
+2
That's exactly why they should be on the ship or in treatment centers. Because this isn't the Middle Ages and we know how this virus works.
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BasicMatter73398 hr ago
+1
Because its simply not that high risk of a disease, this has been constantly said by all parties
This andes virus is not new, we've known it for 3 decades, we know how it works, we know it's a poor spreader even though we dont know how it spreads yet. There have been outbreaks far larger than this one in the past and we've been fine.
This is not the end of the world, not a new pandemic, people are just panicking because covid trauma
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QuaccDaddy23 hr ago
+92
The biggest news here is the realization of how many people lost faith in WHO and/or CDC after COVID
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Nghtmare-Moon22 hr ago
+63
After no one listened to their advise and we got a pandemic… how would we not listen to their advise again!?
/s
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ybpaladin10 hr ago
+3
Not only did we not listen to their advice, we got mad at a gov agency that had the gall to tell us how to behave. Asa result, we actively did the bare minimum at best and the opposite at worst, then gutted the agency so that we never have to be told to care about others again.
The next pandemic will be worse and no one will care because f*** you.
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Long-Euphoric-Life20 hr ago
-10
They were late by like 2-3 months. They didn’t do shit.
-10
Simple-Dingo672118 hr ago
-12
Their advice was inconsistent and short sighted. How have we not collectively realized that by now?
-12
Pjpjpjpjpj18 hr ago
+16
Science of novel viruses is not perfect and humans do the best they can to provide guidance based upon limited and inconsistent data.
Expecting perfection - and ignoring recommendations in the absence of perfection - is far worse than dealing with constantly updated and refined recommendations.
Also - politicians twisted a lot of what WHO wanted to do because of freedom and the economy (profits).
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Simple-Dingo672118 hr ago
-10
We’re making generalizations. The person to whom I replied said “nobody listened to their advice.” That’s wrong, even generally speaking. Everyone and their mother wore masks, socially distanced, bent over backwards to take the vaccine, and guess what? Global pandemic. Dr Fauci himself admitted in a private meeting (now publicized) that herd immunity was preferable to forced immunizations, BUT that the general public is incompetent and should therefore be coerced into certain public health behaviors for the sake of the minority of citizens that were truly vulnerable to Covid, namely the elderly and obese.
I will make generalizations too. The public health advice was generally bad - the six foot rule in the context of Covid had no scientific founding nor mechanistic explanation whatsoever. The six foot rule social distancing rule was bullshit. Masks were good but not good enough. Social isolation was idiotic and only preceded what has become a scourge on the development of young children. The experts forcibly closed churches, public parks, and exercise gyms, and all the while bars and strip clubs stayed open. That’s not experts “doing their best.” It’s incompetence at best and malice at worst. And don’t even get me started on the Ivermectin debacle or how WHO exercised top-down control of nurses in public hospitals, thereby superseding their knowledge and forcing patients onto ventilators (increases mortality rate by 20% regardless of etiology) and/or Remdesivir (nurses nicknamed it Run Death is Near)
To your point about refined recommendations - wrong. Show me when and where CDC and/or WHO has publicly admitted their mistakes. They’re not scientific lol, they’re political. They haven’t walked back on any of their asinine policies. They were and they are doubling down. Hantavirus is next. Once you realize that you will understand why the public has a justification to be skeptical about the so called experts.
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Single-Refuse17412 hr ago
+2
It is f****** insane to me that you can simultaneously be this stupid and also literate and capable of compound sentences.
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Simple-Dingo672110 hr ago
-2
Sad to see people like you steeped in ignorance. I have faith you’ll learn some day.
-2
Apocrisiary16 hr ago
+5
Not really. My job followed their recomendations to a T.
This was in a analytics lab with several labs and an open office space, with about 60 workers.
None of us got sick at work, not a single one. But some contracted it from outside, they where isolated immidietly and could not come back to work before testing negative again.
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ProteinPony22 hr ago
-24
To be fair, countries like new zealand and australia that did strict lockdowns eventually gave up as they caused more harm than good longterm.
-24
Nghtmare-Moon22 hr ago
+24
Yes but that was the point.
If everyone listens we get 2 weeks lockdown, if only some listen we get 2 years off and on.
You can say “well only a few people pissed on the pool”… we all share the same pool.
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JambaJuice91613 hr ago
+1
Basically the red button vs blue button debate
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ProteinPony21 hr ago
-13
Lockdowns are imperfect by nature. The infrastructure for fully locking everyone down for 2 weeks wasn't there and still isn't there.
With imperfect lockdowns you don't get the desired results, rendering them more harmful than helpful over all.
-13
Ghosts_and_Empties1 day ago
+73
If we are being told the truth, this particular strain of the virus is not a mutation.
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UnfortunatelySimple1 day ago
+103
Yet, it's not a mutation yet.
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bestmaokaina23 hr ago
+68
Seems like most places are trying their hardest for it to mutate lmao
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UnfortunatelySimple23 hr ago
+26
Yeh I did some reading, and as I could understand it seems that mutation is a possible concern with this virus.
Now is unlikely with low infection numbers, however if not impossible that it can mutate and then we could end up in significant trouble.
If we spend so much money putting warning labels on everyday items to save the odd life, went aren't we taking this a little more serious?
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tehrob22 hr ago
+16
My understanding, not with hantavirus in particular, but after listening to a lot of This Week in Virology during Covid, is: viruses mutate ALL the time. From person to person and within a person, viral populations are not EXACTLY the same over time, and, if a virus gets into a person that is very sick, with a weakened immune system, it can sometimes persist longer and accumulate much much more mutation than in the typical person. Then we are going to possibly see something that mutates in a way that could make it, for instance, more transmissible.
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bestmaokaina22 hr ago
-11
like what if the virus gets into someone who has had covid lots of times and it learns its properties for better transmission. obviously the likelihood of it happening its extremely low but it would be a disaster
-11
Apocrisiary16 hr ago
+4
That is not how it works.
Its like evolution, random changes happen and sometime it is just the "right" change that make it say more transmissible or deadly. Just like evolution, some animal or human for that matter is born with a mutation that makes it more viable than the previous "version". So it takes over. (Very Eli5, but that is the gist of it)
The virus can't learn anything from it's host.
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TronLegacysucks16 hr ago
Not possible, hantaviruses and coronaviruses are just too different for there to be any exchange of genetic material, recombination events happens only between related viruses (like different strains of Influenza or Covid)
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DDoubleDDog23 hr ago
+26
What century is this? One would think that by now we would know how to do this properly.
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Ognius19 hr ago
+13
This is like the beginning of The Stand.
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dondeestasbueno11 hr ago
+1
Kyle Maclachlan as the Randall Flagg.
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TinyEmergencyCake19 hr ago
+11
Let me guess they wore a blue splash guard instead of an n95
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Crafty_Pangolin_500723 hr ago
+20
idk. current data on how it’s transmitted should mean that it doesn’t spread that easily. if it became airborne like COVID especially with the asymptomatic period there would be real trouble though.
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Maki141122 hr ago
+27
On the basis of evidence from five reconstructed person-to-person transmission events, the route of infection in secondary cases was possibly through inhalation of droplets or aerosolized virions.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
“It is unclear how human-to-human transmission of ANDV occurs, but it appears that close contact with an infected person is necessary, and airborne transmission should be considered a possibility.”
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/andes-hantavirus-epidemiology-outbreaks-and-guidance
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iwishihadnobones23 hr ago
+16
It seems like eventually the entire world will eventually be infected after several billion unforced blunders, one after the next
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echodarlin14 hr ago
+3
Is this new news?
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fishdude8914 hr ago
+7
People really are f****** this up at every single stage huh
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Orangeshowergal1 day ago
+36
At what point will we start saying “oh shit?”
Obviously covid was different because the infection spread differently and rapidly
What would have to happen for you to be worried about hanta?
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ResidentNo111 day ago
+98
Spread in a way and to a degree it hasn't before would be a concern. That's not happening. People being quarantined out of precaution is not a red flag screaming pandemic.
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Maki141122 hr ago
+4
On the basis of evidence from five reconstructed person-to-person transmission events, the route of infection in secondary cases was possibly through inhalation of droplets or aerosolized virions.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
“It is unclear how human-to-human transmission of ANDV occurs, but it appears that close contact with an infected person is necessary, and airborne transmission should be considered a possibility.”
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/andes-hantavirus-epidemiology-outbreaks-and-guidance
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ResidentNo1122 hr ago
+3
Thar doesn't mean that it's suddenly going to behave differently from before. Means of transmission is not the only thing that determines how a virus spreads. Sometimes it's good to listen to what all the experts are saying.
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Maki141121 hr ago
+15
I’m not saying it behaves differently but too many people hear “hantavirus” and aren’t worried because the majority of them transmit only via rodent feces, urine or saliva. The Andes strain is different in that it can transmit effectively from human to human and we still don’t know much about the virus. First they said it was through close contact only but now everything is pointing towards transmission through fomites/droplets suspended in air. We also still don’t know if asymptomatic transmission is possible despite the media telling everyone that it can only be contagious when the person is showing symptoms. The following article mentions an asymptomatic case but that the virus obtained from the blood sample was culturable which could mean that asymptomatic transmission might be possible
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/
I don’t think we should panic, but I think this should be handled with way more caution as it currently is. The worst case scenario of going over the top with safety measures is that the people who have been in contact with known cases will be inconvenienced by an 8 week mandatory quarantine will be pissed. The worst case scenario of underestimating it is that it will spread and even if it won’t cause the next pandemic it will be a much greater pain in the ass trying to contain it once it spreads beyond the initial group that has had contact.
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Citroen_0521 hr ago
+1
I'm not getting a specific article from that link, and for the sake of my browser tab situation need to avoid searching that site. ;-)
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Blarg01171 day ago
+41
The 1 - 8 week incubation period is what worries. People assuming they got a cold because its been too long to connect the dots to where you got infected.
I'm less concerned about about a pandemic and more thinking about it becoming endemic outside of South America.
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Green-Dragon-141 day ago
+29
That there is no cure & has 30-50% mortality rate. That a good reason to be worried.
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FixedFun116 hr ago
+6
> What would have to happen for you to be worried about hanta?
As someone who lives in Argentina, the local epidemics die down because the virus kill everyone infected.
I'm a bit scared because tha Hantavirus is lethal and can kill you no problem.
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Jjerot13 hr ago
+4
Not even close to that point yet. A lot of people are immediately jumping to COVID as a comparison, but prior to that we've seen countless localized outbreaks of various illnesses reported about, without them reaching global pandemic levels.
SARS (2003), MERS (2012), Bird flu, Ebola, Zika.
"Oh shit" is when spread is wide enough that containment efforts fail and health resources start becoming strained/failing.
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External-Praline-4511 day ago
+17
As far as I know, no-one outside of passengers has caught it. If cases start happening from multiple contacts, then there is a worry. We still don't know if they all caught it from an infection source on the ship or from each other.
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TheMailerDaemonLives14 hr ago
+5
The minute it jumps to someone who wasn’t on that ship and they have symptoms, that’s when we should get worried
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Modeno1 day ago
+9
It seems like the same type of people stressing the f*** out about Hantavirus being the next Covid were the same ones who had a motto about trusting the experts during the pandemic.
Well… trust the experts, they say they’re not worried about it turning into the next Covid
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hantavirus-covid-infectious-disease-experts/
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/johns-hopkins-university-expert-explains-hantavirus/71262114
https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/expert-qa-what-is-hantavirus-and-what-you-need-to-know/2026/05
Hell even Jon Stewart did a pretty funny bit on it
https://youtu.be/WGMmgMke9p8?t=126&si=ha4uH1LZXynqgePY
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mnyc8623 hr ago
+22
Trump fired all the competent folks. Ain’t trusting a Fox News host in a cabinet position.
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dorkofthepolisci21 hr ago
+8
Being skeptical of the CDC under the current administration is fair
But the equivalent bodies in other countries and international organizations are not overly concerned and do not foresee this becoming a pandemic level event
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Modeno23 hr ago
These are experts, so outside the administration lol
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IWasOnThe18thHole14 hr ago
+2
The reason why people didn't trust the experts was because they told people not to mask up and it'll be fine until we needed masks and isolation
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Blackfoxar1 day ago
+2
I am not worried, the virus can come and do what it wants, the people don't want to care.
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Mindless-Peak-16871 day ago
-2
We won't as it is not as big of an issue. But it is a different story compared to all the other shit going on.
-2
sharrrper20 hr ago
+6
Quarantined as a precaution. None are sick as of now. Quarantine is to stop them spreading anything if they do happen to get sick.
From the linked article:
>As of Tuesday, 12 May, the WHO has identified 11 cases, nine of them confirmed, and three deaths, all among passengers of the cruise.
Everyone calm down.
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TinyEmergencyCake19 hr ago
+6
Incubation period is quite lengthy
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sharrrper19 hr ago
+5
Incubation period =/= infectious period
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TheMailerDaemonLives14 hr ago
+3
Of course but there are a few issues here. One, you are self quarantining and 7 weeks go by and you start to feel unwell but just pass it off as a cold. Or you get a mild fever that you don’t notice and you go out when you aren’t suppose to.
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cubsgirl10113 hr ago
+1
That’s why everyone being notified as through contact tracing is being quarantined and monitored. As soon as you potentially become symptomatic, you’re in immediate reach of medical care. For example, the one flight attendant who began experiencing potential symptoms of the virus turned out to test negative but if she had been positive, she was already in quarantine and under medical care.
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IWasOnThe18thHole14 hr ago
+4
Just in time for the World Cup
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PermissionSoggy89115 hr ago
+3
I'm betting all this is intentional. You can't be making mistakes this stupid when we've already had a major pandemic less than a decade ago.
We already made a blunder by even entertaining the idea of allowing these infected zombies to disembark and spread their filthy illness worldwide.
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lemi691 day ago
+4
Can this be as bad as Covid?
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ay-oh-river1 day ago
+9
Covid-19 was a newly identified virus. We didn’t fully understand things like how it was transmitted at first. Hantavirus has been around for a long time - especially in certain regions. It’s not new, and so scientists and medical experts have experience in dealing with it. They have been saying repeatedly this is not something to be nervous about. The threat level is very low.
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TheTrueDeraj1 day ago
+15
From what I've read, this virus spreads through bodily fluids (saliva and mucousal secretions mainly) instead of just, you know, *breathing.*
So the usual precautions of washing your hands and not interacting too closely with people who are infected should be fine. At this point this is mostly gonna be spreading to doctors, but as long as quarantine procedures like this are followed, it should hopefully not balloon too far beyond hospitals.
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USPS_Nerd1 day ago
+37
lol… “just keep a safe distance and wash your hands, and this will all be ok”. I recall people suggesting that when COVID starting spreading, yet people brushed it off and still packed themselves into bars and clubs, and ignored even the most basic of institutions, because of course “it won’t happen to me”.
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TheTrueDeraj1 day ago
+5
I mean, it's an entirely fair attitude to adopt, especially when the common cold and flu spread pretty similarly.
There's absolutely the possibility that I'll be eating crow (or bat) in about ten months while the whole world goes into Lockdown 2, Hantavirus Boogaloo.
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TheMailerDaemonLives14 hr ago
+1
10 months? It’d be a whole lot sooner than that if it has an R0 of 2 like they think it could and it actually jumps to people outside the ship environment.
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Maki141122 hr ago
+7
On the basis of evidence from five reconstructed person-to-person transmission events, the route of infection in secondary cases was possibly through inhalation of droplets or aerosolized virions.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
“It is unclear how human-to-human transmission of ANDV occurs, but it appears that close contact with an infected person is necessary, and airborne transmission should be considered a possibility.”
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/andes-hantavirus-epidemiology-outbreaks-and-guidance
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RegularHeroForFun1 day ago
+4
Covid spreads through droplets as well, it just has higher infectivity and is more durable. This virus has the potential to mutate to a similar infectivity with a coin toss on whether you live or die to boot
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PermissionSoggy89115 hr ago
guaranteed the people from the cruise are spitting on as much stuff as possible to get it spread as much as they can before the fuckers croak and rot in Hell
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hugon21 day ago
+1
Oh this could be much worse....
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Relevant-Guarantee2512 hr ago
+1
the perfect illness to kill poor people, poor people have rat problems often and live in rat infested area's GG human to feces to rat to rat to rat to rat to people
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Opposite_Strategy37411 hr ago
+1
Found this interesting. The good news... the human to human transmission rate seems low and the study seems to show that you need contact with bodily fluids... but it also seems to day that asymptomatic spread is possible. ?
A 2007 prospective study in Chile investigated 476 household contacts of 76 Andes virus (ANDV) patients, finding that only 16 contacts (3.4%) developed Hantavirus Cardiopulmonary Syndrome (HCPS).
The study highlighted that transmission was highest among sexual partners, proving that human-to-human transmission of the Andes strain occurs but is relatively rare, with most infections stemming from rodent exposure.
Key Findings from the 476 Contact Study (Ferres et al.):
Transmission Mechanism: While 32.6% of total cases in the study occurred in household clusters, the risk was primarily concentrated among sexual partners of the index patient.
Low Secondary Rate: Of the 476 household contacts, only 16 (3.4%) developed the disease.
Viremia Timing: Researchers detected ANDV RNA in blood cells 5–15 days before symptom onset or antibody appearance, indicating the potential for pre-symptomatic transmission.
Significance: This study provided strong evidence of person-to-person transmission for the South American Andes hantavirus, distinguishing it from North American hantaviruses that do not typically spread between humans. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Contextual Data (Chile Hantavirus Research): Andes Virus (ANDV): The primary cause of severe hantavirus cases in Chile, carried by the Oligoryzomys longicaudatus (long-tailed pygmy rice rat).
Transmission Routes: Primarily through inhalation of aerosolized virus from rodent droppings, urine, or saliva in rural or forested areas.
Symptoms: Starts like the flu, developing into rapid lung failure, heart problems, and high fatality rates (approx. 30–40% in some outbreaks).
High Risk Factors: Close contact with infected persons, particularly sharing a bedroom or sexual contact. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The study specifically mentioned is: Prospective Evaluation of Household Contacts of Persons with Hantavirus Cardiopulmonary Syndrome in Chile (Published in Journal of Infectious Diseases, 2007). [1] VIRAL SHEDDING AND VIREMIA OF ANDV DURING ACUTE ... - PMC Jul 1, 2025 — Study design and participants Between 2008 and 2022, ANDV-infected cases were invited to participate in a prospective research study conducted in 10 collaborati... PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
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synapticdecay7 hr ago
+1
This what happens when we pull out of the WHO, gut the CDC, and shut down National Security Council’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense, NIH, and AHRQ. We rely one our frontline medics and guidance comes from all those agencies. Yeah we are winning alright
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likelywitch6 hr ago
+1
We, the Dutch?
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Aggressive-Will-450017 hr ago
+1
Since, I'm in the USA, and we no longer get reliable news, is the hantavirus outbreak worse than we're being told or is it just a few cruise ships?
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Areshian16 hr ago
+7
You are indeed not getting reliable news, as it is only one cruise ship, not a few
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PermissionSoggy89115 hr ago
+4
no US news source ever said it was multiple
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TronLegacysucks16 hr ago
+2
For now it’s only in one cruise, there’s no confirmed cases outside it, like from the flights some of the infected took, but we’ll only be sure by June because of the incubation period
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Blackfoxar1 day ago
-10
So it begins
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Mindless-Peak-16871 day ago
+10
nope.
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natedogjulian15 hr ago
F*** ya. Can’t wait for the reset
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RubArtistic468315 hr ago
No no no. This tired “fed-the-f***-up” nurse is NOT going through another pandemic. No im not doing it. And not because I don’t want to care for the people- I don’t want to deal with the corruption in healthcare politics where the CEOs taken bank and the healthcare workers, who risk their health and their families health, make nothing. F*** no. It wasn’t fun the first time. Can’t imagine it would be any better this time.
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TheMailerDaemonLives14 hr ago
+1
It would be significantly worse if it’s an actual pandemic, like Black Death level bad
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Kokophelli1 day ago
-27
They might start considering that the virus they thought they knew, has changed. Has it been sequenced yet?
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Anustart151 day ago
+17
What about this story suggests that the virus has changed?
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Kokophelli1 day ago
-20
The Andes virus was said to require close or prolonged contact. That’s not what is being observed
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MrTortilla1 day ago
+9
Kinda wondering if you even read the article?
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Styronna1 day ago
+7
I don’t know if they even read the title
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Anustart151 day ago
+14
These people are being quarantined as a precaution. None of them have been confirmed to be infected
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Galewing11 day ago
+8
Look, having lived in the Patagonia, this was standard procedure ever since 2018, any close contact with any hanta infection had to quarantine. Medics would quarantine as well until cleared by lab while people had to quarantine in their homes for 45 days which is how long it could take to show symptoms.
Nothing is indicating that the virus changed at all.
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Certain-Anxiety-67861 day ago
+10
What makes you say that?
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Kokophelli1 day ago
-6
People who had short contact just in the same room have been infected The medics infected as expected as they had prolonged, close contact. Time will tell
https://www.ms.now/news/hantavirus-outbreak-mv-hondius-cruise-ship-transmission-risk-public-health
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Struckmanr15 hr ago
-2
Buckle up guys hantavirus is coming to a neighborhood near you…
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DemetiaDonals15 hr ago
-6
The fact that 12 hospital workers got sick from one patient does not f****** bode well.
I worked at level one trauma center through the pandemic. I was heavily pregnant and immuno compromised and I didn’t get sick because of all the infection control procedures and the fact that we had PPE when a lot of other people didn’t.
I was more likely to catch Covid at target, I didn’t even get Covid till two years into the pandemic. I cannot work through another pandemic, I just can’t.
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TheMailerDaemonLives14 hr ago
+6
They didn’t get sick, they’re under observation. I don’t believe any have tested positive for Hanta yet
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cubsgirl10113 hr ago
+3
None of these workers are sick, read the article. They’ve been placed under quarantine and being monitored for symptoms as a close contact as a precautionary measure is all.
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DemetiaDonals12 hr ago
+2
This is what I deserve for not reading the article 😂
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