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News & Current Events Mar 28, 2026 at 7:56 PM

'A Critical Mass of U.S. Jews Is Now Disgusted With Israel'

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'A critical mass of U.S. Jews is now disgusted with Israel'
Haaretz
'A critical mass of U.S. Jews is now disgusted with Israel'
What Jewish Currents Editor Arielle Angel Has to Say About Israel Is Tough to Hear. But She Reflects a Growing anti-Zionist Movement Aiming to Dismantle the Jewish-American Establishment and Rebuild It Around a New Vision

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Billy_Birdy Mar 28, 2026 +2111
Good. This isn’t about religion anymore. This is about blatant corruption and war crimes.
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deathrowslave Mar 29, 2026 +491
This is the fact. I have half Jewish/half Catholic religious heritage. I've been to Israel and the Vatican. I have worked through what religion means to me. And it's why I'm atheist. [Edited to remove: The vast majority of] Many wars have been based on religion. The hatred of one people vs another based on religion. Judgement, good or evil, all based on religion. Committing atrocities in the name of religion. I denounce them all. Any nation state that identifies as being of a certain ethnicity or religion is not operating in good faith towards humanity. This applies to several nations that rule and govern based on religion and create laws regarding the same and even outright commit genocide because one group of people is identified as lesser by the State. I am proud of my Jewish cultural upbringing. We value education, family, and enjoying life. My family escaped Europe before WWI, so I am one of the lucky descendants to get to exist, as many of my extended family did not. I have no delusions about how Jewish people have been treated throughout history and even today. I witnessed its lasting effect on Jews and my family in the US and why they broadly supported Israel as a homeland. It was a place of identity, a place of refuge, and a place of acceptance for those that felt their sense of safety had been stripped after the Holocaust. There is deep trauma in the Jewish people. That is a fact. I personally attempted genealogy research of my family that is simply a dead end in Eastern Europe. Completely gone, families destroyed in flesh, documentation, all history, never to be found. Many ancient graveyards completely destroyed that had been there for centuries. They absolutely attempted to erase Jewish people. It was beyond simple antisemitism. However, none of this is a justification for genocide and war. The incessant need by Israel to prove itself, to kill, to force others into their wars, needs to cease. In no uncertain terms, my country, the United States, must stop supporting the offensive actions of the Israeli government and people that support it. Our tax money is being used to do evil. Our leaders are supporting this evil. Our politicians depend on it to survive themselves. My fellow Jews in the US need to increase our voices against the state of Israel and the US politicians that support their hateful agenda. We need to stop sending money and military arms to them. This is not a religious stance. It is a moral one.
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SinisterCroissant Mar 29, 2026 +166
There was a report I saw yesterday of a toddler, returned to his mother, who had been captured with his father in Gaza by the IDF. The little boy had cigarette burns on his body, and had had his nails removed. His father had “confessed” to being a member of Hamas. This isn’t about religion. Isn’t about anti-semitism. Isn’t about anything other than a country that has been co-opted by the darkest parts of the human heart. I fear America is starting down the same path - to that extent we need to see the Israeli government for what it is - corrupt, evil, “might-makes-right” and recognize that is the path to worst of humanity.
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deathrowslave Mar 29, 2026 +72
I saw the report and it's heartbreaking and enraging. And it's the same in the US where we have infants, toddlers, and children in immigration detention without access to healthcare as well as leaving thousands of US citizen children without their parents who have been abducted. It's appalling that we even need to ask/beg Congress to do something, let alone that they participate in it willfully.
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tallmattuk Mar 29, 2026 +1
Thank was torture plain and simple and the soldiers should be charged, but they wont
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Street_Anxiety2907 Mar 29, 2026 +9
A lot of senators are spending lots of time in these child detention centers. I think they found their new f*****, and it's not even as far as epsteins island.
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SadCranberry8838 Mar 29, 2026 +21
America doing 190 KM/H in sixth gear is far beyond "starting down the path".
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_-WanderLost-_ Mar 29, 2026 +12
Its zionism. This isn't happening without zionists wanting an ethnoatate and creating a genocidal apartheid state to achieve it.
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Joker-Nipples Mar 29, 2026 +104
I completely agree with you as a Jew on my dad's side and a German Christian on my mom's side. I always tell people that I am a Jew and not a Zionist. I'm tired of the actions of Israel being what people think of when they think of modern Jews.
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deathrowslave Mar 29, 2026 +71
My 80yo Jewish mother is against current Israeli actions. That says a lot more than people might think. The modern problems Israel has created are completely manufactured by their own madness.
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Chirotera Mar 29, 2026 +78
Israel is to blame for that. By coming out so hard labeling every criticism against them as anti-semitic they finally reached a point where the word has no more meaning. Unfortunately that has allowed actual anti-semitism to gain a foothold.
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Another_mikem Mar 29, 2026 +47
Worse, it’s allowed actual antisemites to influence the discussion because all nuances have been destroyed.  At least since the 90s, it’s either uncritical and unending support for government policy or accusations of antisemitism.  It’s created a space for the bad faith actors, where they should be completely excluded.  
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Bang_the_unknown Mar 29, 2026 +20
There’s anti-semites rampant throughout the Trump administration which tells me that they’re religious fanatics that want to bring about the end times.
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dorianvovin Mar 29, 2026 +1
This exactly.
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Chirotera Mar 29, 2026 +18
Well stated. It's utterly disgusting. All of this hatred solves nothing.
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Mr_P3anutbutter Mar 29, 2026 +1
As a pro-Palestine Arab American the fact that Tucker f****** Carlson has gotten such a foothold with some of my peers just because hes dressing up his antisemitism as being pro-Palestine makes me sick.
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_Haverford_ Mar 29, 2026 +26
*Thank you.* When Israel weakens the word, its original meaning gets a breath of fresh air. I'm an American Jew. I thought "never again" meant for everyone.
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Joker-Nipples Mar 29, 2026 +28
It's honestly really sad that my people, of all people, made the same mistake the Germans did.
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billbuild Mar 29, 2026 +11
Was it a mistake? This has been going on for 50 years. I have never understood what the people in the Middle East had to do with WWII.
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rpc56 Mar 29, 2026 +2
This right here! A Jew who can not tolerate criticism and reverts to calling the critic anti-Semitic is worthless.
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Spottedinthewild Mar 29, 2026 +12
We must always stand up, with our very lives if necessary, for minorities and the vulnerable everywhere.
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DANDELOREAN Mar 29, 2026 +8
Very concise and articulate, thank you.
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FlyingStealthPotato Mar 29, 2026 +61
Israel is like the cycle of abuse applied to geopolitics.
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Strummerpinx Mar 29, 2026 +42
Yes absolutely, what a great way of putting it. Israel is like an adult that was traumatized as a child and now reacts to every perceived threat with aggression and violence. Only now they're an adult and they are capable of wielding deadly violence indiscriminantly. It breaks my heart because I grew up around elderly Holocaust survivors. People learned different things from that tragedy and I never realized my view of it wasn't the prevailing one. When people said "Never Again" I always thought that meant "never again should such cruelty and inhumanity be done by human beings against other human beings." What I was horrified to find out was how many people turned out to actually believe "Never Again" just means "Never again.. to US." It's perfectly okay somehow if it's some other group of humans? It's so disturbing to discover that about people you love. Still, I understand I don't have their lived experiences. I feel like what some people learned from the war was that Jews can't trust non-Jews. They stopped believing we could all live together in tolerance and harmony when their neighbours turned on them. None of this excuses what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people and the Iranian people at all. They don't care about them as human beings at all. It is like their souls are dead. How can you not see the common humanity in another person, even a bad one? They truly believe that what was done to their ancestors was done because they didn't have a land of their own and that having Israel means there can never be another Holocaust. I think it is the opposite. Israel's actions have put the entire Jewish population of the world in danger. If there is a nuclear attack I think I know where it would take place. And half the Jewish population of the world lives there now which is very scary. They are making it more likely, not less that a huge group of Jews will be wiped out and they don't even realize. They have certainly made terrorist attacks against Jews outside Israel much more common. The Israeli government is making the world more dangerous for all of us and making people hate us. The whole Israeli overly-militarized attitude is "rise and strike first"-- because if you let people be they'll just come and kill you. The government fosters this whole paranoid ideology that the world outside the country is unsafe for Jews, meanwhile the reverse is true-- Jews are far more likely to meet violent ends in Israel. I have tried explaining the statistics and facts to people I know from Israel, but they don't believe it. They equate the uncomfortable feeling they get seeing student protesters at universities wearing keffiyeh and waving signs with danger and try to ban it. Meanwhile I find people walking around openly carrying guns like the IDF does at Israeli airports far more terrifying.
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newsflashjackass Mar 29, 2026 +7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
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BonJovicus Mar 29, 2026 +80
It never was. The conflict was always over nationalism and the land itself.  The only people who want you to think it was about religion are the people who want you to believe this started in 1948. 
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blackflag29 Mar 29, 2026 +21
People thinking this started in 1948 would be an absolutely massive improvement
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Mr_P3anutbutter Mar 29, 2026 +1
You mean to tell me all history didn’t begin on October 7?
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DeffJohnWilkesBooth Mar 29, 2026 +56
I told my mom in 2007 I’d skip birth right cause i didn’t want “a propaganda trip through an apartheid state”
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mowotlarx Mar 29, 2026 +12
And the gleeful way they do it. Pure evil behavior and they relish in it. It's a shanda.
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azry1997 Mar 29, 2026 +6
Most if not all the founders of jewish zionism that made Israel today are atheist/agnostics
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MentalDisintegrat1on Mar 29, 2026 +19
Before Zionism had a shifty meaning but now it's crystal clear. Zionism is modern day Nazism.
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Impressive_Sale6776 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Anymore ? It never was.
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KnotSoSalty Mar 28, 2026 +740
It’s not anti-Semitic to think Netanyahu belongs in jail.
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Schiffy94 Mar 28, 2026 +253
*Netanyahu* knows that Netanyahu belongs in jail. Hence why he's tried to take over the court system.
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CharlieKirkFanboy Mar 29, 2026 +198
Netanyahu is the sin eater. The rot runs deeper. The entire country is run by and for far right genocidal psychopaths.
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KittenHasWares Mar 29, 2026 +142
Yeah it's hilarious that people think once netanyahu is gone this will suddenly solve itself, his governments full of people who want greater israel, the israeli jewish public has an approval rating of the iran war as 78%. 78% is f****** insane for war approval. That's not even getting into the settler issue where they regularly murder palestinians and steal their land, the public that marched in protest at the arrest of the israeli soldiers that gang raped a Palestinian man, and those same soldiers getting off scot free in the israeli justice system. When are liberals going to wake up and realize the state of israel has been built to be a genocidal expansionist war machine built on US funding.
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Diligent-Layer9640 Mar 29, 2026 +9
I’ve been thinking a lot about what the Israeli government is doing and this quote from Nietzsche: “When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you,”
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KnotSoSalty Mar 29, 2026 +5
Fair, but it would be a start. And frankly it’s the only way to start to move forward. Even if he’s not in charge, if Bibi is allowed to hang out as a retiree and honored former PM then nothing can change.
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VeteranSergeant Mar 29, 2026 +101
Don't be fooled. Israel hasn't had a "moderate" Prime Minister since 2001, and 83% of the votes in the last Israeli Knesset election went to far-right candidates who are pro-settlement, pro-apartheid, and pro-war. Just go read statements from Naftali Bennett or Yair Lapid about Gaza or the wars in Lebanon and Iran. That's the opposition. It's not a battle of left vs right in Israeli politics. It's far-right vs... other far right. 8% of Israeli Jews voted for "moderate" candidates in the last election (the other 9% were the Arab Muslim/Christian voters). When Netanyahu is gone, Israelis will pick someone *exactly like Benjamin Netanyahu* and then in a decade or so when they think they can get away with it, Netanyahu will get a holiday and be celebrated the same way they did with Yitzhak Shamir, the former terrorists-turned-Prime Minister who was responsible for the formation of Hezbollah due to his brutality during the Israeli occupation, and responsible for provoking the First Intifada.
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Not-your-lawyer- Mar 29, 2026 +37
"Former terrorist turned prime minister" is putting it kindly. Look up why he left his first paramilitary and founded his second.
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Unhappy_Meaning607 Mar 29, 2026 +28
> Avraham Stern and Shamir sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and ***Nazi Germany*** and formed the breakaway militia group Lehi. what.
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Strummerpinx Mar 29, 2026 +27
Netanyahu was involved inciting his followers to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. He's done things to take other legitimate opposition candidates out of the equation, (through corruption charges, etc.). He has been in power for nearly 30 years now. He's like Putin in Russia now. Young people don't even remember a time before him. They just see him as someone who has always been in power and always will.
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airinato Mar 29, 2026 +16
Depends on who is paying the 'volunteer' moderators.  Say anything bad about Israel and see how long it takes to get banned from a sub.
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billbuild Mar 29, 2026 +12
Sub? Try universities and professors with tenures.
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Hidden_Land_Mine_183 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Yep. Not to mention every major sub following in line and deleting almost every israel thread a few hours after it's submitted. They wait until the mass of comments and such happen, then quietly delete it. There's also site-wide word filters that auto-ban anyone who mentions israel and other words, like comparing them to a famous fascist state in the mid 40's.
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RecordEnvironmental4 Mar 29, 2026 +4
Regardless of any Gaza related stuff the guy belongs in jail
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Iluvaic Mar 29, 2026 +1
Most Israelis think so.
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Kind-Ad-6099 Mar 29, 2026 +1
He destroyed what many Zionists believed in, much like how Trump has destroyed much of the America I believed in
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geni_eC Mar 28, 2026 +938
Non far-right Israelis are in the same position we are in the US. They have been protesting against Netanyahu in greater numbers and more consistently than Americans, but like us, their government structure was not built to handle extremism and Netanyahu has the undying support of enough people and parties to make defeating likud very difficult.
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NJTigers Mar 28, 2026 +506
The poll numbers for the genocide in Gaza and the attacks on Iran would disagree with your assessment that non far-right Israelis oppose what is happening. Unless 70%+ of Israel is far-right.
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TheForceWithin Mar 28, 2026 +426
> Unless 70%+ of Israel is far-right. Well...
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Reversion603 Mar 28, 2026 +235
Exactly, they are. That's why they're able to go into Lebanon to grab more land and kill/harass Palestinians in the West Bank and take their land. The country is overrun with crazy people.
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billbuild Mar 29, 2026 +25
They call it mowing the lawn.
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Fit_Elderberry_7236 Mar 29, 2026 +1
It's amazing how long that term been out there but everyone just repeated Israel was the good guy despite them saying things like that. Propaganda went hard.
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DystopianRealist Mar 28, 2026 +66
A lot of those recent settlers are American transplants. They’re bringing in extremists to increase control.
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Sminahin Mar 29, 2026 +18
Which is extra offensive because I'm pretty sure many are bringing their kids in. Meaning there are American kids being used as child soldiers and human shields in the world's largest terrorist army. Like wtf how is that okay--you read about things like this happening in the Congo and war-torn countries, but those are f****** *American* kids being used like this. This is the exact same as running away to join ISIS and bringing your kids. Those parents should never see their kids again.
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Kahzgul Mar 29, 2026 +8
And those poor kids are being raised in the settlements, told that inhuman terrorists exist just outside the walls and will kill them on sight. And so these kids believe Palestinians are monsters and grow up to be more extreme than their parents. We have videos of them murdering Palestinians with their bare hands now. So, too, in Palestine. Not as organized as in the settlements. Not as blatant. But the hatred a wall creates occurs on both sides of the wall.
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keepthepace Mar 28, 2026 +90
Just regular genocide-supporting centrists
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maddsskills Mar 29, 2026 +31
I literally saw an Israeli woman describe herself as a centrist right before saying everyone in Gaza should be killed. It was wild.
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dmun Mar 29, 2026 +32
... that sounds pretty accurate to the USA. Just don't call it genocide and the centrists are totally on board
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Legal_Range8446 Mar 29, 2026 +28
Yes. They’re as radicalized as nazi germany. About half have no issue at all killing every man woman and child in Gaza. Degenerate culture over there
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TheFutureMrsBusey Mar 28, 2026 +84
Correct. 70+% of the apartheid ethnostate is far-right
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ikk_ah Mar 29, 2026 +18
Existence of settler violence and support they get from IDF should tell you something about extremist people stats in Israel
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Revoran Mar 29, 2026 +14
>Unless 70% of Israel is far right Unfortunately yes, they are. Like, from the beginning Israel was always an ethno-nationalist, colonialist project to some degree. However there was always some degree of Liberals and leftist Israelis to balance it out at least a little. **BUT** in the past few decades the political culture there has continued to deteriorate and turn further and further right. In the US, 20% of people are MAGA nutcases but they have an over-size influence due to the bad voting system and very low overall voter turnout. In Israel it seems like 50% of the country are their equivalent of MAGA. And a further 20% or so are still fairly right wing, ethno-nationalist and militaristic. Noting that Israel's Parliament uses proportional representation. And even the Labour Party Israeli President (supposedly centre left) was promoting genocide.
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big_stipd_idiot Mar 29, 2026 +9
I have a good Israeli friend who is very much left wing and he think it's antisemitic to call the gaza genocide a genocide. He also supported the last strikes on Iran. I haven't talked to him about this new war yet, but I suspect he supports it too. And those conversations come with all the usual talking points and history lessons to justify it. It's not just the right wing. Also, I doubt it's all of them supporting it, but I was very surprised and disappointed at where some of the support is coming from.
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myshtree Mar 29, 2026 +1
How is your friend left wing exactly?
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Weltenkind Mar 29, 2026 +14
Oh buddy, I have some bad news on those extremists views. Huge majority supports war against Iran and genociding the Palestinians. All three major groups, while having varying and sometimes opposing views of what Israel should be, agree on the idea that they need to protect the state by being aggressive towards its neighbours. 
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Otherwise_Soil_7008 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Yes 70% of Israel is far right if not more
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drdildamesh Mar 28, 2026 +5
Yeah! And according to over 90% of Russian voters, Putin is doing a great job!
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Contagious_Zombie Mar 28, 2026 +137
Netanyahu isn’t the problem, he’s a symptom. There are equally as terrible of people throughout the Israeli government and I would argue that the existence of an ethnostate is anti human and racist.
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Any_Put3520 Mar 28, 2026 +67
His main opposition is led by Yair Lapid who has essentially the same views on Palestine, settlements, and the Israeli actions in the entire region.
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ratbaby86 Mar 28, 2026 +33
And, Netanyahu's right flank has leveraged Oct 7th to pull the whole country rightward. Smotrich and Bin-Gvir think Netanyahu is a wuss and hasnt gone far enough in seizing land and killing Muslims.
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bungopony Mar 29, 2026 +22
Plus there’s a non-zero chance those extremists in the Israeli government set up the circumstances for Hamas to get stronger and stage an attack precisely for this reason. lol yo what Smotrich said about them: “The PA is a burden; Hamas is an asset”
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_SasquatchPatrol Mar 28, 2026 +11
As evil as Netanyahu is your right he is a moderate zionist in israel
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Swankyyyy Mar 28, 2026 +23
There’s also a distinction that needs to be made: many Israelis don’t like Netanyahu on account of his corruption charges and the judicial overhauls, but a vast majority don’t mind the genocide and ethnic cleansing he’s carrying out against against Palestinians and the Lebanese. Support for these crimes are polling sky high.
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spleeble Mar 29, 2026 +5
Just look at election returns. The Israeli left got 10% of the vote in 2022, 27% if you count Yesh Atid. That's it. And that's *before* Oct 7th pushed everything to the right.  I don't think you can call it extremism when 90% of the electorate is pretty much on board. 
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VeteranSergeant Mar 29, 2026 +4
> Non far-right Israelis All 8% of them that voted in the last election? Netanyahu's bloc, and the far-right bloc that *also* is pro-war and pro-settler and pro-apartheid, split 83% of the votes. The remaining 9% were the Arabs.
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DramaticSweet3412 Mar 28, 2026 +16
This is a lie. You think they would be but they're not. They liberal Israelis aren't anything like you imagine. You're making this shit up based on how you think they should be, not how they actually are.
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dvdwbb Mar 29, 2026 +4
All this talk of Jews protesting netanyahu is nonsense because their "left" opposition is also talking about achieving greater Israel
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FabergeEggnog Mar 29, 2026 +67
Hell I'm an Israeli Jew and I'm disgusted with Israel. Netanyahu turned this place into a cesspool of horrors. It makes me sick.
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DrSocks128 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Is there much growing resistance to his government over there? It's hard to know what's going on in normal day to day Israel since media is always pushing some sort of agenda rather than just real facts
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Nynydancer Mar 28, 2026 +94
I met a lovely Jewish guy today at No Kings. His mom survived Auschwitz. It was good to hear his perspective. His mother, before she died, saw the slippery slope we were on.
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kakarot-3 Mar 29, 2026 +9
I’m glad to hear that. Most holocaust survivors support Palestine and don’t support what Israel is doing. In fact many Israelis don’t like holocaust survivors anyways
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accountabilitycounts Mar 28, 2026 +302
Just another reminder that criticizing Israel is not inherently anti-semitic. 
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accounsfw Mar 28, 2026 +62
It is indeed possible to criticize the state without being antisemitic, I myself do so by focusing my ire on the leadership. Unfortunately, in practice, a lot of criticism of Israel involves platforming antisemitic rhetoric… which only serves to further empower Netanyahu’s influence.
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ItsGonnaBeOkayish Mar 29, 2026 +1
Yes, I've seen horrible antisemitism from people against Israel and genocide. That doesn't mean that being against Israel and genocide is antisemitic in itself. But that unfortunately some people do start to combine the two, from both vantage points
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BonJovicus Mar 29, 2026 +14
>Unfortunately, in practice, a lot of criticism of Israel involves platforming antisemitic rhetoric I would still emphasize here that MOST criticisms of Israel or Zionism are not anti-semitic in nature. Even on the Right wing of American politics not everyone is Candace Owens. Plenty of Conservatives oppose Israel and its goals on the basis that allowing it to destabilize the Middle East and commit genocide doesn’t help America’s interests. 
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YippeKiYote Mar 28, 2026 +92
Every week at Temple we pray for Palestinians and for peace.
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Potential-Fan-6148 Mar 28, 2026 +127
Yeah no one in my Shul likes Bibi and we all think he’s ruining Israel. Israel always was at war with itself between its more civilized side and these fascist bastards. It seems the fascists have won lately.
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Dtron81 Mar 28, 2026 +95
>Israel always was at war with itself between its more civilized side and these fascist bastards. It seems the fascists have won lately. 78% of Israeli jews supported continuing the war. They didn't just win at this point.
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DangerouslyOxidated Mar 29, 2026 +1
> we all think he’s ruining Israel Was it good, at some point?
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jomo_mojo_ Mar 28, 2026 +49
It seems?? I’d ask a Palestinian or a journalist but can’t seem to find any.
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WintertimeMadness Mar 28, 2026 +11
Blaming everything on bibi is like blaming everything on Trump. Yes they both suck, but don’t minimize it to just it neither them. America’s collective political beliefs are backwards and Israel’s are even worse.
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jsebrech Mar 29, 2026 +1
I really don’t like when people who are not supporters of Netanyahu call him Bibi. It makes him sound harmless and charming, while in reality he’s a monster.
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livy-aurelia Mar 28, 2026 +36
israel was founded by ethnonationalist death squads so i’m not sure why you’re surprised.
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EMTDawg Mar 28, 2026 +37
Israel has been enthic cleansing the Palestinians since the colonial charter in 1917. The Nakba in 1948 killed up to a million Palestinians and displaced even more.
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BrilliantTaste1800 Mar 28, 2026 +25
Yeah I'm not buying the lately part. I saw a documentary about Tel Aviv well over a decade ago and I've never seen such vile, hateful, racist people before or since.
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CharacterPrinciple19 Mar 28, 2026 +370
This is reassuring. Most Jewish people I meet are anti-zionist but I live in a very blue area so i wasn't sure if that was reflective of the national level.
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RelevantNothing2692 Mar 28, 2026 +137
Most anti-Zionist Jewish folk I know in America are Americans and not Israeli.
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FusciaHatBobble Mar 28, 2026 +14
Seems like a selection bias to me. You wouldnt go through all the trouble of working for Israeli citizenship or serving in the IDF if you weren't a zionist.
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RelevantNothing2692 Mar 28, 2026 +16
Good thing the article is about U.S Jews and not tourists then, eh?
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hossaepi Mar 28, 2026 +6
What does Zionist mean?
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Financial_Cup_6937 Mar 29, 2026 +12
Different things to different people. To many, merely Israel has a right to exist and should. To many, it means defending Israel’s atrocities against and/or wiping out Palestine. Which is why it’s a shit epithet people I agree with insist on using despite it harming the righteous cause of condemning Israel’s behavior.
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Altruistic_Fun9344 Mar 29, 2026 +7
Zionism means support for the idea that Jewish people should have a nation state homeland and have self determination. It also inherently means support for the genocide, apartheid over, and displacement of Palestinians. This is because it's baked into the settler-colonialism Israel was founded alongside, and Israel has never strayed from that in 77 years of existence. There's no reason to think that Israel will ever be anything beside a fascist, colonial society bent on extermination and subjugation. Having a nation state that requires a single ethnicity in a multiethnic society to have political self-determination will always require the subjugation of the other ethnicities. The racism, ethnosupremacism, and policy flow from that unchangeable fact. The first sentence is the answer you were looking for, yea? But people don't like to acknowledge the inseparability of Zionism from genocide and fascism.
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nocyberBS Mar 29, 2026 +4
Yep. People complain and cry when Zionism is compared to Nazism, but this very aspect of "nationalistic belief to the right to own land belonging to indigenous people based on religious/genetic superiority" being the very basis of this movement is what makes it so. And everything else that comes with it.
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Bruce-7892 Mar 28, 2026 +146
I don't give a F about any religion, but from a practical standpoint, can we stop giving these people billions of OUR dollars a year? Israelis, not Jews I am talking about.
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FCCRFP Mar 28, 2026 +80
I like that idea and while we are at it can we save money by nationalizing healthcare?
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GaimeGuy Mar 28, 2026 +9
How about we put all the most expensive 35% of health care customers in their own pool and leave the other 65% to da mawket? That seems optimal for risk and costs /s
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EolasDK Mar 28, 2026 +13
4 billion a year agreed upon for an Egyptian and Israeli peace treaty that has held since the 70s. All that money gets spent in the US btw.
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CharlieKirkFanboy Mar 29, 2026 +6
Time to end it.
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MartinBP Mar 28, 2026 +5
Wouldn't be an issue if you agreed to also cut all the military and development aid given to the rest of the counties there. Egypt gets almost as much, while Israel has already committed to completely phasing out American assistance because it's suffocating their domestic arms industry.
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613codyrex Mar 29, 2026 +8
Egypt gets that money and a western backed and installed military dictatorship *because* of Israel. It’s functionally a bribe and a thinly veiled threat to Egypt that they better follow Israel when commanded to. It’s not done as an altruistic motive. And Israel could very easily reject the free money they are getting from the US or just pocket it directly. It’s not like congress would care either way. This framing by hiding the context is really low, even for a Mossad-bot.
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jpk195 Mar 28, 2026 +47
Being against the actions of the current Israel government and believing Israel shouldn’t exist are different things. You know that right?
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Sminahin Mar 28, 2026 +16
Not necessarily. Imo too much of the "right to exist" conversation comes at it from the completely wrong end. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany both lost the right to exist--at least in those incarnations. I would say we're at or near that point for Israel. Nobody gets to pull shit like this and keep on goose stepping uninterrupted.
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jpk195 Mar 28, 2026 +43
Japan still exists. Germany still exists.
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Sminahin Mar 28, 2026 +38
And yet their governments were broken and the countries were fundamentally remade. Japan still exists. Imperial Japan does not. My family's lands were confiscated, most of our influence lost. And we had that coming for sheer bad behavior. Imo we need to be including comparisons like this in conversations about Israel. Because the lazy "do you not believe Israel has a right to exist" binary is a rhetorical gimmick to avoid talking about things like this.
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bjnono001 Mar 28, 2026 +14
Hirohito literally stayed emperor after the war. To this day Japan still does not recognize the atrocities it caused during WWII.
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Sminahin Mar 28, 2026 +23
>To this day Japan still does not recognize the atrocities it caused during WWII. I'm fully aware. Why do you think my family is here and not there? But are we really going to pretend that Japan's government & power structure wasn't completely remade after WW2? Like really? I didn't count on having to defend that point lol. Like...if someone asked me how I could prove water was wet, I'm not sure how to respond.
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Impossible-Fig-8463 Mar 29, 2026 +13
You’re not crazy sir. The guy you’re responding to is willfully ignoring the changes of pre war and post war Japan
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jpk195 Mar 28, 2026 +17
So what you are saying is that people who are “anti-Zionist” just want to reform the Israeli government, and not remove the country from the map, as has been the goal of multiple movements and governments in the Middle East since Israel was founded? That strikes me as pretty naive.
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Federal_Thanks7596 Mar 28, 2026 +14
Pretty much. Abolish the Zionist state just like Nazi Germany was. Either force Israel to leave all occupied territories or force them into giving Palestinians citizenship and equal rights (including the Right of Return).
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jpk195 Mar 28, 2026 +5
Yeah, I hate it but at least you are honest about it.
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Federal_Thanks7596 Mar 28, 2026 +14
What do you hate about it? Palestinians being treated as equal human beings? Or Israel being forced to follow the international law? Horror.
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-Gramsci- Mar 28, 2026 +2
It’s naive to think that the sadists in power can be removed? That would be bad news for Israel.
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shebaiscool Mar 28, 2026 +8
Out of curiosity, before during and after WW2, which countries and groups had, as part of their national platform, founding charter or essential political platform piece that Germany (not Nazi Germany) or Japan should be destroyed?
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Sminahin Mar 28, 2026 +24
It's mostly reflective of age, from what I'm finding. Obviously that's just a generalization, but most of my under-40 Jewish friends use phrases like "Adolf Netanyahu" and call Israel a terrorist state or Nazi state. Whereas a huge percentage of over 50s seem convinced any criticism of Israel means you're a Hamas sleeper agent going after Jewish Americans next.
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MartinBP Mar 28, 2026 +12
It seems you're just around crazy people because neither of those takes are healthy discourse.
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Auzziesurferyo Mar 28, 2026 +8
>Whereas a huge percentage of over 50s seem convinced any criticism of Israel means you're a Hamas sleeper agent going after Jewish Americans next. Disagree.  I am in the age group you are referring to and many Americans my age are realizing we have been lied to and that the Israeli government is the problem.  Remember that before the internet was widespread, our only access was American media. The truth is much easier to find, for now at least. The only groups in my age group that I have come across that disagree are Christian zionist religious sects who's cannon is, "Israel is the chosen land and America will save Israel immediately before the second comming," and any criticism of Israel is therefore criticism of their God.
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GaimeGuy Mar 28, 2026 +40
Just FYI, to us Jews, zionism means a safe haven for jews from persecution.   It does not mean militant colonialism or establishment of an empire.    I don't know why the zionist codeword as a derogatory term became mainstream, but try to keep in mind that there are conflicting definitions when you engage in discussions.    I've had some unsettling conversations where I've had to probe the language used to determine  if I was dealing with a white supremacist or just someone against Israel's conduct. There's also the issue of seemingly reasonable people saying they don't think israel should exist, but don't have this view about any other nation on earth, which raises eyebrows. Keep fighting the good fight 
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maddsskills Mar 29, 2026 +9
Here’s the thing though: you can’t have Israel without colonialism and ethnic cleansing. If they gave Palestinians the right of return, something they’re entitled to as indigenous people, then Jewish Israelis would be outnumbered. Hell, if Israel absorbed just the Palestinian Territories they’d be close to outnumbered (double check my math, but I think that’s correct.) Basically the two state solution is the least they could do and they’ve resisted it at every step. Even Rabin, who was assassinated for this stance, argued the Palestinians would have autonomy but not sovereignty. And camp David was “sovereignty” but no autonomy. Basically: I want the Jewish people to have a safe haven but like…where are they gonna do that without being colonizers?
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IdiAmini Mar 29, 2026 +1
>Just FYI, to us Jews, zionism means a safe haven for jews from persecution.   It does not mean militant colonialism or establishment of an empire Guess you are in disagreement with the actual founder of Zionism. Strange.........
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andrew5500 Mar 28, 2026 +21
It’s only become harder to differentiate between people with genuine criticisms of Zionism and people who use it as a dog whistle to mean “Judaism” in general. Part of that is because of people like Netanyahu and militant Zionists purposefully conflating the two, accusing anyone opposed to Zionism of being inherently antisemitic. I prefer Einstein’s vision of Zionism, always striving for general peace and cooperation between Jews and Arabs rather than conflict, always wary of the ultranationalists/fascists (like current Israeli leadership) that would damage the reputation of Zionism and Judaism as a whole with their hostility towards Palestinians and establishment of a militarized Jewish nation state. His criticisms of what would eventually turn into Likud were very prescient. The line is certainly very blurry.
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pastafariantimatter Mar 28, 2026 +24
"zionism means a safe haven for jews from persecution"  A couple of questions:  1. Why do so many American and Russian Jews deserve a safe haven in the West Bank, at the expense of those who have lived there for generations? 2. Don't all people deserve this, including Palestinians? Why isn't there a word for that?
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Money-Ad3609 Mar 28, 2026 +32
That’s a nice story, but the reality is that Zionism is a settler colonial project and always has been. Zionism refers to a belief in a Jewish state in historical Palestine, and if you look at the writings of early Zionists, it is clear that it’s been a settler colonial project since the start, and was predicated upon the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population. Even before Israel was founded, early Zionists openly admitted that in order to build a Jewish state in Palestine, the indigenous population would need to be forcibly removed from the territory (see Theodor Berzl and David Ben Gurion). They recognised it was impossible to achieve the Zionist goal of creating a Jewish state in historical Palestine, where the indigenous population was by and large, non-Jewish. And I point this out to make the point that it is impossible to separate Zionism from colonialism, and all the crimes that followed - apartheid, home demolitions, the Nakba, detention without trial, illegal settlements, ethnic cleansing and most recently, genocide. Zionism as a political project is and has always been dependent upon the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population, and all the crimes that have went hand in hand with that. Without ethnic cleansing, there would be no Jewish state with a majority Jewish population and Jewish identity, in historical Palestine. ETA that not all Jews share your view of Zionism either; plenty, like the author of this piece no doubt and others, understand the reality of what the term actually means.
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FuzzyAd9407 Mar 28, 2026 +7
>It does not mean militant colonialism or establishment of an empire. I don't know why the zionist codeword as a derogatory term became mainstream. It came from how right wing Isrealies and more importantly the Isreali government has used the term. 
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hopefulrealist23 Mar 28, 2026 +7
I am Jewish as well and feel similarly about the word Zionism. I wish more people had knowledge about the origins of the word. At one time and for many years, the term Zionism simply referred to the belief in the Jewish people's right to self-determination. A Zionist was someone who believed in the right of existence of a Jewish state. These days, the term has evolved to mean someone who believes in the expansion of settlements and the genocide of the Palestinian people. Unfortunately I think that the Israeli far-right party - literally called the Religious Zionist Party - is at least partly responsible for this shift in definition. People have come to associate Zionism with the political motivations of this particular political party.
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_SasquatchPatrol Mar 29, 2026 +3
Maybe trump could offer them New Jersey as an alternative to the historic land of Palestine.
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ATLfalcons27 Mar 28, 2026 +9
It's interesting because I obviously know that I can't use my own experience as fact here but every single Jewish person I know has morphed into single issue pro Israel person over the last few years
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SilverwingedOther Mar 29, 2026 +5
Most Jews are Zionist but ALSO disagree with Israel's overreaches lately. It can be both things, but good luck having anyone believe that on Listnook. You included, I imagine.
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brattysweat Mar 29, 2026 +29
There will be scholars in the future baffled at the level of coordinated corruption between white supremacy and Israel. And the only answer to that will simply be Money.
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SableArgyle Mar 29, 2026 +11
Money and bringing about the christian apocalypse. They're f****** insane.
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ZeusMike7 Mar 29, 2026 +12
Am I the only person who is questioning why no comments on this post have any likes whatsoever but a ton of comments have awards…..
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AffectionateElk3978 Mar 29, 2026 +14
A critical mass of the world's population is pretty disgusted with Israel
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Snakend Mar 29, 2026 +26
Oh is it now not anti-semetic to be critical of Israel for committing genocide? Now that all of Gaza is gone...now it's okay? I got banned from a bunch of subs because I was critical of the genocide in October 2023. Glad you all finally came your senses.
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silencerider Mar 29, 2026 +1
Watching people defend the genocide in real time back then was a real mind-f***.
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Fit_Elderberry_7236 Mar 29, 2026 +1
I think the combo of Trump and this broke something inside of me.
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Fit_Elderberry_7236 Mar 29, 2026 +1
One day everyone will have always been against this.
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kwagmire9764 Mar 29, 2026 +6
It dont matter,  way more Christian evangelicals support Israel than Jews.  
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grilledcheesy11 Mar 29, 2026 +11
Besides michael rappaport where are these US jews that are supportive of Bibi and his gross far right coalition? Not this US jew, none of the ones I know.
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CameStainedRag Mar 29, 2026 +7
Now that Gaza has been *fully* annihilated? Geez, welcome to the party, I guess
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fxkatt Mar 28, 2026 +43
>*"If we hope to weaken Zionism within Jewish communities, we will need to develop a substantial vision for contemporary Judaism; we will need to meet those who want an exit from the rot with something beautiful and real," she wrote. "We cannot ask them to jump and decline to catch them."* A lot of work, and a lot of organizing to bring this about.
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jayfeather31 Mar 28, 2026 +38
This is honestly a good sign, and one I hope the Democratic Party bothers to read.
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StabbingHoboReturns Mar 28, 2026 +31
They'll just continue to rake in the AIPAC "donations". 
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_bits_and_bytes Mar 28, 2026 +22
Some are starting to switch to J Street now that AIPAC is becoming a dirty word.
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psly4mne Mar 28, 2026 +13
Same shit, different packaging
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kawhi21 Mar 29, 2026 +2
They don't care about Jewish people lol. They care about campaign donations minus a handful of progressives
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Dreams-Visions Mar 29, 2026 +14
Too late. Too late for the people of Gaza who needed them to speak the f*** up years ago. Too late for the students who got expelled and employees fired for advocating for humanitaian relief and human treatment of the people of Palestine. Who spoke up when it was actually hard to do so. Who were always right, just too early. Too late for the people in the West Bank getting their communities blitzed by settlers. Too late for all the reporters cut down trying to make the world aware of what's happening. Too late for the thousands of children robbed of their parents, limbs, their lives. But not too late to help apply pressure to stop Israel from taking what remains, to demand an end to aparthied. To slow more damage from happening.
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Farabee Mar 29, 2026 +5
Being critical of a government isn't anti-Semitism. Especially when it's a murderous psychopath like Bibi.
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xXTheGrapenatorXx Mar 29, 2026 +3
Good! We all should be but it's very powerful message to have the very people the Israeli government has self-appointed to protect telling it to f*** right off because by no means do they want that, really does disservice to the narrative that was hoped for.
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SuckMyRedditorD Mar 29, 2026 +3
What the f*** took them so long? Public scorn? Because the genocide of a whole nation didn't seem to move them a f****** inch.
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UndoxxableOhioan Mar 29, 2026 +1
I’ll believe it when AIPAC loses funding
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mellofello808 Mar 29, 2026 +6
My entire Jewish side of the family can be included in this mass.
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ProfessorVolga Mar 29, 2026 +7
Hopefully Americans will finally start getting the clue that Jews are not Israel. Israel is merely an (apartheid) country on the other side of the world, despite 75 years of intense propaganda trying to conflate the two for political and military purposes.
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ophaus Mar 29, 2026 +11
I have worked with so many Israelis in my life, and almost all of them want peace. The ones that didn't want peace were the kids of rich people and never had to serve in the IDF.
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jpastrychef Mar 29, 2026 +13
This is me and I'm also sick of listening to other Jews claim that anything negative said about Israel is antisemitism.
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WorkersThesis Mar 28, 2026 +46
they don't need israel when the great divorce finally happens, the world will become a safer place for all of us in the short history of israel, more jews have lived in the us than in israel. no one has ever shot a rocket at a jewish person in the us. the idea that every ethnic group has magical divine land rights to specific regions is absurdist justification for forever war and if you think 'not every ethnic group, only jews' then you are a supremacist.
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DragonPup Mar 28, 2026 +28
> no one has ever shot a rocket at a jewish person in the us. They have sure shot guns at them however.
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WorkersThesis Mar 28, 2026 +13
israel has not made jews safe -- it has got them killed. jewish supremacy drives jewish hate. repeatedly killing children on a national stage ensures that jews will be less safe for generations to come. if you want to have a conversation about this you have to separate yourself from the indoctrination. people are people -- we are all separated from our ancestors homelands. i have no legal right or justification for land in scotland. it would be absurd to assume that i did. and very few people can claim direct lineage placing their ancestors in precise regions. every human breathing today is a mutt -- there is no supreme or chosen people. god is not real. land rights have nothing to do with genetic purity. there is no such thing as genetic purity.
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iknowyouright Mar 28, 2026 +11
Israel saved my Moroccan family from being lynched by their neighbors. Israel saved Jews fleeing the Holocaust. Israel saved 800k Jews from violence as they fled the rest of the Middle East.
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numba1cyberwarrior Mar 29, 2026 +8
>no one has ever shot a rocket at a jewish person in the us. No, they just denied Holocaust survivors to a horrific death as they begged to get into the country. Israel exists so Jews don't have to beg others to save themselves from slaughter
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pghtopas Mar 28, 2026 +14
Remember when American Jews begged FDR to bomb the railroad tracks to the camps and he said no? Remember when all Arab nations attacked Israel at its founding and the US wouldn’t arm Israel? Remember when Israel became integral to the Cold War the US was waging against the USSR? Jews cannot count on the US to protect them here or in Israel. See Tree of Life and Temple Israel for recent examples.
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WorkersThesis Mar 28, 2026 +6
agreed. i wish the jewish state would stop relying on us entirely. but again, if a jew doesn't want a rocket shot at them, the us, not israel - is where they want to be. a small ethno state of 10 million that is ideologically opposed to their billions of neighbors is a winning strategy for defense contractors. it is not a path to peace or human flourishing.
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joomachina0 Mar 29, 2026 +5
I’m disgusted with Netanyahu.
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MylastAccountBroke Mar 29, 2026 +7
All americans should be disgusted with Israel. They're a leech sucking the lifeblood out of america all because they're one of the biggest doner to so many major US politicians. Israel being a Theostate is a bullshit misdirect to distract from the fact that their a modern-day warmongering colonizer that wants nothing more than to take the land from their neighbors.
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maddsskills Mar 29, 2026 +4
I’m not surprised. When I go to Temple for the most holy days of the year it’s all about remembering a history of oppression and making sure that doesn’t happen to anyone else ever again. American Jews, for the most part, are so progressive about 99% of things and I think it’s only a matter of time before most of them come around about Israel.
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rgg40 Mar 29, 2026 +5
What took so long?
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bearheart Mar 29, 2026 +5
Most of us have always been disgusted by Netanyahu. And most of us draw a distinction between him and “Israel”. But the necessary nuances are lost on most non-Jews. And since we are such a small minority in the world (<0.2% of the world population), that’s just about everyone.
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Mithlorin Mar 28, 2026 +14
I don’t see it in my circles. Even my liberal Jewish friends are hesitant to admit that Israel is an apartheid state.
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nomcormz Mar 29, 2026 +8
Maybe stop purity testing your Jewish friends? Most, if not all of us, want Netanyahu gone and peace in the Middle East. Western leftists trying to equate this to the South African apartheid is irrelevant and doesn't help anyone.
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PTLTYJWLYSMGBYAKYIJN Mar 29, 2026 +2
God, I would HOPE so.
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YamOk4747 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Put me on that list., please. One Canadian.
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canon12 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Take a look at Israel. It has been under Netanyahu's increasing control for the past two decades. Netanyahu, Trump and Hitlers name are now synonymous. Sick, sick, sick!
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jgilla2012 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Went out recently with two friends who are American Jews who at various points in the night said “well, Iran’s drones are doing great at wasting Israel’s defenses so that’s good,” and “Man, America really is public enemy number two, aren’t we?” to which I said “who’s number one?” and he said “Israel, always!” I know many American Jews who would not agree with these two, but I also know many more who would.
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Hidden_Land_Mine_183 Mar 29, 2026 +1
Okay, then have your synagogue and representatives (rabbis?) make public statements and separate yourselves 100% financially from israel. Shouldn't be too hard.
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BigNorseWolf Mar 29, 2026 +1
Politicians do not care what 60% of the population thinks. A laws popularity and what government does are almost orthogonal to each other. So why would they care that 55% of 2% of the population disapproves of something? They don't. It only matters what the government if Israel thinks and which politicians their pac AIPAC will support . Money talks, voters walk in useless marches.
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AusTex2019 Mar 28, 2026 +13
You can love Israel and Judaism and still be against Netanyahu. That’s not antisemitism as much as many would conflate the two things.
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ap191 Mar 28, 2026 +20
Except majority of the Israelis support Netanyahu’s atrocities. You take Netanyahu out and some other tyrant will take his place. Been like this for decades.  
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sleepkitty Mar 28, 2026 +7
My understanding is Netanyahu’s support in Israel is very similar to Trumps support in the US. Public polling has him underwater but a coalition did vote to elect him.
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nomcormz Mar 29, 2026 +8
This is VERY dangerous black-and-white thinking. Israelis have been mass protesting Netanyahu in the streets long before Oct 7. My rabbi flew to Israel to protest him like 5 years ago. He's unpopular af, corrupt af, and everyone knows it. So who knows if the polling is accurate or not. Secondly, no group is a monolith. Look up Combatants for Peace (Nobel peace prize nominees in 2017, 2018), Standing Together, the New Israel Fund, and other left-wing peace activist groups. There is opposition, you guys just somehow don't know about it.
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manniesalado Mar 28, 2026 +6
I lost my love of Israel the day Sharon marched into the Temple Mound. It was pure hate filled provocation.
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Jolly_Sample_1945 Mar 29, 2026 +3
I mean, this has been the problem with religious ethno-states.  If you claim you have the mandate of god, you can do any amount of horrible, evil acts and claim they were done in the name of righteousness.   Still, I’m glad to see American Jews decoupling their belief in the right of their people to exist and have a homeland from the clearly aggressive and unconscionable actions of that state’s current government.
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mutantmanifesto Mar 29, 2026 +5
Secular Jew here. F*** Bibi and this genocide.
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Banjoschmanjo Mar 29, 2026 +2
Doesnt Jewish Currents, the magazine whose editor to which the quote in the title is ascribed, have barely 10,000 subscribers? Not exactly a critical mass.
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MobilePenguins Mar 29, 2026 +2
Israel can’t hide behind historic injustices to shield themselves from their modern atrocities.
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16ozbuddz Mar 28, 2026 +6
Yea because it's not jew vs whatever. It's right vs wrong
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Andygator_and_Weed Mar 28, 2026 +6
Me: maybe we shouldn’t send all our money to Israel so they can bomb children. What if we helped our citizens? Them: DO YOU NOT THINK ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST???????????????!!???!!?!!?
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