About 40 passengers previously left ship hit by Hantavirus outbreak at island of St. Helena

Bill Burr

Influenza has been shown to make someone more social, so he might not be wrong.

I shall avoid this like the plague. Meaning I'll actively avoid taking any precautions, because I'm a special boy.

A stewardess from J-burg flight is already hospitalised.

Isolate mah self? Hell naw, I gotta go to the gym and the barber and restaurants and my kid’s soccer games and all kinds of shit, who cares if a bunch of people die, the stock market is doin’ great!

The US dropped out of WHO so we don't have to worry about it.

The craziest thing is that people are pretty much *more* resistant to safe reactions than they were before.

Absolutely because we all have Healthcare and reasonable time off allotments for these very situations. Right guys?...cough

A friend's wife came back from a February skiing trip in esrly 2020, from a lodge shared with people from about 10 countries. Got back in early March. Spent the first few days of March lockdown driving around the county to help her son buy a car because he might need it during lockdown......

This is the bit that could enable long-term spread. Because by the time a pandemic is declared, it's likely too late. Two months, pretty much, of incubation! How do you fight that? It's pretty much the classic Plague Inc. strategy.

Considering the first death happened only after being on the ship for five days, dude picked up long before he boarded the boat. Contact tracing needs to go backward from him boarding the ship.

You don’t ask. You make them. That’s how. You don’t have a right to infect others just because you want to go about your normal life.

Not exactly, Corona did have a mortality rate of approx 5%, here we have 38% and an American president that looks more sound of mind than ever.

Not even close. Transmission human to human still requires close contact. COVID is respiratory droplet/airborne transmission.

She was flying before anyone even realised there was a problem, let alone it being this virus. The first death was an old man so it looked like it could have been age and then her hantavirus symptoms basically went from 0 to 100 overnight. In this particular instance we can’t blame her or anyone who traveled before the illness was ID’d, it wasn’t like anyone knew it was unsafe. Everyone AFTER the hantavirus reveal tho… 

Where are you getting 50?

Where are you getting 50? The 50 is just the people who left the boat lol.

It's not completely unreasonable. When she got on the flight, it was not known yet that it was a contagious virus. As far as she knew, her elderly husband died of pneumonia (a rather common way to go at that age), in a far-away foreign country, and she attempted to travel herself and her husband's remains back home. She had no reason to suspect that she had a contagious virus, and in the obviously devastating situation she was in at the moment, people don't generally let some minor cold symptoms stop themselves from going home. When it, very swiftly, evolved for the worse it was already too late.

Idk if pushed from our mental storage is quite the right term. The emotional trauma of covid is still impacting the entire population in dire ways to this day. 

Cain’s Twitter posting Covid denial while he was in bed dying of Covid was one of the highlights of that whole thing 

some countries have learned, but far from enough. In one end you have spain, rolling in with WHO to canary islands and setting up field stations and stuff in preparation of arrival. In the other you have: 1 - whoever decided a misterious/unknown illness-caused death on a boat could be just offloaded without thinking twice, along with 40 random passengers. 2 - whoever decided a visibly sick person could barge untested into a flight to a major flight hub city when that person originates from an exotic trip. 3 - whoever decided someone collapsing out of a unknown sickness in an airport shouldn't trigger at the very least some tracking protocols on her flight and some testing. 4 - whoever decided to not trigger some sort of emergency protocol the moment the ilness was identified onboard and on the deceased body / wife, a protocol to track and isolate all the early leavers ASAP, and their flights and anyone in them, and their taxi driver, e.v.e.ry.o.n.e, not in the span of days but hours.

In all fairness, or whatever opinion on government decisions, I think we can all agree now that Covid was always going to be unstoppable. It was already past the point of no return when measures were put in place.

The current US president didn't give a f*** about covid, he will do the same for Hantavirus.

Oh shit, we speaking R0 numbers again?

You get out of here with your sensible analysis, Listnookors want to panic, and panic they will.

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Not a virologist (theorist in a related field), but yeah this is probably correct. 40-50% case fatality would make it unusual for it to spread a lot. Typically, diseases that kill their primary hosts that effectively have trouble spreading since everyone is dead Small caveats here being that theres a common zoonotic host (rodents), but Im not anywhere near qualified to say if thats a real risk. If human->rodent transmission is possible and it could establish in local mice populations, thatd be... pretty bad probably

There's a well respected epidemiologist that said, yes, this strain is transmittable from person to person but it doesn't transmit nearly as easily as the flu or COVID. I'm also comforted that the WHO has only identified 5 cases even with all those people stuck in close quarters on a cruise ship. So, it's serious but I can breath a little, at least at the moment.

It’s based on “I only get my information from Listnook headlines and I’m going to draw my own conclusions that fit my narrative”

Well the consensus seems to be average time from exposure to symptomatic is 18 days.  Think about that KLM Plane crew member.... close contact with the Dutch woman on April 24th when they observed her and helped remove her from the flight. Now they're sick. What's that? About 14 days post exposure?

Not just marine mammals. Cruise ships are the number one cause of reef destruction in the world. Back in 2021 the Caribbean lost almost 40% of their reefs due to a fungal infection that was spread by cruise ships picking up water around one island and dumping it somewhere else.

Buuuuuut have you seen the buffets and endless drink packages? Yeah bet you hadn’t considered that now had you smarty pants

She literally travelled with the husbands casket. How did no one stop to think: hey, this obviously sick lady whose husband just DIED from a sickness should not board the plane??

High mortality usually means low infectioness, because the victims die before they can contact more people. 

Or the Argentinian public could have some low level protection that keeps it below 1 that others don't have

That sounds even worse that they decided to go birdwatching at a garbage dump

Yup, I was literally on this boat in Antarctica last year. It was great (and very clean). I feel so bad for the crew who were all fantastic.

I know what you meant but it just occurred to me how long a cruise would have to be to see both a penguin and a polar bear in the same trip.