Adobe to pay $75 million to resolve US lawsuit over fees, subscription cancellations

Agree, but it increasingly seems like the lack of real accountability is an *intentional feature* of the US (in)justice system. Or at least corporations and the wealthy are shielded from real accountability. Contrast with the EU, which is doing much better in this regard. If you follow the news closely, there has also been a big difference in the handling of certain recently-released files too...

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Executives, the board of director, the f****** shareholders, any and all of them need to start going to jail. "But shareholders don't have any liability" I do not give one f***. If you are profiting off of a company that has to pay up for f****** people over, you should be losing your profit, and then some.

They don't need prison, they need a seizure of all assets and income and to be forced into community service + to live on minimum wage for as many years as would be their prison sentence. They can't learn what it is like to be mistreated by rich people until they're one of us, and they learn that through labor and forced integration into the community.

For f****** real..this entire country as gone to shit because accountability has gone completely out of the window. People need to go to prison, companies need to be bullied to clean up their act, examples need to be made. I'll vote for anyone that promises to lock people like this up. Make a new party, I don't care if it isn't going to win, something needs to spearhead a new idea for a new way forward. Most of us are here are highly capable, high functioning people, way more individually powerful than these chucklefucks who needed to scam, f*** and bamboozle their way up the ladder to gain any money or influence and then they bring those attitudes in the companies they run. They're so pathetic at being human that they have no skills, heart or talent of their own to contribute to society or community. The moment we realize just how much smarter, stronger & more powerful we are then them and how to actually organize around it that, the moment the clown show can finally stop. The only language that works against these types is absolute punishment. These shithole humans will always exist and the only way we purge them from our society is by making them so afraid of consequences that they wouldn't dare do anything that could risk prison time. We then make it stick through strong community culture to inoculate ourselves against the influence of snakes.

Not under the current US administration, which is riddled with dishonest grifters.

open source alternatives, do we have any of them?

I'm a graphic designer there is just no way to avoid the adobe ecosystem

Jesus I typed the gross, I'm sorry I'm an idiot. Thank you for the corrected info - I'm glad that my point still stands. 

I wholeheartedly agree. These fines need to have real teeth, though. British Airways had a data breach, got a 183 million pound fine, and it was reduced to 20 million when they went to court after long appeals. It often feels hopeless, look at the proposed Ticketmaster settlement, they're literally documented at laughing about ripping us off and Trump decided to try to settle. We had them dead as a company according to the previous antitrust attorneys (the lead of which was fired a week before the settlement).

It's bonkers. My daughter is obsessed with art and I hope to never have to get her a product with a subscription.  It's not meaningless if we teach people to hate these products and not buy them.

The problem is lack of competition. We would see a bigger drop-off in a healthier marker. Consumers don't have choices. Smaller startups or companies doing the innovation get bought out and squashed or integrated and enshittified.

I got hit with one of these 'fees' to cancel a subscription and it will be the last product I ever buy from them. I either pirate or find something else to use.

This sounds great, too. 

I'm agree to all of what you've said. 

Agreed the subscription model is biggest disaster of a revenue model of tech industry. Taking away user ownership and legalizing identity theft.

This and health insurance are the hardest parts of running a business. Taxes aren’t even on my radar of what’s squeezing me.

I think cars that have subscriptions for a standard feature must mandatorily need to be fixed by the manufacturer and secondary issues surrounding it

Rent-seeking behavior gives the economy cancer :(

>As for Adobe, their products used to be good because they were useful tools. And because they bought most of them. [Very few of the products Adobe is known for were made by Adobe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Adobe). Their products are good for a couple years after acquisition, then they start to show their age and Adobe needs to put in actual engineering work. At which point they start to suck.

That’s because they just added c*** to their existing programs, without thoroughly fixing even the most common bugs. I can’t count how many times I had to google a solution to a bug, just to find, that the Bug has been known for over 10years and was just never fixed

You mean like rotate a PDF counter-clockwise (which is paywalled) vs. clockwise (which is not)? lol

Or I could just not waste my time doing that at all. My time is worth more to me than the drive to walmart to buy a card to pay for a subscription from a company doing shady shit like this.

Absolutely!! The way you could draw ellipses and coils and such: pure intuitive.

You could make business cards, letter and envelope designs all in one document in Freehand. Like you had all file sizes on your table. The space the app gave you was great.