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News & Current Events Apr 2, 2026 at 12:37 PM

AfD leader demands the US withdraw troops from Germany

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AfD leader demands the US withdraw troops from Germany
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AfD leader demands the US withdraw troops from Germany
Tino Chrupalla, federal co-chairman of the right-wing Alternative for Germany party (AfD), demanded US troops stationed in Germany leave the country. “Let’s begin to put into practice what our party…

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Motor_Chard_7230 Apr 2, 2026 +1571
This has more to do with the AfD being Putin stooges than dislike of US policy or Trump.
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Deicide1031 Apr 2, 2026 +499
AFD is so obviously pro Russian that it’s public knowledge Russia funds some of their campaigns (and) Russia gives them campaign tips. I’m surprised Germany hasn’t clamped down on AFD but I guess there’s probably some legal/constitutional reasoning stopping it.
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littlest_dragon Apr 2, 2026 +269
A green politician made a reel showing all security related questions AfD representatives in Saxony made in the parliament in the last two years or so. Where are all the critical power plants and how are they defended? Where are troops stationed? How are the ant drone capabilities? What border security measures are there? Etc… the list goes on and on It reads exactly like the list of questions a foreign power’s intelligence service might have. Edit: it seems I’ve been spreading misinformation. That was in Thüringen and not Saxony and the guy who brought it up was a member of the SPD and not the Greens.
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Mypinksideofthedrain Apr 2, 2026 +35
Is that available in English anywhere?
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JoSeSc Apr 2, 2026 +19
Not sure if this is what you're looking for but this is an article in English that details a lot of it https://eutoday.net/afd-used-parliamentary-tools-to-seek-sensitive-data/
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Fallouttgrrl Apr 3, 2026 +1
I'm gonna guess it's definitely available in Russian
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enakcm Apr 2, 2026 +60
AfD Party members and PMs regularly give interviews and expertise on Russian state TV. Some AfD party members are Russian citizens who actively promote the war.
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Tunggall Apr 2, 2026 +26
In other countries, they would be in jail for advancing foreign interests.
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RedneckTexan Apr 2, 2026 +4
Not in the US. I've seen Americans here and at X literally copy & pasting IRGC press releases verbatim. And the US media thinks its their role in our society to both give our enemies a platform to speak directly to US citizens, and to investigate, expose, and disseminate our war plans to them ..... and they call it journalism.
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FauxReal Apr 2, 2026 +2
Though people posting here who may or may not even be in the United States aren't doing it as official representatives of a political party and are not privy to asking for national security information. [https://eutoday.net/afd-used-parliamentary-tools-to-seek-sensitive-data](https://eutoday.net/afd-used-parliamentary-tools-to-seek-sensitive-data) If a US politician started choosing Iran, China or Russia over their own intelligence community or hoarding classified information, that could possibly be a red flag that might warrant an investigation. But as you indicate, they might get away with it too.
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oryan80 Apr 2, 2026 +2
What war plans? All the experts said this was going to be a disaster and trump decided to do it anyway to distract from the Epstein files. But I guess trump knows better than all the generals like he always says. Is he still negotiating with imaginary Iranian leaders?
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Tunggall Apr 3, 2026 +1
Sadly, it doesn't seem like you folks have an easy solution to all that.
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Hilda_aka_Math Apr 2, 2026 +1
that’s because we have freedoms. and a free press. and “our enemies” are an actual country full of other human beings that we’re currently trying to ”bomb back to the stone age” so our pedo protector can keep his epstein files out of the news.
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Chajos Apr 2, 2026 +47
Its rightfully hard to stop a political party from existing. In my personal opinion the AfD has long passed any threshold necessary, but since they are so popular the other big right wing party, the CDU, would not carry the vote to forbid the AfD. Without them the vote has a good chance to fail, since you rightfully need a big majority to agree to such a drastic measure. And so the OG Nazis get back into power and the cover bands from around the world rejoice because the original flavor is back on the market and the people that could stop them in their own country-again- won’t do it.
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Anteater776 Apr 2, 2026 +29
To clarify: you need a certain quorum to initiate proceedings before the German Supreme Court. Parliament cannot forbid a party by itself
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Pi-ratten Apr 2, 2026 +33
> I’m surprised Germany hasn’t clamped down on AFD but I guess there’s probably some legal/constitutional reasoning stopping it. The reason being that our conservatives don't want to ban them. Officially they claim they want to deal with them politically by *checks notes* insulting all citizens, raising taxes for low income while cutting them for rich people, lowering worker protection, harassing unemployed people, killing economic growth, uttering racist lockeroom talk, making it more difficult for sick people to call in sick at work, and so on... surely that will persuade people to vote for them and not the far-right nazi party with a protest image, right?
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OberonJormungander Apr 2, 2026 +13
German conservatives believing they could control a far right party? Hey I've seen this one, it's a classic!
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purple_maple Apr 2, 2026 +8
For the same reason we can’t “clamp down” on the republicans who want to take us back to the 1930’s.
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mr_birkenblatt Apr 2, 2026 +2
Axel Springer is a far right that owns most german media (like Rupert Murdoch does with US media). They are shaping public opinion. If public opinion doesn't focus on clamping down on far right parties, nothing will happen about it
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Gold-Appearance-4463 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Banning opposition parties always has the issue of turning them into martyrs and threaten the legitimacy of the political system overall. A strong political system has to be able to survive dissent. Germany has always had left wing and right wing populists promising easy answers to complex questions that would never survive contact with reality.
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Frequently_lucky Apr 2, 2026
Once a party reaches a certain percentage of the vote, it becomes very hard to disband it without creating a sense of martyrdom or even inducing rebellion among their followers. Any way it will pop out under a different name.
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Even_Skin_2463 Apr 2, 2026 +46
Up until recently AfD members were flying into the US getting all cozy with MAGA figureheads. 
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Reasonable-Cut-6137 Apr 2, 2026 +13
Yep Rubio defended them and Musk was at their rally.
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Ree_m0 Apr 2, 2026 +2
>"America First" is totally antithetical to nationalist parties in European countries, it doesn't matter how much they bang the drum about immigration and anti-woke policies, cost of living (especially after this year) will the thing that matters most and you can't deflect from Trump's way of handling things. They know they can't rely on him either. That won't stop them from trying to get the best of both worlds regardless.
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Ree_m0 Apr 2, 2026
Trump has the attention spawn of a fly, he's not the one they're banking on. It's the likes of Vance and Miller who are leading the support for the European far right, and they'll continue to do so. Yeah sure it's a game of optics, but again, the AfD gets support from *Russia* too - everyone knows it, but it's impossible to prove conclusively because the AfD themselves don't even need to be doing much, and their voters don't care. It'll continue to be just the same with the US, except they'll be taking money rather than endorsements from now on.
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CalmCelebration10 Apr 2, 2026 +3
cdu too
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TurelSun Apr 2, 2026 +1
That is exactly what this is about. They saw that didn't work so now they've shifted tactics when it comes to the US. They're still going to get cozy with right-wing parties in other countries including the US but they're not going to broadcast it as obviously when it comes to Trump and MAGA.
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veevoir Apr 2, 2026 +9
They basically give Trump what he wants on a silver platter - the narration that those pesky, ungrateful Europeans hate US and want it to leave. There is no dislike of Trump here.
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Reasonable-Cut-6137 Apr 2, 2026 +4
Are you nuts haha! Trump and AFD have been best buddies. Rubio has defended them publicy and Musk when he was Cheif DOGE was at their rally along with Maga delegates. Stop posting rubbish. AFD only distanced itself last month because of Iran and Trumps anti Euro stance. Euro nationalists are passionate about Europe identity. Only UK far right still have a self hatred and support Trump.
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Perfect-Emu-8655 Apr 2, 2026 +1
I guess they didn't get the memo from Kremlin that Trump is one of their own and should be left alone.
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AquiliferX Apr 2, 2026 +1
Well that's something they and Trump have in common
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TachiH Apr 2, 2026 +1
It's a shame it was AfD because I genuinly don't think its the wrong policy. It will be highly respected across Europe.
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Tybalt941 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Regardless of how you personally feel about the US, Trump, NATO, or Russia, it is undeniable that a US withdrawal from Central Europe (including the removal of US nukes from Germany) would be a massive strategic and PR victory for Putin.
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TachiH Apr 2, 2026 +1
Russia gains nothing from the US leaving. The EU can easily hold back Russia at the borders if they need to. We will be adding Ukraine when the war is over too, or if Russia invaded they would likely get invited right away. US nukes are worthless as they can only be used by Trump. French and UK nukes are far better as they are not controlled externally. It would be a PR win at most.
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Tybalt941 Apr 3, 2026 +1
I don't disagree that the EU could beat Russia, but you are delusional if you actually think Russia gains nothing but a PR win from the US leaving NATO (that's what it would mean if the US leaves all German bases)
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CheesecakeHorror3410 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Trump and the AfD share the same masters.
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BigBoyYuyuh Apr 2, 2026
But…Trump Is a Putin stooge. You’d think they’d make great friends.
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Eigetsu Apr 2, 2026 +3
why Trump still give intelligence and weapons to Ukraine then?
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twitterfluechtling Apr 2, 2026 +4
They are Putins bitches, neither his friends, allies or anything. Putin wants western democracies divided. So that's what happens.
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Eigetsu Apr 2, 2026
You're push same narratives as Putin himself. Everybody who oppose current political power = foreign asset. Just because people don't want confrontation doesn't mean they support Putin.
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GoldDoubleCup Apr 2, 2026
Yeessss good goy. You are a mensch. Keep blaming Russia.
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Immediate-Shape-8933 Apr 2, 2026 -3
You sure about that bub? Do you not see the writing on the walls and everyone pissed at america for Iran?
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veevoir Apr 2, 2026 +125
Putin wants NATO weakened and US bases out of Europe. And his stooges from Far-right Internationale cooperate to do exactly that. People think *"ooh, AfD was supposed to be Trumps friends, why do they speak against US?"*... But they are giving Trump exactly what he needs for internal propaganda. They may speak against US bases, but what they say in the end is in line with what MAGA says about leaving NATO and shrinking US military presence.
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totallyRebb Apr 2, 2026 +6
Exactly. They are all pulling in the same direction.
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ersentenza Apr 2, 2026 +280
AfD works for Russia so of course
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Blurpwurp Apr 2, 2026 +49
Trump works for Russia too.
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Liberty-Justice-4all Apr 2, 2026 +27
Right so they both are doing their best to undermine things that are in Putin's way: NATO Rule of law Etc
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Agile-Funny9496 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Yes, but the difference is - he thinks he does not.
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Hentai_Yoshi Apr 2, 2026 -25
Ah yes, Trump works for Russia. Thats why he opened the flood gates of actionable intelligence so Ukraine could strike deeper into Russian territory when he came into office.
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Topsyye Apr 2, 2026 -23
Mueller literally spent years investigating the trump Russia connection along with a very public report and found nothing. Listnook will keep running with it though.
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TheFifthTone Apr 2, 2026 +22
What do you mean he found nothing. There's an entire report worth of findings that he said were probably criminal and needed to be investigated by congress. Then Bill Barr buried it. People in Trump's orbit went to prison because of their ties to Russia and Mueller said Trump was obstructing justice too much and there needed to be a bigger investigation.
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Topsyye Apr 2, 2026 -11
It’s true that the report concluded that there was an effort by Russia to influence the 2016 election. It did not however, find that anyone in the campaign personally conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts. Why wasn’t the investigation opened again by the last admin? It’s because there is nothing.
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TheFifthTone Apr 2, 2026 +11
>It did not however, find that anyone in the campaign personally conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts. That's just not true. The report quote "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign" Mueller declined to exonerate Trump in the conspiracy his campaign operatives were involved in with Russia, and listed multiple episodes in which Trump engaged in obstruction as the reason he wasn't able to prove Trump was involved. [https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/](https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/)
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Topsyye Apr 2, 2026 -10
A link is not the same thing as collaborating or conspiring. I have a link to russia because of a pen pal from highschool. Again, seems perfect for the last admin to pick up and prosecute. Why didn’t they?
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TheFifthTone Apr 2, 2026 +6
Biden made a promise to not use the DOJ against Trump like Trump had been threatening to use it against all of his political opponents during the 2020 election campaigns. He said he wouldn't stand in the way of investigations especially related to national security, but he wouldn't push for them. This let a bunch of Trump's crimes slip through uninvestigated and unprosecuted. I think it was a calculated move on Trump's part. He did the same thing with elections. He makes absurd claims against his opponents and claim they are committing fraud or other crimes or trying to cheat in elections, which puts his opponents always on the defensive. Then when he does something he has been accusing others of, it makes it so that it looks like they're just lashing out at him accusing him back. Criminal investigations of politicians, especially Trump, can just be dismissed as witch hunts. [https://www.businessinsider.com/president-elect-joe-biden-not-use-justice-department-investigate-trump-2020-11](https://www.businessinsider.com/president-elect-joe-biden-not-use-justice-department-investigate-trump-2020-11)
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Topsyye Apr 2, 2026
lol it’s funny you say that because the Biden administration actually did investigate trump for the 2020 election classified documents debacle. So yes, he did use the DOJ. Just not for Russia because it would have been a waste of time.
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CantFeelMyToesAgain Apr 2, 2026 +81
AFD is heavy pro Russia. 
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Reasonable-Cut-6137 Apr 2, 2026 +9
Just like they were heavy pro MAGA
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twitterfluechtling Apr 2, 2026 +10
They still are. It's no contradiction, they have the same agenda: Break up western democracies.
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ZuAusHierDa Apr 2, 2026 +3
Maga also wants to close the bases in Germany.
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ch4ppi_revived Apr 2, 2026 +47
How is this posted here NOW? Is this an AFD Psyop? AfD ALWAYS wanted US to withdraw from europe, but only because they are Russia puppets.
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RontoWraps Apr 2, 2026 +15
If this is your first time noticing the Russia has a heavy influence on Listnook, ohhhh boy.
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Jimmy-JoJo-shabadu Apr 2, 2026 +3
Yeah thank you, who the f*** posted this shit, never give this skid mark of a party any publicity.
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Due-Business-8105 Apr 2, 2026 -6
die Linke too are russian puppets, considering they are the successors of the SED party, which was the only communist party in east germany.
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ponylicious Apr 2, 2026 +8
They partially were, but the Russian puppets left Die Linke and founded a new party (BSW).
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ch4ppi_revived Apr 2, 2026 +1
Okay, what does that have to do with anything?
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DanmarkBestaar Apr 2, 2026
Listnookor for one month and only commenting on politics.
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TugJobTony Apr 2, 2026 +2
I’m sure they’re talking big but plenty of areas that house the military will shudder without the footprint.
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Golemfrost Apr 2, 2026 +4
Of course Russia's hand in German politics would want this.
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b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh Apr 2, 2026 +4
Well, since both the sender and the recipient of the message are on Putin's payroll, maybe they can work something out.
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Hetzendorfer Apr 2, 2026 +5
Wrong.His russian bosses asking him to demand this.
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baalsebul Apr 2, 2026 +12
F*** that Putin ass crawling Nazi bunch.
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Evilkenevil77 Apr 2, 2026 +6
AfD is basically the neo-Nazi party of Germany, so take whatever they say with a fascist grain of salt.
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InCloud44 Apr 2, 2026 +9
It should not be a surprise for anyone...by the fact that Afd is prorussian, Le Pen pro Russian, in UK Farage pro Putin, Spain is weak and Italy Salvini pro Russian. They wish they could make all those coutries anti NATO so they could attack the rest of Europe and grab it very easy.
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Eigetsu Apr 2, 2026 +1
after all those years you still believe in those fairytales? Russia didn't really moved frontline, how it's gonna conquer whole Europe? Western media push those narratives for centuries to stay in power and silence domestic issues.
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InCloud44 Apr 2, 2026 +3
I am saying that is what they wish for. Europe to be divided and also NATO!
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lepreqon_ Apr 2, 2026 +5
Of course that ruzzian asset would demand that.
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StrangerFew2424 Apr 2, 2026 +3
F*** these Fascists.
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Ultra_Metal Apr 2, 2026 +8
A reminder that the AfD is basically the nazi party with a new name. Of course they want the Americans out. The AfD doesn't want anyone to interfere with their goal to build a 4th reich.
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Deepfire_DM Apr 2, 2026 +10
Traitors
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mediumwetsock Apr 2, 2026 +7
Not an AfD supporter, but why would you want US troops in your country?
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Deepfire_DM Apr 2, 2026 +7
The question is not having the troops in the country, the question is "why" you want to get them out. And the traitors want them out because they want to weaken Germany and Europe for their russian Master. Not for German independence.
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mediumwetsock Apr 2, 2026 +4
I think AfD should be banned and prosecuted. But US should gtfo. NATO without US is going to maybe wake up EU
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Deepfire_DM Apr 2, 2026 +2
Fine with me, AfD are still traitors.
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Magazine_Born Apr 2, 2026 -2
trump is threatening to leave nato so why would you want non ally troops in your country?
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Deepfire_DM Apr 2, 2026 +2
And you read this exactly where in my text?
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Bakedfresh420 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Aww division between Putin’s stooges?
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El_Chupachichis Apr 2, 2026 +2
I hope Eastern Europe is studying Ukraine and Iran right now and switching their manufacturing and purchases accordingly.
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TachiH Apr 2, 2026 +1
The whole of Europe is pivoting to be able to produce in house. If Eastern Europe is attacked NATO might not intercede but the EU for sure will throw everything at their protection.
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charlies_brain Apr 2, 2026 +2
LMAO didnt vance endorse these idiots?
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Be_quiet_Im_thinking Apr 2, 2026 +2
Has this guy asked Putin to withdraw from Ukraine?
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Cyzax007 Apr 2, 2026 +4
He wants Ruzzian ones instead...
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RainbowBier Apr 2, 2026 +3
Afd is just another Russian sub company with some useful idiots involved that think they're the next great dictator
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CheesecakeHorror3410 Apr 2, 2026 +4
Anything to help Russia. Treasonous fucks.
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SP1570 Apr 2, 2026 +4
Unfortunately, I share the sentiment...we can hope the US to go back to the old ways, but "once a cheat always a cheat": we can't rely on them and, as they are now, we should even fear them.
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Tatalebuj Apr 2, 2026 +3
Require ICC adoption/ratification - not just "a pledge to join. We obviously can't be trusted, and I don't trust my politicians either.
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TachiH Apr 2, 2026 +1
The ICC doesn't have enough cells to hold everyone in the US and Israeli governments( 1 and the same). Public hangings just aren't as accepted as they were post WW2.
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Master-Rent5050 Apr 2, 2026 +5
USA threatened war with Europe a few months ago. Keeping their troops in Europe does not make any sense: they don't offer any protection and may even be used for a surprise attack
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steve_ample Apr 2, 2026 +3
"What the hell, boss?" \-Donnie, to Vladdy.
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M4rth1988 Apr 2, 2026 +3
Doing Putin work
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totallyRebb Apr 2, 2026 +4
Lets not be confused. AfD, Trump and Putin are all on the same team.
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The_Great_Googly_Moo Apr 2, 2026 +4
Ahh yes the National socialist German workers party with a fun little rebrand that absolutely isnt shunned by the average German for exactly what it is
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SynthFei Apr 2, 2026 +3
> that absolutely isnt shunned by the average German for exactly what it is Considering they recently poll around 20% can't really say that it's average German shunning them anymore...
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The_Great_Googly_Moo Apr 2, 2026 +5
4/5ths is still better than most countries dealing with their reactionary groups in 2026 id argue
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MugRuithstan Apr 2, 2026 +5
As an american, true.
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yakovgolyadkin Apr 2, 2026 +1
The average German still hates them and views them as a threat to the country. They're gaining support from some of the more racist portions of the CDU and from some of the more braindead portions of the youth. There's a ceiling that they won't pass because fundamentally most people here understand that they are just racist shitheads and would be incredibly damaging to the country if ever allowed to have actual power.
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SynthFei Apr 2, 2026 +1
Sure. Maybe. But how high is that ceiling? They don't need 100% support to be an actual threat and danger to the country. It's enough that at by next Bundestagswahl they equalise or overtake CDU/CSU and they are very close to that ([Latest poll has them at 25% vs CDU/CSU at 26%](https://politpro.eu/en/germany)).
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Fun_Performer_5170 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Another bunch of Putin puppets
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ClawsUp_EatTheRich Apr 2, 2026 +2
Didnt count on infighting in the nazis
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yakovgolyadkin Apr 2, 2026 +2
I did, it's a certainty that it happens eventually. That's literally what happens to all right-wing movements. Right-wing ideology is fundamentally built on otherism, violence, and destruction. If they beat all of the enemies they claim to have, they won't rest and say "we won," they'll pick a new part of their group to be the new enemy to attack. There is no ultimate endgame for the far-right where they win and move on with their lives, they will forever find new scapegoats and enemies and will always eventually turn on each other.
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FreedomsPower Apr 2, 2026 +3
That Putin appeaser can go pound sand
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VLamperouge Apr 2, 2026 +2
Heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a great point
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BassyTobe Apr 2, 2026 +1
They say whatever benefits them, but they are a bunch of morons with no skills and no clue. Weidel in particular is not the brightest candle on the cake.
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Wrong_Combination977 Apr 2, 2026 +1
What the AFD leaders have to say about international politics is as important as a sack of rice falling over somewhere in china.
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ALWAYS_have_a_Plan_B Apr 2, 2026 +1
Thoughts and prayers for Europe.
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Dont_Get_Jokes-jpeg Apr 2, 2026 +1
Breaking news: "the worst person you know just made a good point" (for the wrong reason tho)
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BaronGreywatch Apr 2, 2026 +1
Yeah not sure that'll happen that's like the biggest U.S garrison in the world outside the states.
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UnordinaryFlyGirl Apr 3, 2026 +1
One in a lifetime W for the AfD
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Sugar_Short Apr 3, 2026 +1
Still no sanctions to israel.
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skobuffaloes Apr 2, 2026 +1
Did I miss something are the AfD in charge now?
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Elsoci Apr 2, 2026 +1
Germany is between a rock and a hard place, it depends heavily on China for imports and the USA for exports to keep their economy alive. That gives you little to no independence. Seeing the German chancellor bowing to Trump after the kick off of the Iran war was an incredible display of weakness which not even the post-brexit Britts endured. The AfD is for sure not the solution but quite a lot of what stated in the article is nothing else but the truth.
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Teeklee1337 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Interestingly both the far left and far right share this demand in Germany...
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Even_Skin_2463 Apr 2, 2026 +1
If Trump continues his rhetoric the center will follow suit. I'm very much pro multilateralism and NATO, but I'm very tired... At this point it seems more beneficial for Europe to cut losses, heavily invest in the domestic MIC instead of constantly hoping that the US won't elect an absolute moron.
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Fantastic_Piece5869 Apr 2, 2026 +1
can i demand afd withdraw from earth? Bunch of nazis.
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Antagonist007 Apr 2, 2026 -3
And you have any proof of these claims, any credible proof that the whole party is a bunch of Nazis and not just individuals?
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Fantastic_Piece5869 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Defending the and? Found the nazi. Everyone point and laugh
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arajajaja Apr 2, 2026 +1
ein paar reichen nicht?
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Chemical-Ideal1 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Isn’t this the party JD Vance was scolding Germany for calling extremist?
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Strafalot Apr 2, 2026 +1
I don’t really belieb the AfD will truly push for this if they achieve power. They have been very staunchly pro MAGA and have even admitted they base some of their political style off of it. If they have learned one thing from MAGA it’s that you can simply lie about what you intend to do once you reach office and that playing off of media headlines is their greatest weapon. This is lip service from Weidel and even if one were to take the pessimistic stance against the US Forces there I think it’s a pipe dream to assume that it would literally be all of them.
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DanmarkBestaar Apr 2, 2026 +1
Not surprised the popularity of this on listnook. Pumped by maga and tankies as usual.
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OneNormalBloke Apr 2, 2026 -1
Thought the orange megalomaniac loves these far-right nutters but doesn't seem to be reciprocated.
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Flyinmanm Apr 2, 2026 +4
Nah they are both on the same team. Them and Orban. Team Putin.
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roosterthumper Apr 2, 2026
Pretty bad when the rebranded NAZIs don’t want you either.
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Artistic_Original_88 Apr 2, 2026
Funny how fringe politicians try to spin this. The U.S. has already signaled it’s reassessing NATO after the Iran conflict, yet this German politician acts like he’s forcing America out. He’s not. This is one party pushing its own agenda, not Germany speaking. The real question is whether NATO still serves U.S. interests at all.
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El_Chupachichis Apr 2, 2026 +3
>The real question is whether NATO still serves U.S. interests at all. It absolutely does -- that's why the traitor occupying the White House is working to break it up.
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Artistic_Original_88 Apr 2, 2026 -2
Calling people “traitors” doesn’t answer the question. The issue is whether NATO is still delivering for the U.S., especially when allies hesitate on access and burden-sharing.
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Billie-Holiday Apr 2, 2026 +3
You know the U.S is the only member to invoke article 5 right. And that NATO went to war in the middle east right? And that Trump dismissed and mocked this help and the fallen soldiers right? And that Trump threathened to invade Greenland, a NATO member country right? And that NATO is a defense pact, not a Offense pact you can summon to clean up your mess when you fucked up royaly right? Offcourse you don't. you probably got brainwashed by fox news propaganda.
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Artistic_Original_88 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Some of that is true, some of it is opinion. Yes, Article 5 was invoked after 9/11, and NATO supported operations in Afghanistan. That’s not in dispute. But none of that answers the current question: if allies hesitate to provide access or support when it matters today, is NATO still consistently serving U.S. interests? That’s a fair question, not “propaganda.”
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Billie-Holiday Apr 2, 2026
All of it's true. There's no "alternative facts". That doesn't exist. And it all depends on the US interests. NATO's membership isn't all about seving U.S interests. It's about a defensive pact that serves all members interests. There was a perfectly good deal with Iran where there was oversight into the enriched Uranium Iran could and were allowed to have. Which was good for the whole of NATO. Trump tore that deal up single handedly. Then the US and Israel (or must I say Trump amd Nethanyahu) decided, without consulting allies to f*** the whole middle east again. Pressuring and insulting allies when confronted with their own f*** ups. First threathening to withdraw all US bases in the EU and using it as pressure tactics along with tariffs on allied members and invading an allied territory. And now insisting to use the bases and territory you wanted to abandon in the first place to be used to draw allies into a foreign war of your own making. And now I won't even go into detail about the whole Russia/Ukraine debacle, where Trump is siding with Putin because Zelenskyy didn't want to fabricate lies about Biden/Burisma. Where in this whole story since Trump took office in 2016 was there any sign of working together on the NATO allience from the side of US. Trump made it clear he wanted out of NATO and f*** europe over way before he even was president. NATO is open to defensive support to NATO allies, (and even more nations) it isn't a get out of jail free card for maniac despots. It's gonna take a long time before relations are normalised again, and I don't think it's gonna happen under Trump. So tl;dr : No, NATO is not there to "consistently serve US interest" because it never was meant for it and maybe never will be again. Why don't you try asking the newly formed "Board of peace" if they are willing to clean up this mess?.
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Artistic_Original_88 Apr 2, 2026 +2
We can debate policy decisions all day, but from my perspective as a veteran, one thing that stands out is how decisions like denying access to bases or airspace can increase operational risk for U.S. service members. At the end of the day, the question isn’t about politics or personalities. It is whether NATO is functioning in a way that supports the safety, effectiveness, and mission of the forces involved. That is a legitimate concern.
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El_Chupachichis Apr 2, 2026
It's not a policy decision being debated... it's a war of choice and NATO has never been obligated to assist any member in a war of choice.
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Artistic_Original_88 Apr 2, 2026 +2
No one is saying NATO must join a war of choice. The point is that denying access or support still impacts how well the alliance works and how effectively it can operate.
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El_Chupachichis Apr 2, 2026
So you're talking about hypothetical denial of access or support. Fine. When NATO members deny access or support during an invocation of Article 5 that's valid, then we'd agree that the alliance is no longer in the US interests.
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Billie-Holiday Apr 2, 2026
Yeah totally agree. But you forget that NATO was functioning pretty good!! Untill someone single handedly deteriorated, (and possibly destroyed) all the values and relations within that pact, shit talks everyday about how he doesn't need anyone or any help, has already won big time, and all other superlatives that has been used the last few days. You can't trust, make deals with, or count on this guy. NATO is just a tool for him now.
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Artistic_Original_88 Apr 2, 2026 +2
I think we’re getting away from the actual point. This isn’t about one leader or personality. My point is about NATO as an alliance and whether it consistently functions in a way that supports U.S. interests and protects service members in real-world situations. That includes questions about access, coordination, and reliability, regardless of who is in office on either side.
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Billie-Holiday Apr 2, 2026 +1
I think the actual point I'm trying to make is, that it is actually about one leader and behaviour/personality. I can't remember there being any of these issues in NATO before, where members were blindsided or ignored or shit talked about before 2016.
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Doomergeneration Apr 2, 2026 -3
Sadly this will be a popular stance with German voters, especially those in the old Eastern states
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Spinoza42 Apr 2, 2026 -2
This will be popular all over Europe, regardless of people's political backgrounds. The far right may be one of the first to jump on the bandwagon, but it's an idea whose time has come. The US can gtfo the old world.
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BoredGuy2007 Apr 2, 2026 +2
The US subsidizes the defense of the entire continent and literally every European leader knows that
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Spinoza42 Apr 2, 2026 +1
The US is currently taking European money meant for weapons to go to Ukraine, and sending those weapons to Israel. You're living in the 1980s.
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BoredGuy2007 Apr 2, 2026 -2
Laughable made up BS. You’re living in a Listnook fantasyland
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blueskydragonFX Apr 2, 2026 -1
When the Russian Bratwurst tastes batter then the American one.
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Jimmy-JoJo-shabadu Apr 2, 2026 -1
Why post anything AfD related, your publicizing the biggest joke/ scam/ … joke of a political party and making them seem like thaey have a normal spot in politics
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Significant-Self5907 Apr 2, 2026 -4
The far right does an awful lot of demanding. It's curious how they think that will work.
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Buttercup4869 Apr 2, 2026
Still salty that he was not allowed inside at the inauguration?
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Cyrotek Apr 2, 2026
I am surprised to actually agree for once with something an AfD stooge says. Then, again, it is probably for different reasons.
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ElectricalJoke3878 Apr 2, 2026 -1
Stupidaggini per il suo elettorato xenofobi di extrema destra. La lider e' ebrea lesbica e convive con una donna Pakistana: il contrario di cio' che predica. I tedeschi sono una pallida imitazione del popolo intelligente che era fino a 100 anni fa. Il suo partito e' stato creato e finanziato dalla comunita' ebraica tedesca per intercettare I tedeschi neonazisti e impedire che confluiscano in un movinento autenticamente estremista. Strano che pochi siano accorti di questa presa in giro. Lo stesso per Wilder ebreo gay belga e garage in GB come Le Pen in Francia espulsa dal Fronte Nazionale per simpatie sionisti e filo occidentale. Brutta fine per l'Europa! Shalom.
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LostInAPortal Apr 2, 2026 +2
Sri Lankan, not Pakistani
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RedneckTexan Apr 2, 2026 -14
Trump has tried on several occasions to downsize US Forces in Europe. But is always blocked by a bi-partisan coalition in the US Congress. Leaving him no other course than hoping the Europeans kick us out. Western Europe is no longer under a credible threat of a conventional Warsaw Pact invasion. Trump insults Europe every chance he gets. The US favorability rating in Europe is at an all time low. We have an unusual confluence of interests here. Trump wants out. Most Europeons want us out. Russia is not a conventional threat to any Western European country. Why cant this happen? Who is blocking this move? What is the rationale for letting a country most Europeans consider Fascist maintain bases and keep 72000 troops on their soil. Surely a mutual agreement to expel us from Europe can be reached. The time for it is certainly right.
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gdkod Apr 2, 2026 +3
Russia is not a threat to Western European countries? It is a threat to Finland, Baltic states, Poland, while at the same time waging criminal war against Ukraine for more than 4 years. I could also add the constant threat from all russian media to nuke London, Paris and Berlin. If the argument is that russia has no means, they have. This country is full of fanatics and it has enough nukes to burn the continent. As they already said, if they go down, the would drag the whole world with them.
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FruityFetus Apr 2, 2026 +6
Dude’s a Trumper so it’s unsurprising they’re inventing a new reality that supports Trump’s position.
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Ikrit122 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Agreed. They've held Crimea for more than a decade, and they hold sizeable portions of eastern Ukraine and have for 4 years. How hard would it be for them to take the Baltics or a chunk of Poland via Belarus (if NATO didn't respond with full force, of course)? Right now, probably very difficult with the war in Ukraine, but if there ends up being a resolution to that war and Russia can build up again, then absolutely. Not to mention that Russia isn't fully mobilized. If they were to completely embrace being at war, then they become a bigger threat than they are currently.
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Particular-Cow6247 Apr 2, 2026 +7
your own millitary like its not hard to understand that they dont want to give up the biggest us base outside of the usa, cornerstone for pretty much all operations in the middle east, staging ground, logistical hub, critical supply routes, oh and the fricking giant military hospital that saved hundreds of life of us soldiers beeing wounded in the middle east and that all ignores the intelligence opportunities the us gains through all of it... without us bases in europe you would need atleast 3 more carriers and you would need to spend ALOT more money on your military :D
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mreman1220 Apr 2, 2026 +9
Both European and American militaries benefit greatly. Having air bases to stop off at or operate out of. Not to mention the base level cooperation.  Once this Trump maga sickness is purged, we will hopefully be able to mend things. 
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Particular-Cow6247 Apr 2, 2026 -2
its mendable like everything else always has been, i mean look at japan/usa or just germany /europe/usa but i think it will be pretty important that americans acknowledge how much they are benefiting from NATO/western alliance and that the money you guys spend on your military here isnt exactly wellfare...
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mreman1220 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Yeah, it drives me crazy. I was a Republican in my early 20s. Viewed our western alliances as critical and most people in my sphere agreed. I never bought Trump's bullshit but goddamn if his and the MAGA cult didn't convince people that America was getting fleeced.  Again, hopefully it's a fog that just needs to clear once the Republican Party learns it needs to move on from Trumpism.
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RedneckTexan Apr 2, 2026
You mean we could spend less of our tax dollars funding the world's policemen? Maybe build up some new bases on our southern border? Worry about our defense, and not everyone else's? I can get behind that.
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FruityFetus Apr 2, 2026 +3
Lmao, bases on our southern border. Do you think our alliances with Europe and our bases there aren’t for our own defense? What value would bases on our southern border add?
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FruityFetus Apr 2, 2026 +3
Confluence of interests between Trump and pro-Russian Europeans. Wonder why this gets blocked.
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