It's incredible that you can go from a highly racist society under apartheid into a highly racist society a few decades after.
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TheSpecialApple6 days ago
+130
it is far easier to blame your problems on outsiders than the actual cause. also is proven to work for political gain, and more. when you create the idea of an enemy of the people, the people rally behind it.
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porktasti6 days ago
+106
You can't be that delusional that you thought the West is the only anti- immigrant culture the whole time? You guys just have more power and social status and therefore hold yourselves to higher standards
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cogitocool5 days ago
+6
A strong argument can be made that your last sentence should read "you guys have more power and social status because you hold yourselves to higher standards".
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Hopeful-for-EE-Movie3 days ago
Hahahah F*** no..
The west's standards are hypocritical as shit.
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FuckCommies_GetMoney6 days ago
+49
It shouldn't be a surprise. Bigotry against anyone slightly different than you has been the norm throughout human history, and is still the norm in most of the world. Our more tolerant Western society is the outlier.
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Ok-Living28875 days ago
+7
It’s not like the west invented it. All over the world you have these "us“ vs. "them" mentalities. One country looking down on another. If you want to dig into it, historically ppl fought, defeated and sold their "neighbors", as in neighboring village or tribes etc. Vikings raided through Europe along the rivers and "collected" their "goods" and sold white slaves. African tribes sold other Africans to the best buyers. The Middle East had (has) slaves. It’s everywhere. The "other" is the convenient bad guy or boogeyman you can blame for your problems or exploit for your gain. It’s too easy to weaponize the other for your propaganda. Simple solution have and still do, sell easy and well.
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Cyber-Soldier15 days ago
+3
The show is just on the other foot now. Whitt racists under apartheid, black racists now since the ANC took over
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Ok-Wall96466 days ago
+51
It’s adorable you think Europeans introduced racism and bigotry to Africa.
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Farewell-Farewell6 days ago
+40
Don't think I said that.
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Frosty-Stand57526 days ago
+32
lol the Listnook special- just completely make up some narrative that isn’t even close to what you said. You can’t even call it a strawman it’s such an extreme implication
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notk6 days ago
+8
lol the Listnook special- taking a big needlessly adversarial swing & missing & doubling down until your comments hit the maximum length limit.
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i4858i5 days ago
+1
It is not just a Listnook special. Reading this comment, I don’t need to click the guys profile (the one inventing the narrative) to know I can expect some MAGA adjacent stuff there
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Frosty-Stand57525 days ago
-1
lol you're right, how did you know?
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i4858i5 days ago
+2
The guy goes on a “Whites did not introduce racism” without someone saying anything on those lines
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Frosty-Stand57525 days ago
I guess thats race baiting. It's the worst.
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Ok-Wall96465 days ago
-3
I guess I just failed to see the need to bring up apartheid as the cause of racism today in South Africa. Wasn’t exactly tribes holding hands and singing kumbaya prior to the Dutch and British.
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wasmic2 days ago
+1
Because apartheid so thoroughly changed the landscape of how racism functioned that pre-apartheid racist structures are, relatively, much less relevant today.
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General-Piece84905 days ago
+2
Blaming others is a common tactic in politics. Politicians create a good class of people and then create a bad class of people, and who wants to be with the bad people? And better still, who doesn’t love to fight against “bad people”???
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NordicHorde25 days ago
+2
During apartheid there was a ton of violence between the various black tribes like the Zulu and Xhosa. That's where necklacing comes from, putting a tire filled with petrol around someone and lighting them on fire.
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MrXenomorph886 days ago
+2
You do realise socially, nothing really changed in South Africa?
Yes, Apartheid ended meaning literally seperating the population ethnically and forcing the black population into shanty towns was no longer government policy. It's not like racism suddenly disappeared and everyone danced in the street hand in hand. The racial devide ia still super prevalent
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hera-fawcett6 days ago
+5
and honestly, its not surprising at all.
drawing on the us' experience w segregation and racism, its p clear that it persists *long* after it 'ends'. and the impacts are more than just societal, theyre financial, health, educational, etc.
its shit.
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sharingdork6 days ago
-7
Also apartheid ended in the 90s, it's not that far back. Compared to America who's civil war was around the 1950s. That's a lot more time to work towards a better future.
We still have a long way to go as a country.
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Throwaway-panda695 days ago
+6
I don’t know if it was a typo but our civil war was in the 1800s and civil rights was a large movement in the 1960s
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sharingdork5 days ago
Yes I meant civil rights movement sorry.
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HumansMustBeCrazy6 days ago
+2
That's because racism never exists by itself. It's often combined with classism and other forms of tribalism.
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Txizzy6 days ago
-8
Comparing marches against illegal immigration to f****** apartheid is incredibly out of touch
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+3
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Txizzy5 days ago
+1
Well it's listnook. What were you expecting? People on here are already saying South Africa, of all places, is becoming fascist for these marches.
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Farewell-Farewell6 days ago
+7
It's called an analogy.
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Txizzy6 days ago
-9
It's a pretty terrible analogy, that makes little sense.
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Common_Source_96 days ago
+83
God, the last apartheid government voluntarily giving up nuclear weapons might be one of the top 3 political decisions in the past few decades, in the whole world.
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NordicHorde25 days ago
+13
They would have been looted and sold off. Imagine a 9/11 style attack with a dirty bomb.
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cogitocool5 days ago
+17
If you live amongst someone long enough, you know exactly what they're capable of.
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OdeurInfame6 days ago
+90
Turn from a racist country with electricity to a racist country without electricity.
Glorious
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cyberianscribe6 days ago
+85
Black Lives Matter should open a branch in South Africa.
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Bratmon6 days ago
+67
To help the black South Africans beat the immigrants harder?
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Whole-Extension35616 days ago
+15
I don't think South Africa needs more rioting or real state fraud...
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UselessModeration6 days ago
+10
But what does Ja think about this?
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+3
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Bombi3sz6 days ago
+6
So is this xenophobia from White South Africans or black South Africans?
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Absurder2226 days ago
+79
Black African against immigrants africans, Its generally violence within the townships amongst black south africans against predominantly Zimbabwean and Nigerian migrants.
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Soft-Ingenuity22625 days ago
-6
So… is that actually racism? Is it labelled as racism because it involved black people? Is it racist to call racist hate between black peoples just because there’s black people involved? Inception type shit.
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finalina785 days ago
+7
All ’black people’ aren’t the same. There is a vast diversity.
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IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA6 days ago
+35
Black South Africans.
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NordicHorde25 days ago
Black. White South Africans are generally well off enough that they are insulated from the consequences of illegal immigration.
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Sybmissiv6 days ago
-6
Doesn’t matter I don’t reckon[EDIT : FORGOT LE COMMA]***,*** it is just plain old xenophobia.
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+14
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Sybmissiv5 days ago
+1
Exactly it doesn’t matter if it’s black or white South Africans either way they are being xenophobic.
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IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA6 days ago
+3
it is
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Sybmissiv5 days ago
+1
Yeah that’s what I said.
… OH I forgot a comma there.
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guineapigenjoyer1235 days ago
-3
A lot of white, Indians and coloureds don’t like immigration but it’s mostly black people protesting
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Poezenlover6 days ago
+41
Hilarious? It's just sad.
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crucibleknight776 days ago
-14
What if it’s neither? What if it just is what it is.
Edit: Listnook did not like this comment 😂
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fender_fan_boy5 days ago
+1
Comedy Shaman?
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hyper_espace6 days ago
+50
> African countries including Kenya, Malawi, Lesotho and Zimbabwe have warned migrants in South Africa to be cautious and remain indoors due to attacks targeting foreigners, and Ghana has lobbied the African Union regional bloc for action.
It isn't hilarious, African migrants are getting killed because they aren't south african. There are extremely violent countries in that world, and SA in on the violent side unfortunately.
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hamstringstring6 days ago
-15
I knew there'd be some self righteous proselytizing in the comments when I posted this.
It's funny because of the hypocrisy. A country that's entire success comes from it's oppressors, even South Africa is xenophobic against other African countries despite their decline. And South Africa has a higher crime rate than most of those mentioned but they still use the same xenophobic rhetoric as everyone else.
Yes, the world is tragic, but you have to celebrate the little joys. Like the laughs from this headline.
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hyper_espace6 days ago
+8
I don't read your point. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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SedesBakelitowy6 days ago
-9
Had you read his point you’d have known it’s not about right or wrong btw.
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hyper_espace5 days ago
+1
I read your point, I just disagree with the way you framed the situation. That's different.
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Wheeleei6 days ago
+1
Celebrate the little joy?
Feels like the only joy it provide you is that black people can be racist, which bigots love to argue when justifying their own racsism. I get no joy from nation that have been exploited by westerner for centuries still struggling with violent social issues to this day.
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hamstringstring6 days ago
+3
Of course black people can be racist, they're far more racist. Nothing to do with anything said though!
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tfy-cape-town6 days ago
Can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think anyone has been killed in these xenophobic protests.
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hyper_espace5 days ago
+1
> Can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think anyone has been killed in these xenophobic protests.
Not during the protests themselves but black foreigner workers have been murdered yes, because they are "stealing south African jobs", I mean that's the xenophobic reasoning.
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[deleted]5 days ago
+1
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Th3J4ck4l-SA5 days ago
+5
Quite far in the other direction?? Better go check to see if there are segregated living areas, and no opportunities for people of selected skin colours, or police brutality against specifc groups of people, oh wait, nope none of that.
Yes a poorly attempted and implemented system to try and quickly rectify the issues of the past, and corruption. But pendulum swinging far in the other direction, get lost.
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TraditionalLet31195 days ago
-1
What does this have to do with the article?
EDIT: Forgot to mention, as a white South African we're doing great here
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+3
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TraditionalLet31195 days ago
-5
Black people are being racist against black people and this means white people have no future in the country? The article is just about xenophobia...
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jcstay1235 days ago
Yha local elections are on its way so politicians fuel stuff like this to distract from the massive corruption and mismanagement. Look at history, it's never a good sign if a country turns on imagrants, legal or illegal, so hate to say it but the outlook for my home country,SA, isn't looking good.
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Hitmanx2x4 days ago
Nothing new.
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porktasti6 days ago
-19
I mean this stuff happens all over the world. It's just with certain countries, like India, you can lie, exaggerate and sensationalize about them on a global platform. That's why idiots think that Hindu is synonymous with "right wing" when people in India got sick of the left due to their separatist politics and them allowing China and Pakistan to meddle under the guise of "human rights".
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DragonLord17295 days ago
-9
Completely wrong place to bring this up. Your explicitly anti-Muslim username doesn't help either.
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porktasti5 days ago
-2
I mean it is right, since the reason some people are "surprised" that there are anti immigration/anti minority problems in most countries is because the news doesn't continuously report it. In India's case you get racists salivating over India's primitiveness and how "oppressive" we are simply because of the way the media portrays us. As for Muslims, why does bringing them up always bring a moral highground, do you think? It's because racists use their victim politics to put Hindus to immensely high standards to attack them. In this case everyone knows Muslim majority countries are far more intolerant towards religious minorities, but they know they are portrayed as "global victims" which makes them an easy route to attack Indians with.
By the way I wasn't even thinking about Muslims with my username.
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Fenty_Panther5 days ago
-2
Fxck all this. These people crying about South Africa being "Xenophobic" are doing the exact same if not worse to South Africans in their countries. But RSA must be painted like the bad guy, eh?! Double standards, if you ask me. Sies.
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Equivalent-One41393 days ago
-1
THIS! How come this isn't getting more media attention? Those xenophobic South Africans should be called out more!
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valamei4 days ago
-3
borders are just a more socially acceptable form of apartheid if you really think about it
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