After Finishing Dark Matter I Have Come to the Conclusion That Apple TV Truly Is the New Home of Sci-Fi

Seriously - there are three books left to cover!

Best sci Fi series ever. Book and show. I want the rest SO BAD

There is a 30 year time jump in the books after the TV ending. So i expect season 7 in 2052...

Avenue 5, my beloved, come home 

Bezos bought it from SciFi to save it because he loved the show. Amazon made some great TV then just put it back on a shelf.

What do you mean? We already have the prequel on Apple.

Unpopular opinion but they should redo the entire series from the beginning. The expanse is one of my favorite book series and I just couldn't get into the show at all, too different for me.

Do you want to know what happens to S*** Bin Laden**™** and Naomi's petulant teen son? Because I don't. The way it was going, The Expanse was two seasons too long.

Are they making it?!

I think Neuromancer is going to be tremendous too, seriously can’t wait

Definitely my favorite besides HBO. Their average quality is real good, for sure the best of the newer streamers, and the only one that comes close to HBO. But quantity is just much higher and pretty insane. Just compare their [current and upcoming shows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_TV_original_programming?wprov=sfla1) to like HBO or FX. Plus they actually renew middling shows to give them a chance, and even get expensive ones beyond season 3.

Many started out like this. I hope they don’t give up on them like Netflix does habitually

I kinda look at Apple TV shows kinda like I look at some HBO shows just to cut

I say the same thing all the time. 

God it's so f****** bad it's amazing..not even good bad either just BORING.

Apple seem more reluctant to cancel projects compared to others but Invasion is so ridiculously expensive that it must be bringing in great viewership every season, because I don't know why else they'd piss away so much money when they could use it for other projects.

It was such a f****** slog. No idea how it got three seasons.

Yep really garbage show. I got 3 episodes in and couldn’t get any further.

I struggled so hard to finish it. I only finished it because I'm someone who can't really stop once I've committed to something. Never again.

It sucks because it looked so good and is the perfect genre for me. Spoke to a friend though and he was adamant that I don’t waste my time with it.

Whenever I call I call out a tv show for being boring I get downvoted to oblivion.

Yeah it’s a AMC show. Weak

And Murder Bot Diaries!

And For All Mankind!

That Dark Matter was fantastic, and ended less than a decade ago. I realise this new one's based on a book, but I wish they'd chosen a different title, because it got my hopes up for a reboot....

I assumed the same until I got to your comment. Had no idea there was a new show with that name. Guess I’ll have to watch it now!

Personally I can vouch for: The Foundation Silo For All Mankind

Severance, Pluribus, and Shrinking are three of the best TV shows in recent memory. For All Mankind, Slow Horses, Ted Lasso are also great. Mythic Quest is also a personal favorite of mine.

Silo is pretty good, made me buy and read the books

Alright, so the main ones I'm familiar with are: * Severance: Thriller series following a highly classified team of workers whose brains have been partitioned so that they have completely separate identities in and out of work. * Pluribus: Made by the creator of Breaking Bad. All of humanity gets united into a hivemind except for one extremely irritable woman. * For All Mankind: Alternate history series where the Cold War-era space race continues. * Foundation: Pure space opera. A loose adaptation of Isaac Asimov's classic series about a galactic Dark Age. Uses a lot of sci-fi tropes to keep the same cast of actors while covering a timespan of centuries. * Murderbot: Space opera/cyberpunk. Adaptation of Martha Wells's series The Murderbot Diaries, about a corporate security robot that hacks its governor module and goes rogue, but is less interested in destroying all humans and more interested in watching TV and keeping its freedom a secret so it's not melted down for spare parts. There are others.

Author is heavily involved, so it’ll be continuing a story that he wants to tell. Bodes well. 

That show felt so uniquely up my alley. I'd be talking about it with friends and family while it was airing basically gushing about how unique and interesting it is and they'd always be like "sounds too weird for me". And I could never win the battle of "that's why it's so good!"

One of my favourite pilots and opening credits ever

Loved that show. Such a shame.

But they also have to be able to bring back the entire cast. It won't be the same if they have to eliminate characters cause the actor was unavailable, or recast them.

Give me a prequel. - people on earth start hearing a voice saying it is God - it gives them advanced tech with instructions to kill the non believers and create ships to go to a specific planet - the war unfolds between believers and non believers - enter the start of raised by wolves.

I just wish we got to know what Sol's plan was.

Apple doesn't have any (or has minimal) "background shows" that you just toss on and semi-ignore. Even putting aside other structural impediments to expanding their subscriber base, that's always going to be an issue. Their ambitions (because many shows don't hit the mark - and that's fine, healthy even) is to be an HBO-esque/prestige outlet

It's discussed here constantly.

/r/television and the occasional billboard is the only reason I know these shows exist.

Personally I feel like the desire for me to watch anything on the platform weaken over time. I’m just tired of watching wealthy people and their problems. I’m tired of A listers and their safe storyline’s. I understand that leaning into Hollywood gives them an air of legitimacy. But I’d rather more severance and murderbot. Rather than a boring, low stakes, highly predictable, very American plot line found in the Morning Show. Or jerking off noted pedophile supporter directors with a documentary about how amazing they are. Give me something a little more edgy and something a little less safe. Apple is great when try lean into the weird. I don’t know why they changed into something that thinks a show will be only good if they make another show filled with A listers. I don’t care about another show about the inner workings of Hollywood which is a thinly veiled circle jerk. I mean have you seen the greyhound. Tom hanks just stood there and looked stoic the whole time. Felt like he shot it in a weekend. Couldn’t tell you another characters name. Or even his characters name.

Apple TV is great in a world that already has Netflix and other choices. Those other services provide bulk viewing while Apple brings the quality but not quantity.

I think they've been doing okay, but I think their shows are wildly overrated. They all feel like they have the shape of an excellent show, like the copied HBO's homework, but they fall flat and one way or another. Outside of a couple, I've been disappointed by almost all of them with the overly high expectations

Constellation? I forget the name. I loved it

Haha I thought the same. Loved that show.

It is! Season two in August

Given how far they strayed from the source material in Foundation, there's no way that the noisier factions in the fandom would be happy.

That’s the rumor.

Hail Reaper

They’re rumored to be making it. Pierce is supervising the show development really tightly.

Also the author, Blake Crouch, is the writer and showrunner for the series. He's also helming a second season, which should certainly be interesting since it will go beyond the first (and only) book

I think if you've read the book, you'll get more out of the show, at least I did. I thought that pacing was kind of slow compared to the breakneck speed of the novel, but at the same time, I liked the fact the show fleshed out the side characters a lot more, so it was nice to explore people besides the main scientist dude. I thought that was one of the weaknesses of the novel, as even the scientist's family wasn't really that explored very much in detail, but you get to know about them in the show. The first season covers the entirety of the novel, and adds some stuff to help set up the second season.

Apple throws a lot less shit at the walls, but so much of it sticks more than any other streaming service.

Ohhhh I hope this is true

Severance, Silo & Pluribus are science fiction.

No they're not. They've just focused themselves rather than scattershotting everything like Netflix has to, because their models are different. Apple TV is Apple's side business. Restore goodwill with consumers so that they'll ignore $50 USB-C cables, $300 Apple service charges for a burnt transistor that a normal repair shop could do for $25 if they had the ability to purchase the parts, etc. Netflix on the other hand has to dip into everything and have little patience for new series that "underperform" in their first season, as its their whole business. Competition and quality driving that is great for the consumer, and I'm sure Apple is loving making Netflix look bad on the surface, but don't for a second let that trick you into thinking that Apple is somehow sinking the other big streamers. A quick google query of "Is Apple TV self sufficient as a business?" results in: >No, Apple TV+ is not currently self-sufficient as a standalone business, as it reportedly loses over $1 billion annually,. However, it is designed as a "loss leader" within Apple’s broader services portfolio to drive hardware sales, bolster the Apple One bundle, and enhance brand prestige, rather than to generate immediate, stand-alone profits.

lmao, I loved the OG Dark Matter. It’s a core memory show at this point

Tell me you don’t read the post without telling me you don’t read the post

Yeah parts of Foundation was just bad imo. I don’t get the glaze online at all

I skip the non-Cleon scenes.

Are we not allowed to post positively about anything?

The account doesn’t look like a bot at all.

You’re right, and your reward is downvotes.

Eh it's all opinion based so even though I disagree with you I suppose you aren't wrong. For me, For All Mankind alone put Apples Sci-Fi over anything Netflix puts out.

Maybe Apple can pick up The OA. Showrunners had 5 seasons in mind.