"another inmate eventually assisted McElroy in delivering a baby girl who was not breathing when she was born on the prison floor, as prison guards watched. The filing says two women housed in the same pod attempted to revive the newborn by removing mucus from her mouth and rubbing her until she finally cried."
The true MVP hope they give her a sentence reduction
EDIT: they were punished for helping "The complaint also alleges that, after the delivery, a guard told the women: “Y’all should’ve pushed that motherfucking baby back in” and punished the women on the cell block, prohibiting them from going outside and to religious services, and revoking phone privileges."
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Kalysta1 day ago
+1209
Those women also should file civil rights lawsuits
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Soggy_Bid_36341 day ago
+288
Didn’t you hear? Supreme Court says those don’t matter.
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potatersauce1 day ago
+114
Those old fucks in the Supreme Court don’t matter.
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Hot_Actuator9731 day ago
+45
I understand your sentiment but. . .
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joshuads1 day ago
+29
Really hard in prisons, especially in Alabama. This one has legs because there is physical evidence in the form of the child.
Watch the Alabama Solution. They cover everything up there, including probable guard murders of prisoners.
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la_winky1 day ago
+2321
Omg. This is horrific.
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BillButtlickerII1 day ago
+1930
This is America.
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MasterChiefsasshole1 day ago
+883
Conservative Christian values to the max
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steppe51 day ago
+332
I'm convinced that the more religious you are, the more awful you are as a person. It's not a direct correlation, but the trend line is fairly tight.
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CurlOfTheBurl111 day ago
+86
They think that praying absolves them of any bad behavior, that god forgives them so long as they go to church.
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JPtheGameMaster1 day ago
+113
I'll spare you the traumatic details, but my childhood life path went through a very broken foster and group home system, and your belief is in agreement with my direct empirical experience.
Not ALL the religious/spiritual people I passed through the hands of were bad, but all the worst were also the most religious.
Interestingly, my 14 year old whiter than white self ended up briefly in the care of a member of the Nation of Islam. Without any hyperbole, one of the best caregivers I ever had. If nothing else, he gave me insight into different world views and activism.
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ramentissue1 day ago
+53
You can buy stocks in US prisons. It is a business.
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SuperSaiyanTupac1 day ago
+107
It is true. They got caught slipping up
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completelyboring11 day ago
+59
Don't catch you birthin' now.
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Appropriate_Cow941 day ago
+46
Sounds like normal American prison system based on my experience.
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machama1 day ago
+203
We all know these guards voted to "mAkE aMeRiCa GrEaT aGaIN."
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digitalmofo1 day ago
+38
"Prison isn't supposed to be fun"
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spqrnbb1 day ago
+168
Throw that guard under the jail.
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Elgato011 day ago
+40
Too light a punishment, way too light
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atlantagirl300841 day ago
+505
Well they showed how ineffective the guards were. Can’t do that.
Also, dumbass: birth is *one way*.
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onemorelightgoesout1 day ago
+122
Wanted the baby to be delivered by the Rose* Kennedy birth method.. Oof
Edit *Not jacky
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Probablynotspiders1 day ago
+47
Rosemary Kennedy
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atlantagirl300841 day ago
+118
I think you’re thinking of Rose Kennedy’s birth of Rosemary. The nurses held Rose’s knees together for *2 hours*. Likely Rosemary got brain damage and subsequently that caused her father to get her a lobotomy.
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noscreamsnoshouts1 day ago
+69
What the f*** was their reasoning?? Yes, yes: [according to Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy) "the doctor was not immediately available because of an outbreak of the Spanish influenza epidemic" - but did they really think a birth canal is a good place to temporarily hold a baby??
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atlantagirl300841 day ago
+128
They might not have thought about it or the doctor would have been angry if he wasn’t there to deliver.
And this has happened recently. A woman in Alabama had basically all her birth plans canceled by the nurses. She wanted to give birth on her hands and knees and they forcibly moved her to her back, held her down, and tried to force the baby back in. Again, because the doctor wasn’t there. The woman developed permanent , debilitating nerve pain. She sued the hospital and won millions.
https://www.al.com/living/2016/08/malatesta_opens_up_about_birth.html
I think the doctor thing is that doctors would tell nurses to not let women give birth when just the nurses were there because the doctor wanted to bill. Probably the same reason the AL case happened.
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noscreamsnoshouts1 day ago
+56
Wtf.... that's horrifying.. :-(
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auntie_1 day ago
+33
The horrifying thing is that this story is one of many. You would be shocked to hear how quickly women lose autonomy when they are pregnant. The closer they are to giving birth, the more autonomy they lose.
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MeowCatPlzMeowBack1 day ago
+37
Reading that article was such a horror show. I’m genuinely surprised the baby both survived and didn’t have brain damage due to lack of oxygenation. I have some mild brain damage due to similar issues, where my mom was actually told to cross her legs and get in a position to avoid me coming out, they did this even as my heart was clearly struggling on the monitor. I was born blue and not breathing. Apparently they needed to use a baby defibrillator on me twice before I came back. Again, all because the doctor wasn’t there. Unfortunately, these kind of horror stories are shockingly prevalent.
As someone who experiences extreme pelvic pain whose sex life has been destroyed (though thankfully improved somewhat), this kind of pain is something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy
I think this sort of thing just gives a lot of credence that most societies just genuinely hate woman, especially during vulnerable moments of birth, even though every single person on this planet has the same origins. It’s difficult to see these things and prevent oneself from falling into nihilism
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atlantagirl300841 day ago
+16
I mean look at twilight sleep. They literally drugged women with scopolamine so they wouldn’t remember how awful birth was.
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MeowCatPlzMeowBack1 day ago
+13
Yeah, and if I remember right, I think it was early feminists trying to make it more standard attempting to get some form of pain relief for women— albeit flawed.
Before it was touted that painful birth was just punishment for Eve’s original sin or whatever and not the fact we have huge as f*** heads 😑
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ShiraCheshire1 day ago
+54
My guess is that he just didn’t want to deal with there being a baby, or possibly didn’t think this woman should have the right to reproduce. He wanted the baby to die.
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VanessaAlexis1 day ago
+57
You know who forced women to not give birth? Nazis. Literally. Those guards are insane.
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KimJongFunk1 day ago
+449
This is pro-life culture at its finest.
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UrsusRenata1 day ago
+93
There is no pro-life culture. It’s pro-control culture.
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viperfan71 day ago
+72
It's pro-r***
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oneeighthirish1 day ago
+84
It's a death cult. The same people who are virulent anti-abortion activists are the same people who want to cause armageddon because they literally believe that Israel eradicating the Arabs of the Levant is the necessary first step towards the rapture. I wish I was making this up.
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in_animate_objects1 day ago
+48
It really is.
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Warcraft_Fan1 day ago
+24
Hope the city suffers huge financial loss and causes local taxpayer to revolt and demand prison changes.
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Almainyny1 day ago
+80
That guard’s mother should have aborted him. What a waste of a human.
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PM_ME_YOUR__VAGINAS1 day ago
+17
Yeah cause that's how it works... Just push it back in.. Wtf??!!
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kittenman1 day ago
+27
Sounds like from a post apocalyptic movie.
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Helpful_Top78231 day ago
+9
Disturbingly cruel & yet unsurprising
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kristospherein1 day ago
+29
The lack of humanity is a feature. And the leaders in these states call themselves Christians.
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avatinfernus1 day ago
+4760
Wow.. the lack of empathy is...off the charts
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wavinsnail1 day ago
+3718
My cousin is a prison guard. He's one of the worst and dumbest people I know
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gggg_4_l1 day ago
+854
I have a dumb horrible uncle who's a CO and he's also one of the worst and dumbest people I know!
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Amazing_Bluejay93221 day ago
+532
My cousin was a good natured dude before he became a CO at Rikers Island many years ago. It only took 6 years for him to lose his wife, home and everything they were working towards. He just went semi-evil somehow. He eventually quit and over time recovered.
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mytransthrow1 day ago
+307
Goes to show you Police and the gaurds in the legal system are totally fucked off the planet and we need major reform. and body c*** in the prisons too.
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rich10514141 day ago
+91
The sad part is, it's inevitable. That's why we must have 'watchers watching the watchers'. Prisons concentrate the worst kinds of people. That inevitably will rub off on guards and cause a very unhealthy prison guard culture to form if not watched and kept grounded.
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Kitchen_Roof72361 day ago
+40
This. It’s easy to become a piece of shit if you’re dealing with scumfucks a lot of the time, not excusing it but it’s not like you just magically become a shitty person when you sign up to be a glorified adult babysitter lol
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RainbowCrane1 day ago
+192
The Stanford prison study is probably over-referenced, but the moral injury caused by the job is a real thing. I have a relative who was a military guard at Abu Graibh where they famously were torturing prisoners, he’s worked really hard to overcome the harm in addiction recovery but it’s not possible to completely come back from that
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rkoy12341 day ago
+60
regardless of the veracity/ethics of the study, I feel that people just often overestimate their own moral fortitudes to be much stronger than they actually are.
most people can and will corrupt with power or when given enough incentives - and those who think they can never do wrong are usually the easiest ones to corrupt.
first step to not becoming a monster is to realize that anyone, including yourself, can easily become one.
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adventurekiwi1 day ago
+29
Word. And when combined with the implicaations of another dodgy study (Milgram) you also have the challenge of going up against the authority and/or the majority.
"Would you do X?" is one thing in isolation, but "Would you do X if everyone around you was normalising it and getting on your arse for not participating and you might lose your job if you don't and also you can dilute responsibility amongst the rest of the group?" is another beast entirely.
It takes a particularly robust disposition to resist the latter.
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Automatic_Release_921 day ago
+13
Yeah, I remember working a job back in college, it was a family run liquor, old school inventory system, nothing digital, despite it being a good 20 years past when it really should have been digital lol. I liked it because it was far away from campus in a college town, so rarely all that busy. I could do my homework while working there generally.
The family that ran it had oil money and was kind of stupid rich… like literally. They were nice enough people, but did all kinds of dumb shit you cannot do while running a business, like the dad of the family/owner would go through the drive through and ask me to pull $60 from the till so he could go watch a movie with his wife. His grown daughter was the main manager, so I would tell him “at least write a damn note, so when she’s going through the receipts and cash in the register, my ass isn’t getting in trouble” and so he’d grumble and do it. Not that I probably needed to bother, because they were terrible about tracking any of that shit… like at all.
Employees were just buying food, having it delivered and paid for it from the register. Hooking up free beer to their buddies, sometimes even giving them “change” despite the fact that they obviously never even paid lol. No one was taking large amounts, but everyone was taking some.
I did the whole “pay for food from the register” bit in front of some of them once or twice so I didn’t look like a narc or anything lol. I also hooked some friends up with the employee d******* all the time, but hell even the owners knew that and were cool with it. Finally one worker there did get waaaay too greedy and wound up stealing tens of thousands of dollars from them before they finally wised up and managed to get charges on her. I’m glad I struck a middle ground up there, because they cracked down hard and busted a couple of other workers in the process too, but I was in the clear.
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GunFodder1 day ago
+79
I knew a guy in the Army who was mind-bogglingly stupid (which was saying something). I cracked a joke about the guards at Abu Ghraib and this marshmallow a****** tried to put on his "I am an angry tough guy" face and said, "Hey, I was a guard there!" and tried to stare me down. I just laughed at him.
That guy went on to blow through every paycheck and owed money to nearly everyone in the company so he could buy the dumbest shit. One time he was talking about installing a portable DVD player in the dash of his truck, and when I asked why, he looked at me like *I* was the idiot.
"Well, DUH... so I can watch movies while I drive!"
Him and some others in his company (including the XO and First Sergeant) were getting investigated for selling gear on eBay (lol), and he was the first one the investigators caught, so he immediately flipped. But when this "star witness" of theirs popped hot for cocaine and went AWOL, the investigation fizzled, and everyone just sort of got quietly moved around.
Hadn't thought about him in years until you mentioned your relative being a guard at Abu Ghraib.
That mother f***** never returned my Kill Bill dvd before he ran. 😑
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pineapplestuffing1 day ago
+564
I also have a terrible, dumb cousin who was a prison guard.
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AspectVegetable76741 day ago
+62
Eagle River!
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_Ocean_Machine_1 day ago
+34
On the application they ask if you’re dumb and sociopathic and if you have the mental capacity to understand the question they throw your application out.
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couldbemage1 day ago
+265
Had a coworker who was a former guard.
Not stupid. Generally competent worker.
But if you got him going he'd tell you all about his ideal society where he was a warlord/dictator and how he'd have slave camps and a how women would all be property, etc. All sorts of dark stuff from the worst parts of history. The sort of guy that thought idi amin was a cool dude.
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skankyferret1 day ago
+71
Jesus f****** christ
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atlantagirl300841 day ago
+62
Holy shit. He needs to be put on a watchlist.
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Minimum-Avocado-96241 day ago
+82
Being a prison guard is either a profession that attracts maniacs or it slowly leeches it away from you in order to mentally cope with having to oppress humans everyday and collect a paycheck from it. Prisons are death camps and USA has never had a problem with them because people “broke the law”. Honestly it’s not the inmates faults. They should have chosen to be republicans congressman
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necromancerunion1 day ago
+50
This is so true. The industry with the most violence causes upticks of violence elsewhere too. Case in point, slaughterhouses. They have 22% higher arrest rate and 166% increase arrests for r***. Military also has way higher rates of arrest and violent crimes/sex crimes.
Look at the [\[Federal Correctional Institution in Dublin, California\]](https://www.google.com/search?q=Federal+Correctional+Institution+in+Dublin%2C+California+the+r***+club&sca_esv=b3ca9c57de57aa89&hl=en&biw=2097&bih=1035&sxsrf=ANbL-n6ExbWLKuP__SkCXjud-XL03n5ddA%3A1778718682275&ei=2hcFaoizENC5wN4P75bK6Aw&ved=0ahUKEwiIiNm5w7eUAxXQHNAFHW-LEs0Q4dUDCBI&uact=5&oq=Federal+Correctional+Institution+in+Dublin%2C+California+the+r***+club&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiREZlZGVyYWwgQ29ycmVjdGlvbmFsIEluc3RpdHV0aW9uIGluIER1YmxpbiwgQ2FsaWZvcm5pYSB0aGUgcmFwZSBjbHViSJEYUPMSWLsWcAN4AJABAJgBaqAB5QKqAQMzLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgCgAgCYAwCIBgGSBwCgB7YHsgcAuAcAwgcAyAcAgAgB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) if you want your blood to boil. Also [\[link\]](https://www.businessinsider.com/over-100-prison-employees-arrested-convicted-crimes-since-2019-2021-11):
>The AP found that while federal prison workers only account for less than a third of the Justice Department workforce, they've accounted for two-thirds of criminal cases coming out of the Justice Department.
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salientoctopus1 day ago
+18
I’d say it was unfortunate if it wasn’t intentional that the prisons are often in poor rural areas and are the best paying jobs around. I considered it for a time when my life was upended but I luckily found another path. The friendliest guy I knew as a kid is now nothing like his former self and a grumpy old dentist I knew picked up a job in one(as a dentist) after retiring and he quit as soon as his first contract was up. He wouldn’t go into detail but mentioned the way they treat the inmates as the reason he left.
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Coffee_And_Bikes1 day ago
+8
He needs to be put in an obituary.
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frogkisses-1 day ago
+11
My job will occasionally get COs apply and work here and every single one has had to be escorted off the premises after they get fired (all under a week) because they are aggressive and unstable. Just a small pattern I have noticed.
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djsoomo1 day ago
+9
Was his name -
Donald, by any chance?
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Saillux1 day ago
+15
I think there's a lot of these people and it seems like they all figured out how to spot each other in the last 45 years.
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WaluigiIsTheRealHero1 day ago
+71
Cousin was married to a dumbshit prison guard. He drove drunk and died in a single-vehicle motorcycle crash. It was wild seeing the family pretend he was a saint.
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MrLanesLament1 day ago
+62
A guy quit being a CoreCivic guard and applied at my company. He had his last schedule with him; they’d scheduled him for 112 hours in one week. (This is 16 hour shifts every day with no days off.)
The actual reason he quit was because he wrecked his car falling asleep driving home after working more 12s and 16s in a row than he could actually recall.
Obviously, I’m not gonna say “feel bad for the poor prison guards.” My point is, the lack of humanity throughout this entire system, public or private, is immeasurable.
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American_PissAnt1 day ago
+14
I read a book where the author went undercover as a Corrections Corporation of America, now known as Core-civic, guard. The training was one week of watching training videos. The background check was non-existent; There even was a felon in his hiring group. Only 10% of his group were still there after a month. After 2 months they were wanting to make the author a supervisor, but his cover got blown and he had to quit.
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_Ocean_Machine_1 day ago
+20
Shit rolls downhill, as they say
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nicholsml1 day ago
+42
> My cousin is a prison guard.
My best friend from my army days was a prison guard. He did not do the job long. He treated the inmates like people and generally tried to help and be a good person... he eventually couldn't take the stuff he saw other people doing who worked at the prison. He quit the job without a two weeks notice or anything, just one day he woke up and couldn't do it anymore.
He talks about it sometimes. He was surrounded by co-workers who were cruel and literally did not give a f***. He felt hopeless and no mater what he did, he couldn't change the system. We served in afghanistan together and we both decided to get out after and he said even all the bad shit we saw happening in the army, he said the prison was worse, way worse.
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GenericUsername15611 day ago
+22
Yeah I have family members who worked in corrections. The one thing they all agreed on about the job was that the worst people they dealt with were their coworkers.
…And one of the family members saying that was almost killed in a riot, so that tells you a lot.
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Cat_Peach_Pits1 day ago
+36
You know what saddens me? There's one prison guard I know, a giant guy in his 50s, and he's like a giant giggling girl who blushes if you make a dirty joke. Idk if he code switches and is a d*** on the inside or if his size keeps him from having to, but he would have made an amazing kindergarten teacher. Instead he has to bro around with dumb assholes all day, and Im sure theyre a terrible influence. What a waste.
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AnnoyedOwlbear1 day ago
+13
I have a friend who is not a guard, but is more of a therapist-psychologist type in prisons. From talking to her, there seems to be a small (but so f****** vital) group of people who work in prisons who view their role as: Helping rehabilitate people so they can rejoin the community.
The only problem is we need about 1000x of those, and almost none of the other type. And we need to train and pay them properly too.
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Jaydamic1 day ago
+87
I know a prison guard. He's the most unhinged, prone to explosive outbursts, d***** canoe person I've ever known
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JaronJervis1 day ago
+82
it's almost like Prisons, police depts ect, purposely hire dumb mother fuckers who will blindly do whatever they are told, or worse whatever comes to their sick minds.
Stupid people, which are growing in very high numbers in America, are being given way too much power.
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non_Beneficial-Wind1 day ago
+29
That and the military. Take orders, no questions.
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DeputyDipshit6191 day ago
+18
I knew someone in lockup that had a co hassle them all the time. Dude was a little nuts and decided he'd finally had it with the guard so he saved up all his shit in a pillowcase for a couple days, pissed on it and smacked the guy in the face with the piss soaked shit bag.
Eventually it will come around to bite them in the ass.
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zzx1011 day ago
+59
To be fair smart people would probably just get a different job.
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throwaway471381 day ago
+16
I was on a jury where one of the witnesses for the defense was the defendant's prison guard sister, and she was the most UNcredible person I've ever heard. I didn't believe a single word that came out of her mouth, including 'a', 'an' and 'the'. I still don't understand how that's even possible linguistically, but it's the absolute truth!
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SucksTryAgain1 day ago
+29
My brother in law is a cop and sounds just like your cousin. We have no idea how he’s even a cop. At family events he brags about breaking the law and when we’re like wtf man he’s like oh no it’s ok cause I’m a cop. We’re like yea we know and that’s the problem.
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lace84021 day ago
+11
My BIL is a corrections officer. Total a******. I'm sure he's worse at work.
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graycomforter1 day ago
+10
A kid who molested me when I was in 6th grade and he was in 8th grade was a prison guard for a bit. I almost called the prison to tell them but I figured being a raging pervert might be the reason they hired him. (He’s not employed in that field anymore, per Facebook).
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EmbarrassedW33B1 day ago
+38
Yes they intentionally build prisons in low income, low education areas both because they can easily find people like this (low education/empathy) to employ as guards and it also keeps the facility out sight and mind of pearl clutching nimby types who don't wanna confront these systemic issues.
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Northern-Canadian1 day ago
+24
I’d wager building away from nimby neighbourhoods has the added benefit of being away from oversight/awareness from neighbours.
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guiltycitizen1 day ago
+14
Prison guards: too fat for the army, too dumb to be a cop
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TopazTriad1 day ago
+424
Guards are even worse than cops. I had the misfortune of spending a weekend in holding when I was younger, and they treated me like a f****** animal.
I wasn’t even charged with anything, let alone serving a sentence. I can only imagine how bad it is for people they know won’t be seeing the outside world (able to report them) for a long time.
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CharZero1 day ago
+272
I think most prison guards wanted to be cops, but were too dumb or too flawed in some other way to get that job. This is the next best thing for the real dregs.
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kindasfck1 day ago
+49
It's worse than that. In California, all county officers start their career as jail/prison guards so they have to deal with the worst people. Helps condition them to see the public that way.
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thescarlettflame1 day ago
+79
Which is so bad considering some of the people that do end up becoming cops.
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bang_the_drums1 day ago
+24
That's how my cousin ended up there. He failed out of the police academy like 3 times and they told him not to come back so he became a guard. He's exactly the type of person you'd expect to was out of the police academy and become a guard. We don't talk anymore.
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OpheliaRainGalaxy1 day ago
+55
When my older cousin bit me in a drunken rage, I didn't call the cops. Because he's got kids who are young enough to still love him, and last time officials got involved he nearly died of diabetic ketoacidosis on the jailhouse floor.
The other humans were begging and pleading for medical help for him, while the guards mocked him about "shouldn't do drugs har har."
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kingtacticool1 day ago
+19
Screws are just wannabe cops that couldn't pass the psych evaluation
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stoic_spaghetti1 day ago
+211
they only hire the dumbest people for these positions—most of who themselves are just as guilty of criminal behavior, but simply haven't been caught or snitched on yet
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purple_plasmid1 day ago
+52
I had to do a small stint in jail in my early 20s, the guards would often talk about getting together and snorting cocaine.
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Pleasant_Expert_19901 day ago
+14
For a human yes. For a prison guard, this is a Tuesday
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TrumpIsAPedoFascist1 day ago
+9
Welcome to America.
Didn't you hear, empathy is weakness.
/s
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TheRealTexasGovernor1 day ago
+10
It's by design, make no mistake. It's not accidental that they jail people for "risking the life of the baby", it's so they can officially treat pregnancy as the punishment moreso than it already is.
This is exactly what the pro-life side has been expecting and we all f****** told them would happen and they are totally fine with it.
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bachompchewychomp1 day ago
+561
I just read the filed lawsuit. Wow, I have seen and heard some shit in my life, but this is definitely up there. I hope all of these Sheriff's Deputies, the jail LPN, the jail physician, and, yes, even the deputy that tried to help but stopped because she was scared she "would get fired" all get what's coming to them in the worst possible way.
[https://www.pregnancyjusticeus.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Tiffany-McElroy-AL-complaint.pdf](https://www.pregnancyjusticeus.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Tiffany-McElroy-AL-complaint.pdf)
Don't click and read if you don't want your blood pressure to rise.
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Appropriate-Ring64041 day ago
+197
The women detained with her absolutely were harmed as well and deserve compensation from the callous system that failed so completely.
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Tight-Shallot24611 day ago
+27
This shit keeps happening because people get compensated but the punishment for the people who do the crimes isn't harsh enough
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sauchlapf1 day ago
+35
Arrested her for allegedly endangering her baby because of drug consumption and than try to kill her and the baby by not only not helping but actively make her do stuff that hurt her and her baby and basically torturing her during active labor....wow.
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adenosine-51 day ago
+30
USA is really a nightmarish country these days.
And that was under the previous administration.
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Samski8771 day ago
+2558
Ignoring a pregnant woman asking for medical help until she gives birth alone on a jail floor should be career ending for everyone involved. The most disturbing part is that cases like this only become national news when something goes catastrophically wrong which makes you wonder how many similar incidents never get attention at all.
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Such_sights1 day ago
+978
It happens a lot more than you’d think, [unfortunately.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pregnant-women-babies-endure-inhumane-conditions-jails-rcna241871)
The story I think about most often is a woman who went into labor in her cell and was told she was just “playing games” while she screamed in pain for hours. She had to start shoving blood and vaginal tissue under the door of her cell to get the guards to take her to the hospital.
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Redheaded_Potter1 day ago
+301
Someone I knew went into preterm labor and the baby died. The jail charged her for her pregnant snacks and vitamins!
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fevered_visions1 day ago
+31
and that was before they killed Roe v Wade I assume :(
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MacAttacknChz1 day ago
+13
According to the article, after Roe was overturned Alabama passed a law that allows for jailing pregnant women who use illegal substances. While it's heartbreaking when babies are born addicted to drugs, these laws cause pregnant addicts to forgo treatment and increases the likelihood of death or complications for the baby and mother. This is what happens when you have a system that prioritizes vengeance over justice. These people would shot a bullet straight through a baby just to kill their mother.
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P3pp3rSauc31 day ago
+754
My mom died in police custody, begging for medical attention or to be taken to the hospital. They also denied her the heart meds she had in her purse when she was arrested. There's no lengths that these people won't go through to see someone suffer.
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ProjectFantastic10451 day ago
+225
I wish you healing.
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P3pp3rSauc31 day ago
+238
That's very sweet of you, thank you. It happened back in 2019 and I attended counseling for 7 years afterward. It never stops hurting, but some days are better than others.
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ProjectFantastic10451 day ago
+67
I cannot begin to imagine. You’re courageous for getting yourself help to push through that loss and betrayal.
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Daidis1 day ago
+11
I wish the police what they deliver to others
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nicunta1 day ago
+70
I had a friend die in police custody, and it wasn't even on the news until I called the tv stations, demanding to know why it hadn't been covered in nearly 72 hours. It was on that night!
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GladysSchwartz231 day ago
+51
I'm so, so sorry. Those people are monsters.
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Original_Dream71211 day ago
+55
The other commenter wished you healing. I wish you vengeance.
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P3pp3rSauc31 day ago
+87
As much as I'd love to see the sick fucks pay, there was an ongoing lawsuit against the police from her widower. That put a big f****** target on his back, and he wound up in prison before the lawsuit could commence. I'd rather be free and spread awareness than ending up in a similar situation. Having said that, thank you.
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ConfessSomeMeow1 day ago
+39
That sounds like another truck full of "should have been career ending" BS. Wow....
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dmode1123781 day ago
+28
I’m very sorry for your loss.
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ChefCurryYumYum1 day ago
+147
There are cases, not from decades ago, recent cases, where guards have beaten inmates so badly they died from their injuries and still they kept their jobs.
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alison_bee1 day ago
+29
That happened several times in Alabama last year!
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bluelily2161 day ago
+84
My sister was in jail (in Texas, no less) when a cell mate almost died. Her water broke, and they did nothing. Then she started to bleed, and they did nothing. Eventually, once she passed out, they sent her to the ER. She barely made it. Her baby didn't.
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alison_bee1 day ago
+41
Alabama currently has a REAL bad problem with inmates dying in custody… they’re one of the states with the highest inmate mortality rate.
It’s a tragic and shocking thing to read about, and one of MANY things wrong with the way this state is run.
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ThatKinkyLady1 day ago
+18
Nah, the most disturbing part is that even when these things DO become national news, nothing changes.
There's some outrage on social media, and then it just fades away until it happens again. Rinse and repeat.
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averyrdc1 day ago
+29
Career ending? These people need to be imprisoned.
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Cyr7en1 day ago
+67
I can't imagine doing this. This is pure evil honestly. You need to be some psycho.
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kittenmittens48651 day ago
+26
I know this is a story about women’s prisons, but I can’t recommend the HBO documentary film The Alabama Solution enough. It’s a tough but important watch about men’s prison conditions.
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terrymr1 day ago
+17
They ignore everybody who asks for medical help.
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Anneisabitch1 day ago
+394
It’s not even the first time something like this has happened. Another baby was born in that same jail on the bathroom floor.
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blackweebow1 day ago
+117
Alabama is the scum of all states, so Alabama prisons must be hell on f****** earth.
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why2k1 day ago
+33
When Alabama banned abortions it was because nobody wanted to be f****** born there.
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Blossom731 day ago
+851
[The complaint also alleges that, after the delivery, a guard told the women: “Y’all should’ve pushed that motherfucking baby back in” and punished the women on the cell block, prohibiting them from going outside and to religious services, and revoking phone privileges.
Absolutely evil.
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purple_plasmid1 day ago
+310
Isn’t it illegal to revoke access to religious services? I thought that was a first amendment guarantee
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UselessInsight1 day ago
+209
It depends but generally yes, prisons have to make reasonable accommodations for inmates’ religious practices.
Good luck enforcing it in Alabama though.
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AN0NY_MOU5E1 day ago
+39
I would have thought religious services would have been a requirement in Alabama
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AncientSith1 day ago
+20
They don't care about prisoners like most of the country.
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Soft_Interest_61711 day ago
+32
Not a Yankee but it seems like your authorities don't give a single flying f*** about your constitution, or amendments.... Or human rights, decency, or morals.
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purple_plasmid1 day ago
+20
This is correct
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Low_Pickle_1121 day ago
+41
I can't wait to hear all the outrage from the pro-religion, pro-baby side of the political alignment.
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Blossom731 day ago
+18
Good question.
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Toucanplaythatgame-21 day ago
+18
Inmates don't get to have rights, apparently.
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Zapdo0dlz1 day ago
+40
That guards are allowed to mistreat people like this is just abhorrent. When people are at their most vulnerable in need of medical care they take pleasure in denying them. And then they go home to their…. Families??
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ArbitraryMeritocracy1 day ago
+28
>Oct. 2, 2021
>Alabama to use Covid rescue funds to build prisons
Despite criticism, state officials praise the decision as “the right thing for Alabama to do."
>MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Amid a national debate over the use of pandemic relief funds, Alabama lawmakers swiftly approved a plan Friday to tap $400 million from the American Rescue Plan to help build two super-size prisons, brushing off criticism from congressional Democrats that the money was not intended for such projects.
>The Alabama Legislature gave final approval to the $1.3 billion prison construction plan, and to a separate bill to steer $400 million of the state’s $2.1 billion from the rescue funds to pay for it.
>With legislative leaders standing behind her, Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey signed the bills into law soon afterward. The Republican called the construction plan “a major step forward” for the prison system, which faces various federal court orders and a lawsuit from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>“This is a pivotal moment for the trajectory of our state’s criminal justice system,” Ivey said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-use-covid-rescue-funds-build-prisons-n1280624
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TauCabalander1 day ago
+108
Wait ... she was in prison for unborn endangerment, but the staff endangered the birth and aren't being charged?
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FluxKraken1 day ago
+42
The "Pro-Life" party strikes again.
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seaworks1 day ago
+242
Alabama.
> another inmate eventually assisted McElroy in delivering a baby girl who was not breathing when she was born on the prison floor, as prison guards watched. The filing says two women housed in the same pod attempted to revive the newborn by removing mucus from her mouth and rubbing her until she finally cried.
remember this image. when this young woman and her baby were in distress, the men and women allegedly tasked with her safety- with *public* safety- stood by while incarcerated people performed life-saving interventions in a cold jail cell.
Might as well be the new image of Christ in the manger.
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princessannalee1 day ago
+84
And the unit went into lockdown and lost privileges because they helped her. No rec, no religious services, no phone calls.
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HandrewJobert1 day ago
+49
And then they were punished for helping.
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mikeholczer1 day ago
+152
So the state puts her jail because they think she endangered her fetus, and as a result endanger her and the baby.
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run851 day ago
+342
In jail because she was accused of substance abuse while pregnant. Then, this is how she is treated while pregnant and giving birth. Wow, Alabama cares so much about babies!
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AndromedanPrince1 day ago
+59
theyd prob rather the baby die so they can get the charges to stick.
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pcapdata1 day ago
+113
That’s “Pro Life” conservatives for you … you see, the mother was subhuman trash to them, and to them she deserves to be punished by losing her baby or her life. They don’t actually think about the child at all.
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Willing_Image19331 day ago
+62
Top comments will be about the lack of empathy...
the county jail and prison systems of alabama mississippi, and georgia are seriously deranged
the attitudes of the guards who manage to maintain employment in these hellholes range from callous to psychotic
nothing about this article surprises me, the propaganda in the south is strong and in general the public will make excuses and blame the woman for being on drugs in the first place
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dannyb_prodigy1 day ago
+59
> McElroy, who was being held on charges stemming from an allegation of substance use during pregnancy
So her alleged crime was essentially “endangering a fetus” and Alabama in its wisdom and justice decided the proper punishment was to further endanger the fetus by forcing this woman to give birth in a prison without appropriate medical care and assistance?
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No-Celebration30971 day ago
+248
Another instance of the absolute hypocrisy known as “pro life”.
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killfire41 day ago
+79
They conflate pro-life with pro-birth, which is what they actually are. Pro-life is implicitly pro-human. Not seeing many humane attributes with these people.
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smthomaspatel1 day ago
+30
This is pro-birth to an extreme. Not even caring if it's stillborn. Too many stories like this coming from red states.
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URSAxMINOR1 day ago
+76
I read the article and What the f***, There is no excuse for this. Seriously, I hope she gets everything she's owed. I hope there's no administrative leave. I hope there's corporate negligence and the initial guards get prison time.
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Kalysta1 day ago
+29
How is leaving a mother to possibly die without medical attention protecting the rights of the fetus? Someone explain this to me.
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SuckerForNoirRobots1 day ago
+28
So she was in jail for putting her baby in danger...and then left in a situation that put her baby in danger. That makes *total* sense.
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barbieq681 day ago
+18
I was told red states love the unborn?!
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EvieeBrook1 day ago
+20
Wait, she was being held on charges of substance abuse during pregnancy??? holy shit that’s draconian
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Mper5261 day ago
+17
That was my thought. I’m a mandated reporter because of my profession and we don’t report to DCFS for that. Let alone the f****** police. People need treatment in those circumstances, not incarceration.
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brydeswhale1 day ago
+16
People eat that shit up. Meanwhile, as someone who ACTUALLY works with kids who were exposed to drugs in utero, what actually helps is a safe, nonjudgmental environment.
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Defiant-Scholar-7931 day ago
+49
I wish there was a way for people to pay for their crimes. Maybe some sort of.....legal system to....punish wrongdoers, and to....hold people accountable, so we learn as a human race and grow?
Nahhhhhh cant have that, let a woman give birth on the prison floor.
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Intelligent-Grand9561 day ago
+16
A very smart, gentle, small and sweet person I once knew was held in downtown LA jail over the weekend for a driving violation. He claimed those in charge beat him and hurt his head. No one was ever held accountable, but the victim was never the same again. It’s frightening what happens to people in these places, and equally frightening how everyone in charge looks the other way.
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orthodoxscouter1 day ago
+135
Let me guess, private for-profit prison that gives kickbacks to the politicians in that state?
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apricot-pancakes1 day ago
+155
County jail being run by murderously sanctimonious Bible Belt shitstains.
*Pregnancy Justice, who also handled that case, said it showed “a disturbing pattern of inhumane treatment” for pregnant women in the state who are held on Chemical Endangerment of a Child charges for alleged drug use.*
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Chicken_Ingots1 day ago
+34
From my own city in Alabama, since July of last year, three of our cops have been arrested on DUI charges, one on assault charges (pepper spray), one on kidnapping charges, one for using his position for personal gain, and one on charges of abusing and torturing a child. It really shows the moral and upstanding character of our criminal justice system /s.
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orthodoxscouter1 day ago
+55
Let me guess, run by so-called "Pro-lifers"?
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apricot-pancakes1 day ago
+24
I mean, I guess that label wouldn’t technically apply here since they seemed quite eager for both mother *and* child to die, but I’m sure they vomit a lot of shit about sanctity and such, when they’re not going on about how junkies are a waste of space.
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frankhadwildyears1 day ago
+19
I don't think it was a private prison. The article says it was a county jail.
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atlantagirl300841 day ago
+27
People often are treated worse at county jails. See: Joe Arpaio’s tent city. That was a county jail.
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WhoaHeyAdrian1 day ago
+14
I had to stop listening to the public radio Chicago podcast about the prison death of Princola Shields, who was left to die in a prison shower. 'Sick' (Season 2) is the podcast by WFYI.
What a travesty of justice and I'm sorry and outraged this happened.
Condolences to her family, friends, community.
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Human_Ad79461 day ago
+45
"McElroy, who was being held on charges stemming from an allegation of substance use during pregnancy, ..."
That's why she was put in jail. How cruel.
So she's put in jail to keep her fetus safe, and this is what they do. They dont care about babies, they just hate women.
F*** these people.
Edited because I'm getting angrier as I think about it.
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alkiet1 day ago
+35
An ALLEGATION... SO THERE WERE * PENDING * CHARGES WHERE SHE WAS NOT FOUND TO BE GUILTY !
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IOl0I0lO1 day ago
+14
> “I tried to help her, but I was told I was going to be fired if I did help her, so I could not assist,” Youngblood told the outlet.
You should’ve chosen to be fired.
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Fantastic_Acadian1 day ago
+12
"According to the complaint, another inmate eventually assisted McElroy in delivering a baby girl who was not breathing when she was born on the prison floor, as prison guards watched. The filing says two women housed in the same pod attempted to revive the newborn by removing mucus from her mouth and rubbing her until she finally cried.
The complaint also alleges that, after the delivery, a guard told the women: 'Y’all should’ve pushed that motherfucking baby back in' and punished the women on the cell block, prohibiting them from going outside and to religious services, and revoking phone privileges."
So what did we learn from the Stanford Prison Experiment? Anything? Anything at all?
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robotjyanai1 day ago
+13
A woman put in prison for endangering her fetus and then gives birth on a prison floor while being helped by inmates who are then punished.
This is dystopian.
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Ok_Sentence_57671 day ago
+32
We live in a fundamentally broken society riled by sociopaths at every level and voted in by thebworst that society has to offer
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Difficult_Space30901 day ago
+11
Remember when jails were supposed to rehabilitate a person. Pretty obvious that jail makes people worse off in most cases.
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Nobelindie1 day ago
+16
Did that ever happen in this country? Cuz I don't think it ever really did
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Cyr7en1 day ago
+161
USA straight up third world country.
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krusbaersmarmalad1 day ago
+95
Worse. A third world country can't always do better, but a first world country can and should. The US is a first world country that doesn't give a f*** about its most vulnerable citizens.
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SleepingToDreaming1 day ago
+28
Alabama, folks; this should surprise no one including those living in Ala-f******-bama.
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sklerson891 day ago
+11
F*** Alabama, one of many states I'll never willingly visit.
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Effervescentgravy1 day ago
+9
The cruelty is not surprising. The Alabama prison system for decades has sold their prisoners to fast food chains to work for sub-minimum wage or no wage. It’s called “convict leasing”. Alabama makes $450 million a year from incarcerated labor.
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Square_Theme_87661 day ago
+7
Alabama, could you not Alabama for five seconds?
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Source_Required1 day ago
+10
Does the lawsuit name the guards? We need their names.
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Chicken_Ingots1 day ago
+6
The criminal justice system in our state is a joke. In my own city alone, there have been six (edit: turns out it may have been seven) cops arrested since last July with 3 DUIs, assault charges, kidnapping, and the torture of a child. They also previously covered up the murder of a suicidal man who a cop shot to death. Elsewhere in the state, there was also a sheriff awhile back who pocketed over 2 million dollars that were meant to feed prison inmates.
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DriverMaterial95661 day ago
+6
How incredibly ironic that she was arrested for endangering her fetus due to illegal substance use while pregnant, and the punishment was to almost kill her and her baby in jail. Unbelievable, absolutely unreal.
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OutInABlazeOfGlory1 day ago
+8
At this point I would believe literally any negative thing about any cop of any kind.
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FrogsJumpFromPussy1 day ago
+9
*Kathy Youngblood, a former deputy at the jail who is also a defendant in the lawsuit, described the incident as “barbaric” in an interview with NBC News.
“I tried to help her, but I was told I was going to be fired if I did help her, so I could not assist,” Youngblood told the outlet.*
She has someone on official duty who coroborate her story. That settles it.
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Appropriate_Wrap_6501 day ago
+6
I'll bet you all kinds of money they're pro life christians
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Bleezy791 day ago
+7
Why are people so cruel and inhumane? This world is truly dark sometimes.
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Griffolion1 day ago
+7
> The lawsuit, filed by Pregnancy Justice on behalf of McElroy and her daughter, further claims that medical staff gave her only a diaper and Tylenol while she endured severe pain and worried about the safety of her baby.
> According to the complaint, another inmate eventually assisted McElroy in delivering a baby girl who was not breathing when she was born on the prison floor, as prison guards watched. The filing says two women housed in the same pod attempted to revive the newborn by removing mucus from her mouth and rubbing her until she finally cried.
> The complaint also alleges that, after the delivery, a guard told the women: “Y’all should’ve pushed that motherfucking baby back in” and punished the women on the cell block, prohibiting them from going outside and to religious services, and revoking phone privileges.
These prison workers likely go to church on a Sunday and think they're just fine.
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