Criminal charges: beyond a reasonable doubt, consequence of losing is going to jail.
Civil claim (this one): they have to prove to 51% certainty he’s at fault, and if he loses, he pays a lot of money, but no jail time.
I bet he settles.
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Red-Sun-Cinema2 days ago
+193
There's insurance exactly for this reason.
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WakeNikis2 days ago
+125
Yeah. He gets sued to access his insurance. The insurance company gets to decide if they want to settle or not.
They gon’ settle.
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fractiouscatburglar1 day ago
+62
It’s stupid but quite often people have to sue the insurance of whoever owns the location you were injured. Like that lady who made the news because she was “SUING HER OWN NEPHEW OVER A HUG!” When what actually happened is she fell and broke her arm, hospital bills are f****** expensive, but to get it all covered by homeowners insurance they had to file a suit against the insurance.
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wickedcold1 day ago
+23
People love to get up in arms about when the legal system is used how it’s supposed to be used to make large corporations pay up.
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RedditPoster051 day ago
+3
No the media got them up in arms by purposefully not telling the story in a nuanced way . They wanted people up in arms so they basically lied
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tfhermobwoayway1 day ago
+1
Because those large corporations have the budget to run smear campaigns.
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dragnansdragon13 hr ago
+1
If only they'd get up in arms about there being no universal Healthcare....
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SortIntrepid91921 day ago
+3
The vast majority of these sensationalized lawsuits are bullshit, but for the exact OPPOSITE reason that people think. Like, "it's bullshit you have to sue to get what you in any other country would have gotten immediately."
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SeattleHasDied1 day ago
+1
Lauren Hutton and Beverly D'Angelo did something similar years ago.
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RedditPoster051 day ago
+1
The judge through it out too…
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digdugdigger1 day ago
+2
Never gon’ be president now
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SillyGoatGruff1 day ago
+1
Since the suit is coming from one random crew member who was there they might decide to fight it and throw their weight around
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BorntoBomb19 hr ago
+1
Probably not at this point. This is grasping at straws, he wasnt just found to not be at fault, someone else was actually at fault.
and thats what any sane insurerance attorney would respond with
"well yeah it sucks this happened, go talk to the armourer who failed at her job"
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mden19741 day ago
+4
The insurance company will decide what to do not Alec
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raouldukeesq2 days ago
+23
He will probably settle. But he could very easily beat the case too. Unless, his role and actions as producer was more directly tied to the production as opposed to being a figurehead.
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NavierIsStoked1 day ago
+44
There was more than one producer in this film. Yet, Baldwin keeps getting singled out.
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Automatic_Soil98141 day ago
+13
Yet [person with most money] keeps getting singled out.
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TheRealtcSpears1 day ago
+5
He owns the production company
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NavierIsStoked1 day ago
+4
Here’s some AI summary slop.
>The film Rust (2024) involved a complex structure with at least six main producers and roughly five to seven production/financier companies. Production companies included El Dorado Pictures, Short Porch Pictures, Thomasville Pictures, Cavalry Media, Brittany House Pictures, and 120dB Films, often backed by BondIt Media Capital.
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jadedflames1 day ago
+7
Based on public knowledge, his involvement began and ended at “provide money” and “act.” A lot of actors do that with independent scripts they like. You’re right they could probably win the suit, but Baldwin really doesn’t want to go to trial over this - and neither do the deceased’s family.
I work in insured defense work. This will probably drag out for about a year during which time Baldwin will basically never hear about the case.
Then he’ll get a call some time in 2027 and his insurance will say “yeah, we settled for 5.2 million.”
And everyone will sign a document with a non disclosure provision and all the public will hear is “settled for an undisclosed sum.”
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cheezeebred1 day ago
+5
How are they supposed to calculate that 51%? How do you get a percentage from something subjective?
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goodcleanchristianfu1 day ago
+11
It's not a mathematical calculation, the burden is on the plaintiff to prove a set of facts under which Baldwin is liable is more likely than not true. The jury gets fairly wide deference in deciding that.
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cheezeebred1 day ago
+2
Understood. thanks for teaching me.
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Noof421 day ago
+2
Simplifying a little, you just ask the jury "Is it more likely than not that the defendant negligently caused the plaintiff's injuries?"
The technical name for the standard is "preponderance of the evidence," but that's just fancy talk for "more likely than not."
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OutsideAmbassador4461 day ago
+2
It’s not the victim. It’s some shady staff me ever trying to cash in. They won’t get much.
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SillyGoatGruff1 day ago
+252
"Serge Svetnoy, a gaffer who was on set, has alleged that he suffered emotional distress due to negligence on the part of Baldwin and the production"
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redstone761 day ago
+182
I hope this POS gaffer never gaffs again. Hes the biggest liability.
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EffectiveDandy1 day ago
+60
i think the entire production crew at that point were the lowest of the low. everyone who knew anything had long walked. its a miracle it was only 1 death given how clueless they all were.
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First-Couple99211 day ago
+31
His nickname is Jim, and he’ll Gaffigan.
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STL_4201 day ago
This was a nice a little chuckle. Thank you
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canuck471 day ago
+54
Serge Svetnoy, a ~~gaffer~~ grifter
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cdvallee1 day ago
+7
I mean, watching someone die is pretty distressing…
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FadeTheWonder1 day ago
+34
Yes and the union covers that. This is purely out of greed.
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TrashhPrincess1 day ago
+2
I thought they weren’t unionized, which is the issue
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FadeTheWonder1 day ago
+3
It was considered a non union production but Serge was union as long as he had enough hours from union gigs he would be covered.
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Free_Waterfall_III20 hr ago
+2
He will lose. Emotional distress is a very hard claim to prove.
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different_produce3842 days ago
+223
Don't think he is on the hook for this one
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TomBirkenstock2 days ago
+153
It was so funny how many people were absolutely certain that Baldwin was going to jail before his criminal trial. Obviously, a civil trial has a different evidentiary standard, so it's not clear what will happen here. But the denizens of Listnook were so damn certain the guy would be in jail as we speak and had a bunch of convoluted reasons why he was criminally liable.
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JDDJS1 day ago
+95
It's because people just don't like Baldwin. Some people hate him because he mocked Trump on SNL, while other people hate him because he just really seems like an a******.
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MzOpinion8d1 day ago
+25
The voicemail he left his young daughter calling her a pig was unforgivable.
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Super9011 day ago
+37
She forgave him, but the public refuses to.
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MzOpinion8d1 day ago
+8
Yeah, it’s different when you have to actually have contact with someone. I’m glad she has been able to have a good relationship with him. Everyone deserves a good relationship with their parents, even though many people never get it!
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JDDJS1 day ago
+11
Yeah. Plenty of valid reasons to hate Baldwin. The Rust incident isn't one though.
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baaaahbpls1 day ago
+7
Every single right leaning person I personally know hates him because he insulted Trump, none of his other reprehensible things. They can excuse verbal abuse and harassing, but they draw the line at parody.
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JDDJS1 day ago
Yeah, but plenty of left leaning people hate him because of the other things and are also saying the shooting was his fault just because they want it to be his fault.
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WeekendTraveller931 day ago
-4
Nothing to suggest he’s an a****** other than media hounding him and he has every right to push back on them and TMZ scum.
-4
handwritinganalyst1 day ago
+17
Wasn’t it him who sent like a crazy terrible voicenote to his daughter?? Or have I mixed him up with someone else.
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slopschili1 day ago
+13
It sure was. He called his 11 year old daughter a rude, thoughtless pig amongst other things
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gothteen1451 day ago
+4
Didn't she forgive him? Or am I mixing that up? If she did then yes what he did was horrible but if the person actually involved has moved on I feel like the ublic who aren't involved should too (Not saying people can't think he's an a****** for it of course. I just mean holding it over him and being more offended by it than the actual daughter)
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DryCar64961 day ago
+9
He screamed at a flight attendant who wanted him to turn off his phone before takeoff. He was removed from the flight. Definitely normal person behavior
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KennyMoose321 day ago
+11
Eh, idk if you’ve ever watched an interview of his. He comes off as arrogant and very self serious
I mean I don’t blame him. He was in Glengarry Glenn Ross.
Coffee is for closers is one of the best limited parts possibly ever in movies. I’d be arrogant too.
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Terminator77861 day ago
+1
He's not as much of an a****** as his siblings are. Can't remember his name, but Justin Bieber's father-in-law is Alec's brother and he's a colossal ass.
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D-Biggest_Wheel1 day ago
+2
He *is* a big fan of Woody Allen
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MatureUsername691 day ago
+8
Hes belligerently yelled at the police for stopping him going down the wrong way of the street. Hes been arrested for going crazy over a parking spot. Hes been violent on multiple occasions. Hes broken out slurs against reporters who just reported on what his wife actually did. And if all that isnt personal enough examples of him being an a******, I implore you to go listen to the voicemail he left his own daughter. Alec Baldwin IS an a******. It isnt just a press thing, he's shown it in every single layer of his life. I say that as somebody who in general agrees with his politics.
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remoteworker91 day ago
+2
He doesn’t have the right to hurl anti-gay slurs at them though. For a supposed liberal, he’s said some vile things.
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JDDJS1 day ago
+1
He called his 11 year old daughter "a rude, thoughtless little pig".
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GasPsychological59971 day ago
+3
Like how 2 weeks ago so many were Certain Chappelle Roan was a child hating monster that faked her life story.
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Far-Heart-71341 day ago
+4
The criminal trial was ended because the prosecutor screwed up and was dismissed. The prosecutor did not turn over info they should so we did have the jury actually decide. I was on med leave and watched the trial live and until the prosecutor screw up the trial wasnt going great for baldwin imo.
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JeanVicquemare1 day ago
+1
I never thought for a second that they could prove the elements of a crime on his part. It was always a major reach.
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Global_Bid_83412 days ago
+19
They just want any other reason to hate on Alec Baldwin! 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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TomBirkenstock2 days ago
+35
And that's honestly fine with me. Hate Alec Baldwin all you want! But that doesn't mean he is criminally responsible for what happened on the set of Rust.
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SortIntrepid91921 day ago
+6
I've noticed very often that celebrities people have decided they hate are going to get hate for ANYTHING that gives people an excuse to hate them. Sometimes when there are other, significantly more valid reasons to hate on them.
It's absolutely wild to me that PirateSoftware seemed to get more hate for being shit at WoW than for nearly torpedoing Stop Killing Games all by himself. Or Mr. Beast for allegedly not maintaining the wells he built in Africa (which turned out to be bullshit anyway) than for not for refusing to pay the actors on his Amazon show.
Similarly, Baldwin gets more hate for the Rust shooting (which was absolutely not his fault - in fact, we know PRECISELY whose fault it is because she's in jail for it now) than for the myriad of other creepy shit he's done throughout his career. And all just because this is the recent thing he's done that gives people an excuse to justify their hatred for him.
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MC_chrome2 days ago
+10
Many people hate Alec Baldwin because he’s made fun of Donald Trump for years, which is a transgression of the worst sort for some.
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pabloescobarbecue1 day ago
+3
That’s one reason for a lot of people, but he has definitely acted as an entitled bully for a while. I’m specifically referring to Baldwin but it definitely works with Trump too
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Adventurous_South2461 day ago
+7
https://www.listnook.com/r/popculturechat/s/vwEoUf22rG
This Timeline of Terror is quite informative on his assholery
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RIPSyAbleman1 day ago
+6
it was ludicrous that he was even charged, kangaroo court stuff from the prosecutors
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livahd1 day ago
+2
Well, being a production worker myself, and understanding the dynamics of a normal set, things were wildly out of control there. And being decades long veteran both a producer and star, he should have recognized things were going off the rails days before it happened. Criminally liable, I don’t know, but wildly reckless, totally.
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EcstaticBoysenberry1 day ago
+1
Listnook hates the Baldwins I forgot exactly why
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Regular_Hawk85131 day ago
+11
He isn't. It's on the armorer. Plain and simple
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TheRealtcSpears1 day ago
+1
He owns the production company that hired the armorer
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Background_Bus2631 day ago
+12
Only one of the named producers, and they’ve already settled with the estate. This one is for emotional damages from one of the gaffers.
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Regular_Hawk85131 day ago
+3
So what? That doesn't matter at all. The armorer has a single job on set and that is to make sure all the weapons are safe.
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TheShamShield1 day ago
+5
Th production company could be liable if she wasn’t qualified and hired her anyway
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TheRealtcSpears1 day ago
+5
.......and the production company is responsible for hiring a negligent, poorly trained employee
Do you not know what civil trials that which follow a criminal trial are for?
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Cantoffendgirl22 days ago
+11
He's a producer. He might be, since it's a hired employees negligence that caused the death.
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OrangeJr362 days ago
+34
That title was assessed as meaningless during the criminal trial, but it might carry just enough weight in a civil trial.
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FilmFan21212 days ago
+12
About that producer title. I think you are correct and how much weight the jury gives it will depend on how deep and understanding they will have about vagaries of titles in Hollywood. That's going to be a tough one to communicate.
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majorjoe232 days ago
+16
So often producer titles are given to attract a star to a small project, or reward a star for staying with a franchise for a long time. I'm curious if actors might start rejecting them if a vanity title might get them sued?
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FilmFan21211 day ago
+1
Hopefully this is just a one off incident. I wonder if there is language in the contractor insurance that protects them? Guess not.
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Impressive-Potato1 day ago
He owns the production company that produced the movie.
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Travelin_Soulja2 days ago
+2
True, but that's why film productions carry insurance.
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JeanVicquemare1 day ago
+1
As a theory of liability, especially in the criminal case, it is such a reach - To say he hired someone who was later negligent, okay, but there's no way to know that's going to happen when you hire somebody. If he was responsible for supervising her on the job, that's different- you could have liability that way (though a *crime* is still a major reach), but I don't think having a producer credit automatically makes him the supervisor of every person on the set. They'd have to prove that in court.
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NCHouse1 day ago
+31
How is any of this his fault? Not the prop guy?
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TanAllOvaJanAllOva1 day ago
+12
He was a producer on the film. Baldwin the actor is not at fault.
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lostinthought151 day ago
+13
Unless Baldwin the producer gave explicit instructions to use a firearm in an unsafe way, I would expect a producer to defer firearm handling to the armor hired for the production.
They are going after him because he has money, not because he has any direct responsibility.
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Specialist-Web-92162 days ago
+29
It's been like 5 years, why has it taken so long?
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naitsirt891 day ago
+35
He already had his criminal trial. That took a decent bit of time. He also settled with the Hutchins' estate to complete the film and other stipulations.
This lawsuit is by a random gaffer who is claiming emotional distress. They have tried to bring Baldwin to the settlement table many times. It is just a money grab.
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Arch-by-the-way1 day ago
+21
He’s now being sued by a gaffer on set for emotional distress.
It’s a money grab
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BromaEmpire1 day ago
+11
I'm confused why he would even be the target of the lawsuit, as opposed to the production company or the armorer
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Captain-Clapton1 day ago
+5
To force him to settle and avoid misleading headlines exactly like this one.
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TheDuchessofQuim1 day ago
+2
The production company was an LLC specifically set up to produce this movie (Rust Movie Productions LLC). Alec Baldwin was a part of that.
The armorer is now a recently-released felon who is unable to work in her chosen field. Doubt she has any assets worth going after at this point.
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deimos_sigurd1 day ago
+5
I think it's because he makes an easy target. He's basically been the face of the controversy since it happened and many people still think he had way more influence than he probably did over set
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Fragrant_PalmLeaves1 day ago
+48
The fact they still released this movie is grim and unsettling.
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roboxsteven1 day ago
+47
Brandon Lee died on set of The Crow. They still released that movie and it’s a cult classic. People have died in the making of movies dozens of times. Can’t really hold those back.
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FIFofNovember1 day ago
+16
Harry Potters stunt double got paralyzed from the neck down, after one went wrong, lotta bad shit happens on sets
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tyme1 day ago
+12
The worst example I know of is the Twilight Zone movie. Three deaths, two of them children, due to pyrotechnics hitting a helicopter.
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OlympianDragon1 day ago
+16
I thought that too, but at the end of the day there were still dozens of people with jobs tied to the production of that film, and while there needed to be more than a little done to bring the safety back up to par, it would have been a little more unfair to tell all those people "good luck, sorry".
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Gummy-Worm-Guy1 day ago
+5
It’s tough to know what Hutchins would have wanted, but I’d imagine part of the thought process was honoring her and the work she did for the film.
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Sweet_Ad_1531 day ago
+3
To play Devil’s advocate; It’s helping support the family who lost their mom financially, and she was an incredible cinematographer. Looking at the art side of it, her images were amazing and should be shared, especially as a reminder to what was lost and to be cautious at every step to avoid a tragedy like this.
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ndoz1 day ago
+19
“Serge Svetnoy, a gaffer who was on set, has alleged that he suffered emotional distress due to negligence on the part of Baldwin and the production”
Come on man…..
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OilMeUpStewart1 day ago
+35
He may not be a good person but leave the guy alone. He is not responsible for that accident and I’ll die on that hill
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Great_Hambino20221 day ago
+14
We’re still on this?
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HussingtonHat1 day ago
+10
I'm sorry I thought it was decided that it was the armourers f*** up or something?
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maria_la_guerta1 day ago
+4
Yes. He's a producer on the movie though which does have more responsibility into the set, conditions, etc. than a regular actor. That being said the most recent rulings have been pretty decisive that procedures were followed as best as they could be outside of the weapons master and this was purely a mistake on their part.
Him being both a producer and a rich person will unfortunately continue to make him a target for scumbags looking for quick paydays.
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mbrogan41 day ago
+2
The Rust Box Office returns were $26,831 in total. That’s seems kinda impressive lol
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SeattleHasDied1 day ago
+2
New Mexico fucked this mess up from the beginning and they just need to knock it off at this point.
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Steakholder__1 day ago
+6
Can we give this one a rest?
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Isoturius1 day ago
+2
This is one of those, “I turned down a settlement for more money at trial” lawsuits. It’s a strategy that is very, very high risk and very maybe a reward
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EcstaticBoysenberry1 day ago
+1
Didn’t this happen 15 years ago
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gummi_eater1 day ago
+1
What? Alec Baldwin killing that woman?
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ProperPerspective5711 day ago
+3
Someone is chasing money at this point
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Commercial-Fig31422 days ago
-4
Oh boy, more incoming terrible takes from the sub about his wife.
-4
Medd-2 days ago
+14
Yet you're the first one to bring it up.
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ButtermilkRusk1 day ago
+6
Is she the one who’s from Boston, Spain?
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lostinthought151 day ago
+1
I’m not the biggest Baldwin fan, but unless he is the prop master or the armor or gave explicit instructions to use a specific firearm in a specific way, I don’t see how he should be liable.
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VNM06011 day ago
+2
Jesus Christ leave this poor man alone. F****** opportunists.
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jspurlin031 day ago
+1
The only person deserving of sympathy in this whole thing is Halyna Hutchins.
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tipyourwaitresstoo1 day ago
+2
And her son.
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Morningfluid1 day ago
+2
Baldwin's PR team working hard in here tonight.
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Sir_Ruje1 day ago
+1
Jeeze these guys are trying everything to get even a crumb from him after they screwed up? Unbelievable
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Cassandra_Canmore21 day ago
+1
What about the actual armorer or the prop master? Why aren't we hearing about them being sued?
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