America Lost. Iran Won. Trump Shat the Bed.

Excuse me, our President doesn't shit the bed, he shits his pants.

trump is a loser

America lost in 2016 and again in 2024

That clearly shows when he demands ally nations to help him in the war. Or tweeting out to Iran to make a deal every other day. Ironical that the one "winning" is almost pleading with the "loser" to make a deal.

People are mentioning the Epstein files less, which sadly is a win for Trump. Luckily we can change that by still mentioning it as often as possible. Never forget the Oval Orange is the largest pedo in the world!

America definitely botched the initial strikes and logistics of this war, but it isn’t over. They have a lot more f****** up to do.

Taking lives is seen as a victory in Trump's putrid mind.

Everyone has lost as it stands right now. Iran lost a lot of its senior leadership, potentially has even worse fanatics in charge and has taken an absolute pounding militarily. The US didn't achieve its war goals as of yet and probably won't. Oil's more expensive, the climate is going to be fucked even more, and this isn't even over. Articles like this are moronic.

Actually I don't think there's a single m*********** on this planet that won except Putin.

Peace through Defeat. By losing as quickly as possible, Trump is actually taking war as an option off the table. You just wouldn’t get it, snowflake cucks. Read The Art of the Deal. /s

We have guaranteed Iran will become a nuclear armed nation. I expect this to occur before the next POTUS is sworn in.

Nobody wins this. Expanding the disarmament treaty was the only way to win. Neither the gulf states nor Israel were in favor of that but the rest of the world was. What has happened has always been the understanding between Iran and world. It's why they rely on proxies while the US relies on economic sanctions and sabotage historically.  Iran was absolutely under pressure going into this. The US had a ton of bargaining power.  Now Iran has much less to lose and lost a lot of centralized command, while the revolutionary gaurd is still operating as an institution. This makes negotiations much harder. It's becoming a war for survival which means they are far more motivated to keep fighting. Strategic bombing does not produce regime changes. It pisses off regular people.  Whatever regime takes shape, it will likely have more popular support and be relieved of many pressures from the populace the last one was under. Even moving the capital will be more palatable if they choose to do that. The existential threat of the US seems to be keeping inter-faction fighting to a minimum.  

The 2015 Iran nuclear deal was negotiated from a position of strength. I'm worried the next nuclear deal will be negotiated from a position of weakness.

The biggest way we lost is that now everyone knows for sure that Iran has the means to close the strait of Hormuz, which means that they have the means to attack our economy. This is true even when we are in the midst of attacking them with the full might of our air power. This means that Iran has this as leverage going forward for every single issue, be it sanctions, nuclear weapons, and so on. In other words, Trump has now made the US economy hostage to the IRGC.

Someone shit my pants! - Trump

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I disagree with the title Trump never made it to the bed before he shit

The real w***** is China. They didn’t have to lift a finger, all they had to do was sit back and let Trump sabotage the United States on his own.

Trump has shot the bed for years, the problem is MAGAts love to eat his shit

The worst thing about this is Iran now knows they do not need nukes and they are going to make an insane amount of money on controlling the straight of Hormouz

Brought to you by Israel.

I don't wish anyone the "victories" Iran has experienced. Trump shat the bed and America lost the day they elected him ... but that is no victory for Iran, they're up shit creek without a paddle.

Was this ill begotten bed literally on Epstein Island?

Reminds me of Russia thinking they could just invade Ukraine in a weekend and have no push back. Now our administration is ticked off that Iran isn't just surrendering after killing their leader and bombing everywhere.

There's an old Vulcan saying: Everything Trump touches dies.

I'd like to see the reasoning for this headline, but The Bulwark's official Listnook account (marketing team) knows /r/politics will upvote literally any headline and give free advertising to this paywalled article.

Trump also probably shat his pants.

In my lifetime the tax payers have been sending half a trillion, now near a trillion every single year to our armed forces. Yet in my lifetime ive yet to see us win a war or improve any place we've attacked. Majority of places we attacked unprovoked based on assumptions, and in a terrorist like manner. So once I saw Trump launched a terror attack against Iran I knew under his extremely weak leadership Iran would destroy us. Not shocking to chalk up another L for the US. The united states thinks if you just blow up shit you win. We are great at dropping bombs but there's a huge problem. War hasn't been fought like that in over 50 years. Iran is destroying us in our wallets. If gas prices hit 6-7 nationwide its going to cripple this nation

Trump shits in his diaper daily. This is no different.

The war in Iran was always going to be a losing one, for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with our military’s capacity for destruction and everything to do with a lack of clear objectives. It’s the same reason we lost in Vietnam or why Iraq turned into such a political quagmire, except if anything, even those two wars seemingly had clearer objectives than our current war with Iran. You can’t win a war if you don’t even know what it is you’re trying to win by fighting it.

Threw ketchup all over the damn place

So…Epstein files?

What a waste of time, money, and life.

Everyone looses in war. Even the people who aren't fighting have higher oil prices. Losses all around.

All to distract people from the fact that he rapes children.

It is well past time ton remove him from office by any means necesary

What exactly did Iran win? Trump and the US are idiots, to be sure, but it’s not like Iran’s going to be a gleaming economic powerhouse with thriving tourism like Singapore or anything anytime soon.

Everyday America acts surprised when they find out Trump is incompetent. What is that about? There are decades of examples to look at.

Yeah no, given the current state of Iran, I wouldn't say that the country came out of this a w*****.

The only real winners are the people who profit from war at the end of the day. America lost is relative. Everyone lost, except certain people who managed to make money from this mess. The people of Iran most certainly are not "winning". Even if they were supposedly liberated from their religious overlords who run a country based on religion, tons of their infrastructure wil be in shambles and corruption will be VERY BAD, when reconstruction begins.

Putting aside the fact that the Trump administration's goals and motivations for this war have wavered from one moment to the next, the "regime" has only changed in the sense that the already dying Ayatollah was replaced by his more hardline son who we've managed to radicalize all the same after killing his entire family and who has deep ties and sway with the IRGC. This is all while at least 20% of the Iranian people still support the Islamic Republic. Anyone paying attention sees that Trump never had a plan for a drawn out conflict and that he's currently desperate for a deal and for an offramp. By all accounts, Iran was committing to its end of the nuclear deal before Trump ripped it up. And this is according to US intelligence on the matter, the International Energy Agency and even *Trump administration officials* at the time. Obama's diplomacy intended to avoid a war and box in Iran's nuclear program. Iran only began building up its nuclear capabilities *after* Trump abandoned the JCPOA out of sheer spite for his predecessor. Since then, Trump has bombed Iran *twice* in the middle of negotiations. Which does not bode well for future talks. Iran is apprehensive to get involved in serious negotiations. And frankly, I don't blame them. In the past, almost every negotiation with Trump/Netanyahu has resulted in military escalation. During his first term, Trump failed to approach a new deal in any earnest or competent manner. All reports indicate it was unprofessional and unserious and involved officials who were *way* out of their depth. Then the second time around, Trump again approached negotiations from a bad faith position. Nearly every analyst claims it was doomed from the start. But Trump still tried desperately to conceal his failures and shift the responsibility on Obama and Iran, which provided him with a false pretext to go to war. His voters, having learned nothing from history, continue to support this illegal war of choice. So there's little room for talks moving forward. The Trump administration has tarnished whatever good will it might have had left. FFS, Trump doesn't even know who he is supposed to be negotiating *with!* Also, if Iran ever needed a practical reason to own and operate a nuclear weapon, Trump and Netanyahu just gave them one. I mean, what better assurance than mutually assured destruction? And now that Iran has leverage in the form of one-fifth control over the global oil trade and the power to cause world wide market shocks, for that matter, even influence over the American economy and the capacity to create diplomatic tensions between the US and its allies, the Islamic Republic can now make demands it never would have dreamed of making before the war. Also, as this war drags on, Iranians will become disenchanted with the idea of the US playing the role of their "liberators." Some Iranians even question whether regime change is realistic and whether this war will leave them better off than when it started. To make matters worse, for all its faults, its problems and its violent and repressive rule, the Iranian regime could end up unifying a portion of the people against a US/Israel military that's damn near indiscriminately bombing their schools, hospitals, heritage sites, civilian infrastructure and neighborhoods; displacing millions and killing thousands of noncombatants, some of them children... CHILDREN. Reminder that Donald Trump went from insisting that Iran unconditionally surrender, to pushing back deadlines, then to lying about having productive conversations with the Islamic Republic because he had no coherent strategy from the start and now he's hopelessly searching for that off-ramp. At the same time, Iran has held firm. First refusing to submit to Trump's empty threats on social media, then denying Trump's claims of constructive peace talks, even calling his remarks "fake news." And don't forget that earlier in the war, Trump told the Iranian people to "rise up" and "overtake" their government so he could wipe his hands clean of the bloody aftermath of a war he started under false pretenses. Iranians didn't and still don't have the power to mount any sort of resistance, but Trump was hoping they would march to their deaths because he never had a plan for a protracted war. Thanks to the Trump administration's poor planning, arrogance and incompetence, the US has inadvertently helped Iran secure an advantage in this war by conceding bargaining authority over to the Islamic Republic in matters of their sovereignty, their control over the Strait of Hormuz and even the future of their nuclear weapons program. Trump also claims that we "don't need the Strait of Hormuz," and that its closure doesn't affect us... Another erratic remark that demonstrates how he has no f-cking clue what he's doing. Trump is more concerned than anything with how this war is affecting markets, his declining ratings, and surging oil prices. So he talks out of his ass to protect his fragile ego, to manipulate stock prices, and to sell a narrative that shields him from accountability. He also obviously lied about negotiations with Iranian leaders in order to finesse the markets. Because just before Trump announced a five day pause on striking Iran's energy infrastructure, investors bought $1.5 billion in S&P 500 futures and sold $192 million in oil futures. This kind of corruption is unprecedented. In the meantime, the International Energy Agency, which just happens to be the global authority on this matter, just described the situation as "the greatest global energy security threat in history." Oil is a global market FFS, when the price of crude oil goes up, we all pay the cost. And in terms of where our economy is headed, the price at the pump is going to be the least of our worries. So when Trump claims that the US won't be affected by a global trade disaster that he helped cause, he's either confused, or he's lying to project strength where there is only weakness, to shirk his responsibilities, to cope with the shame of operation "epic failure." And after everything that's happened, Trump now seems like he would be happy with an agreement that resembles the one he previously discarded with no concern for the consequences. The US has so far achieved the opposite of its intended goals in this war.

Not only that, he has signalled to the countries that receive the oil through the Persian gulf that it's now their problem to open the strait. Fantastic. He's created a mess that he now wants others to clean up. Total defeat.

America lost the moment dumbfucks put trump and Republicans back into power again. That's the voters that voted republican and the self righteous non voters

Their Supreme leader got blown to bits. I could accept an argument of "America and Iran both lost" but in no world is Iran a victor in this.

Trump always shits the bed.

So much for forever wars....Trump lost before he started!

You could replace Iran in that headline with any nation on the planet and it would still be true for the entirety of Trump's second term

Wait, the verdict isn't in until MAGA blames Biden.

He said “Sir, sir, thank you so much for all the wins. My portfolio is much smaller. Inflation is up, gas is up bigly. .”

I would hate to have Iran pissed off at me, there’s no telling what they’ll do.

Bush Jr. must be so happy to officially be the 2nd dumbest president

oh well look at the time, its time to: 1)investigate the Epstein Coverup 2)prosecute all illegal activities found 3) drain the swampy diaper of maga from WH 4)SEND clean underpants to Pedo Trump 5)?????? 6)make america great again

Let’s ditch the pedophile and oil all together. No need for either.

oh damn, archive can't break through the substack paywall? so do y'all have subscriptions to the bulwark or

Taco time again

The only people who think Trump won the war are totally incapable of thinking anything else. Total f****** stooges.

America hasn't won a war since WW2. So can we all stop collectively allowing GOP voters to hold our country up as so star-spangled awesome? We should not be waging wars. And all defense contractors and weapons manufacturers in the USA should be owned by The People so warmongering isn't incentivized in the 1%.

Imagine a major world war and this is our leader calling the shots. We’re fucked and I feel like our biggest enemies now know for sure just how incompetent our military really is right now.

As with most wars, everyone loses, even if one side "wins".

Sorry is that last part literal?

So by crashing global economy he’s relying the world to trade off of him now? Surely the world would boycott right????

Nobody wins a war - it's a question of who pays more.

Trump's TACOing as expected. Run Rabbit Run Run - his new theme song, the WWII British hit. https://www.google.com/search?q=Britiah+Wartime+song+Run+Rabbit+run&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:72c25116,vid:Cc4EbR7toWA,st:0

Trump Shat on America

Well, yeah, the U.S. lost, but Trump and his boss Pootin won. Trump is thrilled that he can now lift sanctions on Russia, and everyone has forgotten all about how he abused children alongside Epstein.

It’s his core competency.

He’s still shitting the bed. Present tense, not past tense.

I don’t think the US had any goals with the war… if you don’t have goals how can you win?

Imagine being the most hated man on the planet and a freaking loser.