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An 11-year-old Colorado boy has been charged with first-degree murder after allegedly killing his 5-year-old brother last week

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witchofpain Mar 19, 2026 +2025
I worked in a pediatric ED for years. We had an 8 year old who stabbed his grandmother. He wanted to cut her head off. Fortunately she lived. I’ve always wondered wha happened to that child. Can’t believe he turned out ok.
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +1400
My mom was crazy. Like, legit insane. She tried to (and nearly succeeded) kill someone when she was five years old- a three year old boy. He suffered significant brain damage and the family moved to a city to be closer to medical facilities that could help him. People think that children are born entirely whole, blank canvases whose factory setting is sanity, and if you just love them enough everything will naturally default to health and stability. Human beings are organisms like any other, and some are born with janky wiring.
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InThisIllusion Mar 19, 2026 +340
How was your mom as an adult?
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HolyForkingBrit Mar 19, 2026 +365
I had a similarly insane mother and as she grew older, she masked better. People sometimes don’t believe me, all the things she did to me, and it’s because she’s pretty and very convincing. No way *she* could be a monster.
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +803
Yup. My mom was a petite blue-eyed blonde from a “good” family. She tried again a few more times but luck and fate saved her targets. By the time I was born she’d gotten much more sophisticated in her tactics, using proxy figures (including my dad), neglect, the medical system, the legal system, etc., to torment people. Still, I ended up with physical damage that is evident to this day, poorly healed fractures, part of my face caved in where I was struck so hard it killed the fat pad on one side of my face. I shake my head at the buccal fat removal trend. I had mine done with a fist. I was the eldest and her first ‘owned’ victim. No one to intervene. No one to save me. No one ever came. (Though I was briefly a ward of the court.) Obviously I’ve been in therapy for much of my now-nearly sixty years. The longest one, who I saw for decades, said that in her 35+ year career my case was one of the most horrific she’d seen. They’re there. They’re in the PTA, the country club, shopping in the grocery store next to you. They can smile and deflect and people are busy, tired, disbelieving, afraid. After all, how could a parent do that to their child?
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Silly-Supermarket-63 Mar 19, 2026 +208
Wow, I’m so sorry you had to grow up like that. I have to say though, you’re a gifted writer and I bet you could write a very fascinating book about your experiences
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +219
Thank you! I actually am a writer. :) I’m working on a novel at the moment, but it’s about an ungodly breakup I had, lol. Ridiculous, I know. I’ve written a few things about my childhood and my editor/mentor desperately wants me to do something on a larger scale, but I’m a little hesitant. It’s difficult revisiting the trauma, and the thought of doing it with the time and attention required is daunting. Additionally I have a younger sister who is also deeply screwed up by this. I kind of hate spilling the family secrets and attaching the stigma of such madness and depravity to her and her children. Maybe I’ll fictionalize it, change just enough so there’s plausible deniability for her… But again, thank you for your kind compliment.
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raphtze Mar 19, 2026 +31
fwiw i think you're incredibly brave, strong & resilient. this kind of shit is unimaginable. you definitely are amazing!
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +35
Thank you. That is very kind of you to say. I’m just grateful I’m still here. There were many times when I wasn’t so sure I was going to make it, so every day is a sort of triumph. Shooting the cosmic bird at my parents!
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CASparty Mar 19, 2026 +41
Fictionalising it might damp the message. Maybe keep it non-fiction and write it under a pseudonym.
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OlderThanMyParents Mar 19, 2026 +15
Not knowing anything of what you've gone through, I'd tend to agree with u/CASparty. If I read a novel that talks about brutal topics like this, I tend to assume (maybe it's a defense mechanism?) that it's being dramatized for effect, that "she wasn't really THAT bad, the author is just trying to make a point." The best novels are written in such a way as to be read from multiple points of view, and I assume you don't want people to be encouraged to see things from your mom's point of view and why she might have felt justified in her actions. (Or maybe explaining her is part of your healing process?) I would think that a pseudonymous non-fiction book, particularly if it were presented with an introduction - or an afterwards - by a professional in the field, would be much more useful for getting your story out.
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dwi80 Mar 19, 2026 +22
Man, I had a similar childhood, and my therapist said the same thing.
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +22
Yeah. It’s a pretty awful club to be a member of, isn’t it? I send sincere hopes that you have found peace and healing.
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TheJinxedPhoenix Mar 19, 2026 +38
It boils my blood that people still think that someone that is conventionally attractive or nice wouldn’t harm someone. I have heard it so many times working in healthcare. “Mrs. Smith wouldn’t hit her children, she volunteers at the shelter” “James wouldn’t deny his children food, he’s always sharing at work.” “You must have been misbehaving.”
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Perfect_Dream1372 Mar 19, 2026 +24
Those kids couldn’t have been abused, they were always so well dressed and the house was spotless!
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +16
Absolutely. Or the privilege of wealth. She “came from money” so many of the things she did either the cops let slide or my grandfather paid off the victims/institution to make it go away.
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seasalt-and-stars Mar 20, 2026 +8
You’re spot on with that. “Oh but they’re so nice.” My own sister abused my son (CSA) and he recently came forward. My mother defended her and said “oh but she always wanted to be a mom … to have children. She’d never do that!” Oh yeah?
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gingerzombie2 Mar 19, 2026 +4
Well, Dennis Rader was prolific at his church. Shitty people are still capable of doing "nice" things just like nice people are capable of occasionally doing shitty things.
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StarJelly08 Mar 19, 2026 +7
Exactly. Also worthy of note, someone conventionally attractive can be experiencing awful things, like abuse or medical issues to a severity that typically is overlooked because “they look fine”. People talk about pretty people problems and everyone groans, understandably to a degree but I have noticed throughout my life stuff like this absolutely happens and kind of a lot. I have known people to have to essentially doctor shop because, say it’s a male patient who looks fit and good looking. Female doctors often can’t look past that easily, and male doctors may be jealous. I had a doctor once myself that couldn’t believe i was really sick and being abused because he looked me up and listened to my music. He grew up jealous of his musician brother… and it transferred to me. He just would not address my problems due to that. Thinking “well it must not be so bad, you are super talented dude”. And im like “uh. Did you read the lyrics? It’s literally about being abused.” And i was even screaming bloody murder at one point in the songs he listened to. But nah. That’s just because it’s hip or something.
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TheJinxedPhoenix Mar 19, 2026 +5
Yep! I have heard of similar experiences so many times. That “rich people can’t be depressed” because they can “buy happiness.” and this ignores that mental health concerns impact people from all backgrounds.
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chattahattan Mar 19, 2026 +13
God, I’m so sorry you went through all of that. I have a child of my own, and simply can’t imagine intentionally harming this vulnerable life that I chose to bring into the world. You sound like a very reflective, empathetic person, and I hope you’re doing well in spite of all you’ve been through.
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Devmoi Mar 19, 2026 +4
Jesus Christ. I am so sorry you had to experience a psychopath. No adult should have to deal with that, let alone a defenseless child. The only positive is that it made you who you are today and you’re a survivor. But lord. I wish I could punch your mother in the face. Disgusting.
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +11
Thank you so much. Believe it or not, it helps. Part of what was so awful was never having anyone protect me, be outraged on my behalf, acknowledge the profound injustice of it all. Even though it’s years later and my tormentors are finally gone, I still tremble at the sense of being alone, unseen. I used to wonder, even as a small child, what they would do with me if they went too far. I was scared of being alone and rotting in the woods all by myself. In fact I still have a deep fear of insects because I would imagine try them eating me and it horrified me. It’s the being alone, unknown, unremarked upon, unworthy of love or salvation. No one to bury me or even notice that I was missing. I could withstand the physical and emotional abuse, but that utter isolation, the solitary confinement of the abused child, was too much to bear. So when you say that you would champion little me it’s almost as if she can hear you say that and things feel slightly less frightening. Maybe someone was out looking for her. Maybe someone would finally have come. Thank you.
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Ell2509 Mar 21, 2026 +3
I am heart broken to read this account, and struck by how well you not only survived, but sought the correct help for yourself. You message reads as one from a very self aware, emotionally intelligent person. If you had any doubt, your suffering seems to have made you pursue a course to a place where you now can hekp lots of people. Incredible.
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NoStorage2821 Mar 19, 2026 +5
This is some Michael Myers shit
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +25
Oh, it was HORRIFIC. Like, she was theatrically crazy and terrifying, and smart as Hell. That made it worse. She *crafted* torment to be as excruciating as possible. She drew energy from the suffering of others. I’ve not shared the worst.
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Far-Conflict-1172 Mar 19, 2026 +6
This. My sibling is the same way. She's an incredibly skilled liar. So much it was hard to tell how messed up she was until I was older. She's filled cps and there's literally nothing anyone can do for her child now and it's heart breaking.
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livingalienanalbead Mar 19, 2026 +120
looking for the whole series, I see. I can’t blame you after that intro.
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vulcansheart Mar 19, 2026 +25
The series is locked behind a Plus subscription probably
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presvil Mar 19, 2026 +52
For real, can’t just drop that bombshell and expect us to not have any follow up questions
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bot3399 Mar 19, 2026 +155
Well, she raised a snitch!
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sargon_of_the_rad Mar 19, 2026 +32
Ok I loled that's horrible
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jam3s2001 Mar 19, 2026 +81
Lol, I love your comment about factory preset for children. While I don't think my own kids are homicidal, I'm pretty sure one shipped with the "entitlement" setting enabled by default and somehow the switch keeps getting reset. And I'm not talking like the normal level of main character syndrome that kids naturally experience. Every kid comes with a different personality and the role of the parents is to come up with healthy ways to shape those traits so that they can leverage them for success, not just let them "come into their own" (although that's an important part of it).
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camtliving Mar 19, 2026 +45
I was hanging out with my son and his friend a few weeks back, both 5 year old kids. Both raised in a bubble. They came across a small hummingbird and the friend's reaction was immediately, " Can we kill it"? Just super taken back that those were his first thoughts. It's terrifying.
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holymolym Mar 19, 2026 +12
Just wanted to commiserate as I’ve got one of those as well.
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lyarly Mar 19, 2026 +9
Sorry I’m so curious what yalls strategies are. Part of the reason I’m afraid to have kids is that you obviously can’t bank on having a successful and thriving child. By all means you do your best… but my mom did that, and my twin brother is still a raging narcissist. Anyway. I love kids. I do. How are yall setting up your more at-risk (if that terminology makes sense) for success?
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holymolym Mar 19, 2026 +8
My kid has the entitlement lever stuck switched on, but he and I have an extremely close and loving bond and he’s still a very sweet kid. We have him in therapy which he loves. He started going to therapy in I think 4th grade and has continued off and on over the years as things came up. It’s helped a ton.
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jam3s2001 Mar 19, 2026 +6
We are working on healthy boundaries. Mine is almost finished with kindergarten, so we are still trying to make sense of the world around us. So whenever she yells at her mom because she didn't get her way over something or she has a meltdown over not getting tv time or something, we generally have to take a moment to reset - which feels like punishment to her, but we are working on reframing it. After we get our feelings in check, we take some time to talk about what happened and how it made everyone else feel and what we are going to do to make it right. And sometimes we have to repeat the exercise a few times (had an hour-long struggle over washing hands to help make dinner the other day). What I've noticed, though, is I generally get better behavior than my wife, and it's because I'm a lot more consistent and I value self-discipline. My kid knows that she can just throw a tantrum and get a free pass for bad behavior in front of my wife. I don't give in very often, so the behavior tends to be different. Instead of a screaming fit, I get a series of complaints, which will open a door for redirection. If she's begging to eat a bunch of candy, for example, and my wife says no, she'll start jumping and screaming about how it's unfair. If I say no, she already knows that if she starts jumping and screaming, we will drop the conversation and she will have to go sit somewhere quiet til she calms down (usually I park her on the stairs or on the couch with the tv off. Occasionally she will get out of control and have to go to her room). So rather than an outburst, she persists "but I'm hungry!" So this is my opportunity to explain that candy isn't food and it won't fill you up. Let's go make some veggie dip together and have some carrot sticks. And it works. But I'm also human, and I've been working with my therapist on keeping my feelings in-check too. Today she was tearing into my wife about her school clothes, because of some theme day they are having. So I finally just got tired of the disrespect and snapped at her and grounded her from screen time for the rest of the day. This is generally not how we solve problems in our house, so I'll have to walk it back later. But she actually respected the decree and turned down watching netflix on Mom's phone while the baby got dropped off at daycare. So we are learning.
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Icy-Marionberry-4143 Mar 19, 2026 +14
i babysat a sociopathic 7 year old when i was in college. only 2 times then i got too scared.
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +23
Yeah. There’s a vibe. Can’t explain it. It’s like it triggers your lizard brain that a predator is around. I know it when I see it. I saw it in one of my daughter’s childhood friends. She’s a reasonably successful “influencer” and entertainer now and she still gives me that bad feeling. If you’re under thirty you’ve probably heard of her. Watching her get high on attention is very disconcerting and it was not surprising at all that this is the career she ended up in. (Not gonna dox her. She doesn’t deserve more eyes on her.)
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Icy-Marionberry-4143 Mar 19, 2026 +16
the kid i babysat would purposefully make messes after i cleaned them up (and i mean DESTROYING rooms), by throwing every single thing on the ground, breaking glass decorations, putting holes in the wall. she also abused the dog and knew she was doing so and liked it. and threatened to kill me lol. she was legitimately scary. i felt bad for her, she clearly needed to be institutionalized.
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HiveJiveLive Mar 19, 2026 +17
Yup. This was my mom. She was proud of the fact that her parents had to cage her as a toddler because she kept escaping her play-pen and hurting the family dog. Eventually they literally screwed plywood into place on the top and locked it at night. (1940s wooden play-pen.) She’s thought it was the funniest thing in the world. That’s how I know a lot the stories- she’d recount them gleefully while family members who were there to witness it originally looked really uncomfortable. Poor dog.
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Icy-Marionberry-4143 Mar 19, 2026 +9
and here i am scared to have more kids cuz im scared ill traumatize them by having depression😭
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blueskies8484 Mar 19, 2026 +150
It’s interesting, because we have some data from European and other western countries that have juvenile justice systems that systemically release children who commit murder upon adulthood and it’s truly a mixed bag. Some of them seem to go on to live normal lives and some of them become long term criminals in and out of the system forever in adulthood. A good example is James Bulgers murderers. One of the children who murdered him left prison as an adult and is living a normal productive non criminal life. The other has gone back to jail repeatedly for various serious crimes. Of course, non-American countries throw a lot of money and resources at rehabilitation for criminal juveniles and offer them opportunities post incarceration to start lives with a clean slate, and the US doesn’t do that, so it’s not a direct comparison. But the UK rate for instance for child recidivism is lower than for adult recidivism and the majority of reoffenders are for summary or theft offenses. The US child offender recidivism rate is almost twice as high as the UK one.
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AnalObserver Mar 19, 2026 +48
Honestly working youth psych. I’ll get asked about admissions that I’ve had previously and their acuity. There will be times where I’m like man that kid was awful when I had him a couple years ago and in restraint daily, proceed with caution. And they’ll come in and matured and lost a lot of that impulsiveness and mostly be fine. And there will be kids that seemed kinda likable that a few years later that have just developed into conducty and antagonistic pricks. It’s like man I had hopes for you n somehow you’ve got worse. It really is a mixed bag
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Wooden-Repeat-9200 Mar 19, 2026 +10
The difference in the data tells you what we know about the American system- it’s pretty good at making criminals be career criminals once they’re in the system. And we do it at a high price tag to boot.
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meatball77 Mar 19, 2026 +176
Mental illness is a b****.
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Wwwweeeeeeee Mar 19, 2026 +220
Exactly. The dearly departed Rob Riener's son is a classic example. For his entire life, that family battled so hard, and tried every single possible avenue of treatment to rescue their son from the throes of his violent mental illness. And in the end.... there was nothing that could have 'saved' him.
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Saloau Mar 19, 2026 +170
And the Riener family had the money to seek help. Most families don’t have any resources to get the help their child needs.
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Margot-the-Cat Mar 19, 2026 +32
The Reiner story shows that money is not the solution. That’s because the problem is the current laws that make it virtually impossible to treat or hospitalize severely mentally ill people who refuse treatment—which is a huge catch-22, since mentally ill people cannot make rational decisions. Those laws must be changed.
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Wwwweeeeeeee Mar 19, 2026 +14
So, so true.
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wildflowerhonies Mar 19, 2026 +36
Schizophrenia is a hell of a disease
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LePouletPourpre Mar 19, 2026 +99
My friend who lives in Seattle has a schizophrenic brother in law that lives in Baltimore. The BIL called one day randomly threatening to drive to his house and kill him for stealing his iPad. He told him to clam down, said they have not even seen each other in years and is probably having an episode. He calmly hung the phone up and went about his day. He showed up at the house 3 days later with a knife. He f****** did it. He drove 2500 miles with the intent to kill him.
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ImAPixiePrincess Mar 19, 2026 +32
Someone in full blown psychosis should never be dismissed. They can't be reasoned with. It's their "truth", their "memories", their voice(s) against you. It sounds like your friend is safe thankfully, I hope he has moved or his BIL is getting the help he needs!
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run-on_sentience Mar 19, 2026 +227
"Grandma, I don't wanna have to tell you again--Oatmeal Raisin are *not* as good as Chocolate Chip."
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ddejong42 Mar 19, 2026 +74
Heresy! Oatmeal raisin cookies are delicious!
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Radiant_Bluebird4620 Mar 19, 2026 +63
Oatmeal chocolate chip are the best
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HoboMuskrat Mar 19, 2026 +15
Yeah I hate raisins
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michikiniqua Mar 19, 2026 +10
I've only heard raisins speak fondly about you.
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Tired8281 Mar 19, 2026 +3
Through the grapevine, no doubt.
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Jamjams2016 Mar 19, 2026 +15
Oatmeal scotchies are leagues better.
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__mud__ Mar 19, 2026 +4
Personally I like my scotch with as little oatmeal in it as possible
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Dijirido Mar 19, 2026 +30
Not when you bite into what you think is going to be a delicious chocolate chip cookie and all you taste is betrayal.
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B00G3R Mar 19, 2026 +28
Idk what kind of oatmeal raisin cookies you all eat, but I’ve never once confused one for a chocolate chip cookie. Mostly due to the very apparent oats. How does this happen to you guys?
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dragongrl Mar 19, 2026 +8
Oatmeal raisin cookies are why I have trust issues.
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Jack-Cremation Mar 19, 2026 +2781
“Details of the alleged crime and the 5-year-old's cause of death were not released; the DA's office said juvenile case records are not public.” First degree is pretty specific…”First-degree murder is the most serious, premeditated, and deliberate unlawful killing of a human being, often including "felony murder"” I hate to see how this 11 year old set this up and accomplished this.
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Mammoth-Record-7786 Mar 19, 2026 +955
I have a relative that teaches at a behavioral school and his “students” are all around 10-12 years old. These are already kids that are working their way towards the prison system, kids who just sit around threatening to murder each other all day long. Kids that age can absolutely be some wretched little shits.
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mswoozel Mar 19, 2026 +425
People don’t want to believe a kid could be capable of something like this but they can
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LayeGull Mar 19, 2026 +394
12 year old me pulled apart firecrackers and made a bomb with the gunpowder. Luckily I just wanted to bury it and watch it throw a big pile of dirt in the air. 12 year olds are a special mix of capable and not knowing the damage they can cause. Plus hormones.
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Fucky0uthatswhy Mar 19, 2026 +124
When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, we were stranded for months. The army corps of engineers (I think that’s what the trucks sai) handed out thousands of MREs. I cannot tell you how many cold MREs I ate in those months, because I was making bombs with the heating elements. 2005 so I wasalso 12
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Porthos1984 Mar 19, 2026 +40
"Bombs" more like just air popping bottles. BTW, I was on the USNS Comfort in New Orleans. We were ported in the lower 9th by what is now called Crescent Park.
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Brownbear97 Mar 19, 2026 +12
Civilian level bombs, they keep the real ordinance locked behind the police and army
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JahoclaveS Mar 19, 2026 +9
They really should just have a blow shit up extra-curricular at schools. It really seems like a natural inclination for kids to want to see things explode. Hell, UMR, or whatever the branding f*** they’re calling it now, at least used to, have a day where they’d take whatever the f*** you wanted to explode out to the quarry and blow it up.
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Mammoth-Record-7786 Mar 19, 2026 +21
We would’ve been buddies
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dratsablive Mar 19, 2026 +13
I used to grind out the discharges in ESTES rockets and fill the tube with m-80s, then launch it and watch it blow up.
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jaa0518 Mar 19, 2026 +150
Anybody that was bullied in school can tell you just how vile, vicious, and cruel kids can be. Its not even uncommon.
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mistermenstrual Mar 19, 2026 +54
Having horrible things done and said to you every day really activates the "revenge but worse" fantasy part of your imagination.
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Mazon_Del Mar 19, 2026 +47
Thankfully for me, my fantasies were all in the "Save the school in some dramatically action hero way and they realize I'm not someone who deserves their bullying." direction.
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Shinjischneider Mar 19, 2026 +9
Even 30 years later that part still exists
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livingalienanalbead Mar 19, 2026 +8
Yeah I still think about my biggest bully and go down a rabbit hole like at least once a month, 30 years later
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shouldbepracticing85 Mar 19, 2026 +15
It might be worth some therapy sessions to help you work through that. Helped me a lot with stewing on some of the shit the bullies did to me. Hasn’t fixed all of it - I could probably use some more therapy too - but it took some of the edge off.
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livingalienanalbead Mar 19, 2026 +4
I appreciate it. I do have a therapist and it has helped me tremendously. Just once in a while it gets me.
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shouldbepracticing85 Mar 19, 2026 +3
I completely understand that. Glad you’ve got some support.
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Mammoth-Record-7786 Mar 19, 2026 +6
Thank you, that actually makes me feel more normal. I’ll just be standing there at work every once in a while and space out while thinking about bullies from grade school. No reason whatsoever.
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livingalienanalbead Mar 19, 2026 +4
Of course, and sorry you had to go through that. Fear leaves quite an imprint. I can’t remember the sound of my dad’s voice it’s been so long since he passed. But I can remember this a******’s voice as clear as day.
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hovdeisfunny Mar 19, 2026 +19
I've long thought that middle school kids are the worst because they're old enough to know how to craft a truly cutting insult, but they're not mature enough to know where the line is yet.
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AStalkerLikeCrush Mar 19, 2026 +12
I grew up with one. Except he was the kind who could mask up really well, and so most people outside of our family had a very different impression of him than who he really was.
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Consistent_Heat_9201 Mar 19, 2026 +11
Relatable. I had an older sibling who was constantly trying to see how far he could take things before something serious (death) would happen. He’d get creative about it. I didn’t dare tell my dad. He finally died by doing the same to himself.
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Meteorcore71 Mar 19, 2026 +10
People don't seem to believe that kids are capable of independent thought until about 17 for some reason. I was fully cognizant of all of my thoughts and decisions by middle school. Kids know right from wrong and pretending they don't just allows them to get away with being bad people, something that a lot of them then carry over into adulthood. I don't know why people pretend kids don't understand these things- they do.
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EatAtGrizzlebees Mar 19, 2026 +11
And for some reason, people always jump to blame the parents. Parents can do everything right and still have a shithead for a kid. I don't know why people can't grasp this concept.
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Echolynne44 Mar 19, 2026 +65
We had a 9 year old student plan how to to burn down the school, with maps and a recruitment plan and everything. She was so scary when we interviewed her. Her parents clearly know she has issues but they aren't doing anything to help her
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elephantasmagoric Mar 19, 2026 +7
I wonder how many of those issues arose from the fact that her parents were too apathetic about her to get her help even when she was doing obviously unhinged things like planning arson.
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HairyEyeballz Mar 19, 2026 +37
>Kids that age can absolutely be some wretched little shits. So many adults fail to realize this, apparently forgetting their own experiences in childhood.
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rttnmnna Mar 19, 2026 +107
I think fetal alcohol spectrum disorders are much more prevelent than most people realize. Not that it means a kid will for sure become violent, but certainly can lead that way when a person can't foresee the effects of their actions, lacks impulse control, and rages easily.
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lilmixergirl Mar 19, 2026 +12
Yes! And I’m seeing more and more students with it (I’ve taught high school for 20 years)
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pogulup Mar 19, 2026 +10
Having worked with school districts on camera and access control systems, they told me the worst kids age wise are middle school.  I would have thought high school.
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Mammoth-Record-7786 Mar 19, 2026 +13
That reflects what my relative says. He wanted to work in either high school or early grade school, apparently middle schoolers are just known to be the worst. He also said that it just gets worse when the parents get involved if they get involved at all. A lot of these kids are just not in the environment that encourages success and the parents will blame the teachers for the kid’s behavior or just deny it all together.
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OcotilloWells Mar 20, 2026 +3
My impression, going to High School, was the worst ones either went to what my district called Continuation school, it they just dropped out. In Middle School, there was no safety valve like that. My area was fairly well to do as well.
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blr1g Mar 19, 2026 +34
I work at two middle schools and we (staff) are all acutely aware of how sociopathic some of these "kids" are. One time, two girls came by to see me about their chromebooks, and I saw the principal come by my office area and look at me and walked away. He later came by and told me, "Just FYI, be careful about being alone with those two girls in particular." And I raised an eyebrow, and he said, "Yeah, they have severe personality disorders." I don't doubt it. We've had several instances where these kids will lie straight to your face, and you know they're lying, you have all the evidence in the world that they're lying, and we even tell them, "none of what you say will change the outcome of your punishment, so you might as well tell us the truth." And they will lie to your face still, without ANY quiver or noticeable tremor in their voices or demeanor. Just straight cold steely blackness. Most kids, though, will quake in their boots in these situations. But, some of them are just straight up sociopaths. It's really disturbing.
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marty2830 Mar 19, 2026 +5
I remember my sister (who was a social worker at the time) talking about the Jamie Bulger case and saying that Robert Thompson (aged 10) was showing clear signs of being a psychopath.
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ImAPixiePrincess Mar 19, 2026 +9
I'm really thankful my son's school takes everything seriously. My son is 6, his classmate once told my son that he was going to kill our family. The kid was removed from classes a few days at least and other measures taken. My son ended up befriending this kid, and this kid recently pointed a finger gun at my son. There's been other smaller things, but those were the bigger things. I'm not afraid of a 6-year-old being able to kill our family. I'm afraid of the path the child may be getting sent down and what future him may do if things aren't addressed.
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Mclurkerrson Mar 19, 2026 +7
I worked in that type of school for a few years. And the flipside is, you cannot imagine the abuse and trauma many of those same kids have experienced before age 14. It's so sad, and it's awful how the cycle continues when we don't have the right resources and interventions when kids need them. I would say I only met 1-2 kids in my time there that I actually think were truly "evil" to their core. The rest were desperate for understanding, patience, love, structure, resources, attention, etc. It broke my heart every day.
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Informal_Tell78 Mar 19, 2026 +13
Like ~~Geoffrey~~ Joffrey in GOT
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Mammoth-Record-7786 Mar 19, 2026 +26
That kid was a damn good actor
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13thmurder Mar 19, 2026 +3
When I was in school that was pretty normal, kids just said stuff like that. No one killed each other.
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Low-Monitor4545 Mar 19, 2026 +740
The horror of it all. I pity the parents.
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blueskies8484 Mar 19, 2026 +55
First degree murder is often referred to requiring significant planning, which it can encompass, but doesn’t always. Premeditated and deliberate often include simply having time to change your mind and understanding what your actions will do, which can be for seconds of time, rather than the way deliberation evokes in the mind.
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JudiesGarland Mar 19, 2026 +139
Colorado doesn't require long term planning for first degree murder, just that it occurred "after the exercise of reflection and judgment concerning the act” - it could be a matter of minutes. I would assume they have something significant though, since the charge is so unusual, and unsettling.  It's a horrible thing to speculate about, but in the interest of not overestimating the level of criminal mastermind needed to catch that charge, there were two possibly relevant criteria that popped out to me, as I try desperately to fall back asleep via sad-tired:  "*The accused showed extreme indifference to human life in general and knowingly put another person in grave risk of death, which resulted in the person’s death.*" and "*While holding a position that merited the trust and respect of a child under 12 years old, the accused knowingly caused the child’s death.*" Now, I'm guessing the fact the accused is also under 12 would complicate the last one, but I don't think there are any laws in Colorado preventing a sibling babysitting at that age, and 11 is usually the minimum age for the Red Cross babysitter course.  Super extremely unfortunately, they may also have evidence that he was tied into some kind of horrible 764 type ecosystem. *(Not trying to sensationalize, but I keep meeting parents who have never heard of this domestic terrorist network so...I guess it should be mentioned.)* As of last summer there were over 250 open FBI investigations linked to a 764 related network, spanning every single field office in the USA. *(The original 764 group is dead, and the ringleaders are in prison, but unfortunately it's been Hydra-like: cut one head off, two more grow.)* I feel really sad, for both of these children. *(For all of the children, really.)* Like, evil shit is evil, fine, but at some point this was a child who needed help and in many ways this still is a child, who needs help. *(Whether helpful enough help exists, and where punishment fits in - that's beyond my ken, and I just got sad enough to feel sleepy so that's it for me.)*
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MarkCuckerberg69420 Mar 19, 2026 +67
What is a “764 type ecosystem”?
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sunny790 Mar 19, 2026 +100
i believe they may be referring to the discord groups that target kids and urge them to harm themselves or others/animals and record it and even take their own lives. it is a legit thing going on right now
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soimalittlecrazy Mar 19, 2026 +16
I think at least one school shooting, Evergreen Colorado last year has been tied to it.
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HalfaYooper Mar 19, 2026 +8
That sounds horrible. Thank you for saving me the search.
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Combustibutt Mar 19, 2026 +57
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/764_(organization) Never heard of it before but, seems to be an online child exploitation group, mainly operating on Discord, Roblox and Minecraft. Some culty elements from the sound of it but mostly a loosely goosey group of sadistic pedos and dickheads
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MarkCuckerberg69420 Mar 19, 2026 +8
Ugh, I wish I didn’t know about this
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rhdkcnrj Mar 19, 2026 +82
I felt crazy reading that block of text that repeatedly pinned this all on “764 type ecosystems” and then never bothered to explain what that was
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Polkadot1017 Mar 19, 2026 +24
It's so bizarre to me when people do that. Or they'll use crazy acronyms nobody has ever seen, and they don't explain what they mean
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AnalObserver Mar 19, 2026 +8
Working in a state hospital and have kid now that had taken steps on a pretty elaborate plan to kill people. And honestly the kids the most pleasant kid we got.
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Youre_On_Balon Mar 19, 2026 +13
Because it includes felony murder, this definition of first degree murder is actually incredibly nonspecific.
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colinisthereason Mar 19, 2026 +11
The perpetrator is probably a clinical sociopath that hasn't been diagnosed, will now be diagnosed after several examinations and ultimately sent to a psych facility until at least 18, but probably 21
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Warcraft_Fan Mar 19, 2026 +5
But they haven't released detail beyond intentional killing of the 5 year old boy. We won't know if the kid used gun, knife, arrow, poison, or strangulation.
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[deleted] Mar 19, 2026 +23
My friend and I robbed a McDonald’s with shotguns at 10 years old. We planned the shit out of it and did it. We got caught almost immediately, but kids that age are a lot more capable than you think.
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hrbekcheatedin91 Mar 19, 2026 +11
How did your life turn out after that? That's a wild thing to come back from.
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[deleted] Mar 19, 2026 +11
Hahaha, it was rough for a while, but I had really good parents and had a kid 2 weeks after I turned 19, and his mom dipped out (didn’t want to be a mom),so I had to get it together. I’m a stay at home dad these days with a 4 kids and an awesome wife. Nobody would ever guess I was once a shit bag.
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VegasRoomEscape Mar 19, 2026 +6
Its a charge of 1st degree murder. Not a conviction. It very well could fall short before the fact finder.
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Raammson Mar 20, 2026 +3
It can be more fucked then you realize first degree murder has several flavors the standard one just involves preparation and planning however some states say for example 1 minute is enough time to prepare and others require hours. So it depending on colorados laws this could have been planned out for pretty long amount of time. 
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nativeyeast Mar 19, 2026 +390
Used to date a guy who worked with youths like this in hospitals, detention centers, and camp settings. He once did some art therapy with some children under 10 or so, and a 7 year old drew him hanging from a noose with the words “BEN IS A PUNK ASS B****.”
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mhornberger Mar 19, 2026 +149
C minus. Unoriginal composition, proportions are wrong, no attempt at correct 1- or 2-point perspective.
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Prozac-and-Cody Mar 19, 2026 +53
It’s too on the nose. I need abstract. I need this art to tell me itself that Ben is a punk ass b**** without being explicitly written. C.
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kalitarios Mar 19, 2026 +3
“This is Beyonce pouring sugar on my d***”
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CaptainDue3810 Mar 19, 2026 +67
Well...was he?
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nativeyeast Mar 19, 2026 +107
Nah. Dude just wants to help. Some kids are actual monsters.
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Tlali22 Mar 19, 2026 +22
Plot twist: the *kid* was the punk ass b**** the whole time!
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Tryknj99 Mar 19, 2026 +17
In my experience if you remove 90% of those “monsters” from their situation and place them with competent caretakers, suddenly they’re not so monstrous. I used to work at a place that had a section for teen substance abusers and those kids suddenly made a lot of sense when you meet the parents…. A lot of kids are just reacting to what happens around them based on what they know, and what they know what’s taught to them by shit parents. Being “born a monster” is actually really rare. Most people have to be sculpted into them. At home there’s probably an adult talking to the 7 year old like that, threatening then, etc. Dad hits mom, mom hits kid, kid hits dog, etc. Trickle down abuse.
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HarmlessSnack Mar 20, 2026 +5
I don’t doubt that, but the other 10% are scary.
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Significant-Kale-463 Mar 19, 2026 +14
No, he was a mark ass busta.
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October_13th Mar 19, 2026 +571
This is horrifying. Truly a parent’s worst nightmare. What an awful tragedy, I can’t even imagine what they’re going through right now.
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ohfrackthis Mar 19, 2026 +177
This is truly horrific.
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hhairy Mar 19, 2026 +1137
But the father who shot his daughter in the chest and killed her, gets no charges. *sigh*
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ElderberryPrior27648 Mar 19, 2026 +278
Drunk, following an argument, with witnesses It’s insane
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694meok Mar 19, 2026 +89
But you see he just wanted to show her his gun, how was he supposed to know it was loaded when he pointed it at her accidentally and his finger had a seizure jumping to the trigger and pulling it. Surprised he didn't say the devil showed up and did it.
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Fl0riduh_Man Mar 19, 2026 +41
Gov. Papa Wheelie just pardoned a pedo for murdering a BLM activist  It's not a state, it's a terrorist organization with a large hat
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Fl0riduh_Man Mar 19, 2026 +295
That just shows you the difference between state justice systems that protect one party, and states where justice is applied across the board. Texas is less a state and more of an open air prison for anyone not associated with the ruling clique 
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Jtown021 Mar 19, 2026 +19
Team f*** texas with you! 
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giddeonfox Mar 19, 2026 +41
Was just thinking about this when I read this title. What a crazy world
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LingonberryPrior6896 Mar 19, 2026 +2
That was Texas.
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Walmartian_Beta Mar 19, 2026 +209
Has anything come out about what happened? Seems like nobody is talking about this at all, I know that's probably for the best, but I'm just so curious about cases where children end up killing someone.
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Meta2048 Mar 19, 2026 +270
Lots of laws restricting any information about crimes involving minors.
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airstream87 Mar 19, 2026 +25
I don't know about this case, but I can tell you about a boy who killed his brother when he was 8-ish with a loaded gun owned by the moms boyfriend. The boy went into a group home afterwards and as a teen was still causing trouble. One day he wound up pouring a flammable substance on someone else. Had he had access to a match, lighter, etc. he would have definitely lit that person on fire. EDIT: I looked up where this boy is now. He's in his late teens/early 20s and was recently sentenced to 10 years in prison for a string of robberies and stabbings. Heartbreaking. I really hoped the best for him.
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TheBestNick Mar 19, 2026 +52
My wife said she saw somewhere reported he stabbed him.
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LingonberryPrior6896 Mar 19, 2026 +2
Nope. I live in Centennial. They are being very tight lipped
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RelativeCareless2192 Mar 19, 2026 +54
Having a kid is like playing the l******, where you can get anything from an Einstein to a Jeffrey Dahmer.
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foxontherox Mar 19, 2026 +13
Big motivating factor for me not to have any kids, honestly.
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Cautious-Chicken-708 Mar 20, 2026 +3
An Einstein to an Epstein
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Chrono_Convoy Mar 19, 2026 +254
Two lives ruined How incredibly sad
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mallvvalking Mar 19, 2026 +317
More than that, how horrific for the parents/community
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Chrono_Convoy Mar 19, 2026 +20
Yep. Takes a village.
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remove_pants Mar 19, 2026 +81
More than two. The parents and other immediate family too.
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ThrowAway_Blah_1 Mar 19, 2026 +76
I just relinquished custody of my now 15 year old after fighting useless DHS (CPS) for two years He was flat out a psychopath. And nothing and no one would help. I mean. Fire starting. Animal torture. Mental and psychological terrorism. Physical violence— literally I had to have my other children loc themselves in their room at night so he wouldn’t kill them in their sleep Obviously we tried everything to help him starting at age five onward. It came to a head around the age of 11 and escalated for many years of hell until I finally was able to press charges and get him put in jail The systems are useless in these situations. DHS had a single plan: send him home regardless and punish the parents until they take him home. We spent thousands if not tens of thousands on attorney fees fighting DHS on this In the end. We succeeded with relinquishing the child and now have to try and somehow pick up the pieces from the biological l****** of loving and caring for a child who wanted to kill us It’s very sad. It’s very real. And a lot of times the parents are just guilty by default regardless of how much they love and try to care for the child
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Broad-Pomelo-6187 Mar 19, 2026 +8
This made me extraordinarily sad for you
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LingonberryPrior6896 Mar 19, 2026 +8
I am sorry.
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DarthOldMan Mar 19, 2026 +13
Well, that’s enough internet for today. Going outside to touch some grass.
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happy_dad857 Mar 19, 2026 +102
Honestly, would you be able to forgive the kid and still support him during his eventual prison sentence? “He’s my son, I can’t just stop loving him and being there for him.” I donno how I would handle that tbh
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Far-Conflict-1172 Mar 19, 2026 +68
Idk honestly the kid needed some kind of help. As a parent I'd be wondering wtf happened and what did I miss. I'd have to try and talk to the kid if nothing else later.
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rttnmnna Mar 19, 2026 +70
Sadly, the parents may have seen it and begged for help for years. There is very little help available for minors with mental health issues, and nearly impossible to have them removed from the family home, even if they are dangerous and violent.
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MouthofTrombone Mar 19, 2026 +13
Parents will sometimes, in desperation, even abandon their own children to the state to access services. It is bleak.
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rttnmnna Mar 19, 2026 +6
And even that process is not simple or risk free. I know families were dhs has threatened to prosecute parents for child abandonment and/or remove their other children from their care. Even in cases were the minor in question has physically harmed their parents and siblings.
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lnc_5103 Mar 19, 2026 +5
This happens far more often than people realize - especially with kids adopted from foster care.
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puppylust Mar 19, 2026 +23
As the sibling of a violent child, I find it hard to have sympathy for the parents. Mine were in total denial, and I'm the one who has to live with the scars. I was only safe when I got to go stay with another family member for a while. I wish they would've given me to my aunt, so that I could've had a better shot at happiness.
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rttnmnna Mar 19, 2026 +8
I'm sorry you went through that. How are your relationships with your family now?
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puppylust Mar 19, 2026 +19
Not good, but I have a partner and friends. I haven't talked to my mother in a year. A few years back, I went off about how I had to leave the family and move to another state to be safe. She regrets her choices, but that doesn't bring me much comfort. I've barely spoken to my father since I was 12. He made a joke about having one less mouth to feed if brother murdered me. I cut off my sister because she said some awful shit about my being abused and neglected wasn't a big deal. It's easy for her to live in denial because she wasn't there. She was barely around once she got a car at 16 - I was 5. I don't blame her for having her own life and leaving. I won't be lied to about my childhood by someone who was living in another city. I reconnected with my aunt and uncle in my 30's. We talk regularly.
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Cold-Lynx575 Mar 19, 2026 +37
I hate this thought but I do wonder if some people are just born that way. But seems like the parents would see it.
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twaejikja Mar 19, 2026 +51
It makes no sense to say that people aren’t. I mean, we accept things like ADHD, depression, schizophrenia as things people are born with, so it’s only logical that some people might be born as a “psychopath”with violent tendencies or something similar…obviously there’s also failings in the part of parents / friends etc to get that person help, but…plenty of child murder cases where you can tell something was just not right from the beginning, IMO
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PhantomMenaceWasOK Mar 19, 2026 +18
All of those things you mention have strong environmental components to it. It's more that some people are genetically more at risk.
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Far-Conflict-1172 Mar 19, 2026 +12
My sister showed some really shitty traits starting young but idk that anyone knew it was a real issue until she was well into adulthood. My mom worked 1-2 jobs and was in college and dad worked otr. Even if they could have had time to notice she had issues much deeper than she'd shown they couldn't have afforded the time off work and the cost of extensive therapy yanno?
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Relevant-Count-3656 Mar 19, 2026 +3
I think some kids are "born that way". I know a family that had two sons. One turned out good. The other ended up in Federal Prison and after that in and out of County Jails for years until he died of an overdose. They were both raised the same way. One son was fine the other not.
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ROMVS Mar 19, 2026 +24
Yup, some kids are born violent, ticking time bombs
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PhantomMenaceWasOK Mar 19, 2026 +21
Sometimes they are, but the vast majority of the time, it's related to their upbringing.
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Cold-Lynx575 Mar 19, 2026 +3
One of our neighbors had five kids. The oldest one ... he was different. One of the other neighbors asked me if I thought something was off about the kids. I had noticed it, but then we kinda laughed it off. We talked about what jerks we were for making any assumptions about an 11 year old. They moved away so I don't know what happened to them. But I still wonder.
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Zestyclose-Novel1157 Mar 19, 2026 +7
I guarantee there were signs that something wasn’t right. It’s really sad I’m sure the parents never thought this would happen.
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Far-Conflict-1172 Mar 20, 2026 +3
I mean you can guarantee all kinds of things but nobody gives parents a handbook to know. Nor does that give them the resources needed to take care of it.
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medicalmosquito Mar 19, 2026 +5
There's a documentary on YouTube about exactly this, a mom who, for whatever reason, continued to love and support her son who killed her daughter--his BABY sister--when she was like two or three years old, and he was a teenager. The mom has always stood by him. It's so f****** weird considering he was an actual teenager when it happened and not a young adolescent.
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SitInCorner_Yo2 Mar 19, 2026 +98
I don’t even know 11 yo can be prosecuted for murder holy shit.
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meatball77 Mar 19, 2026 +60
It's typically the bottom end. Certainly prosecuted as a minor and a major psych evaluation will be needed. I suspect the kid has major mental issues. His classmates were probably scared of him.
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sprocks17 Mar 19, 2026 +68
Yes but likely will be charged as a juvenile which typically means they are kept in juvenile hall till 18 or 21 or something along those lines and then they are released. Although in the USA they have charged kids as young as 9 I've seen as an adult where if convicted they stay in juvie till around 18 then go to adult prison.
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eurtoast Mar 19, 2026 +21
NY has a few high profile cases where the perpetrator was a juvenile at the time of the crime and up to 30 years later they're still incarcerated.
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statslady23 Mar 19, 2026 +7
They tried an 11 year old in PA as an adult, found him guilty, imprisoned him, then vacated his sentence due to evidence not being disclosed or misconstrued. 
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blueskies8484 Mar 19, 2026 +11
I believe in Colorado children have to be 12 to be prosecuted as adults, so this will likely be handled in the juvenile system. If they’re under 10, I don’t believe they are prosecuted but instead referred to DHS. This varies widely by state. There are states that have no minimum age for adulr prosecution where children could technically be tried as adults at any age, although generally practically age 8 is usually considered the minimum although not statutorily required - technically a 5 year old could be charged as an adult if the court allowed it, although for crimes involving intent, you may run into issues.
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DemonicGman Mar 19, 2026 +8
In Detroit we had Nathaniel Abraham convicted of murder as as an adult at the age of 11.
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brightmoor Mar 19, 2026 +2
Pontiac, but yeah he got convicted of second degree. Released at 21 I think and in trouble not long after iirc.
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Retrofool Mar 19, 2026 +104
The guy who just “accidentally” took his daughter into his room pointed a gun at her and shot her after they had an argument about his support for the administration wasn’t even charged. So I guess we’ve found the opposite end of the spectrum
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SpeechDistinct8793 Mar 19, 2026 +45
That was Texas and that’s just how they get down over there
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fullmoon63 Mar 19, 2026 +40
That’s just heartbreaking all around. Two kids and an entire family’s life changed forever.
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RottedHuman Mar 19, 2026 +16
When I was 13 I was over at a friends house (he was 11). His older brother shot him in the head right in front of me (also put the gun to my head and pulled the trigger, thankfully the gun did not fire). The murderer was fifteen. He ended up serving less than 7 years. The prosecutor didn’t want the family to ‘lose two sons’. I don’t think an 11 year old should be tried as an adult, but a 15 year old (who had the year previously brought a gun to school and pointed it at another kid) should absolutely get more than 7 years for murder. Our justice system is so fucked.
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huxtiblejones Mar 19, 2026 +19
Stories like this are like a cold knife in my heart since I had kids. It hits waaaay differently. It always would’ve sounded awful, but now it’s visceral. There’s some part of my nature that was activated when I had kids that just reacts so strongly to stories of kids getting hurt.
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lukaisthegoatx Mar 19, 2026 +7
So what was the motive and method?
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WillingPlayed Mar 19, 2026 +7
Undisclosed because the victim and perp are both minors
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Cool_Year5240 Mar 19, 2026 +7
Well, that's an insane headline I didn't figure I'd be reading anytime soon.
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papaswamp Mar 21, 2026 +2
Read the article people. Not charged as an adult. Most he can get is 3-7 years for 1st degree as a minor.
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candycrunch1 Mar 21, 2026 +2
I feel like this goes hand in hand with how violence and abuse towards siblings is rarely taken seriously. Personally I was abused by my older sister my entire life until she left the house, nobody ever believed me or took it seriously because “that’s just how siblings are!” there was also this angle of “of course she’s mean to you, you’re the annoying younger sibling! Everyone hates their younger sibling!” Stories like these make me so sad and so scared for what could have been for me, and what currently happens in homes across the world that people are completely ignorant to. I wish these things were taken more seriously, especially when the abuser is able to mask and is generally seen as an outgoing and popular person to those outside the immediate family. We need to do better for our kids, I wish I had someone to protect me when I needed it.
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