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‘Animal Farm’ Review: Seth Rogen, Kieran Culkin and Glenn Close Voice Andy Serkis’ Dumbed-Down Orwell Adaptation

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‘Animal Farm’ Review: Seth Rogen, Kieran Culkin and Glenn Close Voice Andy Serkis’ Dumbed-Down Orwell Adaptation
The Hollywood Reporter
‘Animal Farm’ Review: Seth Rogen, Kieran Culkin and Glenn Close Voice Andy Serkis’ Dumbed-Down Orwell Adaptation
Gaten Matarazzo, Woody Harrelson and Laverne Cox also lend their vocal talent to this latest animated version of the classic tale.

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mbmm 1 day ago +583
Zeitgeist captured: ~~Orwellian~~ *Dumbed-Down Orwell Adaptation*
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Ghost_Of_Malatesta 1 day ago +115
It's doubleplus good!
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SwingKey3599 1 day ago +16
doublespeak good. Doubleplusspeak better
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gregpurcott 22 hr ago +6
Make sure to download the app and sign up for a Double+ subscription!
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black_flag_4ever 1 day ago +59
Sometimes you stumble upon a devastatingly accurate comment. What if Big Brother was a diaper wearing angry old man with dementia and stupid hair?
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SwingKey3599 1 day ago +8
big brother is the boss baby
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CandidBee8695 1 day ago +11
Big brother is everyone’s incessant need to film everything
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St0n3yM33rkat 1 day ago +5
Big brother was the friends we made along the way
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fredjutsu 1 day ago +2
This is actually a thesis i've seen: [http://asoba.co/1984-in-reverse.html](http://asoba.co/1984-in-reverse.html)
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CandidBee8695 1 day ago +1
I said this 20 years ago. Don’t need a thesis.
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Ski_Area51 1 day ago +3
Top tier comment.
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SatoshiReport 17 hr ago +1
It's pretty dumbed down in its original form
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Ozatopcascades 16 hr ago +1
That's your modest proposal? Think Gulliver's Travels was for children?
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SatoshiReport 15 hr ago +1
The title in the post is Animal Farm. Why are you talking about Gulliver Travels?
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Bruschetta_Bout_It 1 day ago +317
I understand taking old media and redeveloping it so that it is consumed by a new and wider audience. However, Animal Farm does not need modernized. Its themes are timeless and the original form is just as consumable and relevant as it was 80 years ago. Orwell was incredibly pragmatic using animals to make the situation continuously applicable. Just read the damn book, it's only like 100 pages, or listen to the audio book.
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BrainDamage2029 1 day ago +111
It’s also just….explicitly and unequivocally about Stalin. FYI Orwell was a socialist who hated tankies/Stalin apologists. He said he chose the farm metaphor “a child could understand” because he wanted to be so blunt even his opponents couldn’t try to change what it was about.
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DistrictDry2852 1 day ago +13
If anything the book whitewashes the authoritarianism by portraying Lenin and Trotsky as the “good ones”.
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Iblueddit 1 day ago -14
lol no it doesn't. That's just a ridiculous claim. It's so obviously an anti-authoritarian book that this comment should genuinely embarrass you. You've just written down and posted to the world that you're not really literate. Or that you haven't actually read the book. Either way you look like a bit of a tool.
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AsherFischell 1 day ago +12
This is one of the most condescending, childish replies I've ever seen on the internet. The irony of your last sentence is staggering.
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Iblueddit 1 day ago -12
Go take your hurt feelings to your mom
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AsherFischell 1 day ago +8
Your response wasn't to me and didn't hurt my feelings. But you're incredibly rude and also at least a bit of a bully and I just wanted you to know that.
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Iblueddit 1 day ago -11
I dont give a f*** dude.
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topchease13 22 hr ago +7
Congrats?
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Iblueddit 22 hr ago -4
Thanks?
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bestbefour 14 hr ago +2
I also don’t like you.
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Iblueddit 13 hr ago +1
Lol so? Like what does that even mean? Some guy on the internet doesnt like the one dimensional experience he had with a one dimensional version of me that he experienced for 0.5 seconds while he was taking a shit? What could that possibly mean to me other than nothing? Which begs the question of why would I bother to respond? But that begs the question of why would you respond to me to tell me you dont like me? Isn't that the same thing? A vein response to a one dimensional insult? I dont know man. All I know is that im not as shitty as you think I am, and I dont care as much as my reply would imply. Also America has concentration camps and thats really fucked up. So. Yeah.
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DistrictDry2852 1 day ago +8
I think the book is anti authoritarian, Orwell just fell for the lie the USSR was all rainbows and sunshine until Stalin came along. Lenin and Trotsky were both just as authoritarian as Stalin, Stalin just weaponized the system for his own benefit unlike those two, who while still being dictatorial monsters genuinely believed in it while Stalin was more cynical. If Trotsky had taken power, there’s probably not as many purges and no holodomor, but the USSR might still be worse off because Stalin focused on industrializing the nation and focusing on what he had unlike Lenin and Trotskys plan of focusing on spreading communism to other countries. Plus Trotsky was still all for authoritarianism and dictatorship. Remember, Lenin started the dictatorship and secret police, not stalin. Lenin believed democracy and free speech were tools of capitalist control, and instead of giving the means of production to the workers put them in the hands of a small group of oligarchs, ahem I mean socialist intellectuals, because he didn’t trust the people not to go back to capitalism.
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Iblueddit 1 day ago +4
He doesn't try to make Trotsky and Lenin into good people. You're reading into something that doesn't exist. They're just characters in a story about how power is a corrupting influence and how centralization of power does not change power structures or help people. They're included in the story because that's what happened, not because Trotsky is good. This whole Trotsky aspect is just not really the point or something he's trying to say.
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CisIowa 21 hr ago +3
And if you look at the way the pigs consolidate power, if Napoleon wasn’t there, the corruption would still happen. Snowball was eating them milk and apples as much as Napoleon. The windmill would still get built. The humans would still return. The pigs would find a reason to >!massacre voices of dissent!<
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IcedThunder 1 day ago +4
Also important context, it was an attack on Stalin from further left.  He was mad Stalin did not continue the movement to further communism and dismantle the power of the state. This is what makes it even more silly when someone tries to claim it's somehow anti-communist.
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Iblueddit 1 day ago +13
Not one word of this is true lol
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IcedThunder 1 day ago +3
I'm all ears for any sources you have to the contrary that he wrote the book as a critique of Stalin and how specifically the Russian revolution went wrong.
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Iblueddit 1 day ago +11
Now you're correct. The critique is that power was not devolved to the people. That the hierarchy and leadership structure, if left unchanged, doesn't change the system. It only puts new people at the top. I'm not sure this critique counts as "further left" or not anti-communist. It's a commentary on power systems and human nature.
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DistrictDry2852 1 day ago +4
The book glorifies Trotsky as this benevolent figure chased out of the farm. Trotsky’s whole thing is he wanted to keep invading countries to spread communism (as Marx taught after the first socialist revolution it would set off a chain reaction that led to global socialism). This failed in Germany when the Spartacist revolt was put down and Stalin decided to focus on what he already had instead of basically being in a forever war with the whole world, breaking with orthodox Marxism. To this day it’s not uncommon to see Leninists who don’t mind the genocides or purges, they dislike him for not following Marx closely enough.
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arul20 1 day ago
Also Trump
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Chemistry11 23 hr ago +3
Originally, no. But I’m gonna back you claim (and oppose the downvote you got). On Nov. 9, 2024 I watched the 1999 adaptation of Animal Farm (Jim Henson Productions). Really well done. And…. Exactly all the same trumpist bullshit I’d just gone through. Everyone cries 1984 for Kidfucker King ‪ Treasonтяuмp, meanwhile he’s f****** pig
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FooLi0CooLi0 1 day ago +24
People less read so simple movie better understand. /Unga a... dunga
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DrunkBrokeBeachParty 1 day ago +5
Pig fart mean capitalism funny concept…. Ugga
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barktothefuture 1 day ago +7
My 7 year old saw the trailer and wants to see the movie. He is not going to read the book.
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Bruschetta_Bout_It 1 day ago +19
Your child may be advanced but I don't think many 7 year olds would really grasp Animal Farm. They could have very easily made a child's movie with similar themes and not used Animal Farm as the source material.
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averagesoccermom95 1 day ago +2
I don't know that they would grasp it, but let me tell you, the trailer for Animal Farm came on before the new Super Mario movie. I was in a theater full of kids who actually started repeating the line, "Some animals are more equal than others." I was actually astonished that they chose that line to repeat. Anyway, my kids are all pumped for the "New farm animal movie" and they are dying to see it lol.
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Bruschetta_Bout_It 1 day ago +10
While it is a great example of dark humor, kids chanting the line used to promote inequality might be one of the best examples as to why this probably shouldn't have been made into a kid's movie.
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Emotional_Database53 1 day ago +1
I understood it when I watched lit as a kid. It’s designed that way, like Orwell himself has said in interview. I also remember Watership Down and though both scared me a little when I was 6, I vividly remember the message they were sending. The issue I have with this new adaptation is it turning the volume down on the meaningful stuff, simply because it makes kids uncomfortable when they think about it
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Bobalery 1 day ago +3
My 11 year old is more than old enough to read a short novel on her own, but we ended up reading it out loud to her this year. She still enjoys being read to even if she doesn’t need it anymore, and we get to dig down on the themes and discuss real-world applications or comparisons. 7 might be a bit young to really get it, but maybe in a couple of years you can try it out?
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ampersands-guitars 1 day ago +1
It's also notably not for children.
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AntiSocialFCK 1 day ago +289
George Orwell is probably rolling in his grave so fast we could harness it as a renewable energy source.
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Horror_Response_1991 1 day ago +50
He’s probably content with an “I correctly predicted everything” smile 
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gourmetprincipito 1 day ago +38
Unfortunately Orwell would probably find it depressing he was right, not satisfying
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DavidLivedInBritain 1 day ago +10
Him and Vonnegut
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UnquestionabIe 23 hr ago +7
As a massive Vonnegut fan I think about how he would feel about the last decade pretty often. During the 2000s he absolutely hated the Bush administration so can only imagine. In a way happy he hasn't had to witness this shit show.
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Special-Garlic1203 1 day ago +7
Orwell didn't predict anything. It was a reflection on authoritarianism based on what he had already witnessed in the present.  Technically his prediction was that England staying a constitutional monarchy would mean the issues *wouldn't* come to the country, so he was just flat out wrong there.  He wasn't happy about his conclusions at the time, so I don't know why he'd get any pleasure in seeing it get worse. 
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esmifra 1 day ago +11
By using steam?
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werepenguins 1 day ago -13
they stole a joke that really requires more setup to work: [https://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/](https://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/)
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SkyL1N3eH 1 day ago +13
This is hardly unique enough to be considered a stolen joke. I’ve heard it since literal grade school. Maybe find something useful to police with your time lmao
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ForcedEntry420 1 day ago +3
Jokes been around longer than I’ve been alive. Get better hobbies.
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werepenguins 1 day ago -21
Looks like I found a fan of Desden Codak: (stealing jokes is bad, but like, it's the internet) [https://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/](https://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/)
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SharMarali 1 day ago +12
I promise this is not the first person to ever make that joke.
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AntiSocialFCK 1 day ago +5
I honestly have no idea who that is. But not surprised its not a massively unique joke
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werepenguins 1 day ago -1
mwahahah! you've been tricked into getting addicted to a new web comic!
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urkermannenkoor 22 hr ago +1
No, they're not.
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sadistica23 1 day ago +3
The joke predates the 21st century.
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Galahad_the_Ranger 1 day ago +79
No one can deny Serkis is a great actor. But all the films he’s directed have been bad
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masterjonmaster 1 day ago +44
That’s why him making that new LOTR film doesn’t give me the best confidence….
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RevelArchitect 1 day ago +21
Sauron came back somehow.
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ReleventReference 1 day ago +3
In the new one they’ll use the eagles to go places.
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ZedTheEvilTaco 1 day ago +16
What you weren't a fan of... Um... Damn. Ya, you got a point... It's not a long list, but it's not a good one, either...
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freekehleek 1 day ago +8
It’s a bad list, but at least it’s also short!
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SolomonAsassin 17 hr ago +1
I might be the only one who kinda liked Mowgli
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musuperjr585 1 day ago +107
Wow .. the movie idea no one liked is being dumped on by critic's *pretends to be surprised*
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OPMajoradidas 1 day ago +20
I mean animal farm is a good kids story. High-school middleschool level. Read the book watch the movie kind of thing.
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WhiteSoxChartGuy 1 day ago +8
Animal Farm was the only book I had to read in high school tha I actually liked because I understood all the references and meanings
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RealCoolDad 1 day ago +61
How many days until it’s revealed Angel studios is a money laundering scheme or a Russian asset
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BabypintoJuniorLube 1 day ago +60
Worse, they're diehard Mormons.
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cannibalpeas 1 day ago +41
Exactly. They’re most famous for Sound of Freedom, a Christian-coded film about a sex trafficking investigator who, you’re not gonna believe this… was actually using his position to sexually exploit women who wanted to help. Another self-aggrandizing “Christian” sex pest this studio is still all too proud to continue supporting and promoting. Oh, and his accusations were false and ruined numerous peoples’ lives. Oh, and he was also kicked out of the anti-sex trafficking org *he founded* after an internal investigation into his rapiness. Angel still supports and promotes him. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sound-of-freedom-tim-ballard-angel-studios-lawsuit-1234974841/
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stolenfires 23 hr ago +3
That... explains a lot.
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Angry-Dragon-1331 1 day ago +10
I think that more than anything is the biggest reason to avoid this.
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steeveperry 1 day ago +1
It’s wild to me how everyone thinks Russia controls the world via media, but also, Russia hasn’t really improved its standing/gotten what it wants. Meanwhile, Americans pretend that America—the biggest exporter of media and a country that leverages media to launder lies to its citizenry so they consent to unpopular wars/military actions—does nothing wrong. They pretend that Russia or whatever enemy to the US du jour is actually the ones doing shady shit in media. Americans will be subjected to a thing, then turn around and accuse everyone else of doing that thing. It’s wild to me.
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Final_Boss_Jr 1 day ago +8
Nobody thinks Russia controls the media. But Russia absolutely pays a lot of money to influence *Right Wing media*. It’s the payoff to having “influenced” Trump and his kids since the 90’s and earlier.
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steeveperry 1 day ago +2
And what have they influenced him to do? Russia has not had any meaningful, material improvements geopolitically. American media has tricked you into thinking that Russia did all the bad things, when in reality, US billionaires (the very ones who control the media that convinced you that Russia did this and Russia did that) have done all the harm. You’re a rube. A sucker. Someone who has been swindled.
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UnpluggedUnfettered 1 day ago +1
On one hand there's that, and on the other hand Russia has been allowed to literally collect ousted world leaders since at least the 1900's. This also encourages leaders on the outs to form stronger bonds and make deals while still in influence. I'm not saying they have powerful as individual leaders of smaller powers, but there's an amount of influence you get when you are a leader at all, and you have information that is pretty great to have about where and how money flows. That said, Russsian spies etc. aren't joked about as incompetent in most any serious media, and for a reason. If you're going to underestimate Russian influence, then at least contend with the reality they've [had deep tendrils within the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen) in ways that support the idea that Russia might specifically have one over on the US in ways that most places might not.
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RealCoolDad 1 day ago +3
For real, Russia has a decades long destabilization plan for the United States, and it’s been working. I mean, they invaded Ukraine, and because the US is infighting they got away with it. Now, the fact that Russia overestimates how much of a super power they are, and they weren’t able to take Ukraine in a week is a different story.
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iamacannibal 1 day ago +8
Andy Serkis is such a great actor and character performer…and just really not good at choosing projects to direct.
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leonredhorse 1 day ago +68
Remember, Orwell was an anti-Stalinist, NOT an anti-Communist the way earlier productions depicted (that’s the CIA part they talk about in the article).
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Ghost_Of_Malatesta 1 day ago +39
Bro literally fought on the revolutionary side in Spain with a Marxist militia ffs
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Caesar161 1 day ago +10
He fought with the anarchists didn't he?
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Ghost_Of_Malatesta 1 day ago +12
Iit was the POUM, who call themselves Marxist but would be seen as libertarian Marxism by today's standards (if my understanding is correct) and due to their anti-stalinist tendencies, they worked with anarchist militias more than "communist" ones
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NIN10DOXD 1 day ago +17
Yeah, he was a huge Trotsky fan which is why he was the inspiration for Snowball while Napoleon is a stand-in for Stalin.
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KickAClay 15 hr ago +1
Where can I read more about this (Trotsky and Napoleon)? I've read Animal Farm a few times, but would love to learn more about the comparisons you mentioned. Any good books on Russian history like William L. S. book called Rise and fall of the third Reich?
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EntertainmentQuick47 1 day ago +2
I feel like people really don’t understand that fact
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SoggyCroissant87 1 day ago +12
Why the F*** is Seth Rogen taking a I'm paycheck from Angel Studios?
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TasteTheBiscuit1810 1 day ago +20
Actually none of the actors worked with Angel Studios themselves. The film was already made and bought by Angel.
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SteveBorden 1 day ago +5
Yeah they’re just distributors, this film has actually been in the works since 2011 somehow and began production as a Netflix film.
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MagnusRexus 1 day ago +1
Good to know, I've been wondering why actors like Rogen and Ben Kingsley (Young Washington) are working with the Christian far right.
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A_Nonny_Muse 1 day ago +6
Gotta aim for the masses if you want to make money. I guess they figure the masses are not smart enough to get the finer points of the book. Looking at the fact that 23% of Americans think Trump is not responsible for rising gas prices, I'd have to say they may have a point.
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allothernamestaken 21 hr ago +2
A certain percentage of Americans, probably not that much less than that 23%, will never hold Trump responsible for anything, *no matter what.*
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AggressivelyCalmLeo 1 day ago +16
This "review" reads like the author really hated the movie, but is friends with someone in the production so is trying not to actually pan it. Very weird "balanced" take.
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allothernamestaken 21 hr ago +1
Really? It read like a pan to me.
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HussingtonHat 1 day ago +7
So not a story that needs modernising. The book isn't even long! There's a good chance kids do it in school! I bloody well did.
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mewithoutCthulhu 1 day ago +5
My wife and I took our daughter to see Hoppers a few months ago. My wife is big on classic literature, and when the trailer for this started playing and she realized what was on screen she looked over at me with her mouth open in shock, and just whispered, “What the f***?!”
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StevenLovely 1 day ago +5
If this is for an American audience it needs to be dumbed down.
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MandatorySaxSolo 1 day ago +4
Serkis did this? Dude, youre an amazing VA and actor. Why was this a good idea to you?
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Ok-Jump-2660 1 day ago +12
What else did you expect after learning Seth Rogen was going to be in it?
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OnlyPaperListens 21 hr ago +3
Imagining his black-lung voice horking it through ninety minutes of class commentary via beastiality.
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Mddcat04 1 day ago +3
The man literally just won 4 Emmys for The Studio. It’s not like he’s a hack.
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theLumonati 1 day ago +3
The guy is obviously smart and capable, but if you look at his filmography The Studio is clearly an outlier.
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Mddcat04 1 day ago -2
It’s an outlier in terms of awards success, but he’s written and acted in a bunch of good stuff. (Also some trash to be sure). Like, even in terms of animated stuff, he recently wrote / stated in the TMNT movie, which was apparently very well regarded.
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theLumonati 1 day ago +2
I didn’t mean The Studio is the only good thing that he’s done. I meant that it’s an outlier because it has a different tone and type of humor than his other work.
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Mddcat04 1 day ago
All I’m saying is that I disagree with the guy I replied to that Seth being involved in a project means you should expect it will be bad.
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Ok-Jump-2660 1 day ago +1
If you throw enough mud at a wall…
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Diskonto 1 day ago +3
The book is dumbed down to begin with.
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DoubleFlores24 1 day ago +3
Yeah, I don’t know what they were thinking making this shit.
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MarioMan1213245765 1 day ago +3
Maybe Angel Studios censored a bunch of it. Something’s fishy about those guys…
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whereisbeezy 23 hr ago +3
The trailer was... hopefully misleading? Because otherwise my opinion of Andy Serkis has plummeted. It looks as brainless as ANGRY BIRDS.
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sammickeyd 1 day ago +4
Andy Serkis must bey stopped
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2401PenitentTangentx 1 day ago +9
Do all the animals smoke weed?
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TheChaddingtonBear 1 day ago +14
Hurr hurr hurr
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allothernamestaken 21 hr ago +2
Huehuehuehue
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spelldonvalentine 1 day ago +2
Is it tracking to flop? One can only hope.
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nambrosch 1 day ago +2
This is embarrassing
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clicker666 1 day ago +2
Is this r/nottheonion ?
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ampersands-guitars 1 day ago +2
I was honestly stunned when I saw this trailer. When I first saw Andy Serkis was attached to an Animal Farm film, I was thinking something more along the lines of his Planet of the Apes films, not...whatever the hell this is. It frightens me that this many big celebrities attached themselves to this project.
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Resident_Course_3342 1 day ago +2
Suck it Orwell, Huxley was right. 
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Profeta_do_Loss 21 hr ago +2
Is anyone worried about the next Lord of the Rings movie? Andy Serkis is a bad director.
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2kids3kats 21 hr ago +2
I believe I saw that the production was bought out by a right wing Christian organization who changed the ending to fit their political stance.
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Daimakku1 19 hr ago +2
This movie being made by Angel Studios makes me suspicious as to its hidden agenda.
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Soberaddiction1 1 day ago +1
I’ve grown to like Seth Rogen as Alan. Please don’t ruin it for me.
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RoninRobot 1 day ago +1
If you’re going to tear down a serious work to the bones and rebuild it as something else for a reason, that’s deconstructionism. Otherwise it’s vandalism. See: Starship Troopers.
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PutinsLostBlackBelt 1 day ago +2
Are you saying Starship Troopers was vandalism or deconstructionism? I personally liked the movie more than the book and thought it still retained a useful message of propaganda.
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RoninRobot 23 hr ago +1
I will also reserve judgement on the Animal Farm adaptation until I see it. Do I think it’s a good fit for a children’s animated comedy? Not particularly. But they may do it justice if they do it right.
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Perfect-District 1 day ago +1
Saw the preview during Mario Galaxy and was like oh Gawd at first till it played itself out and was just like hmm not sure anyone asked for this but ok.
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TyraForever 15 hr ago +1
Serkis is a phony artist
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Jonny-Raze 1 day ago +2
Anything with Seth Rogan means I’m not watching it.
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JakeHelldiver 1 day ago
But Pineapple Express!
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Embarrassed_Radio596 1 day ago -1
Your loss, at least in some cases. Dude is genuinely talented.
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PhasedVenturer 1 day ago +1
lol what is that headline? Thanks for giving us the cast members in your review summation, I guess??
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BeBopNHustleSteady 1 day ago +1
I thought this been out..
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LynnK0919 1 day ago +2
The release date is May 1, 2026.
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BillianForsee94 1 day ago -4
Honestly I’m just kind of blown away that Hollywood still thinks criticizing capitalism is witty. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be criticized, but if they decide to criticize an economic system, thats basically what they do every single time. Where’s the creativity?
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allothernamestaken 20 hr ago +2
It's been many years since I've read *Animal Farm*, but since they're already dumbing it down anyway, they could just couch it in anti-authoritarian terms and emphasize that socialism, communism, capitalism, etc. can *all* lead to authoritarism.
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Mission-Necessary111 1 day ago
It's hip/trendy to criticize capitalism rn, they're cashing in on that. Like the emoji movie
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Far_Craft_9421 1 day ago -1
Serkis is just playing to his audience. Do kids even read this book any more? These are the days books like this need to be read and understood. These are also the days directors have to dumb down movies for dumbed down attention spans to sell them. I don't envy Serkis' decision-making process or the people he had to please to get the green light to make this happen.
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dumbugg 23 hr ago +5
I teach this book 3 times a year
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Kalorama_Master 17 hr ago
I used to think Seth Rogan was a harmless, innocuous pot head with a junior high sense of humor. Now I believe he’s extremely smart but with a weird agenda. It wouldn’t surprise if there’s some stories about him. Hard pass on anything with him.
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