Appeals court upholds Florida’s ban on lab-grown meat

>Why does lab-grown meat need to be banned? Because the cattle ranchers in the state overwhelmingly donate to DeSantis and other Republicans. There. That's why. DeSantis spun it as "confronting woke ideology" and "fighting the global elites" and claiming Democrats want people to eat bugs, but in the end, it's because he got millions in donations through Super PACs from them.

The global elites are going to shove it down our collective throats before they force a transition operation on us. But after the 5G turns the clouds gay. The party of commerce and laissez faire capitalism is denying choice and competition. Sure, let's make sure lab grown meat is safe and healthy. But let the consumer decide after that point.

In Florida, everything they do is performative. They don't actually even care about this. They just need to "ban" it so the base stays happy.

Why do abortions need to be banned? Couldn't people who don't want abortions simply not get them?

True, but Republicans don't believe in free market competition breeding innovation.

That sounds suspiciously like allowing the market a little freedom. Despite what Republicans preach, that is most assuredly not approved speech. Be careful, don't wanna be labeled woke do you?

Lab grown meat, or "meat cloning" produces meat without killing an animal. Therefore, it is considered a more moral/ethical alternative to traditional meat. Conservatives hate morality/ethics. They consider it woke/liberal. Therefore, they must ban it. It's their mentality, they can't help themselves. I really wish I was just making this shit up, but this is precisely what they're thinking.

Because people who sell beef wanted it that way. The party of "FREE MARKET WILL SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS" want/need government to bully competition so they can survive.

It depends what labeling requirements exist. In the case of GMO foods, people who want to avoid them have to rely on private third party verification services because there are no labeling requirements. Labeling requirements seem much more efficient to allow people to make their own choices and allow the full market spectrum come into play

Anytime you are wondering why a ruling was made against a thing that benefits the people you can be sure it’s been done on behalf of corporate interests

Just like how if you don’t like abortions then don’t have one. Remember, this is *allegedly* the party of small government.

Because is cruelty free, that’s the policy. Texas actually had one of the largest growing sectors for synthetic meat, but then republicans shot themselves in the foot and restricted it in the state.

MAGA hates freedom and conservative values.

The people who farm the meat bribe those with power to make sure there's less competition. It's greed, nothing more to it

Do you really know everything that's inside your chicken nuggets or other processed packaged foodstuffs?

Free market (for my ideology and donors only)

Republicans don’t love the free market, they love lying about who they are and what they will do if we hand them power.

for your safety, who knows what's in it and with there being no healthcare... cannot be too careful. oh, anybody see where i left my cold glass of glyphosate tea??

How about a third option so you can break that two-party system mentality?

There has been some effort towards marketing insect-based foods (like [cricket flour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_flour)) because they can be produced in a relatively environmentally-friendly manner and many cultures are accustomed to eating some insects. Conspiracy theorists latched onto this and insist that it's a plot to **force** everyone to eat these products. It has no basis in reality, of course, but that's how conspiracy theories usually go.

Your last three words are the most important. This is purely to gin up the base and keep them terrified of things "the others" are going to do to them if they don't run to the strong man to protect them, whether those things are real or not. Vaccines, "chemtrails," migrant "invasions," litter boxes in classrooms, etc.

The madlibs style of rhetoric conservatives use is so mind-numbing and unserious that even if I held conservative beliefs I'd feel insulted being talked to that way. "Today we are fighting against the... (Rolls die, checks sheet) Kidz Bop pipeline and their (checks thesaurus) sinister attack on us by (rolls die, checks sheet) forcing us to watch frog p***."

Oh look, DeSantis opened his fat mouth again and spewed utter bullshit. Who knew?

A deep concern I have is that while politicians engaging in cynical fearmongering is nothing new, in the US their ranks are increasingly made up of people who genuinely believe this conspiracy theory nonsense. We have vast swathes of the population that live in their own bubble and have their own version of reality. It's a far more serious threat to the social order than I think most people realize. Irrationality is sleeping into every aspect of our daily lives.

The biggest enemies of small family farms are big corporate farms, and they’re the ones politicians want to protect the most.

Same people who will fight to add pink slime to your ground beef.

And if I remember correctly he announced this unhinged remark while on a podium that said "save our beef" and was paid for and might have had people attending that were all from the beef lobby or whatever. Its scary and "woke" so we must ban it because... Authoritarianism!

Protecting family farms from what exactly?

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The irony is that the Trump/RFK Jr FDA's push to eliminate artificial food coloring means more [insect-based food coloring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochineal).

It’s always been there but people got too comfortable and lowered their guards. Look at history and things like the Scopes trial.

Every day is a new insanely moronic adventure i don't want to be a part of.

The big companies like Tyson, ADM etc are investing heavily in cultured meat, and can make money with it just fine. The *ranchers* can't make money from it, and once it undercuts them in price they're out of business. And around the world it's very hard to do anything the farmers and ranchers don't want. They're the "salt of the earth" people who can do no wrong, and whose interests must be protected, no matter the environmental benefits of the alternative.

Trump judges giving Florida’s fascist little fashion boot wearing dipshit a bone

The manifest reason is being pushed as cultural pushback to modern liberal ideas. The latent reason is to reinforce rural financial support and votes.  The interior of Flordia is pretty rural and has a ton of cattle ranching. The thing about ranching is while the animal is the product, your real asset is the land. You need a LOT of land to raise cattle. Enough land that it gets expensive quick and becomes the predominate asset on the farm. The land is worth far more than all of the other assets combined, and you can leverage it for loans to help buy new equipment and smooth over operations expenses. If you look at it all, cattle, equipment, operations may be a fraction of the total value of the land.  Here’s the thing, if you can grow meat in a lab for a fraction of the price, suddenly your land is now worth a fraction of what it was worth. If the lab meat industry really takes off, and it becomes far more economical and beats out ranch supplied meat, suddenly their land isn’t with ranching and looses its value. No one that’s inherited that land, or bought it, wants to see that happen.  So it’s a defensive play to defend rural assets, to ensure they keep rural voters coming to them next election cycle, and that rural wealthy donate. 

The argument is that cattle ranchers and the beef industry do not enjoy having their stranglehold on the market and access to federal subsidies being challenged. Oh, and they vote and donate heavily to Conservatives.

It would make the current winners in the meat market less money. That's it. That's the argument.

> Genuinely what is the argument against lab grown meat. "Cruelty-free" is "woke". I believe that's the entire "argument".

The article puts forward a few arguments, as stated by the people who actually support the ban: - Protectionism for Florida's farmers - Concerns that it's not proven safe for human consumption (I don't know how valid this claim is, am simply repeating what their Agriculture Commissioner said) - And per DeSantis: "fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals", which I guess is kind of a more dramatic way of phrasing the first bullet point.

Lab-grown meat could be a true panacea for our climate crisis. The modern cattle industry is terrible for the environment: the average cattle farm creates 344,000,000 lbs of manure annually. It takes ~1800 gallons of water to produce 1 lb of beef. Cow farts produce insane amounts of methane - to the extent that animal agriculture is worse for air pollution than all global transportation. And worse yet - 30% of the earth’s surface is used for livestock. And don’t forget we have to drive all that meat across state lines in refrigerated trucks. Imagine if instead we grew meat in labs located in major cities. We no longer have to use all of our water to grow corn and soy to feed cows. We no longer have methane emissions from cow farts and manure. We are no longer polluting our water and ground soil. We no longer have to transport cow carcasses from distant farms to urban centers. So why ban it? Because state governments can’t yet cash in on it. Once that changes, the states that have banned it are going to fall all over themselves trying to get it.

People might like it, and this could decrease sales of meat, which the meat companies don't like.