The author has another book (not the same series), Recursion.
Reread both multiple times. Recursion is better overall IMO.
What I'm saying is, if you liked Dark Matter, grab the book/audiobook for Recursion.
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mmatt0904Apr 7, 2026
+44
I liked Dark Matter more than Recursion. Both were awesome though. Hope Recursion gets made into a show.
Upgrade was my least favorite though. Started strong but fell apart at the end.
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Bill_SandwichApr 7, 2026
+4
I don't disagree but of the three, I honestly think Upgrade might be the easiest to adapt into a movie/show.
4
mmatt0904Apr 7, 2026
+1
Very fair. It’s like a slight sci-fi thriller mixed with Limitless.
Good premise to make a show and flesh out more
1
IceWookApr 7, 2026
+6
Interesting. How you felt about Upgrade is how I felt about Dark Matter. It was a good idea that sort of faltered as he finished it. Recursion was my personal favourite. Though I don’t fault you for disagreeing!
6
mmatt0904Apr 7, 2026
+6
Both were really cool. I just remember that I couldn’t put down the last 100 pages of Dark Matter and it got me back into reading. When he logs into the computer and sees like 50 other Jasons, I was locked in
6
snapwackApr 8, 2026
I read Recursion first and going from that to Dark Matter felt like a downgrade, personally. The protagonist made a bunch of iffy decisions like >!cheating on his wife with an alternate version of her; and fighting his doppelgängers in the end to decide who gets to “keep” the family as if they’re property!<. The narration didn’t seem to have the self-awareness to frame these actions as questionable, and it didn’t feel like the protagonist underwent a proper character arc so much as a series of ordeals.
Recursion felt a lot more polished to me
0
FirmShare5Apr 7, 2026
+3
I can’t quite remember exactly but I’m pretty sure I saw a while back that Shonda Rhimes is producing a Recursion series/show
3
NinjaSimoneApr 7, 2026
+8
That's correct. Shonda Rhimes' production company has held the option on Recursion for more than seven years now, so I'm losing faith.
8
mdavis360Apr 7, 2026
+2
That was so long ago and there hasn’t been any news on it in very long time.
2
ratatouillethotApr 7, 2026
+3
recursion had me crying by the end. wasn't expecting that! immediately picked up dark matter
3
TheeMotionOfTheOceanApr 7, 2026
+1
He also had a third book called Upgrade which came out a few years ago. Not quite as good as the other two, but still a good read
1
crasherdgrateApr 7, 2026
+167
So, this show is going beyond the book?
I haven’t read Recursion, so can anyone help me understand if it is in any way related to?
167
Murky-Insect-7556Apr 7, 2026
+211
Blake Crouch is the showrunner, and he’s said that this season and future seasons will be completely original material. So it’s basically a sequel to the book.
It has nothing to do with Recursion.
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crasherdgrateApr 7, 2026
+23
Oh yeah, I forgot Blake Crouch is involved.
23
ColonelQuaraitchApr 7, 2026
+23
What about Barty Crouch… JUNIOR????
23
frusciante231Apr 7, 2026
+6
Ohhh I didn’t know that. I really liked the novel and didn’t know he was involved.
6
suppadeliciousApr 7, 2026
+10
I just finished the book and loved it. Started the show this weekend so I'm really excited about this.
10
yzsKPCApr 8, 2026
+3
Actually didn't know he was involved. I'll stick around them and see what's up. Season 1 was good enough. Love the book.
3
ZERV4NApr 7, 2026
-7
I'm sure TV writers will offer as detailed and layered a story as one born out of inspiration and crafted over years with relentless editing and revision by a singular vision.
-7
Alc2005Apr 8, 2026
+9
Blake Crouch is the original author, and he’s a damn good author of that
9
TheRealMrNarwhalApr 7, 2026
+42
Yep seems like they'll go beyond the book.
It has no connection to Recursion. Although I highly recommend reading it; it's fantastic and has a similar vibe
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crasherdgrateApr 7, 2026
+5
Cool. Will do. Thanks
5
doublesimonizApr 8, 2026
+2
Upgrade is pretty good too. A cool idea.
2
TARS1986Apr 7, 2026
+5
I felt a little letdown by Recurssion. It was entertaining, but the characters felt so flat.
5
RitslerApr 7, 2026
+15
I’ve read a little Blake Crouch (Recursion, Wayward Pines) and his weakness seems to be around characters. He can come up with really cool scenarios and concepts, but the characters are at the bottom rung of his ladder most of the time and tend to just be devices for the story. He seems to be suited to more of a screenplay format, so maybe his other adapted projects, like if Recursion gets adapted, will be more well-rounded.
15
Faile-BashereApr 7, 2026
+3
He did Wayward Pins too? Loved the concept of that story!! I thought the pilot was great too.
3
Richmond43Apr 7, 2026
+3
Yup, it’s a trilogy of books. Good beach read!
3
tvfeetApr 7, 2026
+2
On,y the first season. Season 2 is entirely new and he didn’t write it (just exec. producer.) S1 was amazing but S2 was terrible and it’s why he’s retained creative control of Dark Matter.
2
sylanarApr 14, 2026
+1
I loved the wayward pines books! They were so good!
Hated the show though, the characters, pacing, setting, everything just felt really off.
1
Faile-BashereApr 14, 2026
+1
I really like the pilot, because I remember them cutting the episode in a way that made you think that the husband’s storyline and the wife’s storyline were happening at the same time… But the husband had already been “transported” to the future while the wife’s storyline was still happening in the present. Which set up a really great reveal at the end of the episode.
1
mdavis360Apr 7, 2026
+12
I just finished Recursion last month and it made me supremely uncomfortable as everything kept escalating. Total existential dread nightmare fuel.
12
Mwahaha_790Apr 8, 2026
+1
I loved Dark Matter the book – *hated* Recursion.
1
TARS1986Apr 8, 2026
+1
Ooo…can you expand on this? For me the problem with Recursion was as like I said…super flat characters. I cared not one bit for them. Very hard to believe in them. I’m in the middle of reading the Expanse series of books, and it’s just such a night and day difference between character depth between these books. Does Dark Matter at least have depth in their characters?
1
Hue_HoneyApr 8, 2026
+1
Recursion also had some major plot discrepancies
1
tvfeetApr 7, 2026
+1
Had the same reaction for Dark Matter after I read it after reading Recursion. Didn’t fine DM anywhere near as compelling as Recursion.
1
The_WattsatronApr 7, 2026
+3
Recursion is so good. One of the coolest takes on >!time travel!< I think I've ever seen.
3
soonerfreakApr 8, 2026
+2
My favorite book using that, I recommend to anyone who likes scifi.
2
beatlebillApr 7, 2026
+4
You mean >!alternate universes!
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The_WattsatronApr 7, 2026
+2
>!Uh, no? I mean time travel. I understand alternate timelines are involved but the time travel is the part that I enjoyed.!<
2
beatlebillApr 7, 2026
+2
Sorry. I misread that the context was Dark Matter. You’re 100% correct.
2
EatsRatsApr 7, 2026
+3
Recursion isn’t tied to Dark Matter.
I would highly recommend that book though :)
3
No-Sherbert-9857Apr 7, 2026
+3
Would you recommend it to someone who loves sci fi movies/shows but is still new to reading sci fi?
3
scatteredElementApr 7, 2026
+6
I’m not the guy you asked, but yeah I think so.
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No-Sherbert-9857Apr 7, 2026
+4
I appreciate it. I’ve always steered towards non fiction but I’ve been wanting to read more fiction and sci fi so I think I’ll give this one a shot.
4
FantasticTonyApr 8, 2026
+1
Yes. Both Dark Matter and Recursion are fun sci-fi books which take pretty basic concepts in the space and do some really interesting twists on them. For both books I found myself thinking that the last act problems were really unique in a way that there wasn’t an easy solution but still nailed the landing. I also recommend Upgrade by him, it’s not as great but still a fun sci-fi book which does some unique stuff
1
soonerfreakApr 8, 2026
+1
Another yes, I loved it.
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Default_Sock_IssueApr 7, 2026
+2
Not at all like the book
2
daninlionzdenApr 8, 2026
+2
Recursion was great! High recommend
2
apf6Apr 7, 2026
+1
Yeah season 1 showed the whole book, and also had some added perspectives/scenes that weren’t in the book, so they’ve already been incorporating some original content.
1
McChillboneApr 7, 2026
+1
You could see how it could extended. The book basically ends pretty open ended and there are what appears to be countless parallel universes.
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DarthRiznatApr 7, 2026
+36
Wait a minute.... I thought it ended with season 1...
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BitterBubblegumApr 7, 2026
+55
We live in the parallel universe where the story continues
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Murky-Insect-7556Apr 7, 2026
+15
lol that was similar to Apple’s announcement on [Twitter](https://x.com/appletv/status/1824491353633591656?s=46&t=MHUKMI8ASp-deq3cwYBxvg) when they renewed it for s2.
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kenncannApr 7, 2026
+7
Yeah it ended with a cliffhanger epilogue
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mmatt0904Apr 7, 2026
+14
It did. This is now going off book. There is no source material for this second season.
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phonologotronApr 7, 2026
+23
Except Blake Crouch is the show runner so I’m not too worried.
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Devilofchaos108070Apr 7, 2026
+19
Finally. Jesus it’s been forever.
Curious how it’ll go. Loved the first season
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tifosiv122Apr 7, 2026
+43
This show blew me away - I cannot wait for the 2nd season.
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Mister_BrevityApr 7, 2026
+3
I haven't had a dedicated block of time yet - sounds like it's worth it? Is there any existing show it's similar to just for setting expectations? Thanks for any input. Less and less free time so I have to get more and more picky with TV shows :)
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MataelioApr 7, 2026
+1
It’s extremely worth it, but I don’t know if there is another show to compare it to.
1
Mister_BrevityApr 7, 2026
+1
That’s fair, apples picked up some properties that are kinda tough to compare. I wish they’d get their hands on the expanse and finish the show with apples theatrical vibe.
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WhiskyTheEmperorApr 8, 2026
+1
Is it anything like 12 monkeys (the tv show) ?
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Locutus747Apr 9, 2026
+1
I mean if you liked 12 monkeys you may like this because they are both scifi stories, but they aren't the same. I loved both. You can read a basic synopsis for Dark Matter, but it's about the existence of different universes/realities and doesn't involve time travel (at least yet).
I don't think this is a major spoiler since its the premise of the show, but the character from one reality traps another version of himself in a different universe so he can live the life he never had. The show is about the protagonist trying to get back to his universe/his wife.
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tifosiv122Apr 7, 2026
+1
So I wouldn't read too much about it. You'll ruin the reveal sort of speak. You guess at the begining and as the pieces fall into place. I'd describe it similar to Interstellar (multiple planet, each very different) in some ways.
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Mister_BrevityApr 7, 2026
+1
Thanks, going in blind is best with the weirder ones :P
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BluePot5Apr 7, 2026
+1
I’ll be the contrarian and say I didn’t enjoy it. Didn’t click with me at all and hopped off after two episodes.
And I’m a big sci fi guy.
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Mister_BrevityApr 7, 2026
+2
The weird stuff tends to be love or hate ;)
2
wex52Apr 7, 2026
+38
If I enjoyed the 2015-2017 SyFy series Dark Matter, will I enjoy this? (I literally thought this was what the post about. I was thinking, “Wow that’s a long break between seasons. Wait, it *had* more than one season…?”)
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Devilofchaos108070Apr 7, 2026
+24
Nothing alike at all. This is a great show tho.
I also loved the other Dark Matter, but yeah they are nothing alike
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BallDesperate2140Apr 8, 2026
+7
Dammit I wanna see what the Black Ships are!
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iamacannibalApr 7, 2026
+11
These shows only share a name. They are nothing alike.
Dark Matter from Syfy is a space travel type of sci fi show.
Dark Matter from Apple is about a guy going through alternate realities.
Both are great. The one thing that hurts Apple's dark matter is the lack of Melissa O'Neil so the syfy Dark Matter is obviously better
11
gigashadowwolfApr 8, 2026
+5
Loving her in The Rookie right now.
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HumansNeedNotApply1Apr 7, 2026
+12
They have nothing in common, so no idea. And yeah, i dislike they share the same name, when this show was announced i thought we were getting a new season...
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smasherofscreensApr 7, 2026
+8
Came to say the same. I really liked that show too. Sucks it got cancelled on a cliffhanger.
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SovFistApr 7, 2026
+7
Every single season on that show ends with the most ridiculous cliffhanger.
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SpiritedOwl_2298Apr 7, 2026
+1
I mean I enjoyed both but they’re not that similar. The newer one that this post is about isn’t an ensemble, it’s focused around one guy, his wife and child, and some coworkers. It’s action-y but more existential about the possibility of parallel worlds. I really enjoyed it but it’s very different, I think it’s worth a try though
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sajaschiApr 7, 2026
+2
Same here, I was excited for more of that one! But these books are in my TBR list. I'll probably give the show a chance, so I know whether to invest in the books...
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RedditConsciousnessApr 7, 2026
+2
How do you feel about Sliders? This is like a prestige television version of Sliders.
2
wex52Apr 8, 2026
+1
Oh wow, I remember Sliders. That was a fun show, sometimes serious. Alright, I’ll check it out when I renew my Apple subscription (I try to rotate my subscriptions).
1
belac4862Apr 8, 2026
+1
I literally had to Google this, cause I thought it had 3 season already. Sadly, not the sa.e Dark Matter show...
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mikepictorApr 7, 2026
+9
What’s the verdict on this show? I like sci-fi, and I haven’t watched it as I thought it may be a little ponderous.
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OdepiusNecksApr 7, 2026
+7
First season was a fairly faithful adaptation of the book (not super surprising since the author is showrunner). They even gave us >!plague world, which I assumed they’d skip in a post-COVID world!<. It’s a touching story but I agree with others that Crouch’s characterization is his weak spot. There’s no second novel to adapt so this coming season will be wholly original. I’m cautiously optimistic but also a little disappointed we’re sticking with Jason and Daniella because their story was more or less concluded in the first season.
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AhmedFApr 8, 2026
+3
> also a little disappointed we’re sticking with Jason and Daniella because their story was more or less concluded in the first season.
agreed
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zeroxrayApr 7, 2026
+4
Honestly thought it was slow and bit boring but the last 2 episodes goes off the rails in a good way. I wasn't expecting another season of this show either
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m4rk0358Apr 7, 2026
+3
It's a 7 out of 10 for me. Solid
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Former_Island_4730Apr 7, 2026
+3
It was fine. The pacing was super slow in parts and the acting was a mixed bag. The concept may be a little cooler than the execution.
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micadoogApr 10, 2026
+3
I thought they squeezed about five episodes worth of story into nine episodes.
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urgasmicApr 7, 2026
+8
I thought it was great.
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SmarmyYardarmApr 7, 2026
+2
Yeah. Acting from everyone is marvelous. Top notch.
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swentechApr 7, 2026
+2
It’s kind of hard to mess up a parallel universe show and they most definitely did not mess it up. It’s great.
2
berlinbaerApr 8, 2026
+3
hated it. bad dialogue and bad acting, super old basic premise that everyone in here keeps acting as if it's revolutionary, people acting stupid nearly constantly. hard pass.
3
MataelioApr 7, 2026
+1
I loved this show and recommend it to everyone I can, as well as the book it’s based on.
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HennahaneApr 8, 2026
+1
It starts quite slowly but the last 2-3 episodes lean fully into the concept and go wild
1
kielbasa330Apr 7, 2026
+1
I read the book and enjoyed it. Tried watching with my gf and we peaced out after the first episode. It fell flat imo
1
FireVanGorderApr 7, 2026
+9
Every time I see this show brought up I get sad that Dark Matter from 2015 got cancelled
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duckrollinApr 7, 2026
+9
For a moment I hoped the vastly superior SiFi Dark Matter TV show might be coming back when I read this, disappointed.
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Nuka-ColeApr 7, 2026
+17
I read the book, and didnt really get the hype. The concept is really interesting but the characters are just meh. “Guy wants to get back to wife” cool and all but why should I care about this one? Why is he so much more worthy than the others?
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PrestigeArrivalApr 7, 2026
+9
I didn’t even bother finishing it.
I got really disappointed when it turned out to just be a typical man-on-the-run story.
I was hoping for so much more than that
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LB3PTMANApr 8, 2026
+5
The different universes were interesting and I hope it keeps exploring that more in depth
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Pizza4FreeApr 7, 2026
+5
I thought Season 1 was only okay, but I'm curious to see where they take the story beyond the book.
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Competitive_Help8485Apr 7, 2026
+3
I'm really looking forward to it. The first season was great!
3
bakerzdosenApr 7, 2026
+5
Man, this has me nervous.
It could be fantastic.
Or it could be a disaster trying to extend a great book/series beyond its natural conclusion.
But the proverbial side of the road is littered with similar failed attempts (The Matrix comes to mind) at building on popular SciFi projects ultimately serving only to tarnish the original’s legacy.
I’ll give it a fair chance but this is a risky move to be sure.
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tiredofstandingApr 7, 2026
+12
It's a bit different situation since the author is thr showrunner.
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MadmanMarkMillerApr 8, 2026
+3
Whenever I see "Dark Matter" and it's not _that_ Dark Matter I die a little inside.
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arazamatazguyApr 7, 2026
+2
I'm definitely going to need a youtube season one recap before I watch season 2.
2
joaommoreiraApr 7, 2026
+2
Hell yeah
2
m4rk0358Apr 7, 2026
+2
The show was fun enough. I'll continue.
2
Fancy-Truck-421Apr 7, 2026
+2
I’m so excited
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RusevReignsApr 7, 2026
+2
It was decent but I think should've been one season.
2
solonoctusApr 7, 2026
+2
Here’s hoping season 2 is just about the people who own that home from the finale coming back and being extremely confused as to why there’s a dozen dead Joel Edgertons everywhere.
2
the_brilliant_circleApr 7, 2026
+2
If this is anything like Wayward Pines season 2… yikes
2
AyyStaybanApr 7, 2026
+2
Only semi-related, I met Jimmi Simpson at my gym while he was filming this in Chicago, and he is absolutely lovely. Super down to earth guy and prompted me to get into the show. Can’t wait for season 2!
2
Skadoosh_itApr 7, 2026
+2
Not to be confused with the syfy show dark matter which was canceled years ago
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tgabsApr 7, 2026
+2
Watched the first couple episodes on a whim and it was actually surprisingly interesting, although the plot kinda faltered near the end. I seem to recall thinking there probably wouldn’t be a S2 though. Idk where they could take it at this point
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crackenpuffApr 8, 2026
+2
I thought this was about the *other* Dark Matter show for a second and obviously remembered it lasted more than 2 seasons. The new Dark Matter show isn't bad either, just wish the old one didn't have to be cancelled for The Expanse to live.
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eldenpotatoApr 8, 2026
+2
This is legit a good show. Worth a watch if you like sci-fi.
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UtinnniApr 8, 2026
+2
Ok but what about Silo
2
FactorHour2173Apr 7, 2026
+2
Such a good show.
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iamacannibalApr 7, 2026
+2
Im excited for this but every time I see the name I get excited thinking they are somehow making a final season to properly end the SyFy show Dark Matter. I know it will never happen but I still get my hopes up
2
Saltimbanco_voltaApr 7, 2026
+2
Using the word "hit" very liberally here.
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phrozen_wafflesApr 8, 2026
+2
I lived a few blocks away from the real Village Tap bar in Chicago. You would think they would get a ton of publicity from a "hit" show. The owner said I was like the 2nd person to mention the show, but he didn't even remember the shows name.
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itsgonnabe-maeApr 7, 2026
+1
If I read the book but didn’t watch season 1, can I just start with season 2? I tried and could not get into it for some reason even though it’s one of my favorite books.
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moongobbyApr 7, 2026
+1
Is season 2 based on any of the authors writings?
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urgasmicApr 7, 2026
+2
The author is the show runner so technically yes
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Nuo_VibroApr 7, 2026
+1
hopefully they give it an ending then. If tis ends on a cliffhanger.......
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OrphasmiaApr 7, 2026
+1
Why do so few people watch apple tv stuff? It’s so good
1
Alarmed-Outside-8683Apr 7, 2026
+1
I read this book because someone i worked with wanted to do a book club. All i could think while reading was "this is written like it's meant to be a crappy movie or TV show". Today i find out it is one of those! Congrats, Mr. Crouch!
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braves-geekApr 8, 2026
+1
They kept filming under wraps for sure
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elkruegsApr 8, 2026
+1
I think it could have been a single season. The lead guy is great, but the story opens itself to way too many issues for no reason
1
stonedkryptoApr 8, 2026
+1
I found the book pretty rudimentary for a sci-fi, didn’t know there was a show but willing give it try. I know IMDb is not always a great source but 7.6 for a series doesn’t shout “acclaimed”.
1
No-Bail-79Apr 8, 2026
+1
The cast does need a few more acting chops..
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lospollosakhisApr 8, 2026
+1
Was this show any good? How’s the writing and dialogue?
1
labelm8Apr 8, 2026
+1
Yes it’s very good
1
Throwaway_TableclothApr 11, 2026
+1
I haven’t seen the show, but this straight up just being Crouch’s sequel to the story(which I have read the book) has me very interested.
At the same time, I wish he’d write another novel. Upgrade was bad imo, but this and Recursion are so good.
1
ButtSpelunker420Apr 7, 2026
+1
I’m amazed Tim Cook can sign off on projects like this with Trump’s c*** in his mouth. Truly an inspiring CEO. What a genius businessman.
1
NATScurlyW2Apr 7, 2026
+1
I assumed they cancelled it. It’s been a long time.
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ManyFacedGod_Apr 7, 2026
+1
Is the book worth reading before watching the show?
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phonologotronApr 7, 2026
+2
Yes it is. He’s a good writer
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Really_McNamingtonApr 7, 2026
+1
He keeps you reading. Sci-fi/thriller crossover. I picked up this one in a three pack on Amazon with Recursion and Upgrade and I read all three within 5 or 6 days.
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mdavis360Apr 7, 2026
+1
Yes. But the book is completely adapted in season 1. This is all new story in S2.
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hdgxApr 7, 2026
+1
I was listening to the audiobook in the car years ago, and kept missing my exit because I was so enthralled near the end.
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Ok_Car9530Apr 8, 2026
+1
I think the book is a lot better. The TV series is ok, but it fails to capture the thriller elements that make the book so enthralling.
1
lossaysswagApr 7, 2026
+1
Very happy to return to this world as I have no connection to source material. Seems like it would be a very interesting concept to build new stories around
1
Crimie1337Apr 8, 2026
+1
I want the sci fi dark matter back
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pslind69Apr 7, 2026
-1
Complete c*** imo.
-1
fs2222Apr 7, 2026
I enjoyed the book but got bored with the show after a couple episodes. Most of the characters seem miscast except Jimmie Simpson.
0
are-e-elApr 8, 2026
God damn it which streaming service do I have to cut so I can sign up for Apple+? This is starting to be like streaming service premiere league relegation
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