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FinestOldToby 2 days ago +679

Trump gonna unite Protestants and Catholics at this rate lol Henry VIII spinning

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Based_Ment 2 days ago +100

Henry VIII died considering himself a Catholic. He definitely did not consider himself Protestant.

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TheDuckFarm 2 days ago +30

Yeah. He got used by the Howard’s and a few other powerful English families.

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Based_Ment 2 days ago +15

Ball knower

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witecat1 2 days ago +15

Yes, but he was a willing participant and is not absolved of what he did.

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Dazzling-Rub-8550 2 days ago +133

Plus muslims and a lot of atheists. This is wild. Trump single handedly uniting Catholics, Christians, Muslims and atheists.

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NoobSquid69 2 days ago +39

FIFA Peace Prize for a reason

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underhunter 2 days ago +76

Catholics are Christians

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AbraxasTuring 2 days ago +18

That's right. It's very insulting, ignorant and anti-Catholic to say "Christians and Catholics". Catholics are the oldest OG surviving Christian sect. And I say that as an agnostic christened Anglican (protestant).

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kilgore_trout1 2 days ago +8

I think the Orthodox Church may have something to say about that. (To be fair they schism-ed from each other so arguably they both have a strong case…)

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AbraxasTuring 2 days ago +6

Yes and that happened in 1054 so relatively late. The original Gnostics aren't around now and many, many sects have come and gone since the days of Saint Peter. I had a a Cathar ancestor in 1214 in southern France. Cathars are long gone.

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Raesong 2 days ago +1

Then they'd have to get in line (there's surprisingly quite a few Christian denominations that could lay claim to being the oldest surviving sect, once one looks beyond Europe).

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Guaymaster 2 days ago +1

Well it's kinda hard to say what the oldest OG surviving Christian sect because it depends on how you cut it. Like the the Arians were branded heretics in the Council of Nicaea of 325, and the Copts separated formally during the Council of Chalcedon in 451, the Catholic Church was not yet separate from the Orthodox Church, so can we say either of these two latter denominations are actually older than Arians and Copts? On the other hand, the Latin and Greek rites they follow are kept in continuum even after the Great Schism of 1054 (when it happened formally, they had already been distanciated for a while), so the places that are now Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox pretty much looked the same then as they did when it was just "Chalcedonian Christianity".

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AbraxasTuring 2 days ago +2

Sure, I agree, but the people like you who understand the history of Christianity are never the ones who put Catholics and Christians in 2 separate categories.

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PartyLikeAByzantine 2 days ago +2

>Well it's kinda hard to say what the oldest OG surviving Christian sect No it's not. There's literally a term for communities stretching back to the beginning of the faith: [apostolic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_see). Meaning "founded by an apostle". It's impossible to prove whether a particular community was actually founded by one of the 12, but all apostolic denominations are so old we have no contemporary written record of their founding (outside of the Bible, at least) and they predate Roman Emperor Constantine's conversion. Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Syriac, Armenian churches are all apostolic. They are all equally old traditions. Honestly, the very question is flawed. A Christian denomination is ultimately a voluntary affiliation of local churches. An individual church can schism with its mother church. That doesn't make it "newer". The church and community was there before. This is even true in the more centralized churches. The Vatican doesn't directly own any churches outside of Italy. Each Catholic church is owned by either the parish (local community) or the diocese (regional org). That's basically how Protestantism happened.

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Guaymaster 2 days ago +2

Agreed with your last paragraph, it's what I set out to say. As for the rest, it kind of doesn't matter, if you're in communion you're not a different sect so it doesn't matter who founded your particular physical church.

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PartyLikeAByzantine 2 days ago +1

Except sects are, ultimately, just a confederation of individual communities that agree theologically and share resources. Apostolic denominations grew out from the individual communities founded by apostles. They're bound by this shared heritage and traditions as much as they're bound by doctrine. Looking at everything from a top-down view is to fundamentally misunderstand how the church formed in the first place. Anglicans might have schismed by royal decree, but that isn't what happened with any of the ancient churches.

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runed_golem 2 days ago -4

As someone who was once a Christian, I don’t think it’s that outrageous to separate Protestants and Catholics because of how different their theologies can be (like how Catholics pretty much worship a pantheon of minor deities in their saints)

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AbraxasTuring 2 days ago +7

It's outrageous because it implies Catholics are not Christians. Absolutely outrageous especially coming from the new kids on the block.

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BalkanNoBalkan 2 days ago +1

Yeah you also just don’t know anything about Catholics because they only worship God not saints

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binzoma 2 days ago +20

ok martin luther

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fulthrottlejazzhands 2 days ago -7

Take that papist nonsense elsewhere heathen.

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Kahgar 2 days ago +2

If method is irrelevant, and these are the results. Could Trump truely be the 9D-chess mastermind he claims he is? Is he truely Batman, hated but (not so) silently fixing all the division in the world. Nah, he’s a bumbling old senile with the temper of a 4-year old who was never told no. With tiny baby hands he grabs his toys when others won’t play with him their toys, and their friends toys. Then goes home and complains how everyone is wrong and mean.

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Cynical_Classicist 2 days ago +1

He may even unite Orthodox Christians too!

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Mikogaki 2 days ago +1

i'm just waiting for the patriarchs to join in xD

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Alarming_Eagle_8832 2 days ago +39

Henry VIII ripped down/burnt like 1000 thousand years worth of monasteries and abbeys when he went against the church. He would probably be giggling to himself right now. You are right he definitely wasn’t a fan haha Not cool Henry, not Cool.

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Based_Ment 2 days ago +27

It's not as simple as saying he went against the church. He considered himself the Head of the Church in England but still believed himself Catholic. He didn't support the Papacy but was not a Protestant either.

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Alarming_Eagle_8832 2 days ago +11

Yeah that was quite vague wasn’t it. I should have been more specific but the looting of their possessions, destruction of property and him being excommunicated from the Catholic Church. People here acting like he’s catholic when he destroyed it all for whatever he wanted. All good believing your catholic but destroying 1000 years of history and being excommunicated doesn’t help that claim.

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Based_Ment 2 days ago +8

I don't disagree with any of this from the position of the Roman Catholic Church, but it was very important to Henry's theological position that he was the Catholic Head of the Church in England and therefore was his right to confiscate the wealth of the monasteries and other Church possessions. I'm not saying he was justified in this but that was what he claimed. He never pretended or claimed to be anything other than Catholic, despite his actions.

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Alarming_Eagle_8832 2 days ago +1

Thanks for the comments I don’t really have a good memory for history but I did recall his excommunication. I always just looked at it like he did what he wanted and he wasn’t allowed to do something so he just deviated a little more and got the excommunication took their stuff, set up a new church. I am foggy on the exact order of events tbh. I am really no expert, but it’s nice to think I haven’t forgotten everything. Ten years ago I would never expect another excommunication and new church to be formed but nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. SPLITTERS! (That’s two Monty python references :D) Edit: Now I have got to watch the life of Brian and see them getting mixed up if they belong to the the Judean Peoples Front or the People’s Front of Judea)

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Based_Ment 2 days ago +2

Haha no problem! I always enjoy good discussion

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thebriss22 2 days ago +2

Do not underestimate the fact that Henry was pretty much bat shit insane for at least the last 10 years of his life 😂 I don't expect to much consistency in his beliefs lol

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momoenthusiastic 2 days ago +3

Henry also grabbed them by the you know what. It’s a full circle. Lol

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Reedstilt 2 days ago +2

We're going to get the Orange Catholic Bible and set use down the Golden Path. Shai-Halud be praised!

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OnceAbel_HasFallen 2 days ago +1

This one had me rolling get some award 😂

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silent-schmick 2 days ago -2

Given it would require her resignation (and all other women priests). Likely not gonna happen.

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SYLOH 2 days ago

It's kinda ironic, because there's a [schism going on within the Anglican Church](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_realignment) right now.

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No_Palpitation133 2 days ago -12

For real Iran deserves the right to oppress women, it’s only fair!

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SomeGalNamedAshley 3 days ago +77

Shit just got real.

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watch-nerd 2 days ago +62

Pretty sure most major religious heads are in favor of peace. It’s tradition. Why is Trump picking this fight?

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Raesong 2 days ago +17

Because he's The Antichrist.

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BalkanNoBalkan 2 days ago +1

No he’s not. The Bible talks about how popular and widely loved the antichrist with be. He’s just an evil awful idiot

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PureLock33 1 day ago +1

ehhh. popular votes AND electoral votes? The Japanese think highly of him for some reason.

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Thrallsbuttplug 3 days ago +138

Sounds like there's a crusade forming... this time heading west

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Agitated_Carrot9127 2 days ago +39

Till there’s 10 million knights and foot soldiers swarming the us coast? Dismounting off sail driven carracks

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Texcellence 2 days ago +23

If they follow crusader kings 3 logic they’ll all immediately march to somewhere random like Wyoming, use up all their supplies, then sit one county away from committing to the main battle, and not accomplish anything.

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Agitated_Carrot9127 2 days ago +2

if they made all way to WY, they already won. that means DC fell

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PureLock33 1 day ago +2

or they got lost, missed everything but WY.

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MindblowingPetals 2 days ago +35

He fought the Lord and the Lord won.

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tiresian22 2 days ago +12

Jesus, I feel like I’m living in a history book.

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Kirarifluff 2 days ago +11

well technically you always would be. its just that this chapter is extra… uhh. extra

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PureLock33 1 day ago +1

"This is the part where AI got tired of the silli-ness and put an end to it." - AI historian, 3055

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Global_Ad3461 2 days ago +6

So we got the Catholic Church, C of E, the quakers, Episcopal Church was pretty much day 1, Unitarians and probably a bunch of other protestants, that is, the vast majority Christians on the planet. Meanwhile Hegseth is showing his Christianity by quoting Pulp Fiction.

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Prudent_Falafel_7265 2 days ago +35

He obviously wants Iran to have nukes /s [edit] she

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Khadgar1701 2 days ago +20

She.

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Prudent_Falafel_7265 2 days ago +5

Sorry , thanks

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MrWaldengarver 2 days ago +14

Pres. Piggy is going to call her a DEI hire, just watch.

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Rich-Average-8398 2 days ago +2

And the somalians. And the Christians in niger

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HardlyW0rkingHard 2 days ago -30

Does peace in Iran also include Islamic republic not killing tens of thousands of unarmed civilians?

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CucumberWisdom 2 days ago +52

Yes. The Pope has said multiple times that *all* those who kill innocents are evil and should stop. How does that **not** include Iranian leadership killing its own?

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SpiderSlitScrotums 2 days ago +53

Has the war stopped that?

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HardlyW0rkingHard 2 days ago -45

No, it has not. But what I'm saying is that it wasn't peace to begin with.

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Worried-Advisor-7054 2 days ago +35

More peace than having someone threaten to end your civilisation though.

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Ketzeph 2 days ago +8

The US didn't come in to help the civilians, and it didn't try to push for global support to stop any such violence. The Trump admin is not attacking Iran for humanitarian purposes. If you think otherwise you have paid no attention to the war's buildup or the behavior of the admin in regards to our allies.

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HardlyW0rkingHard 2 days ago -4

I didn't say anything about US intentions

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Ketzeph 2 days ago +2

Intent is a core issue in just war doctrine and in the evaluation of whether war is morally justified. This matters as it’s the core of the current disagreement. So the US’ intent and approach to the war 100% matter. If you don’t understand that then just stop posting

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HardlyW0rkingHard 2 days ago

No you are putting words in my mouth. My point is that the international community is mum when the Islamic republic killed tens of thousands but now suddenly Iranian lives are so precious because the US is involved.

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Heavyweighsthecrown 2 days ago -8

> unarmed civilians - [April 5, 2026: President Trump: 'We sent guns to the Iranian protesters' - Trump confirmed to Fox News that the US has been arming protesters to fight the regime.](https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/425065) - [March 23, 2026: Netanyahu frustrated that Mossad promise it could instigate Iran uprising has fallen short - NYT says in leadup to war, spy agency touted plans to instigate mass resistance that could trigger regime’s collapse (...)](https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-frustrated-that-mossad-promises-of-iran-uprising-have-fallen-short/) Between A) Israel admitting it's trying a coup in Iran, and B) The US admitting it's arming iranian protesters... Iran sure has been killing lots of *"unarmed civilians"*, according to the western press!

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ronweasleisourking 2 days ago -22

Peace in Iran doesn't mean shit. Religious folks will kill each other regardless for following the wrong zombie or wearing the wrong J Crew shirt for f***'s sake

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Chokycorgi 2 days ago +33

Just to clarify this to you as an Iranian, what you said is incredibly disrespectful and disgusting. It wasn’t “religious folks killing each other”. It was the Islamic republic regime massacring innocent Iranian civilians. Iranians don’t have freedom of religion, we don’t choose Islam from our own free will. This was a demonic regime mass murdering civilians. Words matter. Please choose yours carefully when discussing things like this. We deserve more.

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Over-Willingness-933 2 days ago -34

Why isn't the Catholic and Anglican churches standing up for the persecuted Christians in Iran. Rather than making pompous speeches.

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Bulky_Reveal_1937 2 days ago +6

Because whether they will admit it or not, they hold western societies to higher standards. These religious figures are very good at avoiding critique on extremist muslim groups all together because it makes them seem “partial”.

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Over-Willingness-933 2 days ago -11

The Spanish Prime Minister, so much so, he has been referred to the ICJ for selling duel use items to Iran. China is keeping them in power.

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Over-Willingness-933 2 days ago -7

Spain is opening a embassy and is showing support for the regime. You have been given examples. The Chinese and Russians are backing Iran..

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Over-Willingness-933 2 days ago +4

Nor were the 50,000 people massacred by the regime for Protesting were Christian either. Have you looked at all the Iranians in the West waving Israeli flags, they hate the regime. Only idiotic leftists in the West like them.

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OneMagicMango 2 days ago +1

Yeah the regime needs to go but the way it’s being done is just making things worse. Every country in this conflict has committed atrocities and are bad. There. End of story.

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valar12 2 days ago -3

They probably should stand up for the Bahá’ís and Jewish communities too. Way larger communities.

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