There's a lot of businesses pretending to be something... but aren't because it's expensive to actually follow the regulations to be that thing.
So you get sinister stock trading platforms that leverage you as manipulation, 'fintech banks' that have no bank type protections, and gambling sites that are gambling but aren't because they used different words.
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myballzhuertMar 17, 2026
+203
And they all end up the same way. Make a ton of money, agree to a settlement, continue business as usual.
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FoxKamp7785Mar 17, 2026
+20
It's wild what you can accomplish with dark money :D
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Tall_poppeeMar 18, 2026
+15
I don't even think it has to be dark money. Just money.
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Substantial_Policy60Mar 18, 2026
+7
Yeah because tbf they start up and take all our legit money then just pay the fine. Thats just the cost of doing business. Nothing "dark money" about it, unless you have shady start up funds.
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Osiris32Mar 18, 2026
+1
> Make a ton of money, agree to a settlement, continue business as usual.
Or, make a ton of money, get brought up on charges because you fucked with rich people's money, run off to a non-extradition country and live the rest of your life on a beach sipping drinks from a coconut.
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TOMC_throwaway000000Mar 17, 2026
+40
Just wait until you find out that the culmination of Mr. Beasts amassed wealth is an upcoming pseudo bank / credit card and predatory loan company marketed towards teenagers
I wish I was kidding
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R_V_ZMar 17, 2026
+24
> There's a lot of businesses pretending to be something... but aren't because it's expensive to actually follow the regulations to be that thing
See ride-share companies.
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cinyarMar 18, 2026
+3
Ah yes, the best inventions of recent times. Totally not money, totally not taxis and totally not hotels.
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throwawaykayakerMar 18, 2026
+2
ThEy'Re DiSruPToRs!
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Upnorth4Mar 17, 2026
+43
Remember when everyone found out about Robinhood's true nature?
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OrizaiMar 17, 2026
+8
What happened with Robinhood?
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Upnorth4Mar 17, 2026
+47
They were actually a hedge fund pretending to be an open market stock trading app
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templethotMar 17, 2026
+28
Well they’re also a gambling platform now!
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911JosieMar 18, 2026
+7
I turn any investment app into a gambling app because idfk what I'm doing
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Captain_KuhlMar 18, 2026
+5
It basically is a form of gambling, it's just that you're supposed to educate yourself on the strategy to lose less often, but it's still the same "safe bets win less money" kinda situation.
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RikiWardOGMar 18, 2026
+2
eh I mean the stock market isn't really designed to make you lose money though. That's the biggest difference. You absolutely CAN lose a shit ton of money, but that's entirely up to you. Whereas gambling the house always wins and if they don't they will ban you from playing lol
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ButterRollercoasterMar 17, 2026
+5
Got a source on that? I’m intrigued.
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TOMC_throwaway000000Mar 17, 2026
-9
Did people not realize that in the beginning? I used it for a bit when it first started getting popular back in the 2010’s and even I realized that as someone who wasn’t the most financially literate in the world
Not trying to defend them by any means, but the differences between robinhood or (whatever the name of the other popular one was where it would round up debit purchases and invest the difference, can’t remember the name) vs any traditional stock trading platform were pretty glaringly obvious
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nerdyblackbirdMar 17, 2026
+9
Acorns is the one that does roundups and invests.
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D_SimmonsMar 17, 2026
+6
Bro is pretending it's obvious yet has no idea what he's talking about lol Call hid ass out
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techleopardMar 18, 2026
+1
Fidelity also does this with their money "checking" accounts.
At least Fidelity is real.
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rob1nthehoodMar 17, 2026
+26
Fintech companies can’t be called a bank unless they have a bank charter and if fintechs want to offer services like deposit accounts or loans, then they need to have a bank partner or become a bank themselves so there still are regulations that need to be followed in that industry. This prediction market bullshit is just a free for all.
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artbystormsMar 17, 2026
+6
Really wish we would regulate away all these scammy socially damaging businesses that were literally invented as digital ways to skirt regulations. Same goes for a lot of 'gig' apps too. All designed to skirt labor laws and pay people under minimum wage because 'they're their own employer!'
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techleopardMar 18, 2026
+5
Gig busses just need to be held to the same requirements as all other businesses.
If you saw a regular company that had nothing but contractors working full time hours who could not quote or name their own rates, you'd call bullshit on that and they would have to pay legal wages.
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ConLawHeroMar 18, 2026
+2
I'm an attorney with a very large cannabis practice and what you just described is the intoxicating hemp industry.
All my clients get state adult-use licenses and have massive regulatory requirements which are very expensive to comply with. They also get whacked by taxes because of 280E.
Despite the fact that intoxicating hemp is very provably illegal (THCa flower is not a thing, that's just weed and USDA regulations make that clear, and no one is actually extracting THC from hemp, they are either creating it in a lab or just getting it from weed, and anything over 0.3% THC, which all distillate is, is federally illegal). But there's no enforcement at the state and federal levels, so they all just break the law and get around the costs to be compliant.
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ThisOnes4JJMar 17, 2026
+6
no... they know what they're doing it has nothing to do with "burdensome/expensive regulations"
🙄
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Unlikely_Tax_1111Mar 17, 2026
+4
So the fintech bank one is wrong. If you call yourself a bank you must have a bank charter, or have a bank providing you the services but they will be legit. Banking regs are pretty clear. Gambling laws however in USA are all over the place. It gets really ugly at state levels too, with California banning dice and r******* requiring a second level to the game (cards determine what your dice roll really is).
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EN1009Mar 18, 2026
+1
Precisely. Well said.
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Yorokobi_to_itamiMar 17, 2026
And this is the problem, you get people like this who have zero idea how to use these systems blow it all and then think it's gambling. Y'all are the same reason the SEC interviened and put dumb ass systems in place like the PDT rule cause Y'all suck at 3rd grade math and think hedging is a foreign concept. Hilarious too considering platforms like this site allow for no loss system arbitrage. Literally a way where you make money regardless of outcome and you dumbasses still manage to f*** it up 🤣
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Silly-Supermarket-63Mar 17, 2026
+266
I definitely thought to myself “this has to be illegal insider trading” when I saw they were running ads for gambling on the *Oscars*, of all things
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Fine-WillMar 17, 2026
+125
My understanding is that it's legally a giant gray area so they are squeezing as much out of it as possible until legislation catches up.
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+123
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bishop375Mar 17, 2026
+43
Wait until you learn that all trading is, at its essence, gambling.
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[deleted]Mar 17, 2026
+12
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bishop375Mar 17, 2026
+13
There is never a guarantee of return, no matter what you expect. That's literally gambling.
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redhonkey34Mar 17, 2026
+16
But when you purchase a stock you are still guaranteed a sliver of ownership in that company.
A notable distinction in my opinion
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bishop375Mar 17, 2026
-12
How long will that company exist?
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Blackout38Mar 17, 2026
+5
The average lifespan is 30 years with many going beyond and the beautiful part is most indexes won’t include anything that’s likely to end up way below that average.
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bishop375Mar 17, 2026
-4
Average. Does not mean the company you bought a share of will exist in a decade, year, month, week, or day from now.
There is absolutely no guarantee of return. It is gambling. And more people need to get onboard with that fact.
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Spire_CitronMar 18, 2026
+6
That feels like a pretty thin argument. There are plenty of things you can buy into and ultimately lose if the company behind it goes bankrupt,
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MuvseevumMar 18, 2026
+1
If we had that kind of clairvoyance, we’d all be wealthy investors.
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Blackout38Mar 17, 2026
+6
You can gamble on the stock market but the market itself is not gambling.
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haze_from_deadlockMar 17, 2026
+10
I think you may be overgeneralizing
Buying US equities for retirement because you know it is highly likely that the purchasing power of the dollar will decline is not, in fact, gambling
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bishop375Mar 17, 2026
"It is highly likely."
Is it a guarantee?
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__mud__Mar 17, 2026
+8
I'd expect the difference to be that the initial investment is used to fuel the growth of the company. It also used to be that a stock's value was secondary to the dividends that would be paid by thebparent company to stockholders.
But nowadays, dividends are largely gone and people speculate on stock values long after the initial investment money has been spent. So that is definitely closer to gambling.
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Spire_CitronMar 18, 2026
+3
In a sense everything we do is gambling because there is always the chance of many different outcomes, both positive and negative.
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elkarionMar 17, 2026
+1
I can make any bet on any st ok to go any direction. Some one in wall street will pick it up.
It's free form contracts it's the ultimate gambling. Limitless wins and limitless losses. You can lose more than you ever can make in a life time.
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Gurlllllllll-Mar 17, 2026
The history of stock trading is basically acting as gambling while pretending that it's not. You can dress it up with as much financial jargon as you want, but when you look at the history, when you see how people were goaded into betting on the direction the market would go each day from the earliest days of the market, it's pretty obviously gambling.
The only difference between casinos and the stock market is that casinos haven't managed to make themselves a critical piece of infrastructure for the economy...yet.
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bardblitzMar 17, 2026
+3
Next you're going to tell me my 9-5 job is just a complicated way of gambling.
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Gurlllllllll-Mar 17, 2026
-1
Does your 9-5 involve selling people on the dream of making it rich off predicting the direction of the market?
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bardblitzMar 18, 2026
+4
No, but my chosen career path and employer presents a set of risks, and while I'm currently reaping rewards from those decisions, there is some likelyhood that it will end and I could face hardship. A different set of decisions would have resulted in different risks and different rewards.
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Gurlllllllll-Mar 18, 2026
-4
Cool, so you're a troll. Oh, and have hidden comments, no need to engage with you, I'm blocking.
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0xsergyMar 18, 2026
No matter how much research you do about an investment it is still gambling because you have no guaranteed outcome.
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Fine-WillMar 18, 2026
If that's the logic you use, you might as well say getting in the car is gambling because there's no guarantee you will arrive safely. Of course individual companies will always be risky but in terms of the major indices, as long as your time horizon is more than twenty years or so, there has never been a time in history where you'd have lost money. There's nothing to say we can't have a lost decade type condition that lasts 30 years next time, but we'd have much bigger worries at that point.
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0xsergyMar 18, 2026
+1
I mean yes using public roadways is literally a gamble lol. But you gotta go places so it's a necessary one. My dad has permanent back issues due to being hit at a red light(he was stopped).
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PaidUSAMar 17, 2026
+6
Under federal law as it stands and is enforced it unfortunately does. Because they do submit the necessary things to the CFTC that make it “legal”. Its legality is essentially an administrative policy position until a court or the legislature catches up. The next admin could reverse course and shutter them all.
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MrArtlessMar 17, 2026
-1
they literally are trades in a market though. thats how the entire backend functions. just because you can use it to gamble doesnt make it structurally similar to a c***** at all.
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UnlikelyReplacement0Mar 17, 2026
+17
Or they're operating like Uber and Airbnb and the like and just running an illegal version of a regulated industry. By the time they are big enough for regulators to think about regulating, theyre big enough to hire lobbyists to buy off those regulators.
It was pretty obvious when Pam Bondi wrapped up her press conference in 59 minutes and 59 seconds
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kadam_ssMar 17, 2026
+143
Is there a Kalshi on Kalshi’s founders going to prison in the next 2 years?
I would like to get in on that
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BraveSockMar 17, 2026
+16
They have Donald Trump Jr on payroll as an advisor. They know how to play the game. Wouldn’t count on this during a Trump presidency.
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_BaaMMM_Mar 17, 2026
+30
they wont and you know it.
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discocat13Mar 17, 2026
+10
Sounds like a great opportunity to make some money by ~~placing a bet~~ purchasing a future
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__mud__Mar 17, 2026
+8
Put it on Polymarket. The two platforms despise each other
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Extreme-District8213Mar 18, 2026
+1
And that’s how you make a market folks
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Arctic_x22Mar 17, 2026
+5
They’ll throw money at Cheeto and the charges will magically go away
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ro536udMar 18, 2026
+3
I mean if ur gonna commit a crime now is the time. Just gotta get sentenced before the next admin comes in so you can buy a pardon
It’s so sad that these are common statements now bc you can literally buy a get out of jail card
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Spire_CitronMar 18, 2026
+1
Might have trouble getting a payout if you win that one.
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charlton11Mar 17, 2026
+77
Get rid of it. So tired of seeing ads constantly. Now a journalist is getting his life threatened over it. Like this world isn't messed up enough.
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thegoodnamesrgone123Mar 17, 2026
+9
Oh were not far away from an athlete getting hurt or killed over a bet.
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AwarenessRude5541Mar 17, 2026
+24
I mean after someone bet like 50k on Maduro being out as Venezula's president the night before his capture should be a major red flag around this entire platform.
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RedstoneRayMar 17, 2026
+41
"The 20 misdemeanor charges are punishable by fines between $10,000 and $20,000.
The Arizona action is not in civil court so there is, for now, no enforcement action being sought to shut down Kalshi within Arizona state lines."
So will this actually change anything? The app won't be shut down, and they MAY pay a fine of up to $400k?
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wickedsmahtMar 17, 2026
+29
Mayes is a VERY good Attorney General and has been doing some solid work for the State of Arizona. She’s been in on the Real Page rental price collusion and has brought a suit against the largest foreign corporation farm in Arizona that ended with fines and a contract cancellation. If she’s going this route then I imagine it was the best available at the time.
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janethefishMar 17, 2026
+14
Also criminal charges and conviction can open the door to further action. Voiding contracts, seizing assets etc.
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GravityzCatzMar 18, 2026
+3
The real damage to these companies will come from being legally classified as gambling. The. They're subject to regulation. The fines might be small, but all the new rules they now have to follow is what's going to do yhe actual damage.
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ThinkSoftwareMar 17, 2026
+34
All of the sudden, Giannis sits out his next Suns game
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fishyhaworthia1Mar 17, 2026
+15
Nothing is gonna happen to them trump Jr is on the board 😬
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/01/13/kalshi-names-donald-trump-jr-as-strategic-advisor-to-prediction-market-firm.html
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TopazDuckzMar 18, 2026
+10
Well, not for long. Trump is releasing [his own prediction market platform.](https://blockworks.com/news/trump-media-truth-predict) I expect he’ll allow the states to get rid of his competition and Jr will be sitting on a brand new board immediately afterward.
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AgentDutchMar 17, 2026
+36
Finally! The “prediction market” is just redressed gambling that is poised to prey on the same markets that crypto bros have cornered. Seeing top tier celebrities involve themselves with this shit was a disgrace. Now when I watch Giannis (bucks superstar who somehow has a deal with Kalshi) play I can’t ignore any of his travels. I hope they can punish everyone involved
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AwesomegcrowMar 17, 2026
+9
Every state should follow. This business can have very bad outcomes. We read about one of the gambler threatened journalist for their unfavorable reporting of Iran war. Imagine if this business open bet on chance of the demise of every single US House Representative and Senators... And someone crazy enough to actually kill one of them so he can win the bet!
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Niceguy955Mar 17, 2026
+7
Good. It's not a "prediction" if people with inside information are betting on known outcomes. It's just cheating.
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Goshawk5Mar 17, 2026
+11
Good, I'm tired of all this gambling bullshit. Hopefully, this will curb some of it.
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BrantheMan1985Mar 17, 2026
+3
Not much, but it's a start.
Gambling, but it's not gambling? Make it make sense!!!!
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PlurfectworldMar 17, 2026
+4
Why illegal? Every other crooked booky, c*****, or horsetrack all play with odds and the house always wins. How is any of it legal?
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osilovomMar 17, 2026
+3
Finally, someone's cracking down on those fake "prediction" scams.
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theanointedduckMar 17, 2026
+3
Didn’t a journalist receive death threats because they reported a factual missile strike in Iran, and Kalshi goons who had betted $14M forced him to recant.
I’m not surprised
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IowaJLMar 17, 2026
+6
I think it’s time for all of that shit to go the f*** away.
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osilovomMar 17, 2026
+4
Finally, someone's calling out the fake "prediction" nonsense for what it is.
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IsThisKismetMar 17, 2026
+2
The 20 misdemeanor charges are punishable by fines between $10,000 and $20,000. So, yanno, they can make that back up by wagering on the verdict easy.
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RLewis8888Mar 17, 2026
+4
You mean, like derivatives?
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vasion123Mar 17, 2026
+2
Accused? It 100% is gambling.
I am banned from gambling on sports and specifically included last year was a long talk from the lawyers about prediction markets being gambling and are banned from any employee using it.
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pichael288Mar 17, 2026
+1
I just got one of their ads and they specifically say "trading" like it's some kind of stock market and not just betting on stupid shit
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No-Neighborhood-3212Mar 18, 2026
+1
Yeah? Duh? I thought that was the whole thing. The sites do their "This is a prediction market. For legal purposes, this is not gambling. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge," and the states then get to tax the illegal gambling.
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TheF0CTORMar 18, 2026
+1
It's a distinction without a difference
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Training_Stuff7498Mar 18, 2026
+1
Yeah because “predicting” the over/under of a basketball game is very clearly just gambling. No clue how it ever lasted this long.
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Jedi-OutcastMar 18, 2026
+1
what, the ai commercial for betting on when Jesus will rise again wasn’t enough of a giveaway?
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tms10000Mar 18, 2026
+1
"It's not a C***** *at all*. It's a prediction market."
-- Biff Tannen
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dope_sheetMar 21, 2026
+1
This, more of it. Gambling needs to be outlawed again.
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