But then Intuit couldn't price gouge us for more every year while telling us TurboTax is free.
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Baakadii2 days ago
+2455
I swear the last few years TurboTax is basically like “Ooooo sorrryyyy, but you actually were a living human during the 2025 calendar year. This means you need TurboTax Premium Plus Pro w/ Super Pro Live to process this years taxes”
2455
DrowningKrown2 days ago
+860
"Sorry, you earned $50 in crypto in 2025. We can't do that for free, required to upgrade to our $210 product to proceed"
860
-Nocx-2 days ago
+451
At this rate people are going to find out that they can just fill out the forms with the IRS
451
CynicalPsychonaut2 days ago
+1440
www.freetaxusa.com
1440
chula1987052 days ago
+499
HEY EVERYBODY this is the one you want. Free File through the IRS is not user friendly and requires some background knowledge of the tax system to know which forms you need, plus there's actually math involved. Do not recommend for most people. I just switched to FreeTaxUSA and it's basically the same as TurboTax but it's either free or $8 for premium if you want then to retain your files.
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KermitDfrog441 day ago
+223
Which, in the free version, you can just print or download your pdf file at the end and save them anyhow. Freetax was very easy to use
223
chula1987051 day ago
+76
I normally wouldn't pay if I have the option, but since I'm negligent with digital organization and had literally just left the TurboTax $140 checkout page, I thought "yeah ok that's reasonable."
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Xe6s21 day ago
+13
Heck at this point im still giving them money just because of the price gouging!
13
the_moosen1 day ago
+29
Didn't Free File get the kibosh by DOGE cause it was cutting into Intuit's profits?
FreeTaxUSA is the move though. Free federal, $15 for state. Really easy to use.
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2ndtimeLongTime1 day ago
+16
I just switched from TurboTax to this for this year. My wife is a sole proprietor so we have business taxes to file as well. It was so easy compared to Intuit, and so much cheaper. I recommend Free Tax USA to anyone.
It was free to file our federal return and $15.99 to file our State. TurboTax was $140 total.
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uller301 day ago
+29
We use them each year 0 issues
29
Undehd54881 day ago
+41
Used this for the first time this year. 100% recommend.
41
manual_combat1 day ago
+8
It’s so good compared to TurboTax that I almost want to pay for their premium package on principle
8
gts_ae862 days ago
+86
Unfortunately the irs free file also isn't available to everyone. If you have any different kinds of income to report that isn't on a w-2 or the like, you need to file other documents that aren't supported by the irs free file system :(
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Ehcksit2 days ago
+54
Paper files, by physical mail.
54
fizzy882 days ago
+58
I have done that before. The reality is that filling out paper forms is a gigantic pain in the ass. You also have to do a lot of research to know what forms you need to fill out and how to fill them out. This is all by design so the tax industry can profit off of us. They lobby for this.
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thirstytrumpet1 day ago
+9
Oh but have you used freetaxusa to populate those full forms and then print and mail them to the irs with a check for what you owe? I still pay the $15 for my state taxes to be easy as well, but there’s something about printing off two 30+ page tax filings with all the worksheets to mail in with a lil check. Make them scan for this dough.
9
Takenabe2 days ago
+25
I've always used freetaxusa. Federal filing is free, state filing is less than 20 bucks.
25
JekPorkinsTruther1 day ago
+7
Idk why anyone uses turbotax and the like. My parents had to pay over $100 to file with TT because they had RMDs. My taxes are way more complicated (live and work in different states, itemize, have dividends/crypto stuff) and it was $35 or so for a fed and two states.
7
Creepy-Business43452 days ago
+125
Sorry Can’t hear you over my free tax USA filing 🦅🦅🦅
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Prying-Open-My-3rd-I2 days ago
+62
I’ve used Cash App taxes for the last few years. It’s free and there wasn’t anything that tried to get me to upgrade to a paid version.
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the__ghola__hayt2 days ago
+10
Same. Shit's the same as TurboTax and I didn't have to pay for shit. Free state too.
10
StewforStars1 day ago
+10
Hi for everyone who doesn't know, IRS has. ACTUAL free filing services through the following services:
FileYourTaxes.com
FreetaxUSA.com
1040.com
ezTaxReturn.com
OLT.com
TaxSlayer
TaxAct
1040NOW.NET
[[link to all providers and info!]](https://apps.irs.gov/app/freeFile/browse-all-offers/)
note, that 90% of people can use these completely free, but some may charge you a small fee (<50.00) to file.
Fun fact! The IRS was working on a free direct file program whwre you'd submit your tax returns directly to them and we'd do it for you! It was currently being piloted in a handful of states, but the current administration killed it entirely, calling it a waste of time and that nobody actually wanted it. :)
IRS wants to make this shit easy for you but corporations can lobby the government so... :)
10
TiddyFukMyButtcheeks2 days ago
+257
Freetaxusa.com
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Practical-Shape23251 day ago
+16
https://www.freetaxusa.com/freefile2025
Has a couple restrictions but that should be the link from the IRS free file website. Free state and federal for most situations.
16
Junior_Builder_43401 day ago
+24
This is the way.
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Final-Lengthiness-192 days ago
+126
use Free Tax USA
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neurocentricx2 days ago
+55
I usually have whatever refund I get to be direct deposited. They now charge 40 bucks to do that in addition to the regular "free" price.
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diemunkiesdie1 day ago
+32
>They now charge 40 bucks to do that in addition to the regular "free" price.
That's if you want an instant refund. In that scenario, they front you the refund and put their own bank information on your taxes so they get their money back with your refund with the government. You could just elect not to get an instant refund and get paid normally, for free.
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Jagang1872 days ago
+12
Wtf? I got mine direct deposit and didn't pay anything
12
RaptorAD772 days ago
+53
It’s an absolute scam. There are way better services now.
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JalapenoBiznizz2 days ago
+24
They charge $40 to have the price come out of the tax return itself. It’s not $40 to have the return deposited to the bank account. If you paid for their services with a credit card it will be $40 less.
24
MightyLabooshe2 days ago
+13
Its free for Federal and like $15 for State, what are you talking about?
13
airship_of_arbitrary2 days ago
+1313
Biden literally set the US on track for that, then TurboTax lobbied Trump to make taxes complicated again and they did.
So stupid.
1313
sophisticatedkatie2 days ago
+417
We could have Direct File back whenever a Democrat is president again. They just have to flip a switch
417
RedBlankIt2 days ago
+121
F*** direct file I want them to do my taxes automatically for me. They know the amount it should be, f****** charge/give me that.
121
Mr_ToDo1 day ago
+28
I don't disagree, but it's not an everything or nothing situation. If you start with free online filing it could help with pushing the idea of just automating the whole lot
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Tibbaryllis21 day ago
+15
At the very least automatically generate a tax form for everyone based on the standard deduction and their reported income.
Then you log into their website, review the document, then affirm its complete to the best of your knowledge. Then bill/refund.
If it’s not correct, then you enter into the manual filing process.
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RevolutionaryCoyote2 days ago
+233
No. Things are only allowed to get worse. The ratchet doesn't seem to turn the other way.
233
justin107d1 day ago
+9
It will with that attitude. We as a people need to be more annoying in every way until they listen.
9
mannyman342 days ago
+39
Infrastructure bill, child tax credit, saving the aca, these are all just nothing I guess.
39
SteveJobsDeadBody1 day ago
+10
Saving the ACA? Is that what Trump did that got millions kicked off it and raised the costs by like $600-1000 a month for millions more? Huh. Well at least he countered that extra $600+ a month by increasing the child tax credit by $200 a year, right?
10
Roguespiffy2 days ago
+62
Yep. Republicans break things, Democrats maintain things. The escalator only goes down.
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DrewTNaylor2 days ago
+35
Fortunately the code for it is open source and publicly available on at least GitHub. It's our code we paid for, after all. Tax law code would make it more difficult, though.
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3d_blunder2 days ago
+45
That's a funny way to spell "bribed".
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wrosecrans2 days ago
+20
You'd think there would be a law that makes all the bribery illegal, but not as long as you pay the Supreme Court enough.
Frankly, I think that stuff like TurboTax lobbying against the public interest on keeping filing privatized should be treated in nearly the same category as treason. If we prosecuted a handful of executives at big companies that know they are working against the public interest, and they got lawfully executed with due process, I feel like some of that bad policy incentive would go away.
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Solkre2 days ago
+670
Hey it's tax time again, guess how much you owe!
Uhh, is it 2500?
No! Jail!
670
jensen_t1192 days ago
+75
Wait, we pay taxes? ... To go towards everything proper, right? ... Right!?
75
sharies2 days ago
+35
Bo omb delivery to schools in Iran? then yes.
35
FistyFisticuffs2 days ago
+11
And small boats in the Southern Caribbean that were definitely not, because they cannot do so profitably or even efficiently, smuggling anything to the US. And a little crime against humanity here and there with the whole murdering people in the water and warrantless rounding up of more or less random people for no probable cause with occasional executions. Murder: it's how you know that your tax dollars are at work!
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neliz2 days ago
+50
They'll expect you to pay taxes because they automatically register you, but actually using your social security number to fix your taxes, that's out of the IRS' league.
50
MAXSuicide2 days ago
+24
As a non-American, this is just one of the laundry list of things that boggles my mind.
24
Adam_Ch2 days ago
+177
I always think it's weird you don't have automatic taxes in the US mainly because if anyone actually cared they could just not pay their taxes since they're not going towards anything useful except bombs anyway.
177
Dump_Bucket_Supreme2 days ago
+369
lobbying from tax companies. just straight up corruption
369
my5cworth2 days ago
+184
Still fascinates me that the US calls bribes 'lobbying' and everyone is just fine with it.
184
fork_yuu2 days ago
+73
We got some dumb fucks here that we can't talk sense into and would probably be pissed if they understood what's going on.
73
mkt8532 days ago
+37
Luckily for those folks they have conservative media to keep them distracted and mad at drag queens and high school trans girl volleyball players.
37
IronicMnemoics2 days ago
+78
"Fine with it"
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Barrelled_Chef_Curry2 days ago
+30
Yeah no one is fine with it, wtf are we supposed to do?
30
-Shasho-2 days ago
+7
Revolution. Easy!
7
_MrDomino2 days ago
+9
That's not it. Republicans do not want to make tax filing easy because the core of what they push is "taxes = bad." Making it a burden and additional expense to file for many helps push that narrative.
9
Idrawstuffandthings2 days ago
+29
Most people DO have automatic taxes taken out of their paycheck, but these people still have to FILE their taxes whether or not they owe anything more. This is the part that's complicated on purpose. An employer takes out your taxes before you even get your paycheck and they report to the government how much they paid you. April is when you have to get a statement from your employer to double the paperwork and report the same amounts to the government yourself as well. This part is complicated because everyone's situation is different and you owe different amounts based on situations that aren't your employer's business to know. Then if you don't have a traditional employer you have to pay even more taxes for the privilege of being self employed. You don't get a refund on overpaid taxes if you don't file, and you owe interest if you pay late.
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VapidActualization2 days ago
+56
All that tacky gold shit in the Whitehouse doesn't just grow on all the molding. We ALL gotta pitch in for the accent work in the ballroom or president big boy will cry all night and not get the rest he needs to cheat at golf instead of running the country.
Seriously, if it weren't that I'm sure Bessent intends to use palantir to selectively audit only people on the left, I'd lie on my taxes and maximize my very small refund. Unfortunately, I can't expect constitutionality to protect me from the DOJ using misfiled taxes to send me to Alligator Alcatraz so I gotta dot my t's and cross my i's.
F***. This. Country.
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bobevans332 days ago
+7
Where’s the profit in that?
7
foggybottom2 days ago
+20213
Now make voter registration automatic
20213
Weekly_Writing72002 days ago
+4675
But the technology isn’t there yet!
4675
dabeeman2 days ago
+1623
in the same vein that we have money for unwanted and unneeded wars but not for social safety nets for tax payers.
1623
highpriestess4202 days ago
+366
Woah now you think being able to fund three wars simultaneously and giving endless tax breaks for the billionaires means we should be able to finance healthcare & social security?!
/s
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fattytuna962 days ago
+73
We have enough tech to build AIs that make cat dancing videos or AI that can diagnose cancers but voter registration is the challenge
73
PadyEos2 days ago
+34
Even 3rd world countries in ex Soviet Eastern Europe had automatic voter registration at 18 and free mandatory ID at 14 since the 90s.
34
Simply_Epic2 days ago
+15
We can know if you’re an adult citizen for the purpose of sending you to war, but it’s too hard for us to know if you’re an adult citizen for the purpose of letting you vote.
15
commentman102 days ago
+45
Exactly! Thats First world technology. Something the worlds biggest economy for decades cant obtain unless they become first world
45
highpriestess4202 days ago
+698
But how will that disenfranchise voters 🙄
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XawRae012 days ago
+125
Don’t worry they’ll just enact a draft and nearly the whole population becomes felons who can’t vote
125
luroc14182 days ago
+103
They can’t vote but they can still be President!
103
IntelligentStyle4022 days ago
+17
Trump voted by mail, in Florida last week. Florida changed their law just for the their orange Felon.
17
ifuckzombies2 days ago
+34
The loophole that will end America
34
onewonyuan2 days ago
+50
*is actively ending America.
50
nelsonalgrencametome2 days ago
+42
They'll pull heavily from blue cities to ship younger people off to die in whatever the next Vietnam is.
42
XawRae012 days ago
+28
I feel like the city kids would just take the jail time
28
mred8702 days ago
+35
I declare homosexuality!
35
packfanmoore2 days ago
+42
I mean, I'd rather suck a d*** than kill someone halfway across the globe. That's an easy choice right there.
42
cantproveidid2 days ago
+12
That gets ignored in major wars. Mass dishonorable discharges when the fighting is over. They also used to notify your draft board if you were dishonorably discharged for being gay. So your whole town knew. After WWII a lot felt they couldn't go home. Helped grow the gay neighborhoods in San Francisco and Greenwich Village after WWII.
12
Unresentful_Cynic2 days ago
+37
100%, im medically out but would absolutely become incarcerated before I became a state sanctioned killer.
37
Stuporhumanstrength2 days ago
+200
It already is in 24 states plus the District of Columbia
https://ballotpedia.org/Automatic_voter_registration
https://www.lgbtmap.org/democracy-maps/automatic_voter_registration
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Rocinante881192 days ago
+171
Surely these will be red-blooded, Freedom loving, Southern states!!!
....Whaaaa!?!?
171
Ordolph2 days ago
+110
It's really important to note, and also really important that people know that STATES run elections, not the federal govt. (yes, even federal elections). Running elections is one of the few very specific things outlined in the constitution that the federal govt. is explicitly not allowed to do. If you want automatic voter registration you need to push for it on your state level.
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realboabab2 days ago
+72
I've got good news and bad news.
Good news: Voting is COMPULSORY in Australia. This can actually work.
Bad news: Somehow, Australian demagogues spouting hateful rhetoric are STILL gaining footholds. Damn.
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HyperionSaber2 days ago
+50
Well they have got a bad case of the Murdocks, they are the original patient zero.
50
Neue_Ziel2 days ago
+37
Then make it a national paid holiday. Everyone has to vote. Then this *waves at bullshit in general* is less likely.
37
Naphrym2 days ago
+8769
Reminder that every man in the US legally has to register already
8769
majessa2 days ago
+1732
I had to as part of my green card application 27 years ago.
1732
Jaikarr2 days ago
+450
That's odd, I didn't for my green card, as a green card holder I'm not a citizen so I don't see how I could be compelled to join the US military.
450
whk19922 days ago
+449
Age dependent. Immigrants are required to register in Selective Service System. It has nothing to do with whether you are a citizen or not.
449
Jaikarr2 days ago
+66
Ah, I was 29, that explains that.
66
Grasshop2 days ago
+55
Yeah I got my green card at 23 and had to register
55
TimeImpressive66482 days ago
+42
“War were declared,” — the military recruiter from Futurama said to bender/fry after they enlisted for sweet discounts on Ham-flavored gum.
42
Nottheface13371 day ago
+11
Yuck. It’s all bones.
11
pbenji1 day ago
+8
You don’t have to be a citizen to be in the military.
8
Magikarpical2 days ago
+535
and that if you don't, you can't get federal student loans or work for the federal government and it's also a fineable offense
535
EddieVanzetti2 days ago
+186
Biden passed a law allowing those who don't register to still be able to get financial aid.
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556From1000yards1 day ago
+43
Incorrect. They’re auto signed up with FAFSA
43
Gaius_Catulus2 days ago
+96
It's also considered a felony and is both fineable and imprisonable.
96
NoRealNoWrong2 days ago
+249
It’s your birthright to kill and be killed for the pedofilic corporate elite.
249
phideaux_rocks2 days ago
+18
Why do
They always send the poor?
18
rfxap2 days ago
+172
> legally
[And even illegally](https://www.sss.gov/faq/)
172
Naphrym2 days ago
+80
Realized after I commented that the meaning of "legally" in my comment is kind of ambiguous. I meant it as in "you're legally required to register", not as any reference to a person's legal status
80
_stuxnet2 days ago
+19
A coworker had to register as part of his green card application. I remember him telling me back then that the SSS required all men under a certain age to register regardless of their legal status in the country.
This was a few weeks after 9/11. He said he knew of many undocumented young men who registered in the hopes of adjusting their status at a later time.
19
Notyeravgblonde2 days ago
+61
I literally had no idea until today that men had to do that.
61
Zolo491 day ago
+90
Yep. It’s been that way since forever. I had to register back in the 90s when I turned 18. The only real difference between then and now is it feels like there’s a real chance Draft Dodger Donnie could actually come up with an excuse to compel service.
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SharksForArms1 day ago
+33
Yup. When I turned 18, Gillette sent me a razor and the government sent me draft paperwork lol
33
Interesting-Phase9472 days ago
+89
Yes, but the timing of this is....unsettling. They let the technology lapse for decades and decades, then decided NOW is the time to upgrade it. Ask yourself, why now.
89
Pinklady7772 days ago
+2237
Can't tell me how much taxes I owe though, eh?
2237
WoolooOfWallStreet2 days ago
+737
Oh they ***can*** because they know if someone gets the number wrong when paying it
737
monsterfurby2 days ago
+819
So they can do automatic registration for that, but not for voting?
819
DonaldKey1 day ago
+190
Also don’t have to prove citizenship for the draft…
190
Double_Cow_82381 day ago
+17
Are you saying the government doesn’t know if I’m a citizen or not?
17
Nvenom81 day ago
+7
Voter registration is done by states, not the federal government.
7
AdrianArmbruster2 days ago
+2646
This is selective service—the collection of names that could theoretically maybe be used in the event of a draft. Reinstating the draft requires action by congress, and quite frankly it’s up in the air if the government even has the state capacity left to truly manage a draft at this point.
Eligible men ages 18-25 are already signed up automatically when getting a drivers license in many states.
2646
lenin19912 days ago
+2168
> Reinstating the draft requires action by congress
War also requires action by Congress and, well,...
2168
Slayer19732 days ago
+250
This will just be a special military enlistment operation, not a draft!
250
Most-Bench64652 days ago
+65
There's things the president can do because the whole system has been built on the honor system of "you will act accordingly to the law because you swore it". Congress makes the orders but the executive pulls the levers, so if the executive ignores the orders it can act how it wants, but there's a limit to how much it can do illegally. The military is used to following orders wherever they come from, chain of command is drilled into them. But regular people, not so much. I wonder how many will enlist in an illegal draft when they don't have to, compared to all the people dodging the legal drafts.
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online2222222 days ago
+25
Also illegally kidnapping people and giving them training and guns sounds like a horrible idea.
25
TrainingObligation2 days ago
+9
You’d think so but it’s been happening in Russia for at least these last few years. Clearly there are ways to force compliance and prevent enough of them from turning on you.
9
you_cant_prove_that2 days ago
+321
Congress willingly gave up that power decades ago in the war powers act
321
beardicusmaximus82 days ago
+197
Not how the War Powers Act works. In fact, it's the opposite of how it works. It's just Congress is too full of testicleless barnicles to act on it.
If Trump's little war goes on past 60 days he'll be in violation of the law.
But again, nobody in Congress has the guts to do anything when he violates the law. Best we can expect is more strongly worded letters (I don't even expect that because frankly the Democrats as as much owned by Iseral and Russia as the Republicans are)
197
O_PLUTO_O2 days ago
+98
Oh no Trump will be be in violation of the law?! What ever will the 34 felony convicted criminal do? It’s not just congress. He has law enforcement, the DOJ, and the Supreme Court in his pocket. What tangible action do you foresee occurring if he blatantly breaks the law **again**. Unfortunately Americas agencies are toothless against this pice of shit. It’s gonna take a coup to end this shit.
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purleedef2 days ago
+45
Seems like a good time to remind that Trump is in violation of the law for still not having released the remaining 3 million Epstein files
45
PhysicsEagle2 days ago
+38
Ironically Congress thought it was clawing power back with that act
38
So_HauserAspen2 days ago
+14
Certainly a little executive order is all that is needed to draft antifa
14
Wenceslaus9352 days ago
+62
Was gonna say I’m in VA and remember just getting a card notifying me I was registered on my 18th birthday without doing anything
62
cwaterbottom2 days ago
+19
Oh well if it can't happen without congressional approval then I guess that's that /s
19
zelmak2 days ago
+43
Requires action by Congress 😂😂 only Americans seem to think that means anything anymore
43
Lokarin2 days ago
+319
How can the draft find you if Elections can't find you?
319
gbdarknight771 day ago
+51
If they want to find you, they will find you.
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[deleted]2 days ago
+512
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asvalken1 day ago
+145
To clarify: f*** those people, but they aren't 'satanists'. The only thing they believe in is themselves.
145
Dry-Amphibian11 day ago
+75
Correct, they are not "satanists". They are christians. And that is worse.
75
wet_bag_of_noodles1 day ago
+24
My parents knew a lot of people who either took the jail time or one case case straight up walk to Canada from North Dakota. He nearly died but as he said, it was way worth it.
All of them have now been pardoned, and two of them are lawyers. Your life will continue after this and, it will be able to continue because you’ll be alive.
PS, go to a Quaker meeting!!
Edit: clarity
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REiiGN2 days ago
+876
Men forced to go to war, women forced to get pregnant, and the Elite throw parties.
876
FormalMango2 days ago
+461
> the Elite throw parties
*and f*** kids with no repercussions.
461
letuswatchtvinpeace1 day ago
+41
and eat them - don't forget about the eating of the babies
41
s0ulbrother1 day ago
+37
What do you think they do at these parties
37
goodlife_arc2 days ago
+78
Don’t forget about child molesting… these are some mfers…
78
PurpleV931 day ago
+24
You can say "r***". They r*** children. Systemically, without repercussions or arrests. In fact, they are even actively protected by law enforcement.
24
Lampler2 days ago
+1115
Americans suddenly experiencing an unexpected uptick of bone spurs
1115
Potater18022 days ago
+416
All men in the US have to sign up at one point anyways. This just makes it an automatic process, which we wonder why it wasn't already.
416
jo7340302 days ago
+41
What’s the age cut off
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Gaius_Catulus2 days ago
+119
If you turn 26 and haven't registered, it's too late. It's also a felony.
This mirrors the draft age which also goes up to 25.
119
russman2862 days ago
+63
No one ever told me I had to lol way past the cutoff now.
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Gaius_Catulus2 days ago
+102
Thankfully for you, nobody has been prosecuted for this in something like 30 years.
You do still get disqualified from a few programs. In case that's ever relevant for you, there is a potential to still get through it: https://www.sss.gov/register/men-26-and-older/
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QuitYuckingMyYum2 days ago
+15
I just checked if I ever registered and I did in 2003. I have no idea how I did that but I did!
15
AnimaLepton2 days ago
+18
Generally it's required or a fully automatic part of the process when you first get your driver's license. I remember having to click a checkbox for selective service when getting my first student loan.
I think 40+ states + Guam and Puerto Rico already had it set up so you're automatically registered for selective service when you get your driver's license, and that covers like 90% of the applicable folks in the US.
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THEREALISLAND6312 days ago
+7
Did you get your license in 2003? Every guy I know, myself included, had to do it than (this would have been NY). Most had no idea they even did it. Just like a required box you needed to check when doing paperwork.
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Roubaix7182 days ago
+12
What state are you in? You might have signed up automatically when you got a drivers license or ID. It's also possible that you signed up when in high school while filling out other school related forms. Its just a little half sheet of paper that some schools collect from their seniors.
12
ipunchtrees2 days ago
+13
27 i think
13
risu13132 days ago
+50
Another thing I’m too old for now
50
madasfire2 days ago
+205
Your kids are a risk they are willing to take
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IneffectiveFishbowl2 days ago
+461
(just start identifying as trans, they won't let you join)
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pizzasoup2 days ago
+378
That might get you put on a different list these days...
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RadiantEnvironment902 days ago
+151
Eh, I rather stand by them than fight a dumb war.
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suckfail2 days ago
+36
I'm Canadian. That seems to work as well.
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indistrustofmerits1 day ago
+16
I briefly worked as a temp for a federal agency and there was significant confusion at my interview that I wasn't registered for the selective service, even after I explained that I'm trans, because the admin running the show (it was like a job fair/mass interview) could not seem to understand that FTM was a thing.
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TriangleTransplant2 days ago
+75
Isn't this just automating the existing Selective Service registration that every male 18 and over has to register for already?
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VixenRaph2 days ago
+41
Yes. It's just making it automatic instead of requiring people to fill out forms
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Chainmale0012 days ago
+95
Men are automatically put into the draft when they register to vote. Just because there's not a draft active doesn't mean they don't already have it.
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The1Immortal12 days ago
+240
It's mandatory anyway, might as well be automatic
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Gaius_Catulus2 days ago
+127
This always seemed weird to me. Like, I was sent a thing by Selective Service around when I turned 18 telling me I had to register. You know who I am, you tell me I'm required to register, so why not just make that the registration and call it a day?
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Enshakushanna2 days ago
+21
because now disabled people are automatically registered for the draft
its more work to remove yourself from a list than to have never been on it in the first place (its the government, so it will probably take 8 months to complete this)
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Draconuus951 day ago
+18
Disabled here. I still had to register. Still got a draft card floating around somewhere. Just meant I was basically ineligible for service if the draft ever came up. But my name was still on the list until I aged out of the main group a few years ago.
Legally blind(can’t see well enough for a license or similar) for context
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googdude1 day ago
+6
I'm sure there's also people that get a disability *after* they're registered. To me it makes more sense that if a draft would come up all those that aren't physically able to report appear before a committee, same as conscientious objectors.
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Legal-Butterfly-45072 days ago
+77
So should voting be an automatic sign up.
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Spam_Hand2 days ago
+33
Of course it should. We all know why they're prioritizing war, but the basic idea of automation on this isn't a bad thing.
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itswhatsername2 days ago
+61
Yeah, this seems like a rare instance where the government is actually removing red tape instead of adding it. The headline is meant to scare people, but this has already been a thing for a long time, it's just removing an unnecessary step.
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SoloWingPixy882 days ago
+10
Don't mention have to sign up anyway?
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Shyam092 days ago
+34
Will Barron be automatically registered or is there an automatic exclusions list?
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googdude1 day ago
+12
You actually expect anyone in power to send their son that didn't already want to go? And if they did it would be well off the front lines.
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CondescendingShitbag2 days ago
+24
*"Would you like to know more?"*
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furrysalesman692 days ago
+225
Remember to refuse illegal orders, and call your JAG and keep all your documentation of your complaints.
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hanotak2 days ago
+42
Anyone who gets drafted can just refuse. If it's a choice between spending several years murdering people, or spending several years in prison, I know which I'm taking.
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Vio942 days ago
+24
This right here. Don't forget the third choice, dying within the first week of operation.
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Karr0k2 days ago
+43
Didn't they fire all, or most of the JAG?
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mac32 days ago
+12
No. Not even close. They did fire the leadership though.
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TheAnalogKid182 days ago
+33
My fiancee's dad is a high up in JAG, they're still alive and well.
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tehCharo2 days ago
+44
If MAGA loves this turd so much, why aren't they lining up to enlist to fight his wars?
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tmntnyc1 day ago
+12
This doesn't change anything. We already have had this since 1980 - it was called Selective Service, and every male citizen over 18yo already signed up for it. The difference is that before, you had to fill out a form and send it back to confirm your eligibility for Service. Now, you're going to be auto-enrolled, skipping the process of having to register. It was theoretically a "choice" to register but the punishment for not registering was a felony and loss of any/all federal benefits, including federal student loans. So it was only ever an illusion of choice.
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happyColoradoDave2 days ago
+27
Automatic voter registration next?
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general-noob2 days ago
+59
If we were required to before, making it automatic now is kind of a nothing burger, right?!?
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sarhoshamiral2 days ago
+144
Yeah, good luck forcing anyone to be drafted under one of trumps fake emergencies.
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antonio163092 days ago
+61
It would be political suicide. Most of his power comes from the fact that if Republicans don't do what he says they'll lose their next primary. A draft ensures that any representative in a marginal district or senator in a purple state loses the next general election. That's at least a couple dozen reps and a handful of senators; there's no way a draft passes without a direct threat to US soil.
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Street_Anxiety29072 days ago
+38
Pedophilia, tariffs, war, gas prices, normally all of this would be political suicide.
You think a draft would be a tie breaker?
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Peglegfish2 days ago
+24
Yeah I’m tired of hearing of political suicide. A lot folks keep coming back from the dead despite all the political suicide.
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FoolishProphet_23361 day ago
+6
But not voting or taxes. Ask yourself why these are deliberately not automated, while the draft is.
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jefbenet1 day ago
+6
you can sign my son up right after Barron
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Moontoya1 day ago
+21
So lemme see if I have this right
They'll send an 18 year old to war, without having a passport or other documents to validate them "signing up".
But the same 18 year old can't vote without a passport or other documents and jumping through all sorts of bollocks.
Make that make sense for me
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JustS0up4MyFamily2 days ago
+24
I'll go to jail before I go to murder people on their home soil
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Vaperius1 day ago
+9
Remember something in this moment:
However you feel about Iran, the moment you are drafted, they can send you anywhere. *Anywhere*. And you can be ordered to attack anyone. *Anyone*. This includes both countries you have positive attitudes towards, and your own family.
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