365 * 3 (years since 2023) * 47 = 51k.
That's Sus number if it only includes girls and women, who are supposed to be only 30% of killed. That would made average Gaza loses more than 160k, which is at least twice claimed even by Hamas.
If you go for source of these numbers and read the published article with the methodology, you will see that it is completely made up number.
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stonertear1 day ago
+207
This listnookor maths.
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DiscipleOfYeshua1 day ago
+35
And/or: brains.
And for my own, slightly related tangent:
Unfortunately uncommon (math, brains, common sense, factual reasoning, critical thought…) among the loudest voices and top comments on political matters skewed by bots and large sums of nation-level funding.
Sad and somewhat curious how the very taxes we simple listnookors pay (through our salaries and purchases) end up used (at least partly and rather generously) to fund… the psychological manipulation (dare I say “warfare”?) of ourselves. Though, I guess that’s been the case for centuries, using print/radio/tv… just that now it’s listnook and other digital platforms.
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Material_Series_7691 day ago
+11
Title is a clickbait, don't really need to say more.
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UlteriorAlt1 day ago
+2
Great maths, but the article and the report it's based on say the data covers a 2 year period. Not 3 years.
It's not even been 3 years since the October 7th attacks.
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Cross_Toss1 day ago
+2
That's still too many, even when reduced to 2 years
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omniuni1 day ago
+78
This is par for the course. They constantly make up numbers and then over years of criticism they dwindle down, but that's OK because no one bothers publishing the corrections as widely as the lie.
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DiscipleOfYeshua1 day ago
+27
By the time the dust settles…
* Only a fraction of what was said on front-page news back when tempers were wild and loud can even be verified.
* By then, tempers having cooled (or going wild over some new sensation).
* Little public care exists for the back page “correction” articles that remove a few decimal places from what was earlier regarded as “damning facts”.
* And the fake news pumped to us earlier gets branded as “inaccurate earlier estimates”…
We better check the seeds we allow to grow in our heads, the alternative being that we ourselves become sources of vast amounts of useless and/or harmful nonsense pumped into our/children’s world.
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timoperez1 day ago
+47
Speaking of sus; why did all the major protests on college campuses stop right after the election?
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Greybeard-MD1 day ago
+28
Mission Accomplished.
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Hungry_Ad_42781 day ago
+6
BLM protest also happened to be at thier peak prior to the 2016 election and after the election didn't hear much from them.
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Greybeard-MD1 day ago
+36
With 50 Islamic countries vs. a single Jewish country, Israel was never going to get a fair shake from the UN.
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Zontromm1 day ago
+16
and it has been shown by various third party organizations that the numbers by Hamas include Hamas members in them, which count for up to 30% themselves
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UlteriorAlt1 day ago
+23
The article does say the figure is a total of 38,000 women and children killed between October 2023 to December 2025.
> who are supposed to be only 30% of killed
The OHCRC report from 2024 found that of 8,119 verified fatalities, 44% were children and 26% were women.
A second report found 33% were children, 18% were women, and a further 9% were elderly.
The Max Planck institute found 27% were children under 5, and 24% were women.
I haven't found a single source as low as 30%.
**Edit** - the report behind this article reached a "completely made up" figure of 33.5%. Presumably it's the additional 3.5% which takes this report from plausible to unrealistic.
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enigmaticowl1 day ago
+27
“Women and children” is not the same as “women and girls.”
About half of children would be male, so that could explain some discrepancy.
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qTp_Meteor1 day ago
+27
When you start including male children then the question also needs to be of what age, because theres probably a good chunk of 16-18 y.o Hamas child soldiers which are categorized as male children
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enigmaticowl1 day ago
+5
Agree, which is why this article was initially talking about “women and girls,” because everyone knows that “women and children” will contain a non-insignificant number of male child soldiers, unfortunately.
There have also been cases of Hamas retroactively changing ages/birth years of deceased (ostensibly to inflate the alleged child death count), that have come to light because a particular dead individual is listed as like 0-4 years old, but at the same time, there are records of benefits being paid out to their spouse (for death in combat), and then Hamas has sometimes gone and changed the ages/dates back when these cases get media attention.
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Sutraner1 day ago
+16
>good chunk of 16-18 y.o Hamas child soldiers which are categorized as male children
16 would be starting late, Hamas recruit from as young as 11
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Karffs1 day ago
+10
>I haven't found a single source as low as 30%.
You quoted several.
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Mission_Scale_8601 day ago
+5
Is this only civilians or is it including female Hamas operatives and child soldiers?
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Snoo6676915 hr ago
+1
The problem is that:
a) You put any faith in the OHCRC when it comes to Israel - a ‘human rights’ council that has Iran chairing forums? and who’s most regular members are Cuba and China?
b) You are using data pushed by the UN, *before* Hamas and the UN [quietly halved the number of women and children to below 50% total.](https://www.cfr.org/articles/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-killed-gaza)
Are you seeing how the anti-Israel propaganda machine works yet?
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Several-Opposite-7461 day ago
+154
Average of men and boys killed daily during Gaza war, UN says huh?
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omniuni1 day ago
+54
The whole thing is just publicity.
Keep in mind, this includes deaths from natural causes, deaths by friendly fire, estimated percentages of unknown deaths, and more such dubious methods.
Men and boys are dubious for similar reasons. Hamas recruits as young as pre-teen for soldiers, and they prefer the younger soldiers to be in front, since those deaths sound better for them in the news, and it protects the more experienced soldiers. Also, children are more likely to be given uniforms, because they hide their age, while older soldiers are often plainclothes.
It doesn't mean that women, children, and just civilians in general that die aren't a tragedy. Of course it is.
But it *must* be acknowledged that not only are numbers like this often absurdly inflated, but also that Hamas uses explicit tactics to increase those numbers for the sake of publicity and leverage. A very high percentage, if not virtually all of those deaths stem from Hamas's insistance on using civilian infrastructure and civilian shields with the goal of having more dead civilians. Hamas has literally explained in internal documents how increasing civilian casualties and blaming their enemy is their most effective tactic.
So regardless of how true or not the specific number is, I urge anyone to remember that it is Hamas's *desire* to increase this number, and they literally do everything they can to sacrifice more of their people. Remember that when Palestinians protest Hamas, they are publicly executed and their deaths are added to this number. Remember that Palestinian civilians are not allowed in bomb shelters. Remember that when Hamas receives free aid, they sell a small portion to civilians while primarily feeding their terrorist soldiers.
So regardless of whether the number is inflated or not, you should be angry at Hamas for doing everything they can to make it higher.
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Mundane-Vegetable-311 day ago
+7
"Feminism is about equality" uh-huh...
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BaldursGate2Best1 day ago
-38
Women and children are much more difficult to claim as "Hamas fighters". This makes it more difficult for Israel to claim they did not commit a war crime. I think that's the takeaway here.
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planck13131 day ago
+56
Children is a wide category. It covers everything from babies to 17 year old armed members of Hamas.
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Like-A-Lion-In-Zion1 day ago
+97
Which is complete bullshit. We have seen hundreds if not more of women suicide bombers under ISIS, and of palestinian terrorist, being Hamas or others.
And we also have photographic evidence of the training of child soldier by Hamas.
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yuikkiuy1 day ago
+15
Actually it makes it easier since this number is so utter bullshit it would mean more women and girls died during the 3 year conflict than 2x the claimed number of total casualties by HAMAS...
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Mundane-Bug-49621 day ago
+28
Nah, it’s because women and (girl) children are supposed to stir more sympathy for … reasons
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Fijian961 day ago
+1
Sure, but the metrics only include women and female children. Where are the male children in this metric? I dont disagree, Israel has committed war crimes, but these statistics minimize male casualties, and most especially male child casualties.
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meinkausalitat1 day ago
+99
At this point the UN could say the sky is blue and I would start to question my own eyes…
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MaulerX1 day ago
+40
The problem is the hamas government is treated as a reliable source because of the professional sounding agency names.
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Viscerid1 day ago
+22
This is higher death toll than the wartime total hamas previously gave.. so some agency took the hamas numbers and said 'nah that doesn't sound bad enough' and then made up some figures
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ManhattanT51 day ago
+168
Odd to cherrypick like this.
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Foreign_Cable_95301 day ago
+85
The engagement-based ad revenue business model is great for business but bad for journalism.
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I_will_take_that1 day ago
+31
Headlines like this are what the far right uses to radicalize boys that no one cares about them.
Whether reuters did this intentionally or not is unknown, but its insane to have the need to segregate data for death when boys are also dying.
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ilijadwa1 day ago
+26
Yeah I find statistics presented like this upsetting. I read another article that was like “50% of the people killed in Gaza are women and children!” When like… 50% of Gaza are women and children, so that’s totally expected. But why is it only shocking if women and children are killed, but not men?
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LoboLocoCW1 day ago
+1
50% of Gazans are women (assuming female/male binary regardless of age) and 50% of Gaza are children (assuming child/adult binary).
Therefore, a truly indiscriminate attack would be expected over time to reach a casualty ratio of 75% "women and children."
If limited to "women and girls", a truly indiscriminate attack would be expected over time to reach a rate of 50% "women and girls."
A ratio lower than that would be indicative of either discrimination in targeting, or in additional protective efforts taken to counter indiscriminate targeting.
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Ancient_Mud_28411 day ago
+36
“Let’s rework the number and make a new article!”
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NicolasCageIsMyHero1 day ago
-10
I'd say it's more odd to kill an average of 47 women and girls everyday
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TheFBIClonesPeople1 day ago
+24
Honestly, I do not care about women more than I care about men, and I do not care about girls more than I care about boys. I don't see why anyone would disagree with that stance
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Logitech48731 day ago
-23
How is this cherry picking?
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ManhattanT51 day ago
+34
Because it's just pointing out women and girls, not men and boys too? It's like that "1 in 4 homeless people are women" awareness statistic. Like oh, I guess we should have empathy for the homeless now because some of them are women.
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TheFBIClonesPeople21 hr ago
+2
I had a teacher in high school tell the class that 28% of people with HIV were women, like that was a terrible burden on them I said "wait, so 72% of people with HIV are men? Doesn't that make it more of a male issue?" She said "No," because HIV cases were "on the rise" with women, and then she quickly changed the subject.
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ThePickleConnoisseur1 day ago
+27
I feel like the UN is proved wrong about its numbers 99% of the time. Kinda hard to take anything they say seriously
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MaleCowShitDetector1 day ago
+195
Reuters is really shit lately, this is from a different source:
> The figures have not been independently verified.
I had to dig real deep but eventually found the source for the figures:
> Sofia Calltorp, who presented the figures at a Geneva press briefing, attributed them to data from the Gaza Ministry of Health
So basically Hamas said 47 women and girls dead a day.
Very trustworthy.
EDIT: Already seeing massive downvotes from salty terrorist supporters. Wake the f*** up. All the Palestinians do is bully and then play victim.
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MaulerX1 day ago
+13
Idk if Reuters is bad or if people are too trusting of the hamas governments information. These news sites will cite hamas as education ministry, or health department or whatever official sounding title. But in reality, its hamas making shit up or greatly exaggerating the numbers.
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basicalme1 day ago
+53
How did they manage to not even reach the 1000 that Hamas did in a day, a single time, while “indiscriminately” bombing? Really makes me wonder if the whole thing was just propaganda garbage.
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Logitech48731 day ago
-39
> Wake the f*** up. All the Palestinians do is bully and then play victim.
The f***? This is some extreme generalisation. You sound like a huge racist.
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Extension-Toe-70271 day ago
+9
So the only dead cop we had in Germany lately was in the context of the Gaza situation. The Iranian march in Munich on the other hand, had 250.000 Iranians on it, none of the cops were on riot gear and on the end they put out a video thanking the marchers because they didn't had to to a single intervention. Instead of talking about racism you should be taking about civility.
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Logitech48731 day ago
+4
Why? The guy is literally generalizing Palestinians in a very negative light, trying to justify the murder of their civilians. It's bizarre and disgusting.
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Like-A-Lion-In-Zion1 day ago
+44
Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan... All those countries where they bullied the same people that offered them a refuge.
And then they play the victim. Every single time.
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MaleCowShitDetector1 day ago
+27
In my language it's called "seeing shit for what it really is" a more adequate translation would be: "That's the reality, deal with it"
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Gaumir1 day ago
+16
Well that's a manipulative title if I ever saw one
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MVP_Legend_871 day ago
+121
Tens of thousands of lives would have been saved if Hamas returned all the hostages a year earlier, and agreed to a ceasefire in 2024 instead of 2025. But instead of prioritizing the lives of Palestinians in a war they were clearly losing, Hamas chose that torturing and keeping hostages was far more important.
This stat is more damning of how little Hamas cares about the Palestinians than anything else.
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Weekly-Rich35351 day ago
+59
Listnook doesn’t care about that
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Goosepond011 day ago
-22
>This stat is more damning of how little Hamas cares about the Palestinians than anything else
I mean you are asking a brutal terrorist organisation to simply not be? I agree with the sentiment but at the same time a LOT of this suffering is also due to the handling of not just this conflict but Israeli actions for 10s of years and they are a largely democratic, western funded 'modern' state, I expect them to not be comitting warcrimes and ethnically cleansing a population.
and to be clear this doesn't mean hamas are not also horifically bad but in reality the Israeli government and Hamas deserve to all be put on trial.
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MVP_Legend_871 day ago
+50
The blame needs to be assigned to the responsible party which is Hamas. It is as simple as that. People are far too eager to blame Israel and ignore any responsibility Hamas had in prolonging this conflict.
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tech01x1 day ago
+28
No ethnic cleansing, that’s just stupid talk.
The Arab Muslims that stayed are Israel’s today. There are about 2 million of them.
Also, Israel’s conduct of the war is without peer in terms of low civilian casualties.
Stop with the Islamist propaganda.
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EnthusiasmUnusual1 day ago
-29
'If she only wore a longer skirt, I wouldn't have assaulted her'
This is how this sounds.
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MVP_Legend_871 day ago
+21
This is a terrible comparison.
We have to recognize that Hamas is responsible for prolonging the war. It could have ended at least a year earlier if Hamas had valued the Palestinians over torturing hostages.
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Logitech48731 day ago
-6
Israel doesn't HAVE to kill civilians.
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MVP_Legend_871 day ago
+19
Unfortunately civilians are always at risk for injury or death in a conflict. Which is why Hamas should have recognized the potential for civilians to get harmed. But instead Hamas actively chose to put them in harms way by operating in civilian infrastructure, and prolonging the war.
If you truly care about these women and girls you would hold Hamas responsible for prolonging the conflict.
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CharlesForbin1 day ago
+22
>Israel doesn't HAVE to kill civilians.
Neither did Hamas. Collateral damage is part of war, but when IDF kill civilians, there is an investigation and possible charges. When Hamas kill civilians, Hamas pay them a bounty.
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Logitech48731 day ago
+5
Ah yes, when Israel investigates themselves. This doesn't matter because they're an insanely corrupt far right government.
Of course hamas is horrible.
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CharlesForbin1 day ago
+17
>when Israel investigates themselves.
Who should do it? The insanely anti-Semitic, pro-Pali UN?
>they're an insanely corrupt far right government
Israel do not conduct prosecutions during an active war, which is very common, but [from 2017 through to 2021](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/25/israel-military-court-jails-soldiers-for-abusing-palestinian-man):
* The IDF received 1,260 allegations of offending by soldiers against Palestinians
* Opened 248 investigations
* Resulting in 11 criminal indictments
In the same period, Hamas conducted zero investigations, resulting in zero indictments. They still have a policy to pay USD$5-10K for families of suicide bombers who kills any Jew or American. They offer bonuses for high profile or mass killings. Hamas pay more than USD$10K for the capture of any living Jewish civilian.
You can't just hand-wave it away with the unfounded claim that they're "insanely corrupt far right government" while totally ignoring the environment they have to operate in.
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anomie891 day ago
+9
not the brightest comparison.
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DiscipleOfYeshua1 day ago
+14
UN has said such vast amounts of 8ull$#!+, by now they may as well claim “58% of men are women and children” and we won’t find it strange.
Recall, the UN literally gave Hamas members server rooms, fuel, cars, jobs/salaries and buildings (!) … we’re talking about Hamas terrorists who proudly murdered, raped, kidnapped — and taught others to do the same. Some of these Hamasniks were UN-paid school teachers and curriculum creators (!!).
TL;DR: Take UN statements with a small shovel of salt, people. The political agenda there (and especially UN’s main source for all this, UNWRA, which got kicked out after it was shown it is actually just Hamas with a thin European marketing/PR layer). UN is anti-Israel biased (heavily) in the last 2-3 decades.
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Medawky1131 day ago
+40
What's the source for these statistics? The ministry of Hamas propaganda, which normally just makes numbers up half an hour after an attack lands before the dust has even settled.
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Logitech48731 day ago
-21
Do you really not think Israel is killing shitloads of civilians?
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CreativeContract21701 day ago
+36
You can think Israel killed civilians and still not believe these bullshit statistics lol.
The amount of c*** I’ve seen published about deaths in this war would make me think the death toll was 50 million by now.
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Medawky1131 day ago
+15
I wouldn't describe it as a shitload. Israel's civilian to combatant fatality ratio has actually been amazing given the circumstances. Hamas embeds their military infrastructure into civilian buildings and they gleefully martyr their civilians for PR wins and to put international pressure on Israel.
Iran killed 30,000 protestors in a few weeks versus Israel killed between 75,000 to 100,000 people over the course of 2.5 years with a large chunk of that number being valid military combatants.
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Logitech48731 day ago
+5
> Israel's civilian to combatant fatality ratio has actually been amazing given the circumstances.
We won't know that until many years later. Obviously Israel cannot be trusted with numbers, and Hamas cannot be trusted with numbers.
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Medawky1131 day ago
+8
No we can trust Israel, they're a first world nation with a free press and they respect the scientific method and principles of statistics. I trust their reporting as well as any western European country.
They're not third world religious cultists who still stone people to death.
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Logitech48731 day ago
-1
> No we can trust Israel,
??????????????
Are you out of your mind? Are we talking about the same Israel? Wtf is your issue?
> they're a first world nation with a free press
They literally have been blocking independent press from entering Gaza. What the f*** are you on about?
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Medawky1131 day ago
+15
Free press doesn't equate to allowing journalists into an active war zone.
There have been a handful of "journalists" in Gaza that have later been proven to be Hamas or Hamas affiliated. Israel isn't going to compromise their security to let terrorists or propagandists roam around.
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Logitech48731 day ago
+2
If you're going warfare and you refuse to let independent press in, you are hiding something
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beambag1 day ago
+16
If the UN says it, it's definitely not true
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HamasDaddyOnFire1 day ago
+14
How many were raped to death by Hamas?
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WorkingOwl58831 day ago
+16
Yeap. It is far more newsworthy of the 30k+ allegedly killed in Iran or tens of thousands killed in the Sudanese civil war.
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Commercial-Lack62791 day ago
+17
Hamas, Hezbollah, and all other Iranian backed groups could end this now if they just. Stopped.
Trying. To. Kill. Jews. And. Destroy. Israel.
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tocomfome1 day ago
+14
Yea, right, source: Hamas said so
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Impressive-Weird-9081 day ago
+13
Same UN that had 9 members work with Hamas to attack a music festival and take hostages? This obviously doesn’t mean the number is false but I would get my information from a different source.
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Zontromm1 day ago
+6
this is the fifth article by reuters in a month which has had completely false information about the conflicts
they used to be a reputed source, now they feel like a terrorist propaganda
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Top_Conference_4771 day ago
+28
This is Hamas’ strategy, no?
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K0TEM1 day ago
+4
The same UN that spews out Hamas' inflated numbers and doesn't differentiate between civilians and Combatants?
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nTzT1 day ago
+3
What about the other genders?
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awckward1 day ago
+6
Hiding behind the women and girls perhaps.
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SolidFerretOK1 day ago
+5
Written by a white lady in Britain. Glad to see ragebait titles still happening
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griii21 day ago
+2
Men and boys, are not human?
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Not-a-thott1 day ago
+2
The terrorists come from somewhere. Believe it or not it's women. Just sucks for the innocent ones that can't escape.
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HarEr891 day ago
+1
Why are they making a difference between girls and boys?
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Thadbeuz1 day ago
+1
Fake. Compare to Ukraine or other conflicts/wars.
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strongsong8 hr ago
+1
I can make up numbers too 58259275928483
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frozen_pope1 day ago
-22
Why are people saying this is weird and cherrypicking?
Women and girls are the largest cohort that are least likely to be legitimate military targets.
Think of what the implications of that are. THINK for f*** sake.
Edit: what is actually wrong with you people?
Edit 2: Your downvotes mean nothing.
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Fine-Entertainer-5071 day ago
+7
If the title said male and female or people all the comments would have said, how many of them are hamas members
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Knowledge_Moist1 day ago
-13
This. By specifying women and kids, people can't easily drop the usual "but how many of them were HAMAS?!" shtick.
Even then, some will say that 12+ y/o boys can be Hamas too so they have to say girls, not just kids. These freaks always try to find something to justify this massacre.
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beiherhund1 day ago
+3
You are probably right and if this was the only instance the media does this it'd probably not draw as much ire but they do it for all sorts of mass casualty events. A boat full of migrants will capsize killing hundreds and the headline will still read "dozens of women and children killed".
It just gets more clicks and sympathy so when it's used here one wonders if that was part of the reason or not.
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Mission_Scale_8601 day ago
+4
Hamas has both child soldiers and female operatives
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Virtual-History-60991 day ago
+6
It was urban warfare in a densely packed Strip against terrorists who hide among civilians. "Think for f*** sakes" well there you go.
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hexdeedeedee1 day ago
-4
\>THINK for f*** sake.
Nah ima uno reverse that my dude. People are tired of feminist rhetoric, youd know that if you touched grass. This is simply a news article ragebaiting for engagement.
Civilian casualties stats make the same point, with bigger numbers, and without having to manipulate the reader. But, again, less ad revenue in that.
Money rules everything, THINK ffs
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RaymondBeaumont1 day ago
+5
"Talking about women being killed makes my fragile masculinity go crycry."
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frozen_pope1 day ago
-1
How you got some sort of feminist point from this is f****** wild.
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jimthewanderer1 day ago
-3
Please seek spiritual guidance for your illness.
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the_red_bull1 day ago
-6
Indeed. Think. The question is, why. Why did this have to happen. to what extent is journalism even legal in Gaza. To what extent are these alleged 47 women and children liable. Think. Understand agency, and the motivations of people. Understand the actions of the actors of the ground. Think.
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Visible_Bar_6231 day ago
-6
Uhh...how many people overall die each day?
Or are some of these people...not classed as people?
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Mr065061 day ago
-19
Because the bots on here will claim any male was a Hamas fighter. So calling out women and girls makes it far clearer that civilians were being killed so recklessly.
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MVP_Legend_871 day ago
+25
The civilian casualty ratio was approximately 2.36:1, that is not an example of civilians being recklessly killed. Certainly not in urban combat zone where the enemy hides in civilian infrastructure and puts civilians directly in harms way.
The US in Mosul had a higher civilian casualty rate than this.
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Virtual-History-60991 day ago
+8
Will you acknowledge the incredibly difficult and unique conditions Israel fought over and how its enimies conducted themselves operating among civilians? Otherwise you're looking just as myopic as those you claim to attack.
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Mission_Scale_8601 day ago
+2
Hamas has bort child soldiers and female operatives
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Ancient_Mud_28411 day ago
+1
When you cut out cancer some good tissue gets removed too. The real issue was allowing that cancer to become so widespread in a small densely populated area.
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RoleTall20251 day ago
+1
just be slightly wary about this is calculation, lol.
They are trying to make a point about females being killed and use a specific manner of calculating it which makes the presentation almost seem made up - it's just a very specific snippit of a time period and not the entire conflict.
Personally find it very unhelpful make emphasis on one gender being killed. Fact of the matter is people are dying. Choosing your favourite soft spot to highlight that doesn't translate, i'm sorry to say.
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SteedOfTheDeid1 day ago
-5
Wait but how many left handed bicyclists born on a leap year are killed daily?
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