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Be honest, did Game of Thrones ruin its legacy with the ending?

Posted by Jabba_108


For years it felt untouchable, every season had people locked in, talking about it everywhere. Then that last season dropped and split everybody. Some people say it destroyed the whole show. Others say it was still one of the greatest series ever regardless. Where you stand on it?

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sgtabn173 6 days ago +86
Yes. It ruined the show, and I'm convinced it is the reason that GRRM is afraid to finish his books.
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staedtler2018 6 days ago +14
He's not afraid to finish the books. He is just incapable of it.
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LordXenu45 6 days ago +20
Same here. I think after the backlash of the show he decided to try and change the book ending, couldn't figure out what to do, and at this point has probably given up.
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WaluigiIsTheRealHero 6 days ago +10
Which is frustrating, because most of the actual ending plot points aren’t inherently bad (Arya kills the night king, Bran becomes king, Sansa becomes Lady of winterfell, Jon leaves to go north of the wall despite his parentage, Gendry is Robert’s heir, etc.) but the journey that got there in the TV show was just so bad. I would trust GRRM to do a significantly better job getting to those main ending plot points.
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Morgan-Moonscar 6 days ago +6
They cut to these endings too quickly and removed a bunch of plotlines set up in the books that better reached these conclusions. "Griff" Blackfyre being the biggest one.
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Wrong-Vermicelli4723 6 days ago +8
The only brain dead ending is Bronn somehow becoming Lord of Highgarden… that was just stupid as hell.. definitely since in the books they’re more Tyrell running around. Also he be assassinated within the week. 
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago +4
Yeah but GRRM talked about how some random characters got promoted due to market testing and it seem Bronn is who he meant. Flip side is it’s funny he got harenhall since it’s cursed and anyone that’s ever had it dies horribly so Edit: I misremembered thinking he got harenhall. High garden is even stupider
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Wrong-Vermicelli4723 6 days ago +3
Which is dumb as hell. They threw out the political nature of the world for… market testing. Commoners being promoted to lord paramount of the reach makes no sense.. when there still Tyrell running around and Hightowers as well. Bronn becoming a lord of some random castle makes more sense. 
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago +1
Yeah it’s also complicated since each family is much smaller in the show. Usually no cadet branches. And a lot of times less siblings. They’re missing at least one Tyrell kid in the show
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parabostonian 6 days ago +4
Eh I think Arya killing the night king was pretty dumb / bad writing. It’d be like having Jon Snow kill Clegane. (Which would just kind of ruin the hound’s plot line.) Arya’s plot is all about revenge/justice toward the people on her list. Having her randomly take care of the others was really silly imo
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azurewindowpane 6 days ago +2
Eh, maybe it shook his faith a little bit, but the endings that ruined the show absolutely **can** work in the books if set up differently. King Bran? GRRM could lean into Bran becoming a sort of avatar, voluntary or not, for the Old Gods, it would make for a creepy ending. Mad Daenerys? It's already being set up more logically with Aegon VI - by the time Daenerys gets to Kings Landing, Aegon will be in charge and she'll be left wondering what the point of anything she did over the course of the novels was, which sets the stage for a much more convincing fall than what the show did with Cersei still somehow being in charge.
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sgtabn173 6 days ago +7
Idk I have a hard time squaring the amount of mental gymnastics it would take for me to accept Bran winning the game of thrones.
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago +2
He is the first chapter in the first book. It’s not going to be happy ending. It’s gonna be ominous. In the books it’s much more fucked up with everything with the old gods and him. He almost certainly will be a lich king
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azurewindowpane 6 days ago +2
Bran is a literal god who can see anything anywhere at any point in history.
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sgtabn173 6 days ago +1
I actually don't think he is a literal god
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azurewindowpane 6 days ago +1
In the worldview of ASOIAF, he's literally one of the Old Gods.
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staedtler2018 6 days ago +1
There was no game to win.
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago +1
i think thats way too generous. hes in writing block hell well before the end. the last book he put out was when season 1 came out.
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Pugilist12 6 days ago +51
Yes. No show has ever shit the bed so spectacularly.
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Deadlocked02 6 days ago +5
There’s no other answer. No other show has teased the ending so heavily and failed so utterly to deliver. Some stories can be about the journey, but GOT focused heavily on the destination.
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Radiant-Objective-35 6 days ago +6
Failed so HORRIBLY that the guys who made it, had their own Star Wars movies cancelled.
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago +4
That’s kinda crazy to say. There’s endless shows with bad endings.
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staedtler2018 6 days ago +6
Yeah people are totally delusional. Dexter had a worse ending *and* then had a revival with a new ending that people also didn't like!
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago +3
Yeah out of the four Dexter shows three endings are bad lol
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Krateling 6 days ago +1
only one got any ending. New Blood was basically rebranded to Resurrection which is still on going and Original Sin is a prequel
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GreatBigJerk 6 days ago +1
It was a tremendously bad ending for a show that was so strong at the beginning.  I can't think of a show that fucked so badly that it transitioned from a timeless classic to unwatchable fan fiction. There are lots of shows that had shitty endings, but they generally were just enjoyable out of the gate.  Dexter is a good example of this. It was a lot of fun, but no one expected it to be an amazing piece of art. A shitty ending is disappointing, but it was never going to be great. Lost had the potential to be something bigger, but the ending was _good enough_. Not terrible, but not what most people hoped for. GoT felt like watching a bunch of exceptional gritty low fantasy movies... And then they ran out of reference material. 
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Hspryd 6 days ago +1
Acolyte was bedshitting all along, while GOT transformed after they had no book material left. Starfleet Academy I think was just bad on purpose, so is it a contender if he never tried ?…
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TheHammerToes 5 days ago +1
Means you having watch blacklist BULLshit ending
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LordDusty 6 days ago
The one that comes close for me is the Mandalorian, but you could argue that it was a different show that defecated in that bed (though arguably arguable thats its still the same franchise) The first two seasons were really good and led up to an emotional and well constructed payoff only to completely backtrack and undo it almost immediately in a pretty unrelated show. All the emotion and build up, all the and good character work and interesting new potential directions gone straight out the window and its completely killed any interest and hype I had for the characters and their stories. Mando & Grogu were my favourite parts of Disney Star Wars and thanks to one change, one massive mistake in storytelling and now I don't care
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HankSteakfist 3 days ago +2
Mandalorian S1 was really good. S2 was still good, but you can tell that the studio had made some adjustments. The show suddenly wasn't as gritty and started to rely on PT and OT cameos. But it still had some great episodes. S3 just felt pointless. The only epsiode I think I enjoyed was the one where Din gets trapped in the underground catacombs on Mandalore.
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LordDusty 3 days ago +1
You can certainly notice the origins of change and future issues in S2 but to its credit it still did it all very well (even potential issues can still be strengths if done right) Take the cameos for example, there were what, four main ones - Bo, Boba, Ahsoka, Luke. I would say that only Boba was not needed for the context of that seasons story but he was done so well (unlike most of his own show!) that at the time it still worked. There was obvious elements of setting up for other spinoff shows (Boba and Ahsoka mostly) but most of the problems stem from the failure to make those spinoffs worth it not the set up itself. Had the follow up series been good I think people wouldn't have as much issue with Mando S2, a bit like how with hindsight TFA is seen in a worse light because of how badly TLJ & RoS fumbled the set up. But yeah the popularity of Grogu has certainly skewed and sent Mando in a worse off direction thanks to studio interference. A change in style along with some incredibly shortsighted narrative choices has completely removed any interest I have in these characters and their stories.
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gigashadowwolf 6 days ago -4
Even a J.J. Abrams show?
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muad_dibs 6 days ago +5
Which J.J. Abrams show shit the bed more?
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gigashadowwolf 6 days ago
I'm mostly making a joke honestly. J.J. Abrams is notorious for creating great compelling stories and mysteries without a plan on how to resolve them. I think Lost is probably the best television example of this, it shat the bed pretty badly, but admittedly not as badly as GoT did. Arguably the Star Wars sequels did shit the bed as badly as GoT did, but that's a movie. Also Amber Heard shat the bed pretty hard too.
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GamingTatertot 6 days ago +3
> J.J. Abrams is notorious for creating great compelling stories and mysteries without a plan on how to resolve them. I think Lost is probably the best television example of this, it shat the bed pretty badly, but admittedly not as badly as GoT did. Feel like it's worth noting that J.J. Abrams was not that involved in LOST beyond the first half of season 1. He helped a lot of the early development, but the reins were given to Lindelof and Cuse partway through season 1
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Disastrous_Wing7084 6 days ago +3
>Lost is probably the best television example of this You mean the show where JJ Abrams only wrote two episodes of the whole show and was never the showrunner is a better example than the shows he actually did write?
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +2
> J.J. Abrams is notorious for creating great compelling stories and mysteries without a plan on how to resolve them. I think Lost is probably the best television example of this, it shat the bed pretty badly, but admittedly not as badly as GoT did. You don't know what you are even talking about... why do you say this stuff? Honestly. Please tell me.
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horriblehank 6 days ago -1
Lost at least didn’t run a whole season to explain it was a lame ass dream. That was just one awful episode. They had no clue how it would end when they started.  GOT got ruined by a rush to get to those points. Points that made sense. Just not how we got there. 
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Disastrous_Wing7084 6 days ago +3
Have to jump in here because people misunderstanding the Lost ending is honestly one of my biggest pet peeves lol: the "dream" was only the flash-sideways scenes in season 6, not the entire show - everything that happened on the island actually happened
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horriblehank 6 days ago -4
It’s poor writing because it doesn’t make sense. The writers saying I don’t understand is just another cop out. All those loose strings hanging in the end, terrible. And again, even Abram’s said he’s more about the journey. It was the worst ending to a great show. 
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Disastrous_Wing7084 6 days ago +2
None of that disputes what I said, I wasn't commenting on whether it was a good ending or not. The reason I find it frustrating when people when people get it wrong is because of how explicitly the show spells it out
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KongTheMonke 6 days ago +3
Yeah exactly. It's perfectly fine if people don't like the ending. While it's my favourite show of all time, I definitely can understand why someone wouldn't like it. But to say it made no sense is baffling. They literally spell it out in the last episode
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +2
What doesn't make sense? What is it that you don't understand? What loose strings are you talking about? What's so bad about the ending?
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gigashadowwolf 6 days ago
Again. It's a joke. I honestly agree GoT shat the bed much harder than anything JJ made with the exception of the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago
> They had no clue how it would end when they started. And? What kind of argument is that supposed to be?
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theclipclop28 6 days ago -6
Stranger things did
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sulla76 6 days ago +7
Stranger Things never approached GoT in terms of quality, though.
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Pugilist12 6 days ago
Not even close
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Steelspy 6 days ago -9
The "survivors" of Oceanic 815 have entered the conversation
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The_Meemeli 6 days ago +4
If you're saying that they died in the plane crash and most of the show didn't happen, then you misinterpreted the finale.
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fax5jrj 6 days ago +5
Nah Lost had a pretty decent ending. Far, far away from the worst I've seen I'm also not saying this is you but you the most common criticism of the ending I've seen is they were dead the whole time which is completely untrue.
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horriblehank 6 days ago -3
They can try and retcon that they were alive the whole time, but I bet money they didn’t have an ending in mind or that this was somehow better. It’s lazy writing. Even Abram’s has said he’s more about the journey less the destination. That’s poor writing. 
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +2
There's no need to retcon anything. If you think they were dead the whole time, tell me when they died... please. I'm all ears.
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +2
Why are you like this?
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Steelspy 6 days ago -1
Why are you asking about me? Lost S6 was a disaster. A complete bail out on everything that preceded it. They wrote indulgently for five seasons and had no answers. So they decided to introduce entirely new nonsense in the home stretch. No payoff. Not even a bait-and-switch. Just an abrupt switch. It's a little poetic. Midway through an incredible journey, Abrams, Lindelof, and Lieber's vehicle crashed. Just like Oceanic 815.
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kuhpunkt 5 days ago +2
Why did you put "survivors" in quotation marks? And now you say more stuff without saying anything concrete. A complete bail out? What does that even mean? They had answers and you were given answers the whole time. No pay off? To what? An abrupt switch? What do you mean? And you don't even know who was responsible for the show... so typical.
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Steelspy 5 days ago
Wow! I appreciate your interest in me, but that's not why I spend time on Listnook.
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kuhpunkt 5 days ago +1
So you can't answer the question. Cool.
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makuXrosu 6 days ago +5
I only watched the show when it was airing and I thought about rewatching it once S7 ended. I never did that
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Derpderpderpderpde 6 days ago +10
Not only did it ruin its legacy it also means anytime a show like house of the dragon references the prince that was promised it’s an immediate eye roll and reminder of how shit the final season was. The first 4-5 seasons are amazing but rewatching them would just remind you that this all leads to a rushed final season that makes almost no sense and falls off a cliff.
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seancbo 6 days ago +30
Of course. It was one of my favorite shows ever and I'm literally still mad about it. No other media property was so widespread and loved, and then so hated, except for maybe Star Wars after Phantom Menace.
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aniamixon 6 days ago +4
I don't think so. People were disappointed because for years they created fan fiction in their heads about how the show should have ended. A new generation will not have that problem, they will watch the whole show in a couple of weeks, without ever thinking about werewolves, vampires, Cleganebowls, time witches, made up prophecies, Cercei Stoneheart, giant spider ships, or big sci-fi twist endings.
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Toby_O_Notoby 6 days ago +4
Nope. It was in the 2025 Gunniess Book of World records as [Most in-demand TV series overall.](https://www.advanced-television.com/2024/10/10/guinness-reveals-most-in-demand-tv-shows/) Meaning a show that that had been off the air for years was literally beating every other show including current ones. It has two sequels currently running on HBO with another three or so in develoment. On top of that there is a movie based on Aegon's Conquest coming to theaters and Game of Thrones: The Mad King opneing at the Royal Shakespear Theatre. So despite any personal preferences, it has reruns in the GBWR, at least two spinoffs, a movie and a stage play. Seems to be a pretty solid legacy.
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RodgeKOTSlams 6 days ago +12
I haven’t and will never rewatch the series again. Not sure if that really has anything to do with ruining its legacy though
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HurricaneLink 6 days ago +2
Ugh I stupidly researched the series between seasons 4 and 5 “so I could remember all of the character dynamics”, as if the “previously on” didn’t catch you up.
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yaboyjiggleclay 6 days ago +8
It’s still liked as we see with the 2 series after it still getting good ratings but it’s absolutely in “The Wire”, “The Sopranos” & “Breaking Bad” territory if they had just a decent final season.
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Baytee 6 days ago +16
It was a cultural phenomenon and now barely anyone talks about it except in this exact context of how bad the ending was.
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AnxiousBurro 6 days ago +7
And yet up until at least few years ago it was still one of the most streamed shows. Listnook is a bubble.
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PerfectDoubleTapered 6 days ago +6
This. During COVID everybody was rewatching every other show…except Thrones
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Squidwina 6 days ago
Yup. Over on r/televisionsuggestions, it barely gets mentioned. Even shows that went bad like Dexter get recommended with the caveat to only watch the first 4-5 seasons. But GoT? Nope.
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JonnyActsImmature 6 days ago +2
"barely anyone talks about it" What f****** universe do you live in?
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yador 6 days ago +12
It started dropping in quality post season 4 if I recall right, but the drop off at the end was epic.
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zoobrix 6 days ago +6
As soon as the writers starting running out of dialogue they could lift from the books characters started losing their snap. For example Varys, Littlefinger and Tyrion all lose their witty repartee and become sad shadows of themsleves. Martin is really good at writing dialogue and once GoT writers couldn't use him as a crutch it really showed.
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r_lucasite 6 days ago +5
Some of the best dialogue from the show is stuff they made up themselves. The show fell apart once it became a fan of itself and didn’t have the books to give a structure.
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zoobrix 6 days ago +1
Sure the writers came up with some good stuff themselves, and lot of lines were also lifted from the books almost word for word which gives them more time to work on other parts of the script. And the failures of the later seasons weren't all do with plot, seeing Varys and Tyrion struggle with trying to administer Daenerys's new empire across the narrow sea could have been interesting, but the dialogue between them falls flat. Once they didn't have the books to pick and choose lines from the overall qaulity of the writing took a noticable dive, and not just in plot and setting.
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xavPa-64 6 days ago +3
Yeah season 5 was when it first started to noticeably dip in quality and season 7 was when the pacing issues came, but I recently binged the whole show and the dip in quality between the season 7 finale and season 8 premiere is so jarring I couldn’t believe it. And I swear the actors all knew it too, like I swear they all had this “ugh let’s just get this over with” look on their faces
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DarkwingMcQuack 6 days ago +2
I think part of the reason for that is by season 4 or 5 they caught up to the books and had no source material to reference to anymore.
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Quick-Time 6 days ago +2
Yeah, the first 4 seasons were the best, IMO. I was just trudging on with the last 4 seasons.
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mypizzamyproblem 6 days ago +1
This is demonstrably false. It’s trendy to shit on the show for the ending that was delivered, but only the last two seasons saw a measured drop in quality. Seasons 5 and 6 contained some all-time episodes, including Hardhome, Mother’s Mercy, The Door, Battle of the Bastards, and Winds of Winter. In fact, after Season 4 (where you claimed the show lost steam), GOT won Outstanding Drama at the Emmys for Seasons 5, 6, 7 and 8. Even an average GOT season was better than most shows on the air at that time.
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yador 5 days ago
We have agree to disagree. Up to and including season 4 was good for me. As for awards they are as much about politics and money as it is about merit. And I agree it still was better than a lot of shows, but in comparison to it's earlier seasons it was going down hill.
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sharrrper 6 days ago +1
>It started dropping in quality post season 4 if I recall right Which, if I recall correctly, was also where they ran out of book material. Season 5 was still good but a touch of wobble. The high wire walker had to correct his balance. Season 6 he was dangling from the wire but still hanging on. Season 7 was free fall. Then Season 8 he actually engaged a rocket booster and turbo blasted face first into the pavement.
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redsyrus 6 days ago +1
I don’t quite get the season 6 & 7 hate though. 6 had The Door (one of my favourites) and the last 2 eps are both 9.9 on IMDb. Season 7 also had 4/7 episodes rated above 9 and I thought the series was pretty solid. Even Season 8 wasn’t too bad at the beginning.
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Amadeum 6 days ago +5
For me, yeah It’s no longer talked about in pop culture no matter how many spinoff and prequels it does
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NoNefariousness2144 6 days ago +1
The merch sales completley crashed as well. In the 2010s you would see stuff like House Stark or Lannister merch everywhere. Now there is nothing.
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AvatarKanol 6 days ago +6
Yes and no. While the ending remains a stain and will always be controversial. The show itself is still one of the greatest of all time even with its earlier seasons. Even now there is a huge interest in the spinoffs, though it probably would have been even bigger if the ending of the actual main story had stuck the landing.
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GamingTatertot 6 days ago +2
It's a weird thing because I've really enjoyed House of the Dragon (season 1 at least, hadn't watched season 2) and Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. Both those shows renewed my interest in the world of Westeros. But sometimes it is tough to know that, no matter what, all those stories still lead down to GOT season 8 and everything that happens there. Like the first episode of HOTD where King Viserys describes the prophecy of The Prince That Was Promised is really cool, but also undercut by how GOT handled that
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ltcuetf 6 days ago +2
In every way that matters, yes. GRRM watched his ending get adapted, saw the internet reaction, and now has to sit with the knowledge that whatever he writes will be compared to that. There’s no clean way forward for him anymore. He can either finish the books and people will say “too late” or don’t finish and the show version becomes the only ending that exists. The last season didn’t just hurt the show, for most intents it killed the books.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ It’s why almost always whenever news about him comes up It’s about him working on some other adaptation or spinoff and I expect that will continue until he passes. Just easier for him to avoid it entirely now.
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jogdenpr 6 days ago +6
Absolutely it f****** did. Martin will never finish the book series because he knows the damage is done
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psychonik 6 days ago +3
I blame the ending on him. The books are a mess. Too much going on and then he keeps adding more.
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Jabba_108 6 days ago
I hear that
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MangosTasteGreat 6 days ago +3
Yes. It tanked any goodwill for the vast majority of the fan base.
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Johnny0230 6 days ago +5
Judging by the results of the other series and spin-offs, and considering that it's one of the few TV series that's transitioning to the big screen, likely with great success, I think its cultural impact has remained unchanged. The last two seasons are terrible, but as simple and obvious as it sounds, the journey also matters. People like that world and that style.
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thresh_to_death 6 days ago -1
Its cultural impact now amounts to "don't do what GoT did" the spin-offs are them desperately trying to keep the ip alive
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Zall-Klos 6 days ago +2
I mean, how do you solve a problem that got GRRM stuck for decades in 10 months?
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rowsdowerrrrrrr 6 days ago +2
yes. i loved the books long before the show came out but now there’s almost no way i’d read another one
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Jabba_108 6 days ago -2
Wow
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Infamous-Lab-8136 6 days ago +1
It and How I Met Your Mother are two of the only shows I watched the full run of and enjoyed a majority of but wouldn't re-watch when we moved in with my MIL and started showing her TV she missed over the last few years because the ending is something I'm not going to put up with again I think the fact that every topic about the show where someone is considering watching it ends up with tons of, "You'll like it, but it ends poorly, know it going in" show that the legacy is at least impacted That said I don't think it ruined the legacy of the universe given how things are continuing with it. I look at it as Star Trek right now. Turnabout Intruder was a shitty final episode and a terrible way to end the original Trek. So was the ending of Enterprise at that time. And now Academy and Strange New Worlds going out with a whimper to end it a 3rd time seems like yet again a weak ending is in the cards. Yet the franchise remains beloved and the legacy of TOS now is that it launched an amazing sci-fi universe that just celebrated its 60th birthday with successful TV shows, movies, books, comics, video games, TTRPGs, and other forms, and fans be lining up for the next re-launch whenever it comes
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HaydosMang 6 days ago +1
Obviously it did.
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dub-fresh 6 days ago +1
Yeah I think the legacy is ruined. You can't build up a show like that and just totally drop the ball. The thing is the ending themes weren't bad, but they were incredibly rushed. Night king story arc resolving in like one episode was such a letdown. Daenerys breaking bad within the space of an episode is crazy. 
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DrTeethPhD 6 days ago +1
Oh yay. It's time for the weekly GoT legacy post. Yawn
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Major-Ferret-3692 6 days ago +3
I refuse to believe that these are real people making these. Its pure bots. Same post, same exact comments with the same narrative, same structure, same bullet points, not a fresh original thought. (whether you like or dont like the ending is irrelevant to my point)
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dnt1694 6 days ago +1
Yes.
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bad_apiarist 6 days ago +1
As creative products, the early seasons are magnificent. The later ones do not change that fact. But they *do* make it almost impossible to enjoy or want to go back and watch. It just hurts more that it makes you love these characters like Jon and Tyrion, knowing it's just going to reduce them all to flaming feces.
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QuintoBlanco 6 days ago +1
Yes. But to fair, the deck was stacked against the show. In my opinion the quality dropped of after season four, so the quality of the last season isn't the issue as far as I'm concerned. The problem is that so much of the show was set up that we needed a satisfying ending, and that was never going to happen in a single season designed to wrap everything up. I think the show became a victim of its own success, in hindsight the show should have dropped (even) more storylines from the books.
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spaceraingame 6 days ago +1
For me it did
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Catkatcatkatcatkat 6 days ago +1
For me it did. If anyone asks if they should watch it I actively tell them no
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timboslice420 6 days ago +1
Put it this way, it’s probably my favorite show of all time, but I can never imagine watching it again because of how it ends.
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redsyrus 6 days ago +1
It’s a real shame and I really do wish they’d had another go at it, which would have been a historic TV first in its own right. But I’ve still gone back recently to rewatch it with my partner who hadn’t seen it. I have warned her about the end. But it is still one hell of a ride we’re having.
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staedtler2018 6 days ago +1
I don't think it ruined its legacy, although it certainly would have a better legacy with a better ending. What actually ruins a show's legacy if it just sucks for a long period of time, its audience slowly dwindles into nothing, and people barely forget that it was ever good.
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keving87 6 days ago +1
I'm fine with Daenerys going crazy, but it had no legitimate build up. Yeah we saw bits of her being extreme but it was framed as her trying to overthrow the 'bad' people not losing her mind. That needed more than a couple episodes. The nephew/aunt thing was also bad, I don't know why GOT loved incest so much lol The Bran ending was ridiculous. That's more of the reason the show ruined itself. When the show had actual source material, it was great. Now the last season (and maybe the one before it?) ruined rewatchability for me.
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Chickenshit_outfit 6 days ago +1
Yes, 10 years building up for that and i have no interest in going back and watching
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Kimosabae 6 days ago +1
I no longer care about anything that happens in the universe or IP at large. At one point this was more than just entertainment for me -- it was inspiration. I mined a bunch of its elements for my own writing. I don't care how good the follow up shows might be, their connection to this work just taints everything with the reminder that proper handling of stories is exceedingly rare due to stakeholder meddling. If GRRM were to finish the books, I might change my mind -- but I know that will never happen.
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kinisonkhan 5 days ago +1
Yes. I heard of a good drama called Dark Skies, was about to start watching it until I saw it was co-produced by George RR Martin.
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HankSteakfist 3 days ago +1
Given how successful 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms' and 'House of the Dragon' have been, I wouldn't say it killed the ASOIAC franchise, but it definitely damaged the prestige of the original show.
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TerribleAntelope6134 6 days ago +2
Pretty much. It's impossible to talk about it as being a great show without the qualifier of the ending sucking.
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Virtuosoman23 6 days ago +1
It went from being discussed everywhere all the time to wiped from existence in one weekend. Absolutely nuts.
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Monotonegent 6 days ago +1
I feel like it isn't *quite* the pop-culture juggernaut it was when it aired. 
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Kind-Shallot3603 6 days ago +1
Yes. I can't even re-watch the series knowing the ending blows. Its all pointless
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Brilliant_Oil5261 6 days ago +1
Yes.
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Dedekanja 6 days ago +1
I never liked it anyway, honestly. it had some ok moments, but too much typical prestige drama c*** with smirking, eyebrows, conversations cut completely unnaturally for effect etc. Not to mention all the unnecessary sex stuff.
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Dangthe 6 days ago +1
YES. From one of the best things tv has ever seen to the shittiest holywood ending that undid 6 seasons of magic.
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Jabba_108 6 days ago
I agree
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Batel_Front 6 days ago +1
I find the downward spiral of The Walking Dead to be a greater disaster, they have undermined this series. Therefore, even though I find the ending of Game of Thrones bad, it disappoints me less.
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smash22 6 days ago +1
Alright I’ll go against the grain here. I think Game of Thrones is still the best show ever made, even with the rushed and weaker ending. I don’t think the ending is as horrible as everyone makes it out to be (LOST was much worse, IMO), and while I was disappointed by the final seasons, I do think George’s endings for the characters are all very true to the characters he set up. The problem is that the final part of some arcs were rushed or didn’t feel earned. I actually liked the ending they went with for Danaerys and there were so many clues to her leadership faults in the early seasons, but the final twist of her “madness” was way too sudden and rushed. If that had been spread over a couple of seasons it would have made way more sense. All of that being said, the seasons that really follow the books are awesome on all accounts. Acting, writing, costumes, set design, all of it. There is no other show that even comes close to the scope and scale of it.
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +1
> I don’t think the ending is as horrible as everyone makes it out to be (LOST was much worse, IMO) Lost was much worse? How? What's the problem with the ending?
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smash22 6 days ago +2
So much of LOST was establishing the mystery and lore around the island. There was a strong implication in the early seasons that there was this deep, intricate system in place that while somewhat fantastical, was also rooted in science and the laws of the universe. Ending with simple supernatural characters who represent light and dark (and their magic pool of water) was a profoundly unsatisfying conclusion to those mysteries - for me at least.
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +1
> There was a strong implication in the early seasons that there was this deep, intricate system in place that while somewhat fantastical, was also rooted in science and the laws of the universe. The show was supernatural from the beginning. There was a monster in the first episode, a miracle healing by episode 4. Dead people walking around. People with powers. Dreams and visions. People going to the afterlife and coming back. People talking to ghosts. A man that didn't age. Time travel. How is that rooted in science? >Ending with simple supernatural characters who represent light and dark (and their magic pool of water) was a profoundly unsatisfying conclusion to those mysteries What mysteries do you mean?
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smash22 6 days ago +2
Sure, agreed that there were supernatural components. But the monster for example - you don’t see it in the first episode, you just hear it and it sounds mechanical. It eventually is revealed as the smoke monster, but the lack of acknowledgement of the mechanical component makes that choice feel more random rather than interesting. Locke’s healing is supernatural. What is it about the island that caused him to heal? It felt like the show was leading up to something more interesting than “It was just magic” The dreams and visions were ambiguous. It wasn’t clear at the time how real they were. I liked the philosophical questions the show explored with science vs faith, but the complexities of the characters didn’t feel matched in the end by the complexity of the island. Matter of opinion I guess.
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +1
> But the monster for example - you don’t see it in the first episode, you just hear it and it sounds mechanical. It eventually is revealed as the smoke monster, but the lack of acknowledgement of the mechanical component makes that choice feel more random rather than interesting. But you saw that it was smoke by the end of season 1. How is that grounded in science? >Locke’s healing is supernatural. What is it about the island that caused him to heal? It felt like the show was leading up to something more interesting than “It was just magic” What could that even be? I'm legit curious what you expect. >The dreams and visions were ambiguous. It wasn’t clear at the time how real they were. What do you mean they were ambigious? How real they were? Locke had a dream/vision of bloody Boone and it led him to the Beechcraft where Boone eventually fell down and died. The show was clearly supernatural/fantasy since season 1 and you say that the ending is bad, because it's fantasy?
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smash22 6 days ago +2
The show introducing things like the polar bears, and then justifying their presence with the Dharma initiative sets up an expectation that there is a reason behind all the mystery. The creators at the time had claimed the show the show was rooted in science fiction, but yes it ended up being more fantasy. I enjoy fantasy too, this thread is ultimately about GoT - but I think it’s much more satisfying when all the world building feels more cohesive and interconnected vs a collection of random things which clearly only exist to further a specific character’s plot.
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +1
> The show introducing things like the polar bears, and then justifying their presence with the Dharma initiative sets up an expectation that there is a reason behind all the mystery. But polar bears are just polar bears... >The creators at the time had claimed the show the show was rooted in science fiction, but yes it ended up being more fantasy. They publicly talked since season 1 that they were interested in doing supernatural stuff. There even was an ABC 20/20 Special that aired during season where it was said that the island was magical. So really... what did you expect in regards to like the healing? I just don't get it. What else could it even be besides "magic."
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smash22 6 days ago +2
I didn’t have a specific explanation in mind for the healing, I think I was just hoping for it to have some kind of deeper tie into the greater mystery how the island worked beyond “it healed Locke because the island is magic”
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +1
But how does an island "work"? Like... I am so confused. What do you expect? What would be a deeper tie? What greater mystery? It's an island with supernatural properties. And the ending is bad, because... why? I can't understand how people can't just judge a show for what it is and not what it isn't. They told a story from beginning to end and gave it a proper conclusion. They revealed what it was about. There was a conflict and it was resolved. Characters got their sendoff...
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empires11 6 days ago +1
Yes. 
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Skyscreamers 6 days ago -1
Yes, it was worse then the series finale of Lost and that’s hard to match
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El_Cance_R 6 days ago +6
The series finale is of Lost is fine and I have yet to hear an argument against it that isn't "they were dead the whole time" (they weren't)
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kuhpunkt 6 days ago +1
Why? What's the problem with the Lost finale?
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adamcmorrison 6 days ago
Yes 100%
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tulkunking 6 days ago -3
Lol ruin its legacy? There are two massively popular spin off shows and a movie on the way. People still love game of thrones.
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heliostraveler 6 days ago
Yes.
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Dry-Cut1589 6 days ago
Yes. People used to talk about it a lot and now many don’t cares at all or want to rewatch.
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Driyen 6 days ago -1
No
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago -2
Not really. The spin offs pull great numbers. And if the books ever come out they’ll do great. And at some point when the books are out or HBO has access to all the notes they’ll remake it But it’s hard to watch the main show again but I don’t really rewatch any show
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LordXenu45 6 days ago +1
>But it’s hard to watch the main show again So.. it hurt its legacy then?
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TerribleAntelope6134 5 days ago +1
u/GoldenTriforceLink This guy also quoted you before you stealth edited your comment.
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GoldenTriforceLink 5 days ago
Just because you’re using alts doesn’t fools anyone. It’s weird. Why are you so I obsessed with me 💅
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TerribleAntelope6134 5 days ago +1
I just want you to admit what you did.
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GoldenTriforceLink 5 days ago
Bros out here wasting his weekend crying because he stopped reading half way thru my comment
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TerribleAntelope6134 5 days ago +1
You stealth edited it.
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GoldenTriforceLink 5 days ago +1
No it seems you’re having a mental break. Please try to ground yourself.
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TerribleAntelope6134 6 days ago +1
>But it’s hard to watch the main show again This is the sentence that truly answers the question.
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GoldenTriforceLink 6 days ago -1
No it doesn’t; and I don’t know why you cut off the second half of my sentence. They’re still making billions on the IP.
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TerribleAntelope6134 5 days ago
You said it yourself. It's hard to watch the main show again. Who says that about *The Sopranos* or *Breaking Bad*? You added that last bit as a stealth edit.
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GoldenTriforceLink 5 days ago
It’s weird you’re lying like that and just cutting out half my comment
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TerribleAntelope6134 5 days ago +1
Everybody can see you edited your comment. It says so right there.
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GoldenTriforceLink 5 days ago
Stop harassing me I’m not gonna go on a date with you. It’s cringe.
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TerribleAntelope6134 5 days ago +1
Just take the L.
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GoldenTriforceLink 5 days ago +1
I’m just not that into you
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9millibros 6 days ago -2
No. It's really hard to end a TV show, especially one that ran for eight seasons.. Even in the uneven last couple of seasons, they still had some spectacular episodes.
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TLAU5 6 days ago
I still rewatch the first \~5 seasons whenever I'm needing something on in the background. Nothing about the ending diminishes the viewing quality of the great seasons.
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stacecom 6 days ago
It completely killed my desire to rewatch the show. Even watching the early genius, my knowledge of what follows taints it.
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Smallest_Bubbles 6 days ago
The spring of 2019 was magical, at least in the college town I was in. All everyone was talking about was GoT. The hype died slowly mid-season after the mid battle of Winterfell and then completely after episode 5. I actually remember almost my entire college group going to a bar to watch episode 5. At the start everyone was buzzing and at the end the entire bar was almost silent, as if our football team had lost a match. Since then nobody ever brought up GoT in a convo except when saying how shit the ending was. I wish HBO could reunite the cast and reshoot a different final two seasons, or even final season.
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gracksturmkarb 6 days ago
The final season is rushed, for sure. But what exactly was “ruined” by it? Is everyone sad that the woman whose first instinct was to burn everything throughout the entire series finally burned everything? Khaleesi derangement syndrome? I loved her heel turn.
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