Beshear: Vance could be ‘more damaging than Trump’

His argument seems to be that Vance is conceited? That's it. In no world is he either more conceited that Trump, and I can't fathom any human being more damaging than Trump at this point with his death cult of followers

Vance is the man who decided to join team "America's Hitler." He's smarter than Trump and has absolutely no moral fiber whatsoever. Mark my words, he is absolutely, unequivocally, more dangerous than Trump.

Thiel’s puppet vs Trump? Hard to say which is worse. Hopefully we won’t find out.

Hes not wrong. Trump was chaos, but Vance is chaos with a coherent, radical ideology. Thats scarier.

Trump is Peter’s ticket inside and eventual scapegoat. JD is Peter’s handpicked and personally funded Manchurian Candidate.  Make no mistake, Trump is horrible, but if you don’t want to live in a surveillance state, you should probably be pretty scared of JD. Or more accurately the people who created (this version of) and installed JD. 

That would be a challenge.

Nobody likes Vance, though. He has the personality of wet toilet paper. He ain't got the juice to have a cult following behind him. Dude's just a useful tool for his owners to get what they want from Trump. 

I always assumed his role was mostly symbolic.

Trump is missing the function of parts of his brain. Let's stop claiming he is the mastermind behind all of these decisions. Vance is vile and should be feared.

The problem with negotiating with Trump is that Trump doesn't have enough knowledge to make a good deal, will just change the deal afterward negotations, and then not even keep his end of the deal when he feels like it. A complaint Iran has had with negotiating with Trump over Nuclear weapons is that there is no Nuclear expert on the American side to talk to. As a result, the American side doesn't understand what Iran is willing to exchange or concede, and what are red lines regarding nuclear materials. How can you negotiate with someone who doesn't know what they're negotiating about? Vietnam spent months negotiating with the trump administration, eventually agreeing on a 10% tariff, only when negotiations were over for Trump to announce a 20% tariff, double what was negotiated, a never before heard of pass-through tariff, and Vietnam's tariff was *higher* than countries who hadn't chosen to negotiate with Trump. Why negotiate if you get punished for it? There's a reason why after a big public announcement of his trade deals (often with surprised that the country never agreed to), nothing is ever done to move the trade deals further. How can you negotiate when the ending deal is different then the deal you agreed to? Even when the deals are agreed on and signed, Trump just ignores his end of the bargain. Look at the USMCA, which *TRUMP HIMSELF NEGOTIATED AND SIGNED!* Trump dumped the deal he himself made just because he felt like it. What was the point of making a deal then if Trump won't honor it? It seems like agreements with Trump just aren't worth the time or energy to make them.

That's not the message of hope I was counting on..

That is true. Vance is actually sane and would be ruthless in carrying out Project 2025 for his masters.

Vance isn't scrambling to ruin the world to keep himself out of jail. So he can be reasoned with since it won't be a zero sum situation.

Vance is no way near as ego centric as trump. I know this because he is trumps vp. A egomaniac would never go along with trump. See what happened with Elon musk at the end of doge.

Vance is not a complete moron so it's entirely possible he'll be more effective

Nobody is worse than Trump

Too bad The Hill didn't bother to flesh out this story. I'm sure Beshear isn't the only person who fears what a J D Vance presidency would do to our country.

Beshear might be perfect candidate to end MAGA. A rural centrist from a red state will go a long way with swing voters. I will vote blue no matter who, but I will vote Beshear in the primary.

Oh no definitely not. A crazy person is not scary, a crazy person that has 1/3 of Americans blindly supporting is scary. Vance might be worse than Trump, but Vance/Musk or any other MAGA stars have none of that blind support like Trump

Only in that he hides his stupidity better, but everyone seems to hate him including his base

He’s already there. Heritage foundation is already moving with disgusting speed. Thiel is already doing horseshit. “Could be” is nonsense. This isn’t about one member. Its all moving as one unit regardless of the figurehead. If anything trump is making their moves EASIER cause they just use him as a lightening rod and he doesn’t give a shit.

Beshear 2028!!!

I’d like to find for myself