We thought we fixed that in this patch too using [these suggestions](http://www.listnook.com/r/apple/comments/akmro/listnook_the_envelope_icon_in_safari_is_still/c0i2ks2). Your cache must be stale. Hit shift-refresh to flush your page cache and see if that doesn't make it better.
18
peasandcarrotsJan 21, 2010
+14
> You're cache must be stale
I don't want to be a grammar Nazi or anything but... DAS IST NICHT GUT
14
KeyserSosaJan 21, 2010
+18
Apologies. Quick typing, now fixed. I'll write "you're not your father" 100x on our whiteboard in penance.
18
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+10
Pics or it didn't happen.
10
jedbergJan 22, 2010
+6
I already erased it because I needed the whiteboard for something else. Sorry.
6
raldiJan 22, 2010
+8
You *must* be busy if you didn't even have time to photoshop up a fake.
8
jedbergJan 22, 2010
+3
You were there. You saw how busy I was, especially that last hour.
3
neweraccountJan 22, 2010
+3
I imagine running Listnook must be a rather thirsty business. Have you considered setting up a distillery and making moonshine?
3
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+2
I'd buy Listnook Rum. I'm just saying -- I'd buy it.
2
liquidpeleJan 21, 2010
+2
Wait... your username shows up as light-blue here... shouldn't it be red?
2
KeyserSosaJan 21, 2010
+3
No. The red is optional and basically to say "look at me! I'm speaking officially!", but without the need for exclamation points.
3
liquidpeleJan 22, 2010
+4
Ah... well I make myself red with greasemonkey so there :)
4
Fat_Dumb_AmericansJan 22, 2010
+2
I've added me as a friend.
I show up in red, and we get along quite well, except when I'm being a d***.
2
MozJan 22, 2010
+2
You make that sound so dirty.
2
gerundronautJan 21, 2010
+1
No joy. Still corrupted.
1
KeyserSosaJan 21, 2010
+3
You appear to be in the minority in this thread. What browser and OS? and if you go [here](http://www.listnook.com/static/mail.png) and [here](http://www.listnook.com/static/mailgray.png) and reload with every possible meta/alt/shift key, does it never look right?
3
gerundronautJan 21, 2010
+3
Hmm, shift-reloading didn't make it become uncorrupted, but this new reply from you gave me a proper orangered icon. After reading the message I get the proper gray icon. Hooray.
3
KeyserSosaJan 22, 2010
+10
Only one possible explanation then: magic.
10
taligentJan 21, 2010
+22
Awwww yeah.
It's now looking perfect in all it's PANTONE 16-1362 Vermillion Orange glory.
22
MercurialMadnessManJan 21, 2010
+5
When did we all get so PC? ;)
5
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+1
must be the mac haters ;)
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+4
Thanks! Now everything's looking perfect!
4
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+1
Oh hey, I'd forgotten that was even an issue until I saw this post, and now it's fixed! You guys rock!
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+2
This works.
2
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
Finnnnalllly
1
kn0whereJan 22, 2010
+1
I remember in some browsers under certain zooms, the envelope would start to tile vertically by 1 pixel, appearing to have feet.
1
PikaKyriJan 22, 2010
+1
The sad thing is I read "glitchy" as "glittery" and thought it would amusing and wondered why anyone would try to fix that.
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
and Chrome!
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+8
All these small updates as of late! How quickly can you push changes from source control to the production servers?
I've been looking forward to an API update for checking if there's new mail. Very cool.
8
ketralnisJan 21, 2010
+16
Once the code is written, it's just a minute or so to push the code live
16
smackfuJan 22, 2010
+5
Testing is silly!
5
ketralnisJan 22, 2010
+2
That's included in "code is written"
2
KeyserSosaJan 21, 2010
+7
Once we get the bugs worked out of this update, I think we'll put up another public revision.
7
kleinbl00Jan 21, 2010
+3
Distinguish it as an admin and distinguish it as a mod so that you become KeyserSosa[SAM].
3
KeyserSosaJan 21, 2010
+17
So what you're saying is I'm not your friend. :(
17
kleinbl00Jan 21, 2010
+6
Hey, man. **You're** the guy who hasn't come up with a way for us to tell who has friended us. Which means I only friend people who have told me they have friended me because otherwise, I never know. Have you ever told me you've friended me? Well there you go.
*If only someone could come up with a better system!!!*
6
jedbergJan 21, 2010
+22
It's that way on purpose. We don't want friendship to be a contest.
22
kleinbl00Jan 21, 2010
+10
How 'bout [everything else?](http://www.listnook.com/r/bestof2009)
10
jedbergJan 21, 2010
+20
Yes yes, we've been over this. The reason we don't want friends being a contest is because we want to avoid the Digg problem where you can't get on the front page unless you have a lot of friends.
The friends feature is just there to help you find your friends in comment threads and find their links. It is not meant to be a social networking feature or anything like that.
So, to be clear, there will never be a feature to find out who friended you.
20
romcabreraJan 22, 2010
+3
It would be cool to have a means (comment field?) to know *WHY* I friended someone. I have about ~10 friends, but I don't remember who is the one I friended because he gifted my Torchlight, who is the one I friended because lives on my country, who is the one I friended because likes the same music I like... and so on.
3
BrettWilcoxJan 22, 2010
+6
igiftedyoutorchlight
6
raldiJan 22, 2010
+2
> who is the one I friended because lives *on* my country
Is that anything like America's Hat?
2
kleinbl00Jan 21, 2010
+3
And I totally get that. I'm totally down with that. To be honest, I've never had a Digg account nor do I plan on it; I really don't understand how things work over there. I just want you to understand, for once and for all, that what I'm after has nothing to do with votes.
3
mtnkodiakJan 22, 2010
+2
> I just want you to understand, for once and for all, that what I'm after has nothing to do with votes.
What *you're* after, sure. But if they deliver that feature, there is a high probability that it will be abused for votes. Bad apples, an' stuff...
2
willis77Jan 22, 2010
+1
> It is not meant to be a social networking feature or anything like that.
While the whole world is running towards "leveraging social networking", I commend you guys for ignoring the stampede. The last thing Listnook needs is a step in the direction of Twitter.
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
Why not? Can't this be included without it having any weight as to the persons submissions? Maybe I'm missing the point *mumble mumble - stupid sinus infection - mumble mumble*
1
BaukelienJan 21, 2010
+1
Maybe make this more clearly in help? I think most new user do not realize this. I only found out after 6 months on listnook that it worked that way.
1
sk3tchJan 21, 2010
+1
Please keep it that way, we don't need a friends system like Digg :)
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
Reciprocation is a contest?
1
MercurialMadnessManJan 21, 2010
You're my best friend of 2009
0
esotericguyJan 22, 2010
+2
[You're all my bestest friends](http://i.imgur.com/PXm6U.png)
> You're the guy who hasn't come up with a way for us to tell who has friended us.
To be fair, I'm also a guy who hasn't come up with said way. Nor have you, former President Bush, or J.J. Abrams.
5
esotericguyJan 22, 2010
+1
>I only friend people who have told me they have friended me because otherwise, I never know.
see here: http://i.imgur.com/PXm6U.pngkleinbl00.
1
Capitol62Jan 21, 2010
+1
I friended you, kleinbl00.
1
kleinbl00Jan 22, 2010
+1
And you magically turned orange!
1
hennellJan 21, 2010
+2
I knew you listnook guys were pretty smart; but messaging each other in Latin?
*Aye Mica bra*
2
KeyserSosaJan 21, 2010
+2
Sorry to destroy your image of us. [lorem ipsum](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum)
2
ShaunwardJan 21, 2010
+2
Red herring. Listnook admins communicate in *Mayan*. Such correspondence will never see the light of day, however.
2
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+127
I got excited when I saw the orangered envelope...
then I realized it wasn't a message for me. I must have some kind of psychological conditioning associated with these envelopes now.
EDIT: YAY! So many envelopes!
127
lennortJan 21, 2010
+16
I'm pretty sure my eyes became twice their normal size when I saw that. Please stop toying with my emotions, listnook overlords.
16
wrongnumberJan 21, 2010
+65
Pavlov's envelope if you will.
65
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+12
Quit it, you're making my mouth water!
12
jmcqk6Jan 21, 2010
+6
Do it again!
6
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+10
Oh yeah, that's the stuff.
10
jerstud56Jan 21, 2010
+4
Well the best stuff on earth just got better.
4
vishalrixJan 21, 2010
+8
Here is a "real" Orangered envelope.
8
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+3
Define "real".
3
Norfolk_and_chanceJan 22, 2010
+2
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain
2
vishalrixJan 24, 2010
+1
_shouts_ The philosophy Nazi's are here
( we should have more of this )
Reality is nothing but the consensual picture of the world. In this case real orangered is the consensual meaning of orangered, which means that when I replied, he got a orangered.
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+7
Here's one.
7
govatentJan 21, 2010
+3
i thought i was the only one
3
TripolieJan 22, 2010
+2
Oh no, another orange envelope is on the way!
2
PlunDarJan 22, 2010
+1
I love orangered so much I painted my home office in it. Here is a little orangered for you. I hope it brightens your day.
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
So many people came here with those expectations, here's an orangered envelope and an upvote
1
theduckchaserJan 22, 2010
+1
Me too, and I figured it must be a really important message this time
1
jedbergJan 21, 2010
+4
You must.
4
kleinbl00Jan 21, 2010
I've actually learned to fear them. A huge one like that? In the wrong place? It gave me the willies.
0
kleinbl00Jan 21, 2010
+14
...which now means that when people write back to me after a month I have half a chance to know what the hell they're talking about! yay!
14
SpoggerificJan 21, 2010
+7
Someone give me a (second) orangered so I can test this out!
7
lennortJan 21, 2010
+8
You greedy b******- nobody help this guy out! We'll show him!
Ah, right.
8
tandembanditJan 21, 2010
+2
Test what out?
2
jedbergJan 21, 2010
+1
Bing!
1
woo_hooJan 21, 2010
+8
And now Spoggerific can edit his comment to read:
"Can one of the admins tell me what the new default search will be?"
8
verylowsodiumJan 22, 2010
+1
Bing!
1
romcabreraJan 22, 2010
+2
My heart is broken! When I read "CONVERSATIONS", I was so excited!! I thought you were talking about the long time request about telling us when a new message is posted in a conversation thread we began :-( !!
What about creating a tab for "Conversations in Comments Pages", where I can see all the threads I began which have new comments??
2
HardwareLustJan 21, 2010
+4
listnook just keeps getting better every day.
Thanks guys!
EDIT: And what I mean when I say 'listnook' is getting better, I mean the functionality of the site. No implication as to the quality of listnook's readership was intended or implied.
4
woo_hooJan 21, 2010
+3
> (not like I don't think you'd be providing them anyway).
Who? Us? Never!
3
XiolJan 21, 2010
+2
> So, we added a "has_mail" attr to /user/username/about.json which will return true if you have mail and are logged in as that user.
Now I've got no reason to not code up a listnook mail checker for Gnome (like GMail Notifier).
2
pivalJan 21, 2010
+2
Oh man I saw this big orange envelope and I think deep inside I thought that if I clicked it, one even bigger would appear. Oh disappointment.
Oh wait, listnook update? That's cool too.
2
sizzlerJan 22, 2010
+2
http://imgur.com/89sy2
I have gained something today, however if I click it, there is no joy...
PLUS I like how your sentence now comes out.
2
pivalJan 22, 2010
+1
here, have some joy.
1
sizzlerJan 22, 2010
+1
happyness is orange!
1
Swiss_Cheese9797Jan 21, 2010
+2
Whenever I see an op announcement, I like to pretend they ended the headline by shouting "I AM JOR EL!"
2
raldiJan 22, 2010
+1
We usually begin by shouting through a megaphone: "CITIZENS OF LISTNOOK!"
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+4
[I still think we need a tag for the non-native english speaking people so we don't get flammed each time we post a comment.](http://www.listnook.com/r/listnook.com/comments/asj0x/i_was_wondering_if_we_could_have_a_small_tag_for/) (and I'm not sure about the grammar).
4
codemacJan 21, 2010
+15
I think it should be the other way around. If you are a native speaker of English you get a "f*** me" tag, that tells everyone to harass you endlessly about your grammar.
[f*** me]
15
woo_hooJan 21, 2010
+8
There was really no need for a comma in that sentence.
8
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+2
> There was really no need, for a comma in that sentence.
FTFY
2
LukanJan 22, 2010
+1
I think it should be somewhere in the middle. If you are on this website you get a "f*** me" tag that tells everyone to harass you endlessly about your grammar.
[f*** me]
1
count757Jan 22, 2010
+2
If I was posting on a non-English site, I'd want my grammar corrected mercilessly - how else would you learn to write poorly, like an American?!
2
TerrasqueJan 22, 2010
+1
There is no need for this. Downvote users who treat people like this. If someone is going to be an a****** to you, a tag on your name will not stop them. I am not trying to insult your idea, but I think that the solution to people flaming should be discouraging the flamer's behavior, not trying to change the flamed.
1
devoluteJan 21, 2010
+2
I think that's a good idea, but as for getting 'flammed', isn't that covered in the reddiquette guide? Y'know, something like "don't be a d***"?
2
wanderingcynicJan 22, 2010
+1
Right, well...
On that note, some way to remind/encourage everyone to *read* the reddiquette, to ensure that the disregard is at least willful?
1
devoluteJan 22, 2010
+1
I try my hardest!
1
sepponearthJan 21, 2010
+1
Interesting idea, but how many people would put a tag on their name just to do it? Perhaps if someone thinks they may not be understood, they could "tag" their message with [NNE] or something.
1
romcabreraJan 22, 2010
> flamed
FTFY
0
tendonutJan 21, 2010
+1
Am I stupid or is there still no "Context" button for your own comments, only responses to your comments? Sometimes, I'd like to re-look at the comment context for a comment I left days earlier and if no one has responded to them, the only way I can usually get back is to dig for the story again and clicking "comments". You can't even get to the main comment page of the post unless it was a self.listnook post since clicking the post title just takes you to the linked URL.
Brilliant!
There's a person I've been having a conversation with for 5 months, this will make things a bit easier, I think.
Although it renders the Greasemonkey script I made to only show his messages obsolete.
**Edit: Some comments**
1. It's annoying to have the newest message at the bottom.
2. As I said, it's been been five months. It looks like only 1 months worth of messages have been "grouped" together. All the other messages are on their own.
1
OhMyGodYouAreAGirlJan 22, 2010
!
0
redtabooJan 21, 2010
+1
This is awesome! I checked out a conversation I've been having and it sure makes it easier to follow, Thank you!
I have a small suggestion ... Hey! You asked! :D
Could the subject be clickable as a permalink? It just makes more sense in my mind to click that instead of looking below the message for a permalink button.
.... I'd also love a folder for all conversations with a user, but I'll save that for another day. ;)
1
Dax420Jan 21, 2010
+1
I've noticed lately that hitting http://www.listnook.com/message/inbox/ directly without going to listnook.com first and clicking the orangered can sometimes cause a weird page to come up that only shows message replies even though you have "all" highlighted in red. Refreshing fixes it.
This was prior to "round 2" so you might have fixed it already.
1
iwishiwasamemeJan 21, 2010
+3
This would be useful if i actually had any friends on listnook to talk to.
3
drowsapJan 21, 2010
+1
yes!! There is a "show parent" link for each reply in your inbox. I don't know how many times I yelled out loud for this functionality. Although I really wish it would take you to the actual comment instead of in a popup box, I want to be able to see the comment in context of the rest of its children and also its karma.
1
jedbergJan 21, 2010
+2
Click the context button...
2
swaroopbJan 22, 2010
+1
Requested feature: If someone saw your comment of a year ago, and upvoted it, the upvote would show in your comment karma, but you would have to go through reams of your old comments to which one got the upvote. A feature to fix this?
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+1
Keyser Soza is back, only this time he sends people a big red envelope which contains a blank page with a picture of an alien and the word listnook on it. Keyser Soza is back, I got to get in a cabin where there are no deliveries!!!
1
Bradley40Jan 21, 2010
+2
Conversations is just one of those topics that is of greatest importance, and that demands expert intervention regarding
2
PoetryBotJan 21, 2010
KeyserSosa from blog.listnook brings
New updates to our messaging
Conversations abound
Unread can be found
I say we make Sosa our king!
0
TiomaidhJan 21, 2010
+1
The meter's a bit off in the first two lines...
1
raldiJan 22, 2010
+4
How's this?
I just heard from a listnook guy
'bout how now in my messages I
can just see "unread"
or view as a thread
Plus improvements to the API
4
TiomaidhJan 22, 2010
+1
That's well done, good sir.
1
PoetryBotJan 22, 2010
+1
Well played raldi, an upvote for you!
1
FF5700Jan 21, 2010
+1
Hello,
Would just like to comment that the correct hexadecimal value for the "OrangeRed" envelope is: FF5700
This is an impostor "OrangeRed" envelope. It's hexadecimal value is: FF4A00
That is all.
1
FiL-dUbzJan 22, 2010
+1
"There's no coke! You heard me you dumb punk I said there's no coke! I've been in every fuckin' ship, I've been in every fuckin' room... there's nothing!"
Your name invoked this out of me...
1
ajehalsJan 21, 2010
+2
What about imap access...
2
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
Can you fix the viewing of my old comments on the iphone app please? Sometimes I like to look back and see how a discussion has gone and end up running safari to do that.
1
UnlegendJan 22, 2010
+1
Thank you! I was just thinking yesterday that it would be nice to have threaded conversations, but I had no idea you guys were working on it.
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+1
[deleted]
1
gerundronautJan 21, 2010
+1
Clicking the "context" link for one of the messages in my inbox breaks listnook. (The one about Dr. King, if you're snoopin')
1
swedeJan 22, 2010
+1
Yeah, but did you fix the notification icon in safari for mac? A user already submitted sample code that would fix it.
1
swedeJan 22, 2010
+1
Rather than editing I should note that I checked when I had first posted this and there was still a problem. Now that I check back later in the day, it looks like it is working finally. Thanks listnook!
1
NoMoreNicksLeftJan 22, 2010
+1
I don't suppose you could lengthen the username limit past 20 chars, or allow unicode, could you?
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
Excellent! Now all we need is an "unsee" tab and the feature set will be complete.
1
cagsmithJan 21, 2010
+1
And yet we still don't have a search function which works adequately :(
Sorry, don't mean to be a b****, these updates are awesome, thanks a lot, really!
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
suggestion:
when adding shit, stop breaking shit.
comment listing order is all jabber-fucked for me no matter what order i choose. for the record...
1
raldiJan 22, 2010
+1
If we never rolled anything out until we were 100% certain it wouldn't break anything, we'd never roll anything out.
I think it's better to take the chance of temporarily breaking things, and fix them quickly, than to dramatically slow down our development process.
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+2
>If we never rolled anything out until we were 100% certain it wouldn't break anything, we'd never roll anything out.
I thought betas and RCs were for this purpose?
2
Fat_Dumb_AmericansJan 22, 2010
+1
F*** it, they do it live.
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
i can certainly appreciate that.
as far as my comment above: in all honesty, i personally don't care. i thought i would bring that lil bit up as i've seen it mentioned at least a half dozen times randomly. so consider it a snide-FYI. ;^)
either way, keep up the good work!
1
abendsJan 22, 2010
+1
why are *cicero* and *vergil* always the first ones to test the new features?
1
KoolitalianoJan 22, 2010
+1
No update for iphone app?? I usually don't have time to go on my computer
1
fivesevenfiveJan 21, 2010
+1
Yea for the updates!
I just peed a little bit
I must go change now
1
perezidenttJan 22, 2010
+1
The huge envelope reminds me of the big world in Super Mario Bros.
1
redorodeoJan 22, 2010
+1
Is there an expand all option or a greasemonkey script for that?
1
Wo1keJan 22, 2010
+1
I miss the days when new messages were highlighted in orange.
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
[deleted]
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
umm... I had to say this but you forgot the first two rules of fight^H^H^H^H^H whalebait
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+1
I sure hope you are working on the 'unsee' tab.
1
sketchcastJan 21, 2010
+1
Can you please add a 'block user' option?
1
jedbergJan 21, 2010
+1
No. We need you to downvote those people for the good of everyone else. If someone is harassing you via private message, [let us know](http://www.listnook.com/message/compose/?to=hueypriest)
1
gerundronautJan 21, 2010
+1
Is there a way to know if a reported user/comment ended up being banned/removed -- or better yet "read without action"? I have no idea if the reporting I've done has done anything and it kind of feels like sending traffic in to a black hole.
1
jedbergJan 22, 2010
+1
Not really. I can assure you though that your reports are not going to a black hole. :)
1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
And theres still no "ban user" feature?
1
JakkersJan 21, 2010
+1
Neat change, thanks for the good work.
1
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
+1
Really? Quick! someone orangered me!
1
ConflagJan 21, 2010
+2
No.
2
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+2
Pls, ralph?
2
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
+1
wow never seen the orange envelope.
1
chilledfreakJan 22, 2010
Have to say, not a feature I'm interested in at all.
Did listnook poll its users for this?
0
fallenangel42Jan 22, 2010
+2
It's something that's been suggested several times in /r/IdeasForTheAdmins I think, and has always received a positive response overall when someone suggests it.
At least if you *don't* want to use it, you can just use the main messages page as normal; it's an addition rather than a change.
2
turkourjurbsJan 22, 2010
"And, for those who don't like the change, no worry: new preferences"
Shit!!! How am I supposed to moan and b**** like an immature child if you go around compensating for everything?!
0
arcreaveJan 21, 2010
+1
yaay
i think
1
anonymoos3Jan 22, 2010
I'm so conflicted.. I don't like the thumbnails, but I loved the enormous orangered I saw before logging in. F***. Thumbnails enabled.
0
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
can you install an "unremember" function to my brain so i can read the same listnooks over and over again?
0
jooesJan 22, 2010
It's about time, if you ask me. Who thought not being able to see your own messages was a good idea?
0
bbibberJan 22, 2010
-1
Great. When will you make a decent search option for listnook?
-1
[deleted]Jan 22, 2010
273 down votes? Who's dissin' the Envelope?
0
[deleted]Jan 21, 2010
-2
[deleted]
-2
Fat_Dumb_AmericansJan 22, 2010
+1
No need now that we have tags.
You can find out how to enable tagging by using search.
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