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dracovich Dec 9, 2009 +23

Any plans to accept foreign cards in the future (and subsequently geo-targeting ads) ?

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KeyserSosa Dec 9, 2009 +25

We're working with our lawyers on the foreign cards (since I'm told there are countries besides the US... ;). Geo-targetting is a little trickier. Our planned next version will probably include per-listnook advertising (though figuring out how to do the weighing properly is proving to be subtle).

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dracovich Dec 9, 2009 +5

Cool :) hope you announce when (if) geo-targeting is possible.

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KeyserSosa Dec 9, 2009

We will. And we expect at least as warm a welcome as this post. ;)

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sunshine-x Dec 10, 2009 +2

just allow paypal payments, problem solved.

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KeyserSosa Dec 10, 2009 -2

[reply here](http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/acvfx/bloglistnook_self_serve_advertising_on_listnook_is/c0gyp1v?context=1)

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HenkPoley Dec 9, 2009 +38

Countries? Where exactly? http://imgur.com/6Jx9W.jpg

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +9

I thought that was funny at first, but then I realized it is shockingly close to my mental reference. I know nothing about the world.

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HenkPoley Dec 9, 2009 +27

In any case, I live in pussies. Could be worse.

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oddsouls Dec 10, 2009 +8

Yeah, you could live in Kangaroos, like me.

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beltenebros Dec 10, 2009 +13

or in uninhabited, like me. wait a minute ...

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +6

Well at least you guys are even on the map. Where's South Africa??!

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lurkerr Dec 10, 2009 +3

good point...

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s0mething Dec 10, 2009 +6

Gotta love how they totally left Africa out of the map... guess the artist forgot about the Nigerian Prince that still owes me $2.5m ... Maybe his Western Union didn't really get that $1000 like he said... I'll try again tomorrow.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +2

If it makes you feel any better that's how the picture of the globe has been sold to you since childhood.

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Skuld Dec 9, 2009 +12

Totally unrealistic. Why isn't America in the middle of the map? :P

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Moz Dec 10, 2009 +2

I noticed how there's no Africa.

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nextofpumpkin Dec 9, 2009 +1

Can I put in a feature request for Amazon Payments support? I try and avoid PayPal...

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KeyserSosa Dec 9, 2009 -1

> I try and avoid PayPal... So do we. We do credit card processing with Authorize.net, and probably won't be adding paypal any time soon.

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sunshine-x Dec 10, 2009 +1

In choosing Authorize.net, did you forget the rather significant remainder of the world outside the US who might want to pay you? Seriously, excluding your international readers from participating and posting advertisements is a bit of a d*** move.

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KeyserSosa Dec 10, 2009 +1

It isn't a problem with authorize.net, as they are perfectly happy to processess non-US credit cards. It is a problem with our lawyers making sure that our respective asses are covered outside the US by our current ToS as as well as inside. We don't like it any more than you do.

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sunshine-x Dec 10, 2009 +2

Well at least you're working to correct it!! Thanks. So frequently online communities make wrong assumptions about their userbase and the quantity and quality of contributions made by members *outside* the USA.

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ilkkah Dec 10, 2009 +1

Aren't disputes resolved in US jurisdiction in those cases?

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smors Dec 10, 2009 +1

Is is probably ultimately up to any given court to decide wether they have jurisdiction. However, should I decide to sue in a danish court, I might have trouble collecting on any judgement.

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KeyserSosa Dec 10, 2009 -2

Listnook is based in California, but Conde Nast does business internationally as well, and thus could fall under non-US jurisdiction. Basically we could be sued outside the US via those sorts of ties (hence the extra ass covering).

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benologist Dec 9, 2009 +5

And PayPal?

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bobbothegrayson Dec 9, 2009 +1

Will the ads in specific sublistnooks be given a cushion/raise due to smaller/larger amounts of traffic? i.e if I'm posting in WATMM will it be less expensive that AskListnook, or will it still be the same bidding system beginning at 20?

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xtom Dec 10, 2009 +1

Any idea when that second version comes out? I'd really like to give this a try, but can't until there's *some* kind of geo-targetting. Turns out you guys aren't the only ones with trouble processing credit cards internationally ;-)

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callum_cglp Mar 23, 2010 +1

Couldn't find information on this elsewhere, but have you guys opened up the self-serve ads for Canadian credit cards?

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +1

Please do geo-targetting. I'm not an advertiser, but I don't live in the US and US only ads are extremely annoying.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +1

I use a prepaid card for these things, but it's only an option if you need it on a regular basis like I do. I have a card from Payoneer that I load from my own credit card. The fees are 3.5% of each loaded amount and a monthly fee of $3 for the card.

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shaunc Dec 9, 2009 +7

Wonder how long it will be before the Digg folks start buying ads...

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KeyserSosa Dec 9, 2009 +38

If that ever happens, we'll laugh all the way to the bank. :)

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actionscripted Dec 9, 2009 +17

I'd suggest making the deposit and then laughing to avoid drawing attention and possible thieves.

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egonSchiele Dec 9, 2009 +7

He said laughing *all the way to the bank* not *in the bank*. I imagine the bus driver will be freaked out though.

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FlyingBishop Dec 9, 2009 +4

Wow. Listnook really hates advertising. edit: this blog post was at -5 when I posted this.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +20

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dracovich Dec 9, 2009 +25

as long as they aren't obtrusive i have no problem with ads.

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KeyserSosa Dec 9, 2009 +9

with the sponsored links, we're trying our hardest not to be.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +1

favicon.ico eats up bandwidth

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KeyserSosa Dec 9, 2009 +3

Even when the announcement is that we're allowing listnook to advertise to listnook... Seems like a natural addition to us.

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raldi Dec 9, 2009 +35

Secret tip: There's going to be a spike of ads in the first few days, so if you want a smaller group to compete against, pick a date (or date range) next week or later.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +5

Top Secret tip: There's going to be a spike of ads in the first week.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +30

Ultra Secret tip: There's going to be a spike of ads in the second week, because of all the people who thought they'd be clever and skip the first week

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ixid Dec 10, 2009 +6

Ultimate Secret tip: The third week will be fine because people who think this far ahead will have forgotten.

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Etab Dec 10, 2009 +6

TURBO Secret tip: If you put up an ad while the service is still new, you'll catch readers before "ad blindness" sets in.

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jaggederest Dec 10, 2009 +4

lim_(x->infinity) 1/x = 0

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 -5

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hueypriest Dec 9, 2009 +7

not true. the impressions are variable based on the other bidders.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +17

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +6

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ChunkyLaFunga Dec 10, 2009 +1

Very different, it allows them to show up on the front page occasionally instead of for 12 hours straight.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +1

Yes, but this way Report the Spammers won't be as pissed at you. Well, they probably will be, but can't really do anything.

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RedditCommentAccount Dec 9, 2009 +38

> If we have anything at listnook, it's strong opinions... Yep.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +113

You're totally wrong and obviously an idiot.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +3

Excuse me sir, but I am not an idiot. I don't know why you'd even accuse me of such things.

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ohashi Dec 10, 2009 +1

Because it's the interwebs.

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cisatwork Dec 9, 2009 -1

I have strong opinions. I can do 100 comments on any hot button issue.

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FiP Dec 10, 2009 -4

and memes !!

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SnowdensOfYesteryear Dec 10, 2009 +2

And my Axe.

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parl Dec 9, 2009 +19

I have been downvoting and reporting commercial ads in other listnook areas, if they appear on my what's new pages. I'll see if blog.listnook is there and if it is, I'll not downvote and report the posts there. I would encourage others to downvote and report commercial ads in other listnook areas as well, as the folks are trying to get an ad for free when they should be paying for it.

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znine Dec 10, 2009 +6

I would say that we should judge commercial links on their merit not downvote them simply for being commercial. Pretty much all the sites on listnook are making money from the traffic anyhow.

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BiggerBalls Dec 10, 2009 +2

Can I have some money?

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +3

I'm using opera - and I'm kind of curious why ads are being blocked for me - these are my filters *ventivmedia.com/* *media.baventures.com/* *yieldmanager* *isohunt/a/* */iads/* */pagead/* *2mdn.net* I generally only block ads if they're annoying me...so I doubt I would have blocked listnooks intentionally.

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maritz Dec 9, 2009 +6

There have been annoying flash animated ads on listnook before. Which I all blocked. The only common url I can see is *.2mdn.net*. So that's probably it. :)

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MattProspect19 Dec 9, 2009 +10

I am signing up right now. Allowing users to comment on ads is the best idea ever. Feedback is one thing, feedback from listnook users is a whole 'nother cup of tea. Thanks guys!

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piratebroadcast Dec 9, 2009 +5

I ran an ad here a few weeks ago( Got a beta invite) and I disable coments, specifically because I have been a very active Listnookor for over a year now, and I know how we are. We pick anything apart and leave snarky and sarcastic comments until there is nothing left. Downvote away but its true... For regular posts thats fine, but for MY ad Im leaving comments disabled so a user can make his own decision and not be poisoned by the hive mind.

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MattProspect19 Dec 10, 2009 +5

That's an interesting point. Did you initially have comments enabled and turned them off after getting negative comments? Or was it a "not gonna risk it" kind of thing?

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piratebroadcast Dec 10, 2009 +4

Not Gunna Risk it kind of thing

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elemenohpee Dec 10, 2009 +2

Yeah, who knows what people would be capable of if they got together and shared information. It wouldn't be good for business in any case.

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BiggerBalls Dec 10, 2009 +1

>I'm

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Fat_Dumb_Americans Dec 9, 2009 +2

Few people are mentioning the worth of that feedback. If anyone on the web has an opinion on everything then it's a listnookor.

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jeba Dec 9, 2009 +2

If they're who you're marketing to, aren't they exactly who you want feedback from?

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Fat_Dumb_Americans Dec 10, 2009 +1

Indeed, and I'm not suggesting that being opinionated is a negative trait.

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jeba Dec 10, 2009

Ah, I interpreted your first sentence as critical of the value of Listnookors' feedback.

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VicinSea Dec 9, 2009 +3

I never see those blue band submissions. I only know they exist because I have seen them when viewing listnook from a friend's p/c. How do I turn them back on?

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nirreskeya Dec 9, 2009 +2

Will the code that supports this be on the public code.listnook.com, or will it be like the anti-cheating code?

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cos Dec 10, 2009 +1

The post seems to imply that these are for the front page only, in the top s*** that sometimes has a new post and sometimes has a sponsored link. I would use this if I could focus an ad to appear only for people who subscribe to a sublistnook of my choice, though even better would be the ability to place an ad when someone is viewing that sublistnook or a submission's discussion on that sublistnook.

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swimmingbird Dec 9, 2009 +2

This is pretty cool, the bidding is interesting. A cool future option might be to target specific listnooks, such as programming.

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gaso Dec 9, 2009 -1

Minimum is $20 per day? I ran an advertising campaign for my favorite local band (shh don't tell em) at facebook that cost me $13 and got 56,000 impressions to people who live within 50 miles of the show. Only 13 clickthroughs, but hell...I just wanted to get them some exposure. Thank you for being friendly to the little guy, Listnook :(

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raldi Dec 9, 2009 +22

Facebook has about 1000 employees. We have 4.5. As we grow, we'll support more things. Right now, we're doing the best we can with what we've got.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +11

> We have 4.5. Really short people are people too...

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rapebot Dec 9, 2009 +4

I bet [Jedberg](http://static.2mdn.net/2233165/holiday-8bit-deck-geek.jpg) is their .5. Do you see how Santa dwarfs him?

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +3

Don't forget about big brother Condé Nast

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znine Dec 9, 2009

56,000 impressions on Facebook is almost nothing. The vast majority of Facebook traffic is busy stalking and doesn't even look at the ads.

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gaso Dec 9, 2009 +7

You're kidding right? I live in the middle of f****** nowhere. 56,000 impressions on people 18-60 living within 50 miles of here is tremendous. And it cost $13.

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znine Dec 9, 2009 +3

I'm not discounting the value of Facebook for local ads. My point was it was probably a very small fraction that even read the ad. 0.5% CTR is pretty good for Facebook. Do you think your ad was so bad that only 0.023% of people bothered to click?

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gaso Dec 9, 2009 +5

It was aimed at a very very small fraction of people, those with nothing going on a specific night who like to go to bars to see live music within 50 miles of the town the bar was in. I'm very pleased with the number of people who potentially could have at least glanced at the ad considering how focused this was on those people were targeted, and fairly pleased with the number of people who clicked through for more information. The owner of the bar and the band were pleased with the number of people who were at the bar. I drank a lot of alcohol and danced with friends at my favorite local watering hole listening to my favorite local band. Afterwards, I had friends who when questioned mentioned seeing the ad (who I then grilled about "well why didn't you come out" heh). So I'd say yes, it was a very good value for me, even though by internet metrics the results are intangible: I got their name out there to their target audience. Your standards are your standards: it is "almost nothing", nobody read it, and even less than nobody clicked through ;)

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znine Dec 10, 2009 +1

Sounds like it was fun. One way you can measure campaigns like this is to have a coupon like "mention FIZZLEDICKS and get a free drink" or just ask around. If it was as targeted as you say, you should have been able to get much higher CTR. Of course if there were only a few thousands people you were targeting that doesn't really hold true and 56k is a lot :) Additionally, I didn't consider that if your whole message is in the ad (eg. "X band is playing at Y bar on Z-day") people in a small area would already know where this place is and not need to click to get more info. In that case, the impressions may have been more valuable then I originally thought. That said, next time you can probably get 10 times the clicks with the same impressions if you try several ad copies. Images are probably the most important part of the ad copy for Facebook. Anyway, what I originally was getting at by saying "almost nothing" was that it's too small of sample to make a proper comparison.

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maukka Dec 10, 2009 +1

What an earth is that site the first image links to? Seems to have the same content word for word than a bunch of other sites on the net.

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technologyjournalist Dec 10, 2009 +1

"Sorry, for legal reasons we are currently only accepting US credit cards." That eliminates (some) Canadian business... eh?

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +1

Will you be releasing a formal media kit with more detailed stats?

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phragg Dec 10, 2009 +1

How long do ads stay up for?

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beltenebros Dec 10, 2009 +1

only U.S. credit cards? gah ...

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009

Looks like Saydrah is going to be very busy now with the "self serve advertising"

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 -11

I'm a full time internet advertiser but since all of you are whining d***** bags about anyone trying to monetize *anything* on the internet in any way that does not meet with your strict standards of who knows the f*** what, I'll happily spend my money elsewhere. Lemme know when someone turns a buck advertising to these fucktards.

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egonSchiele Dec 9, 2009 +8

Oh I see, is this sort of like when guys insult girls a lot when they want to ask them on a date?

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 -6

No one's asking your hurting ass for anything.

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Neuraxis Dec 9, 2009 +5

I think you need a new PR campaign.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 -5

I think you need to stick your head in a preheated oven.

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Neuraxis Dec 9, 2009

It's actually filled with stuffed bell peppers right now. You're more than welcome to join my gf and I for a nice dinner though.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 -3

No one cares what your fat ass girlfriend is stuffing down her pie hole for dinner.

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xtom Dec 10, 2009 +2

I do the same thing as you, but there *are* things listnook won't breathe fire upon. Use your imagination and step away from the Acai. But of course, there's no country-level targeting that I saw, so I can't run here.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 -4

I don't do Acai, I do other shit.

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 +1

Adblock + noscript = lolads.

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robinson1 Dec 10, 2009

Nice idea of sharing link, thanks, it will really be useful http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2041202

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sunshine-x Dec 10, 2009

So no Canadian credit cards?? What's with this "legal limitations" BS? Have you guys heard of PayPal?

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009

Isn't it obvious? Listnook hates Canada!

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SilverbackGorilla Dec 10, 2009

Ah! You stole my idea! I am planning on doing something similar for a gaming site I've been working on.

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marthirial Dec 9, 2009

Any browser shows a blank page if Kaspersky IS with banner blocker on.

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apollotiger Dec 10, 2009 -2

This might be a stupid question, but would it be possible to have opt-in advertising for users who are logged in? I wouldn’t mind seeing an ad or two if it would help listnook (plus, listnookors tend to be interesting), but I don’t want to log out to see them.

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 -7

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[deleted] Dec 9, 2009 +8

To be more permissive, or lesser so?

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[deleted] Dec 10, 2009 -1

Privacy violation

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