ListNook

aftli Dec 16, 2009 +28

Yes! I've been waiting for so long to have the ability to upvote/downvote comment replies right from the message page. All this time I've been going through the trouble of clicking the context link for every reply that I get in order to give karma to the person that was nice enough to let me know they read my message. Now I won't have to do that anymore, and maybe more people will do it for me.

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Xiol Dec 16, 2009 +12

I read your message.

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aftli Dec 16, 2009 +11

Thank you, new listnook acquaintance! You score a shiny upvote courtesy of the new message interface!

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Ilyanep Dec 17, 2009 -6

I tried to not read your message, but still did. C***.

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DoTheDew Dec 17, 2009 +10

I downvoted you just so you'd think aftli was being a d***.

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

You unlocked: Comment Martyrdom!

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kleinbl00 Dec 16, 2009 +120

You pushed this out right about the time I was f****** with the .css for one of my Listnooks. I don't understand CSS. I thought I had become a god.

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bechus Dec 16, 2009 +46

To be fair, it's probably because your parents told you that you could be anything you wanted.

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +31

I still believe I can be a spaceship if I just set my mind to it.

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admiralteal Dec 17, 2009 +7

A fine pipe dream to have, but you should be careful to be pragmatic about it.

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takeaki Dec 17, 2009 +2

Drink a bunch of gasoline, bite down on a lit stick of dynamite and jump off a trampoline and you too can be the Challenger!

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

aww, dude, awww... too soon

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tugteen Dec 17, 2009 +1

a version of you can be a space ship if you put your mind in it! with sequential updates too!

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Peaker Dec 17, 2009 +2

Only at zombo.com

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +6

Funny. I was messing around with loading some [must-have Greasemonkey scripts for Listnook](http://www.listnook.com/r/GreaseMonkey/comments/aes9e/what_are_the_must_have_greasemonkey_scripts_for/) when I noticed the change, too. I'm done scratching my head now. The changes seem like a huge improvement, imho.

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permaculture Dec 17, 2009 +2

I concur, it's the unannounced nature of these 'improvements' that make it a little wearing. How would you feel if you sat in your car and went "Oh shit, where did they put the steering wheel today?" Like the Monty Python Sketch, what we need is a big red stripe across the box. "WARNING: Improvements ahead. Expect the unexpected." Something like that, to take the edge off the surprise.

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nikdahl Dec 17, 2009 +1

You also broke some comments that were submitted around the time the update took place. Not sure if you were aware of that or not.

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pillage Dec 17, 2009 +13

Any chance we can get an alt text that says how many messages we have?

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rjcarr Dec 17, 2009 +1

This, or better, a service we can hit that returns the number of messages we have. Seems silly and hard on their servers to render my entire inbox if all I want to do is check if I have any new messages.

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lennort Dec 17, 2009 +1

>Seems silly and hard on their servers to render my entire inbox if all I want to do is check if I have any new messages I don't understand. If you have new messages, your envelope becomes orangered.

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rjcarr Dec 17, 2009 +1

But what if all I want to know is if my envelope is orange? That is likely just one database lookup. Instead, I have to go to the home page, or the inbox, and that requires them to render the entire page. I'm just saying, let me periodically query a service to see if my envelope is orange rather than browse to the page every time.

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redtaboo Dec 16, 2009 +8

Thanks Guys! I was just thinking I needed a way to distinguish comment replies and PM's as I am easily confused. Putting the arrows in there sure does it! This is great! :P

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DoTheDew Dec 17, 2009 +8

You mean, people send you PM's? :(

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famouslastwords Dec 17, 2009 +5

You can send PM's on Listnook? ...

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

I usually just get "F*** you dickhole" or some variant :(

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redtaboo Dec 17, 2009 +1

awwww..... :D

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +31

[deleted]

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deaathleopards Dec 17, 2009 +31

QUICK! Let's create a facebook group that no one gives a shit about.

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +22

[deleted]

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BritishEnglishPolice Dec 17, 2009 +2

Two people including you like this.

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jwhardcastle Dec 17, 2009 +7

You did it wrong. On my screen I see "notaloop and BritishEnglishPolice like this."

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goatmilk Dec 17, 2009 +1

Then post it on listnook.

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deaathleopards Dec 17, 2009 +2

Apparently, it [already exists](http://www.facebook.com/pages/Listnook-Sucks/209246738331)

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +4

[deleted]

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notaloop Dec 17, 2009 +1

You know what I'm sure will get to you? I'm DONE with finals as of yesterday.

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the_argus Dec 17, 2009 +5

Holy Whitespace battman. Time to break out Stylish.

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xkillx Dec 17, 2009 +2

I like stylish, and can't make anything on my own. i wish people would do better at making styles for listnook.

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the_argus Dec 18, 2009 +1

I just use it for simple tweaks. I like the design on listnook for the most part, but a few things not so much.

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darkmotion Dec 17, 2009 +6

I don't think I've ever got a message before :(

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +5

[deleted]

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darkmotion Dec 17, 2009 +3

I feel so warm and fuzzy now

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

*grope*

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darkmotion Dec 18, 2009 +1

squeeze

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tia-marie Dec 17, 2009 +3

I'm sorry :(

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PPSF Dec 17, 2009 +4

I hate to be a bother, but I forgot the 'suggest features' listnook, and I have to plead. Since listnook is becoming more popular and the comments on threads are easily reaching the thousands now, is there anything that can be done about the 500 comment limit?

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MassesOfTheOpiate Dec 17, 2009 +6

I agree. It used to be that 500 comments was *so* big it wouldn't matter; at worst, you might have to click it once so you can see the *600* comments in a big thread. Whereas the ["What was the most fucked up thing you ever bore witness to"](http://www.listnook.com/r/WTF/comments/afee6/what_was_the_most_fucked_up_thing_that_you_ever/) thread has 3272 comments and is only 14 hours old and still growing. - Now, I'm not saying you want it to display 3000 comments by *default*, but just make there be some way to say "Yes, I'm sure I really want to do this. I won't do it very often. Just show me the 3272 comments all at once." Or something. That said, I guess I've been reading that thread for quite a while and still haven't had to click to expand it (except for individual additional comment expansions, which I *have* been clicking), most stories are so long. But that's beside the point. Point is that a thread has *3,000* comments. Which is way more than threads used to have.

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SnowdensOfYesteryear Dec 17, 2009 +2

Took me a while to figure out why the background some replies were changing colours randomly. Nice touch with that.

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davelog Dec 16, 2009 +11

Any way you can make it blink?

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raldi Dec 16, 2009 +21

Oh no, we're not going through all that again.

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NoMoreNicksLeft Dec 17, 2009 +8

In your user css file, replace it with a blinking gif.

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freakball Dec 17, 2009 -2

This. Do not do. f***, please

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NoMoreNicksLeft Dec 17, 2009 +7

Dude, if he does that, only he'll see it. You know that right? You can style webpages in some custom way, and only you'll see it.

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freakball Dec 17, 2009 -2

*facepalm?

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qtx Dec 17, 2009 -2

make it blink

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bapppppppppp Dec 17, 2009 +3

I like it, very nice

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acrasial Dec 16, 2009 +1

Very nice update to messaging. I hope this is a sign of things to come, with possible similar enhancements to the submissions? For example, now when I mark a submission hidden, it disappears with no way to get back to it without going to my user page, hidden submissions, and digging it out. Maybe it could collapse similar to comments, but only when I click hide (that is, if I reload it won't show up at all)?

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bechus Dec 16, 2009 +2

Now all I need is a group of friends to message!

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flyingfox Dec 17, 2009 +1

Witness "Cuil Driven Development" at its best. Ask for a better search and get a different messaging interface. To fix the search function I think you need to ask for a raccoon or a hamburger.

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WoozleWuzzle Dec 17, 2009 +1

It would be cool if we could get context to a reply. Maybe a mouse over? I hate not know what someone is replying to so I have to get context.

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barfolomew Dec 17, 2009 +1

Good. Now, you need to make the little envelope icon about five thousand times bigger than it currently is. It's one of the most frequently accessed pages, right? Why the hell is it the most difficult thing on the front page to click?

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +4

[deleted]

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barfolomew Dec 17, 2009 +2

You're telling me something like this wouldn't be better? http://i.imgur.com/ArXwA.png

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benjp2k1 Dec 17, 2009 +2

That actually looks really sleek. I likes it. Have an up-vote and an orange-red :)

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

[deleted]

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barfolomew Dec 17, 2009 +1

It's a pretty standard usability principle that targets which are small and far from the mouse cursor are harder to click. It's called Fitt's Law. It's not that people miss the target, but they need to slow themselves down in order to "aim" at it. Slowdowns are annoying.

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ohstrangeone Dec 16, 2009 +1

I just noticed when I went to check my little orange envelope: VERY NICE. Thank you, THANK YOU for letting up/downvote comments replying to one of my comments without having to click away.

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burntsushi Dec 16, 2009 +1

Mark unread--great! Been waiting for this for a while now. Thanks!

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burntsushi Dec 16, 2009 +3

Hmmm... The little orange envelope stays white even when I've marked a few messages unread :-(

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redtaboo Dec 17, 2009 +2

If you download [ListnookAddict Lite](http://www.listnook.com/listnookaddict/) you can fool it with unread messages and have an orangered envelope sitting on your desktop always! :)

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burntsushi Dec 17, 2009 +2

Sweet, I'll have to check that out. Have an up vote!

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KeyserSosa Dec 16, 2009 -1

orangered = new messages only

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rbrt Dec 16, 2009 +1

Mark as orangered.

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ocealot Dec 17, 2009 +1

Would it be possible to show how many upvotes/downvotes a reply to one of your comment has?

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sodypop Dec 16, 2009 +1

This is a great improvement. Being able to sort between PM's, comment replies, and post replies is going to make it so much easier to find stuff. Thank you, as always.

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maniaq Dec 17, 2009 +1

noticed like is that an unhealthy obsession with orangred you're developing?

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jooes Dec 16, 2009 +4

I don't like change!

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burntsushi Dec 16, 2009 +2

[CHANGE! IT'S CHANGE!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dr1sgcC6k4)

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jooes Dec 16, 2009 +1

The first thing I thought of was the time in Family Guy where Stewie yells "I don't like change!" I can't seem to find a clip though.

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tia-marie Dec 17, 2009 +2

Somebody moved my cheese :(

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Skyhook Dec 16, 2009 +1

I hope we'll get to see some points next to the inbox arrows. :)

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 -4

[removed]

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raldi Dec 17, 2009 +1

More specific, please.

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

Good work; thanks!

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guy123 Dec 16, 2009 -1

Now you just need to fix the search.

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raldi Dec 16, 2009 +3

What were you looking for, and what search terms did you use?

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Pappenheimer Dec 17, 2009 +1

I wouldn't normally do this, since I don't think search is that bad (except for the interface), but [this](http://www.listnook.com/r/IAmA/search?q=big+picture) should find [this](http://www.listnook.com/r/IAmA/comments/9shi9/i_am_the_editor_of_the_big_picture_blog_on/). As of now, it doesn't!

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raldi Dec 17, 2009 +2

That post had been marked as spam (presumably, mistakenly). I've cleared its name, so it should show up in results again soon.

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Pappenheimer Dec 17, 2009 +1

Oh my. Please tar and feather the responsible moderator. In case it was the auto filter, please send it to me. In case it was qgyh2, please adjust its parameters a bit.

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kermityfrog Dec 17, 2009 +1

Has anyone tried to hack qgyh2 yet?

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +2

he's from the future. you can't hack something from the future, they fix all your exploits and patch him before you hack him

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bdfortin Dec 16, 2009 +1

I was trying to search through comments. Specifically some of my comments older than my 1000th most recent comment.

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raldi Dec 17, 2009 +5

Then I believe the gripe you were looking for is, "Comment search doesn't exist." If you just say "search sucks" or "fix search", it suggests that we need to spend more time improving the relevancy of existing search results.

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

Can I live vicariously through you? I want to say that to some of my customers but I'd be living in a cardboard box the next day :/

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raldi Dec 17, 2009 +1

What part can't you say?

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +1

Suggesting that they are incorrect in their gripe, they would turn the tables and say that I should have anticipated what gripe they actually meant :P That said, I do gov't contracting, that's why.

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SpiceMustFlow Dec 17, 2009

I found it - here is QGYH2's post regarding listnook search. http://www.listnook.com/r/listnook.com/comments/a9hha/respectful_request_if_you_are_complaining_about/ I tried to give specific examples for him, but the most common problem is: *Us having only a vague recollection of what we are searching for so our "terms" suck. *Not being able to search for awesome comments. *You can't find things with low points or over 6 months old with low points. (even if there were very active with comments) However, if you use google and site:listnook " search terms" you can find the vaguest stuff in comments, for users, things over 6 months old, all kinds of shit. Google search just works. I think you should stop putting energy into creating your own listnook search and just add the Google search gadget.

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raldi Dec 17, 2009 +5

> I think you should stop putting energy into creating your own listnook search and just add the Google search gadget. It's not free, you know.

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gerundronaut Dec 17, 2009 +1

I think SpiceMustFlow is referring to this sort of thing: http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&safe=off&domains=listnook.com&q=raldi&btnG=Search&sitesearch=listnook.com (granted, this search result sucks, too, because it's picking it up from all of the various subdomains). I have a box like that on my blog, costs me $0.

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raldi Dec 17, 2009 +1

It costs money if you're a commercial entity: http://www.google.com/sitesearch/ (click Pricing)

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gerundronaut Dec 17, 2009 +1

Shows what I know.

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[deleted] Dec 18, 2009 -2

[removed]

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raldi Dec 18, 2009 +1

Hmm, you may have a point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting of the listnook board of regents.

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SpiceMustFlow Dec 17, 2009

I didn't know that. Maybe I am thinking about way back when, when you could find it on every personal webpage, blog, website out there on the internet. Remember, the gadget that would have the search box and underneath, search "this site" or "web" in radio buttons? Google must have started capitalizing on that gadget. Well, next time you hear a complaint about listnook search, just do what I do and recommend google search site:listnook.com "search terms" - it has worked great for me and can find titles, comments, users, and the mixture of all. It's not like people are going to leave listnook by using google - no one can leave listnook, evertime you try to get out, it reals you back in.

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puta_mala_flaca Dec 17, 2009 -1

> I didn't know that. *There's* a surprise.

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 -1

[deleted]

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puta_mala_flaca Dec 17, 2009 -1

Just amused by your piss-poor grammar and spelling.

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SpiceMustFlow Dec 17, 2009

That's all? how boring. Who cares about that?

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[deleted] Dec 17, 2009 +2

Easy now fellas, only one way to solve this: *Cage match*

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SpiceMustFlow Dec 17, 2009

QG posted a thread a while back asking for us to give specifics - I will try to find it for you.

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ropers Dec 17, 2009 -2

And yet you still haven't restored the ability to sort one's own comments under http://www.listnook.com/user//comments/ as you promised you would do ASAP over a year ago.

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jedberg Dec 17, 2009 +4

I'm pretty sure there was no "ASAP" on that promise. It was probably more like "one day maybe".

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ropers Dec 17, 2009 -1

Actually, the official word^Wexcuse was that listnook was then experiencing scaling problems, and the promise was to reinstate that feature as soon as the then current scaling problems got resolved.

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jedberg Dec 17, 2009 +1

Well, in that case, we are *still* experiencing scaling problems. :)

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ropers Dec 17, 2009

> Well, in that case, we are still experiencing scaling problems. :) Caution: [Your previous comment](http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/afhx2/bloglistnook_weve_updated_and_hopefully_improved/c0hc366) reveals this as a straight up bullshit excuse, as you weren't even aware of the prior pledge anymore.

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jedberg Dec 17, 2009 +2

> Caution: Your previous comment reveals this as a straight up bullshit excuse I think you need to re-evaluate your logic. We have been experiencing scaling issues for the past year. It has been and is still one of the main reasons we don't have comment sorting (the other main reason being that we don't have the money to afford the necessary servers to enable it, which we have been more than forthcoming about). > as you weren't even aware of the prior pledge anymore. I was quite aware of it. My previous comment makes no indication that I was *not* aware of it. My previous comment simply stated that there was no "ASAP" on that promise, because I know we would never promise to do something ASAP.

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ropers Dec 17, 2009 +1

Listen: I appreciate that it's a free service and yadda, yadda, yadda. I know that I can't force you to do jack shit unless we have a service level agreement, and those typically don't come free. What I dislike about your stance is that you made a promise and didn't keep it and now you're bullshitting and weaseling yourself out of it without even having the common decency to say, "Sorry, we screwed up, we should never have made that commitment, and we honestly can't say if we're ever gonna do it because of A, B, and C." At least be honest instead of starting with condescending exhortations and proceeding to pass disingenuousness off as reasonable while you know and I know that you're just stringing people along. It's by leading people on and being full of it with the horse puckey excuses that you end up antagonizing people. Nobody likes to be lied to. It's disrespectful.

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jedberg Dec 17, 2009 +2

> What I dislike about your stance is that you made a promise and didn't keep You keep saying we made a promise. I don't think we did, because we know better than to make those kinds of promises. Regardless, I don't think we are bullshitting or weaseling. We took out that feature because we could scale it and couldn't afford to scale it. We can scale it now, but we still can't afford it. There has never been a time between when we took it out and now that we have been able to both scale it and afford it. We've been more than forthcoming with that information. We miss that feature too. I'd really like to know which of my comments got the most points. I can't even go into the database and check, because it would cream the database. We really do mean it when we say we will bring the feature back when we can. But so far, we can't.

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ropers Dec 17, 2009 +1

Half a pound of twopenny rice / half a pound of treacle / That's the way the money goes...

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Grue Dec 17, 2009

I don't like it. Messages take twice (or even more) as much space as they did before. All this vertical whitespace is ridiculous.

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dcatalyst Dec 17, 2009

I like that no one has been thankful that they can categorically downvote any replies.

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kingofbigmac Dec 17, 2009 -2

I first read this as blog.listnook -- We've updated (and hopefully improved) the search. I got happy and then realized what I read wasn't search.

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dotrob Dec 16, 2009 -2

Godsdammit where is my cheese!

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kermityfrog Dec 17, 2009

I love you guys.

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jbatch892 Dec 17, 2009 -6

UPDATE THE SEARCH INSTEAD

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Fat_Dumb_Americans Dec 17, 2009

Bing it.

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the_argus Dec 17, 2009 +3

cuil your jets mister.

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jbatch892 Dec 17, 2009 +2

ouch.

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