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DemiFiendRSA 1 day ago +336

Cranston on who the better TV wife was between Skyler White and Lois: >“Well, strictly from a character standpoint… Lois,” replied Cranston, prompting Frankie Muniz to echo the general viewer sentiment towards Skyler: “I wanted to kill Skyler… Your life would have been so much easier! You were such a bad guy, you could’ve just gotten rid of her. All she did was complain!” >That’s when Cranston interjected to offer a more nuanced take on Skyler and criticise the real-life hate and death threats that Gunn received. >“She got a lot of blowback from that. Well, first of all, Anna Gunn is a superb actor,” said Cranston, who then pointed out how absurd the hate was. “Her husband leaves without any explanation. She’s pregnant. He’s making crystal methamphetamine. People have died… and she’s the b*tch?!”

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St0n3yM33rkat 1 day ago +235

I love that he went full circle with the thought process and spoke from both points of view. It really speaks to his understanding of both life and acting.

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malac0da13 1 day ago +89

I felt the same way about her as I did Laura Linney and her character from Ozark. They almost played the character too well.

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RVFVS117 19 hr ago +8

Laura Linney’s character (superbly acted) was a lot more dark and intentional than Skylar. She knew about everything from the start and was ok with it. Once everything bad happened she embraced it while Jason Bateman’s character (career defining role from him as well) wanted out the entire way through.

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St0n3yM33rkat 1 day ago +26

It seems to be a running trend that if you go and play an angry/dark/villain/(whatever you want to insert here for similar description) character on tv or the movies, and you embody that character a bit TOO well, that alot of people lose their ability to differentiate between the person acting and the character they're playing. Skylar is supposed to come off to the audience in a cold way. Without characters like her, that the audience feels torn to sides on, the escalation of events not only takes longer, it means less when it comes to fruition. I tried explaining this to someone the other day who said in the Harry Potter remake, how are they going to address Draco's racism towards Hermoine? The only answer is that you leave it there. You tell the story. Without Draco being a pretentious little t*** in his youth, what does his character grow from? Why would he have picked on Harry, in the first place, if he wasn't? It'd alter so much of the story that it would be completely different. If Voldemort's purpose was changed to bringing equality for all, is he still a villain? What good would these stories be without villains? Without characters who get angry and make you question your own real world positions?

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Cratonis 20 hr ago +11

I think I hate how neither Skylar haters or Skylar supporters are capable of A) Handling nuance, B) Interpreting events in chronological order. Either way the absolutely worthless idiots who hated Anna Gunn for portraying the character as well as Cranston did Walter White should be forced into a real life Thunder Dome.

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Clenzor 20 hr ago +5

Agreed. The nuance to me is she’s terrible for cheating with Ted, as at that point, her beliefs were that Walt was acting weird because he had cancer. She cheated because her marriage got tough because her partner got cancer. Everything else after that point I don’t hate. I think it’s dumb to steal from the cartel to pay off your boyfriend’s bank loan or whatever debts Ted had, but I don’t think she’s a b**** for it either.

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Dunstund_CHeks_IN 16 hr ago +7

You’ve gotta rewatch the series, then. She “cheated” after it was abundantly clear that he was dealing meth, putting the family in danger. I watched it for the first time last year as a middle aged man, and it didn’t even seem like cheating to me. She’d already kicked him out once. He was blackmailing her to play family and have a room in the house while she was having panic attacks and thinking about her children. She “cheated” because words weren’t working, she felt he’d already nuked the family (he had).

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Fantastic_panda_801 16 hr ago +5

She didn’t cheat. She already tried to leave the relationship but Walter wouldn’t let her

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Dahcchad 17 hr ago +1

I think its a knee-jerk reaction to respond positively to the central character and what he or she is trying to achieve, and to also dislike those who make the central characters success difficult. On the first watch, it is natural to like Walt and hate Skyler. I would be surprised if anyone still felt that way at the series end, or on a re-watch.

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thegypsyqueen 18 hr ago +5

Except Wendy actually sucks and is the bigger psychopath of the two.

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CinemaDork 16 hr ago +1

Laura Linney's character was a monster. The way she mistreated her children in practically every episode horrified me.

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Clenzor 1 day ago +18

He didn’t though. He was asked Skylar or Lois and he said Lois, to which Frankie Muniz said the stuff about Skylar which prompted Cranston to defend Skylar/Gunn.

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JHerbY2K 18 hr ago +9

It’s interesting that Muniz grew up to be a political asshat and likely holds some regressive views towards women. Which is the real explanation for Skylar hate - she was not blindly supporting her husband.

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throw_every_away 22 hr ago -6

I don’t personally give a shit about this show, but y’all are acting like it’s a nuanced take to acknowledge that somebody whose husband is murdering and making drugs would be rightfully upset. Really?

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I_SEE_GAY_PEOPLE 21 hr ago

You sound like a lot of fun!

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throw_every_away 20 hr ago +6

You’re right. I still hold the same opinion, but I shouldn’t be such a butthead.

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I_SEE_GAY_PEOPLE 20 hr ago

Now you seem like a relatable and mature person, kudos to you!

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SomeCountryFriedBS 19 hr ago +18

Frankie showing his worldview a little there.

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SirTabetha 19 hr ago +4

It’s more the fault of the writer, not the actor. This is a persistent problem with male writers of shows for their female characters. I felt the same way about Dexter’s lead female roles in the first couple of seasons; they were written as nags or emotionally unstable, and it seems to be specific to white American women. It’s tiresome, but consistent.

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Third_Sundering26 17 hr ago +13

I don’t think there’s any significant writing issues for Skyler’s character in Breaking Bad. She is consistently intelligent, does what is best for her family, and is struggling in a bad situation. She is definitely better written than 90% of the characters in Dexter. I think the issue is more with a significant portion of the audience being media illiterate and/or misogynistic manchildren that view strong female characters that push back against the male villain protagonist as being nagging bitches. The fact that they drank Walt’s koolaid says more about them than it does about the show’s writing.

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sgtpepperslaststand 13 hr ago +6

Ok but if you wrote a female character just like Walter people would absolutely hate her

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dunc89 22 hr ago -9

To be fair, she was a b*tch

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Primary-Floor8574 21 hr ago +12

I think that’s intentional. The show was from Walt’s POV. he has to be “likeable” and the viewer root for him - if not at least to see how he will finally fall. So to balance that - he needs an “unlikable” counter - in this case both Skyler and Marie take that job, with Hank being his moral foil. It’s an example of good writing and character building. One of very few in the last 20 years.

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dunc89 9 hr ago +1

You are correct

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Telly94 1 day ago +208

The way some fans of this show will still pick apart everything Skylar’s done while talking about Walt like he’s a God. Its annoying. I don’t blame him for saying something.

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_Badwulf_Bruh__ 1 day ago +66

There is a large subsection of the BB fan base who legitimately think Walter is an admirable fellow

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djcatcat 22 hr ago +27

I saw BB when I was a teen, and then I saw it again 5 years later and my perspective had completely changed. On my re-watch, I remember thinking that Walter was such a f****** loser, and how I didn't clock that watching the first time around. I also remembered Skylar being a total b****, which was so untrue cause she seemed like the most sane person on the show. Hank was kinda a d*** too. It was like watching a completely different show

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SAwfulBaconTaco 15 hr ago +2

To me BB is largely about how Walter's journey from regular dad to crime syndicate leader is the exact opposite of Jesse's journey from small time loser/crook to a good person. Hank was an a****** the entire show. Skylar was the woman who married a much older man too young, after he knocked her up, and their marriage followed the trajectory one would expect from that. Of course she hated Walter, and vice versa, 18 years deep in that marriage.

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The_MightyMonarch 21 hr ago +8

I'm guessing the same kind of guys who see Patrick Bateman and Tyler Durden as role models.

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MaestroLogical 12 hr ago +1

Probably the same subset that think Homelander is a hero.

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CrissBliss 1 day ago +42

What’s annoying is how sometimes characters like Carrie Bradshaw or Lorelai Gilmore get raked over the coals, but Walt from B&B is deified. I love Bryan. He’s a great actor, and the first to say Walt isn’t a good guy.

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Telly94 1 day ago +46

Yep, people can’t handle a woman who’s less than perfect but will love a horrible man.

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Craico13 1 day ago +30

Man yells: Strong. Opinionated. Outspoken. Woman yells: *…what a crazy b****…*

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Gysus12 1 day ago +12

literally the reaction to the main character on Pluribus by the same creator. people find her annoying but she is completely justified.

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CrissBliss 21 hr ago +2

Someone was arguing that she was too rude to the aliens 🤦‍♀️

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secretreddname 21 hr ago +2

The Aliens brought world peace to be fair.

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CrissBliss 20 hr ago +2

They took away everyone’s free will. That’s not peace, it’s control.

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Gysus12 16 hr ago +1

you mean brought slavery to the whole world? no one had a choice and no one has a choice anymore, they will all die out in 10 years. not worth it

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Azmoten 16 hr ago +1

The online discourse around that show as it was coming out was kind of fascinating just in how polarized it was.

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Cferretrun 22 hr ago +18

There’s a swathe of toxic masculinity that is attracted to characters like Walter White, Rick Sanchez, Bojack Horseman, The Boys, Light Yagami, The Joker, The Punisher… etc. To them these men represent the ideal “type”, which is a man that despite losing control of his life and world, maintains it through acts of power, violence, preternatural intelligence, and dominance. They don’t recognize the undertones of pathetic desperation or trauma that leads these men to this power complex, just that when he is at peak domination there is no one that can stop him, and he can take whatever he wants. The downward spirals and the drawbacks to this life of violence in these shows don’t impact them, just the peak maleness of “being on top of the world and every b**** in it.” They’re largely ignorant to the Walter Whites being the Walter Whites greatest enemy, and instead shift the blame to the obstacles stopping his rise to peak control and self-importance like Skylar.

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Far-Repeat-2926 20 hr ago +1

"you say sigma badass, I say lone wolf terrorist"

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Druber13 18 hr ago +1

That’s the way the story is told. It’s not right. She did an amazing job acting and playing the character. From this side of the fence she is the worst. From a logical standpoint she is hardly holding on while making some bad decisions on her side. It’s over all a masterpiece on how it was done.

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redskinfan654 1 day ago -1

Well tbf, I think a lot of people root for Walt because he’s a badass meth cook making a f*** ton of money. It really wasn’t till the second watch that I had empathy for Skylar because you know what Walt becomes.

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flyingsquirrelpaws 14 hr ago

Y the y

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foogeyzi69 1 day ago -21

f*** skylar and f*** ted and f*** u too.

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puccinni 22 hr ago +2

my dude they are fictionalized tv characters who cares if someone has a differing opinion on them…for me personally jessie was the most sympathetic & compelling character, different aspects of the same piece of art can resonate more or less w different people but it’s nothing to say “f*** u” over i feel

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foogeyzi69 17 hr ago +1

jessie is a little b**** that cries over every little thing. he should died in S1 like the original plan. glad every girl he liked died.

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Far-Repeat-2926 20 hr ago +2

Pitches a fit over fictional characters, a FNAF avatar, and hidden comments? You seem secure.

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Gysus12 1 day ago +89

in rewatch, skyler did nothing wrong

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GetABidet4UrButt 1 day ago +61

Except smoking while pregnant

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Comfortable-Yam9013 1 day ago +24

I think she had an affair too? Still not murdering people thoogh

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ouellette001 23 hr ago +50

After she told Walt she wanted a divorce and he forced his way back into the home The marriage was broken at that point and he had it coming tbh

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Forsaken-Guidance811 21 hr ago +31

And after he raped her, people always forget he raped her at the beginning of season 2.

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Naive_Confidence7297 19 hr ago +6

Yeh thats messed up

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Frostbitejo 12 hr ago

Didn’t he just try to r*** her? I thought she was able to stop him/snap him out of it before he fully forced himself on her. (But maybe I’m misremembering?)

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WifeLeaverr 8 hr ago +1

Yes because trying to r*** sounds so much better than r***.

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Comfortable-Yam9013 23 hr ago +10

Ah ok, didn’t recall that part

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ShinyGrunt69 21 hr ago +4

Bro he f****** murdered people and sold them meth “But sH3 CheAtED!”

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Gysus12 1 day ago -6

oh.... good point forgot about that, maybe that why flynn was like that

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phantompower_48v 1 day ago +18

This is it. The first watch you’re rooting for WW as this anti hero. The second watch really hits home how villainous he is, and how he holds his family hostage.

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vomicyclin 22 hr ago +5

Excuse me? Might I remind you of the “happy birthday” scene?

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riverpluck 1 day ago +9

She took away her sons cool sport car and replaced it with an ugly ass purple PT Cruiser. I was so mad.

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Gysus12 1 day ago +23

because she needed to launder money and Walt's ego was getting in the way through the whole show

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The_Real_Lasagna 15 hr ago +1

But a pt cruiser lol

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Gysus12 15 hr ago +1

hell, i wanted a PT cruiser back when they still existed, obviously doesnt compare to a sports car. a car is a car and i've never been given a car, i had to earn and buy mine.

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RunsfromWisdom 23 hr ago +2

Eh, banging Ted was probably not a brilliant move. I think it’s relatable to the way a lot of people who feel trapped in shitty, abusive, non-partnership marriages cheat. But it still wasn’t right.

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Andybabez20 17 hr ago +1

She willingly helped Walt launder money. That was the only bad thing she did. And yet what everyone rags on her for is sleeping with her Boss after already having served her husband divorce papers because he told her he was dealing meth.

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sonofcabbagemerchant 10 hr ago +1

There is a whole plotline making it very clear that she went bad too, when she chose to support Walts meth empire and went so deep she blackmailed her family to stay quiet. Also wanted Jesse killed. She is not a "b****" or even a bad person but the show wants us to understand she crossed the line eventually too.

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Miserable-Ad-7956 22 hr ago +1

I think there was a certain point where she'd considered just leaving about three different times. Yet, everytime she comes back with rules and demands, that she knows Walt won't respect, and is drawn deeper into the shit. Until she has a guy immobilized in a hospital bed pleading with her to believe him when he says he told them it was an accident and nobody will ever know. That lawyer in season 2 gave her the best advice, and by continuing to ignore it she eventually implicated herself heavily in Walt's crimes.

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E1M1_DOOM 1 day ago -5

I don't think it's that she did anything wrong. I think the bigger issue is just that she plays the role in such an unlikable way. Like, yeah, she's doing the right thing most of the time but she is so infuriating while doing it. I'm sure it's on purpose, but it makes it no less bearable.

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ouellette001 23 hr ago +7

“I mean yeah she’s right, but she’s still so unlikable about it” Yeah idk boss, it kinda just sounds like women annoy you…

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E1M1_DOOM 22 hr ago -2

LOL. Nah. Skyler annoys me. She is super annoying.

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Gysus12 1 day ago +7

i honestly don't see how she was an unlikable character. she only started acting the way she did when she knew Walt was lying to her. she was supportive even after finding out he was cooking meth.

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Michael-Balchaitis 21 hr ago

Launder money.

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exoriparian 1 day ago -9

You watched it wrong.

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DoubleWolverine2852 1 day ago +37

Do people not remember she got death threats because people hated her character so much? If you still think she was a b**** that deserved to die that’s like textbook sexism.

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DoubleFlores24 19 hr ago +2

This is like homelander all over again. Can people not separate the actor from the character?

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workingtheories 15 hr ago +2

they have proven time and time again that they cannot lol

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KimberlyWexlersFoot 11 hr ago +1

this has been a thing forever, i dont know why people are surprised, people hated Meryl Streep in Kramer v Kramer

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MicheleRSimon 1 day ago +34

Every time the wife of an antihero is criticized just remember this simple rule: bad man are likable characters but women who love them are villains. This is sexism at its core.

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Tarquin11 19 hr ago +11

Hea not even an anti hero. Hes a straight up villain protagonist

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EmptyBoysenberry1288 20 hr ago +8

Regardless I just dont understand why people went after Anna Gunn shes a f****** actor...playing a character.

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Aware_Produce_1218 1 day ago +19

Never once did I ever think Skylar was a b**** or whatever haters hate her for. She was a victim and yet never acted like it. She was so strong in the face of adversity and her life and family crumbling. She wanted to save everyone but Walter just couldn’t stop f****** things up.

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DarkValkyrie_ 1 day ago +36

One of the most overhated TV characters and I will die on that hill

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TopazandNumbyHSR 21 hr ago +9

People dislike Skylar because Walt is the protagonist. It's not hard to understand. People root for the main character of the show.

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southendgirl 1 day ago +12

It’s been so long since the show originally aired. Did they defend Skylar back then? I remember the scene where Walt is late for a sonogram and Skylar questions him. He doesn’t like her questions and turns it on her telling her to climb off his back. And from that point on, Skylar was not liked in most discussions of the show.

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gdex86 1 day ago +18

Walt is a villian protagonist. He is the character the story rotates around byt is a bad guy. But since we see the story from his perspective a number of folks seem to forget that he is a nasty piece of work and you aren't supposed to agree with him.

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darkeststar 1 day ago +8

Has basically that exact conversation with a friend a few weeks ago as we both started rewatching Breaking Bad. He kept mentioning how much "Skyler sucks" and how much of a bad person she is and I just had to sit there and be like....Walt is not a good person before the cancer diagnosis and only gets worse episode by episode. His entire outward motivation of having to "provide" for his family is taken away if he just accepted the help from his old partners since they offered to pay for the best care possible for him.

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Alternative_Brain762 20 hr ago +4

I am rewatching the series currently and I'm very pro-Skyler this time around.

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Unused_Icon 1 day ago +3

There are a lot of different perspectives on Anna Gunn's character here, but if there's one thing you should take away for this discussion, it's this: the character's name is spelled Skyler White. That's with an "e", not an "a".

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Lost-Platypus8271 1 day ago +7

I think it all boiled down to her cheating on him while she was pregnant. That was her ultimate “sin”. (I don’t join in that assessment but I think that was the line for people.)

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eagles_1987 1 day ago -5

You don't join in on thinking that was bad?

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intheheatofthesumm3r 1 day ago +17

"Cheating" after being blackmailed by your murderous drug dealing husband into staying in your absuive relationship? (Don't forget he assaulted her already)

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Kuvanet 1 day ago -6

And she gave his money to the guy she cheated with? Did people forget that?

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Shageen 21 hr ago +4

I never understood the hate. That showed how good an actress she was that she was the “good guy” in the marriage but people hated her. It was a well written character and she played it well.

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CzarTanoff 19 hr ago +2

I just like rooting for a good villain now and again

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ToolTimeT 18 hr ago +2

The best villains are the ones the writers make you like.

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ToolTimeT 17 hr ago +2

She got death threats? OMG people are so f'd up in this country.

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realfakejames 14 hr ago +2

No one hated Skyler until the show made her start her affair with Ted, that’s on Vince. People hate cheaters, they’re the ones who set Skylar up for the hate

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shiny-plant 1 day ago +4

Yeah she is because Vince is good at his job.

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mosi_moose 1 day ago +2

Agreed, Vince kept us rooting for Walter as he transitioned from [Mr. Chips to Scarface](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2012/may/19/vince-gilligan-breaking-bad). Masterful. It’s darkly funny watching the criminal mastermind burdened with the responsibilities of an evolved, attentive suburban dad.

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AssertRage 1 day ago +4

If you hate her then she did a good job

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GetABidet4UrButt 1 day ago +3

Wendy Byrde was everything the neck beards thought Skylar was

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CatStretchPics 22 hr ago +4

I “hated” Skylar the character like most people did during my initial watch, when episodes came out weekly, and I didn’t know character arcs On rewatches, I’m 100% Team Skylar

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VicePrincipalGamby 16 hr ago +3

Yeah, but she fucked Ted

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Intrepid-Oil-898 1 day ago +4

Skylar was going through a lot but some of her actions were very questionable…

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OregonMothafaquer 20 hr ago +2

It was the birthday handie while focusing on eBay that made Skylar the b**** 💀

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ToolTimeT 17 hr ago +2

Agree, oral at a minimum, dude has cancer and its his birthday

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Fuzzy974 17 hr ago +2

Well, Bryan, she fucked Ted and Gave him the money like if f****** him wasn't enough.

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Away-Quantity928 1 day ago +1

Yes that is correct.

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Healthy-Process874 1 day ago +1

Apparently Anna Gunn isn't a fan of Tammy Wynette.

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M-I-T-B 23 hr ago +1

I feel like Skylar and Cissy from Snowfall are in the same boat in terms of how they are viewed by the fans of each show

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Ok-Alarm7257 21 hr ago +1

If more of Skylars scenes were out of the house and that damn ticking clock I might not of held so much disdain. Her presence brought on that clock more often than not

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Over-Policy-5636 18 hr ago +1

clowns all around

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ToolTimeT 18 hr ago +1

In the beginning his intentions were entirely pure about taking care of his family when he had terminal cancer... but that all changed.... when he got drunk on power and being feared.

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Zora74 16 hr ago +2

His intentions were never pure. Taking care of his family was the excuse he used to prove to himself that he could do something and be somebody.

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ToolTimeT 17 hr ago +1

If you haven't seen Cranston acting out the deposition of the sacklers... its gold. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHii-R0REzQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHii-R0REzQ)

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DragonSurferEGO 16 hr ago +1

Both things can be true

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CinemaDork 16 hr ago +1

Part of the problem with how we assess her character is that we're aware of far more information than she is at most points in the show. It's easy for us to defend her and attack him, but from my perspective a lot of her behavior is really only justifiable if she already knew what he was doing. It seems like he was a good father and husband before he became desperate.

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Immediate-Amount3587 15 hr ago +1

Frankie Muniz is a psycho

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o0_bobbo_0o 14 hr ago +1

Skylar was just an annoying ass character.

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FlyingCupcake68 12 hr ago +1

I recall when the term Skyler White Effect was used for male viewers hating on women characters who were meant to be reasonable

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FlowerMilk43 11 hr ago +1

pretty sure it was her chin

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EducationalPlay6269 11 hr ago +1

Why can’t she just let her husband cook meth in peace?

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Born_Fee_840 10 hr ago +1

I think people misinderstand the hate for Skylar and its annoying. Its a TV show, not real life. She is an obstacle to the fun of the show. Thats it. If Darth Vader couldnt ever force choke people because Mrs Vader would shout at him for not picking the kids up from school people would hate that as well.

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pressedbread 10 hr ago +1

People are idiots. Identifying with a main character, shouldn't mean always supporting a main character. Walt is a great character, but an awful awful person.

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dproton 8 hr ago +1

I never understood the hate Skyler got. I think she acted very reasonably throughout the series. I mean, her husband went through a mid-life crisis and became a drug kingpin FFS .

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Horror_Cap_7166 1 day ago +1

I think it’s fair to say she was pretty annoying and unreasonable at times in season 1, but beyond that there’s no debate.

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Chickachic-aaaaahhh 23 hr ago +1

She's a b**** for cheating with her ex. But Walter isnt someone i would blame her for divorcing.

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Michael-Balchaitis 20 hr ago +1

• She cheated. • She laundered drug money. • She pushed to get Jesse whacked. • Half-assed birthday handy. • Happy birthday, Mr. President. • Annoying as f***.

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MCB1317 20 hr ago +1

Skyler isn't fun and neither her nor her story lines are entertaining. People are allowed to dislike stick-in-the-mud, dull characters while also recognizing those characters were in the right. Said another way: I know dealing crystal meth is bad and that Walt did a lot of damage. I don't need someone in the show to tediously grind things to a halt every few episodes to remind me of these facts. **Barry had the same problem beginning with the back half of s3 and it ruined the show. The audience doesn't need constant morality checks from the writers.

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suck-it-elon 20 hr ago -2

Men just hate women

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JohnyCubetas 18 hr ago +1

All? No stfu

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suck-it-elon 17 hr ago

Is that English?

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exoriparian 1 day ago

Yes. These things are not mutually exclusive.

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Fakeitforreddit 1 day ago -1

My only character complaint to Skylar is that she both tries to help and antagonize after she becomes involved. Like she help embezzle the money, she helps corroborate stories etc but then also wants to commit adultery and puah his buttons, and not confess his crimes. Its not her attitude its her like I want my personal gains until it becomes impactful and gets hank killed which wasnt wants fault.so much as hanks jobs fault. So she then falsely equates that to Walt. Its a well performed,weak character arc... that is likely the result of rewrites from Jesse being so popular and the show needing to go longer. Not her fault

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Kuvanet 1 day ago -1

I mean. Didn’t she cheat on him then give his money to the dude she cheated with? Maybe they both suck?..

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WTWIV 1 day ago -1

She was a very flawed person. It’s not like she was some superhero mom. She smoked while pregnant. She cheated with her boss. She was also very overbearing, controlling, and judgmental at times. I don’t see any issue with not liking her as a person or character.

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Optimal_Whiner 1 day ago -6

Meh. This is a non issue. No need to defend the actress. People like her. The character was a b****, but with reason lol. It's done so well.

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Ok-Temporary-8243 1 day ago +8

You'd be surprised. The jar jar actors life got ruined, same with kid anakin. Fans have no chill

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biophys00 1 day ago +7

He kills someone in the first episode and then strangles another who's locked to a pole within the next couple of episodes. He also lets an innocent school housekeeper go to jail for his theft of chemistry equipment early on. How many times did Skylar emasculate him in the first 2 or 3 episodes of the series? Rewatching the series recently made me realize how bad of a person Walt was from the beginning.

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exoriparian 1 day ago -3

They can both be independently shitty people.

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biophys00 1 day ago +4

I never said she didn't have flaws, I was responding to the claim that somehow she was emasculating Walt repeatedly before he broke bad by pointing out that he had already murdered 2 people by the third episode. Also it's a bit of an understatement to describe both as "independently shitty" when one is a mass murderer on top of making drugs that likely killed/ruined lives of hundreds more.

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exoriparian 1 day ago -3

I'm not comparing one against another, I'm saying they both are beyond the threshold of shitty. Before she was aware of his criminality, she was already cheating and was a condescending jerk like a million other self entitled tradwives that consider themselves good people, when they really are not. After she found out, she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. Could have divorced him, turned him in, etc. but she wanted Walt Jr and Holly to keep the money and house and image of a perfect father, which put her own kids at risk. I'm just saying, if I knew this woman irl, without any of the extra non-public stuff, I would already not think of her fondly.

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BigMack6911 20 hr ago

Yea because he's DOING IT FOR HIS FAMILY. That's what being a man is about. Sometimes you have to do fucked up shit to keep your loved ones well

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ToolTimeT 17 hr ago +1

He stopped doing it for his family in season 1.

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Zora74 16 hr ago +1

If he was ever doing it for the family. His motivation was self centered the whole time. Every step of the way he had reasons why he didn’t need to do the things he did. He did it all for pride.

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MaestroLogical 12 hr ago

I've long held that the hate for Skyler stems 100% from the scene of her giving Walt a half-hearted h****** while she bids on something frivolous online. It was a gut punch for so many men that have been in that situation and it just instantly soured them on her.

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b_l_a_h_d_d_a_h 12 hr ago +1

true but a silly take for those who think that. I assume all marriages have ups and downs and bad hand jobs now and then.Why hate?

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Unhappy-Bullfrog5597 1 day ago -8

Did he forget on purpose that she was cheating way before that?

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Adventurous-Papaya58 21 hr ago -1

Walt was entertaining. She was boring non-tent.

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ohsinboi 23 hr ago -1

Am I remembering wrong, or didn’t she have an affair very early on?

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Ok-Box6892 18 hr ago +1

Wasn't this after she found out he was a drug dealer and wouldn't grant a divorce?

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Electronic_Lie79 1 day ago -11

He forgets to mention the guy is dying with cancer and trying to make ends meet for his wife and family. At least initially. Also, two people can be a b**** at the same time.

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Quixotic_Seal 1 day ago +6

The show is literally over by episode 5 if that was his primary motivation at first. He’s offered a job at Gray Matter that would have solved all his problems: it not only would have had enough to cover treatment, but he would have likely reforged his bonds with his former friends/colleagues, and probably would have eventually resulted in a more satisfying life than being a high school teacher while hopefully beginning to heal the resentment he feels towards having his work “stolen”. The entire point of Grey Matter, both the episode and the broader storyline around it, is to illustrate that Walter White at no point was a particularly good or easy person to be around with purely altruistic intentions; and that he’s always been heavily motivated by pettiness and pride, even if it hurts himself or his family. And to be clear: this is already after he’s killed several people in a drug dispute, and held a gangbanger hostage with the intent to murder him BY EPISODE F****** TWO. His initial good and semi-relatable intentions during the course of the show last *maybe* a single episode of television before shit spirals so fast that any reasonable person would have cut their losses and realized this isn’t going to work out.

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Electronic_Lie79 1 day ago

I disagree it was about pettiness and pride. Every human wants to feel like they have achieved something. Like they're worth something and working for Gray Matter felt more like pity than anything else. I don't blame Walt for not only wanting to set up his family but wanting to go out feeling like he had accomplished something, anything, no matter what that meant. He also wanted to be worth something in his family's eyes and maybe you can call that pride but any person wants to feel like they're worth something

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Emergency_Jacket_296 1 day ago -1

Yea that's something people seem to be missing here. Walter may be the villain, but I think people forgive that or empathize because he started off as just a normal man thrust into desperate circumstances by his diagnosis, and people see his perspective (he's the protagonist, so we see all his justifications) and therefore I think viewers were protective of Walt for that reason, because we knew, at least originally, why Walt was doing these things when Skyler didn't. Was the amount of hate Skyler received wrong/ignorant, yea. It definitely boiled down to her fitting the nagging wife troupe. Was Walt a villain? Yea, but he didn't start off that way, and then the feeling of power touched him, and he evolved I suppose, and I think that resonated with a lot of people.

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GenoThyme 1 day ago +4

What desperate circumstances? His old partners to wanted to make things right and pay for his treatment, but Walt’s ego wouldn’t let that happen.

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Emergency_Jacket_296 23 hr ago

Regardless of why he didn't take up that offer, learning your dying from cancer is textbook desperate circumstances. He's DYING. What's more desperate of a circumstance than that to you? He wouldn't have gotten into any of that stuff had he not gotten cancer. I'm not debating whether or not what he did was a good or bad decision, I literally said he became the villain, that's not up for debate, but he wasn't that at the beginning, even if shit went downhill fast. He was just a middle aged teacher and father driven by desperation at the beginning, and then as I literally said in the last sentence I wrote, he got a taste of that power, it became about the game, and he became the villain.

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GenoThyme 23 hr ago +2

The desperate circumstances were almost entirely of his own making. He had multiple off ramps, the Gray Matter offer, when he had enough money, when he was cancer free. Desperation is a last resort. Cooking wasn't Walt's last resort, it was just the one he wanted to take. I'm not trying to downplay a cancer diagnosis or what that would do to someone's mindset, but c'mon, Walt made himself desperate.

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Emergency_Jacket_296 23 hr ago +1

"Entirely of his own making" is not correct. It's not like he gave himself cancer. Yea, he perpetuated the events in the show of his own accord, but I'm talking about the START. I don't think you're understanding that I am talking about literally the immediate first season first few episodes, where he didn't have those options. I literally just explained that every time he chose NOT to take the better/safer/more moral option, like accepting help, it was because he had already started to become the villain/became power hungry or was just plain stupid. I don't know what the heck you're trying to disagree with me on. HE BECAME A VILLAIN. He chose his fate. What are you even arguing? At the very beginning of the series, was he or was he not JUST a middle age teacher and father just diagnosed with cancer and told he was going to die without immediate treatment? Yes, he was. Did shite spiral quick and he make stupid decisions? Absolutely. Did he continue spiral and start making decisions out of ego and pride and became the villain? Yes! BUT at the very beginning, before he became even a petty drug cook, he was just a regular joe, even even regular joes have pride and ego, and most normal people can empathize with that. If you can't, good for you Sir Perfect.

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GenoThyme 23 hr ago +2

I absolutely have pride and ego and it has led me to do some dumb shit too, just not as dumb as Walt. I also know it's my fault when my pride and ego result in bad shit happening. The cancer was obviously not Walt's fault, but the way he reacts to it is. Roughly 2 million people were diagnosed with cancer last year, with over 600K people dying annually. Unlike Walt, they didn't immediately think of breaking laws after law. How many of those 600K would've jumped at a chance to work for a former friend turned rival for premium health insurance? That rivalry was also all because of Walt's ego and inferiority complex when he found out Gretchen came from wealth. If Walt doesn't have that ego, he's insanely wealthy and has the insurance already when his diagnosis comes. Cancer sucks. Walt's reaction to cancer and him inviting all this on himself sucked too. According to the BB fandom wiki, the Gray Matter insurance offer came at most 13 days after the end of the pilot episode. He was not too deep into crime then thst he couldn't have taken the off ramp. He also tried nothing before resorting to crime. Walt's not the one who knocks, he's the one who made himself desperate.

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Top-Difficulty5202 1 day ago -10

Please...skyler was a part of it. She's devious af too. Skyler is a b****.

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oatmeal28 1 day ago -5

They always say this as if the show didn’t purposefully make her an obstacle for the main characters

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Ok-Temporary-8243 1 day ago +6

She's an obstacle to the main character, who is also a villain. So what makes her the hero?

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oatmeal28 1 day ago +1

Gus is an obstacle to Walt, does that make him a hero?

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Ok-Temporary-8243 1 day ago +1

Gus probably kills the most objective bad guys in the series lol

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oatmeal28 1 day ago +1

Exactly!

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One_Lung_G 1 day ago +6

If you watch a show about somebody who is very clearly a villain and get mad at the innocent people that get in their way while thinking they are bad for it then I dunno what to tell ya.

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oatmeal28 1 day ago -1

Well good thing that never happened to me so you don’t have to figure out what to tell me

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Breegoose 1 day ago +3

But the main characters are evil. What do you call an obstacle of evil?

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oatmeal28 1 day ago +1

I disagree that the main characters are portrayed as “evil” I think it’s much more nuanced. As are the obstacles such as Gus, the cartel, etc

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