Money talks. Every institution has a price, apparently.
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wasraelx23 hr ago
+36
Cambridge uni has consolidated net assets of [£8.2billion](https://www.finance.admin.cam.ac.uk/policy-and-procedures/financial-procedures/chapter-16-fixed-assets/introduction-fixed-assets) and a huge name to defend, but alas there just seems to be something about the Saudi govt specifically that makes everyone drop on their back
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TimTom892121 hr ago
+17
They have endless money and are willing to give you some
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wasraelx1 day ago
+26
From the article:
‘Cambridge University’s business school is seeking to provide “leadership development” and “innovation management” to Saudi Arabia’s defence ministry, the Guardian has learned.
Leadership has approved a proposal by the university’s Judge business school to form a “memorandum of understanding” after an initial introduction by the UK’s Ministry of Defence.
Confidential minutes of the meeting show committee members expressed concerns over the Saudi government’s “record on human rights and climate change … and the ability of the university to safely maintain its staff’s academic freedoms”.
A senior academic on Cambridge’s university council said: “This is horrifying. The University of Cambridge’s values are to protect ‘freedom of thought and expression’ and ‘freedom from discrimination’. Instead of fighting for our principles, we’re selling them out to the most murderous regime in the world.
“The idea that our academics would be safe in a country that arbitrarily imprisons and murders those who dare diverge from state dogma is shameless and disgusting. It’s a total betrayal of what we should stand for”.
The university’s press office declined to comment.’
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AudibleNod1 day ago
+9
> Confidential minutes of the meeting show committee members expressed concerns over the Saudi government’s “record on human rights and climate change … and the ability of the university to safely maintain its staff’s academic freedoms”.
They could always ask Phil Mickelson how he sleeps at night.
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MarauderMoriarty1 day ago
+53
Universities 🤝 Fucked up governments/organisations/businesses.
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MarauderMoriarty23 hr ago
+10
It's all so corporate and sports washy.
Edit: Just realised it's in British Pounds. Damn, that's crazy.
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Sorry-Transition-78023 hr ago
+29
Introduced by the ministry of defence as well...
Unfortunately, many people in this country are still unaware of the horror we helped the Saudis unleash in Yemen with like £30 billion of UK arms. The media never mentions it, only a few parliamentarians ever bring it up, and it generally goes by without issue.
We were also recently engaged in defending Saudi Arabia (or more specifically, mainly US bases in Saudi Arabia) in 'collective defence' when Iran was attacking them in response to the US/Israeli assault—again barely questioned.
And this is a state owned by a singular family that runs a system of slave labour, allows no meaningful political expression or representation, executes political enemies, and turns journalists into sashimi...
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wasraelx22 hr ago
+15
Hey, it’s not fair to talk about the house of Saud like they’re just some brutal flashy dictators. They [gave our royal family](https://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2021/03/diplomatic-gifts-saudi-arabian-jewels.html) pretty necklaces and everything. It’s not a ‘dystopian absolute monarchy’ - it’s ’OUR CLIENT dystopian absolute monarchy.’ They gave us [14.5 billion of arms investments](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8310/) and said very nicely that they won’t [kill any more journalists](https://rsf.org/en/reign-terror-saudi-arabia-execution-journalist-turki-al-jasser-demands-international-response), destabilise [any more counties](https://agsi.org/analysis/saudi-arabias-new-strategy-in-yemen-border-and-proxies/) with proxies, and [execute any more peaceful protestors](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/saudi-arabia) once they deal with this last bunch under Sharia law okay.
Wait why did we attack Iran again
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Designer-Salary-777322 hr ago
+18
Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist and critic, was murdered on October 2, 2018, by a 15-member Saudi operative team at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.
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wasraelx22 hr ago
+6
And the dismembered remains were [never found](https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/sr-executions/inquiry-killing-mr-jamal-kashoggi).
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Mackieeeee21 hr ago
+5
And ordered by MSB
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Mountsorrel1 day ago
-3
They are looking for someone to provide “leadership development” and “innovation management”, they are going to pay \*someone\* for it, why shouldn’t it be us? When you look at who they \*could\* go to for this, it seems hardly likely Cambridge University are going to steer them down a path that makes their “record on human rights and climate change” worse.
We fuel our cars with their oil, essentially funding their government, so is that not the same ethical issue as we see here?
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wasraelx23 hr ago
+16
… yes, there’s in fact a huge difference between a random consumer buying potentially Saudi-sourced petrol for their car, and a world famous university handing out tuition-fee funded contracts to the Saudi govt’s defence ministry despite their own academic board’s horror.
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Mountsorrel23 hr ago
-5
What? They are selling consultancy and training to the Saudis, it’s a source of income, not an expenditure.
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wasraelx23 hr ago
+12
I mean I’m sure you know more about it than the Cambridge’s own academic board that is categorically opposing these contracts. I was just reacting to your 101 whataboutism point.
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CitrusFresh3 hr ago
+1
A big part of their (Cambridge) history is tied to forging the way for free speech and open debate, something Saudi Arabia might not align with. It seems off beat to make a deal with their Defence ministry.
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imaginary_num6er18 hr ago
-3
Remember Cambridge Analytica?
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_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_15 hr ago
+5
Remember it had no connection to the University and just used the name to sound scientific?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge\_Analytica#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica#History)
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