> “I did not think of this requirement in the moments happening after the flood,” she told the court
Unfortunate, but fair, there was a lot going on.
> Asked whether she should do so now, with the camp license pending, she replied: “I guess so.”
F*** off.
This family is not just dumb, or incompetent, they are evil. I just read both the recent NY Magazine and Texas Monthly articles about this camp and these children were left to die. Counsellors were not allowed to use cell phones, they did not have walkie talkies. The only flood-related training they received was a paragraph stating that in the event of a flood, they should stay in their cabins until told by officials to leave.
The parents who support re-opening Camp Mystic believe that without the actions of the Eastlands, more children would have died. The reality is that the children who are alive are alive because they ignored the instructions to stay in their cabins and went to higher ground when they still had the ability to. Teenage counsellors were left to make that decision. The Eastmans failed them.
The NY Magazine article speculates that this camp made the family a minimum of $10 million per summer. They want to re-open this camp because they cannot comprehend a world in which they are no longer millionaires. They do not value lives, they value money. Cile Steward has not been found, her body could still be in the river, and they're applying to have free diving and snorkeling at the camp this summer.
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LottaLegs3 days ago
+39
Side note, I used to work for Big Brother Big Sisters of Central Ohio at Camp Oty Okwa in the Hocking Hills. The camp is a nonprofit arm of the organization run by people who truly care about children. The children who attend the camp rarely pay the full amount to go, and a lot of them don't have to pay at all. If any of y'all want to help a place that is doing miracles for our next generation consider donating to them because they need it. Or you becoming a Big in your own town! - plug over
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ArgusRun3 days ago
+135
The parents who support reopening are part of a white, rich texas culture that prizes image over everything else. The dead children and grieving parents are ugly blotches on their image of a perfect life. Their perfect, christian vision of life has no room for ugliness. Except in their own souls.
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CheezTips3 days ago
+71
They're so flipping smug in interviews. "You can always tell when a woman was a Mystic girl... they're so grounded, so godly. Perfect wives and mothers". Totally fake-ass smiles
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BoomBoomSpaceRocket1 day ago
+7
Even without the flood deaths, this camp sounds creepy.
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CheezTips11 hr ago
+1
They remind me of FLDS cult members
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masta0303 days ago
+24
Aka completely delusional
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Routine-Ad-11613 days ago
+783
Incompetence leads to death, continued incompetence leads to more deaths. They should never operate a business again.
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surnik223 days ago
+425
It’s not incompetence in this case. It’s greed.
They knew the cabins were in flood plains. They built them there then worked to get them designated as not flood plains to lower insurance costs.
Everyone knows building in flood plains risks flooding and death, they just chose to ignore that risk because saving on land costs (buying flood plains) and insurance costs was more important to them then the increased risk of kids dying.
Making a conscious decision to ignore safety risks to save money is not incompetence, it’s just greed.
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carolinemathildes3 days ago
+237
Not just a floodplain. They built cabins in the *floodway*, the area at highest risk where the water moves fastest.
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meatball773 days ago
+70
Which wasn't really the problem. It was not having a proactive plan to deal with flood risk. Those kids should have been moved and bedded down at the local church when the flood watch was put in place.
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Ohsostoked3 days ago
+107
Both you and the person you are replying to are correct. Lack of planning definitely led to the deaths of those girls but allowing anyone to sleep in a building that is in a FLOODWAY is so far beyond incompetent that not only should the Eastland's be legally responsible for the deaths but the authorities that allowed the cabins to stay should as well. The floodway is basically the bounds of the river. It's entirely different from a flood plain. Those cabins should have been moved, torn down or used as pavilions or something but never should have been used as housing. They were allowed because they had been there since before there was such a thing as a FEMA floodway but that's really no excuse. Those poor campers and counselors, and their families, were failed by everyone who was supposed to be protecting them. Truly heartbreaking.
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Fight_those_bastards3 days ago
+75
It’s this. Building in a floodway is incredibly stupid. Not having and executing an emergency evacuation plan at the first sign of trouble is *incomprehensibly* stupid. I’ve worked at summer camps with scouting. We had, and practiced, emergency procedures, and relied on the mantra of “better safe than sorry.” Did it suck when we roused the entire damn camp at 2am and got everyone to the dining halls when storm cells with quarter sized hail and 70 mile per hour winds were forecast to hit? Yes. Was it worth the hassle even though the storm missed us by miles, and there was no damage to the camp? Also yes. Because your f****** **number one priority** as a camp counselor is the **safety of the campers**. Period.
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aliquotoculos3 days ago
+25
Since moving to Texas, the goalpost for 'incomprehensibly stupid' has shifted for me. Most of the people around me in this godforsaken shithole are incomprehensibly stupid just, all the time.
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squirrelbus3 days ago
+6
Also those are some of the best memories as a kid. Sucks for the adults who are used to it though.
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MiaowaraShiro3 days ago
+2
> I’ve worked at summer camps with scouting.
Christian summer camps from what I've heard have an *extremely* wide range of organization and quality compared to scout groups.
A lot of them are just grifts cuz "believers" are very easy to con.
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skantman2 days ago
+2
They actually had a lot of the cabin footprints removed from the floodway. Sketchy stuff happened before the flood.
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captainsmoothie3 days ago
+75
My jaw dropped when I heard on NPR that in the court case against Camp Mystic's reopening, they admitted that not only did they not have a formal evacuation plan last summer, they STILL don't have one for the upcoming summer. What kinda people are running this place?
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InTheVoidWeSwim3 days ago
+40
Who is sending their kids there under these circumstances anyway? Like how are there even campers signed up for this summer?
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pinkmeanie3 days ago
+38
This is a camp where the children of the aristocracy of TX go. LBJ's daughters went there, and Laura Bush was a counselor.
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ErsatzHaderach3 days ago
+32
it's an [until now] widely-beloved tradition and an exclusive networking opportunity. some people will risk their kids for that
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byneothername3 days ago
+29
It’s definitely still beloved. There was a big article on this camp in NY Magazine and wow, the fighting in the comments. Plenty of people going to war for this camp for free, insulting parents of the dead girls. It was bizarre as f***.
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ErsatzHaderach3 days ago
+6
oh i've read it. shit's wild
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TheNonSportsAccount3 days ago
+7
Texas has been giving the implicit nod to developers to build in flood prone areas for a long time now. Gotta prioritize that short term margin!
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ned_luddite3 days ago
+24
Specifically, they lobbied FEMA to have their flood plain designation removed.
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sonic_couth3 days ago
+34
“I guess so,” says Mary Liz Eastland probably.
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Antique_Maybe_83243 days ago
+8
Kerr county applied in 2016, was denied for lack of current hazard mitigation plans, reapplied and was accepted in 2018.
State officials used those federal funds for Hurricane Harvey damaged counties..
2021, ARPA funds for pandemic relief or infrastructure improvements related to Kerr county (10.2 million). The country chose not to use these funds on sirens and warning systems due to a public survey, 42% were against.
Finally in 2024, Kerr applied to state, funding proposed by state was less than needed, proposal rejected by county.
Cost would have been 1-2 million. (My guestimate)
As for the works cited, just copy paste, find the original articles, etc. I was there during 2021-2025, Texas has issues
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Express-Citron-63873 days ago
+5
They did that to lower the insurance? No wonder all the lawsuits.
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Random_182f25653 days ago
+2
But on paper it says it's not a flood plain, so it can't flood anymore!!!! Who would expect water to just ignore bureaucracy?
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chickenery3 days ago
+198
Kerr County government officials are equally culpable. They prefer dead children over taking funds from a democrat… total malfeasance.
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masta0303 days ago
+89
Yeah, that shit is actually insane. Anyone who refuses funds for where they represent because it's from a different party should be barred from politics tbh
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OnlyFuzzy133 days ago
+18
No no no, let’s codify it. Extend it further. Blue dollars coming from blue states carry the ghey. Red states shouldn’t sully themselves with such ill gotten gains.
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masta0303 days ago
+12
I don't want a bunch of innocent people punished for a vendetta against a party. Even if we ignore all the GOP voting citizens, 43% of votes in the 2024 election in Texas were for Democrats, no where in America is blue or red, every state is purple
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OnlyFuzzy133 days ago
+9
I hear what you’re saying, as a pretty liberal guy in Fl, my county went about 65% ‘the other way’ which due to our all or nothing election laws means that nearly every position in the county went to GoP.
This has the knock on effect of meaning about 0% of the issues that I think would help the average citizen get approved. I don’t want folks unintentionally hurt by our policies and politicians; however the end result is that folks don’t follow the politicians enough (except by team color) to understand how a lot of these bad policies directly impact all of us.
Then the blue state money rolls in and helps to alleviate the problems that we kind of forced on ourselves.
Maybe if we started to feel a little more pain from these policies we’d pay more attention when those we elect start to create them. The example I’ll give is that everyone I know bitches about both the cost and quality of our healthcare, and no one I know actually supports any sort of meaningful healthcare reform; let alone something as ‘socialist’ as what every other successful country does.
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smythe703 days ago
+18
Thank you for saying that because they contributed to these poor children's deaths all to own the libs, wtf.
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datanerdette3 days ago
+11
They shouldn't have responsibility for a houseplant, let alone a camp full of children.
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nicane3 days ago
+1
Send them to jail
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That_Communication713 days ago
+2013
Come on. Nothing Gregg Abbott likes more than statistics for dead children. It shows him his plan is working. Why would you deny him what little joy he gets in life?
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Zanos-Ixshlae3 days ago
+318
It's like dead kids will revive his ability to walk once he hits a certain number...
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AdagioOld43643 days ago
+80
For him, their deaths awaken feelings in a different "limb", sadly.
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viperlemondemon3 days ago
+4
Well it’s definitely not his legs
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menagerath3 days ago
+11
If I can’t have children then nobody who wants them can either.
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Discount_Extra3 days ago
Like a reverse Broomshakalaka
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Lintcat13 days ago
+30
These are rich suburbanite white kids not the ones he wants to help put in concentration camps on the border or get shot in some ick public school where the poors go.
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That_Communication713 days ago
+23
He makes guns easy to get because his favorite form of entertainment are school shootings. He's only racist when it comes to adults, he loves it when all types of kids are killed. Why else would he pass so much legislation that has been proven to result in their deaths.
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UnstableMabel3 days ago
+5
They celebrated every single school shooting, didn't they?
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FrostyLandscape2 days ago
+2
That is a good point. I bet a lot of these kids parents voted for the party that denied climate change and doesn't want to fund public weather warnings. (Project 2025).
Some parents will send their kids to this kind of camp no matter what. It is a "rich kid networking event". This is how rich Texans are. This is what they do.
There were many other people, including children, who died in this flood that were not wealthy campers. Nobody talks about them.
These parents had access to the same weather warnings that everyone else in Texas had. They should have known and tried to evacuate their kids. Did they even ask the camp what their emergency plans were in case of something like this?
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yesiamveryhigh3 days ago
+18
Are you talking about Greg “Little Piss Baby” Abbott?
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Total_Network63123 days ago
+8
Is that the same as Greg "Little Mr. Bitchface" Abbott?
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Sought_After3 days ago
+13
He’s a POS on wheels.
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MDGS3 days ago
+2
Exactly. This is everything he stands for.
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LasVegasNerd283 days ago
+438
Look, I understand not reporting in the 24 hour time frame. Things were incredibly chaotic and I doubt you would’ve had an accurate headcount for a few days anyway. However, when asked if you should report it now (because SHE STILL HASN’T), replying “I guess so” is a f****** sociopathic response.
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zughzz3 days ago
+41
How irreparable can you be? Children died at your facility, you’ve taken zero responsibility for it, and you can’t at the very least gather the victims information and send it to the agency for reporting. Stupid & lack of empathy all around.
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BlueEyes2943 days ago
+121
She is auditioning to join Trump’s cabinet.
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jaderust3 days ago
+254
I find it ghoulish that these people are trying to reopen. Who the hell would let their kid go to camp there? Little girls died, one of them was never found, and they want to hold camp like nothing ever happened? No. That’s insane. Especially since I’ve never seen anything about new safety standards to ensure that if conditions get bad this won’t happen again.
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ellsego3 days ago
+102
This is what I don’t get… they can reopen all they want (they shouldn’t be allowed to) but what parent in their right mind is sending their kid there? And as you said there are no new safety standards, early warning systems or anything, the camp is still in a damn floodway.
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RaspberryTwilight3 days ago
+63
I don't personally know any of them nor have I ever been to Texas but I have met people who would absolutely do this. They would say something like "It can happen to anyone" "it was unfortunate but it wasn't the camps fault, it could have happened even if they did everything perfectly" "it's unfair to punish the kids for something that was completely out of anyone's control"
Idk I think it gives them comfort to believe that bad things are inevitable so you might as well just not worry about stuff. Like the opposite of a prepper. Radical acceptance.
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IslandBoy13373 days ago
+13
Very easy to accept risks when it happens to anyone else but you, even your kids, the mindset of the ''family loving'' conservative
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aliquotoculos3 days ago
+8
"God would not let that happen to my kid because I am a very good Christian."
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ellsego3 days ago
+2
it’s like the parents from the religious sect who had a kid die from Measles (easily preventable) and said they wouldn’t change anything given the chance AFTER their kid died.
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lgfuado2 days ago
+1
These are the same people that said bluntly that it was acceptable for the elderly and immunocompromised to die of Covid, because why should they be inconvenienced when those people are going to die anyways? The culture is morally corrupt.
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opacous3 days ago
+19
According to this [New York Magazine article](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/camp-mystic-texas-flood-deaths.html?utm_source=nymag_app_article_share), many parents are not in fact in their right mind.
Good christ Alexa speaks like an absolute imbecile.
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Express-Citron-63873 days ago
+2
Oh no!
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TheDarkAbove3 days ago
+17
Same ones who keep voting for Ted Cruz I imagine.
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Fallouttgrrl3 days ago
+3
"mistakes were made, lessons were learned, surely it'll be safer this time"
Ugh
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ArgusRun3 days ago
+80
The parents of the girls who didn't die are on the side of the camp owners. Texas is a disease.
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UnusualHoneydew16253 days ago
+45
This!
They’re applying to open up another summer camp there THIS SUMMER.
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-heathcliffe-3 days ago
+12
Im pretty sure that stretch of river and camp have been the source of similar deaths by flash flood in the past as well.
I saw a whole interactive map with locations of deaths, its freaking crazy, its gonna happen again, guarantee it.
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New-Grapefruit17372 days ago
+1
Same freaks that still send their kids to Kanakuk.
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datsyukdangles3 days ago
+67
The Eastland's should be in prison. They are directly responsible for the deaths of 27 people. But instead of facing consequences, they are trying to reopen the camp again this summer. Apparently 900 children have been registered to attend the camp this summer which is insane. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a parent of one of the victims and sit in court and listen to the Eastland's cry about how the abandoned the campers, how they should never have opened the camp last year, describe how negligent they were, how they still to this day have not complied with regulatory requirements, and then turn around and say they should be allowed to continuing running the camp
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Tricky-Gemstone3 days ago
+42
What enrages me most about this situation is that it was entirely avoidable. None of this had to happen. Those kids could still be alive.
F*** every person in this chain of malicious incompetence that murdered those kids.
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+1
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DungPedalerDDSEsq3 days ago
+621
People in Texas f****** suck. Any other giant state like Texas would have those camp owners in jail by now.
Come to think of it; moving all the cabins to a flood zone, after getting the government to remove the flood zone designation, never would've happened outside of that corrupt-assed state.
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releaseepsteinfiles13 days ago
+326
The people in uvalde voted for the same shit stains that let their kids get murdered
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alexefi3 days ago
+44
because we all know those people learned their lesson and wont let that happen again. right? right?.... right guys?
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Chalupa-Supreme3 days ago
+14
Reminds me of the kid that was killed on Verruckt at Schlitterbahn. His dad was a congressman that removed safety regulations for amusement parks in the state.
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thrownormanaway3 days ago
+6
You have a source for this?
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drgath3 days ago
-1
The above comment appears to be BS. Scott Schwab worked with fellow legislators to change the law about inspection, which had previously allowed the park to self-inspect. Now, inspection needs to be done by the state. Also, he wasn’t a congressman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verr%C3%BCckt
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BangkokRios3 days ago
+8
Schwab was a state congressman at the time. And he certainly supports more regulations (on amusement parks at least) now!
He wasn’t so keen on them prior to 2016. Not specific to amusement parks, but he ran partially on limiting regulations on businesses.
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WestCoastBestCoast013 days ago
+1
At least that place closed permanently. What a waste of resources.
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Sea-Bicycle-44843 days ago
+11
“Pro life”
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kristospherein3 days ago
+136
This. The govt officials and camp owners should be jailed for negligent homicide. They contributed directly to the deaths by ignoring science.
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danceswithdangerr3 days ago
+2
Their “god” was not there that day, that’s for sure.
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IamHydrogenMike3 days ago
+70
I remember looking at this camp on Google Maps, and I was blown away that anyone would have put cabins in an obvious flood zone. A zone that had flooded not too long ago in the grand scheme of things. Just because a place hasn't flooded in 30 years doesn't mean it is not a flood zone anymore.
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LasVegasNerd283 days ago
+111
And the worst part is, there are other camps in that flood zone too. But none of them have deaths because they’re ACA accredited, and have protocols they follow for this, WHICH ARE TO KEEP CHILDREN ALIVE. Camp Mystic lost their ACA accreditation years ago because they refused to implement the safety protocols and procedures that are required by the ACA to maintain a camp in an area like that.
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samanime3 days ago
+58
Nobody should EVER send their kids to a non-ACA accredited camp. They do great work and it is serious business to be ACA accredited. And honestly, it isn't that onerous on a camp to implement.
If they don't, you should definitely stay the hell away.
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Sought_After3 days ago
+11
Thank you for this information.
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_XNine_3 days ago
+5
I mean, let's just not allow a camp if they don't follow those protocols. Pretty simple. Common sense isn't very common.
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CTeam193 days ago
+3
Another bad part to is the new "fiber internet" law camps have to have now. Like it doesn't even address the issues of Camp Mystic itself but is forcing other camps to shut down as the quoted price is in the millions.:
* https://www.kxan.com/independence-day-floods/19-texas-camps-sue-state-over-fiber-optic-internet-rules-imposed-after-deadly-floods/
* https://www.kbtx.com/2025/12/02/new-texas-legislation-cancels-volunteer-run-girl-scout-camp/
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steik3 days ago
+8
lol I did not hear about this. That law makes no sense. Why fiber specifically??? Fiber internet is basically unheard of in rural areas. Maybe they should've just passed a law requiring camps to have a NOAA radio instead? That would be too easy though...
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bros4023 days ago
+12
someone is getting a kickback
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CTeam193 days ago
+8
Yep, especially since, from experience as a former Scouting America Summer Camp Program Director, those camps will already have solid policies for those things. From 7:30AM to 6:00PM I carried the Camp's weather radio and had the main authority to call an emergency.
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LasVegasNerd283 days ago
+1
Yup. GS CIT here, there was always one person (usually the camp director) in the Big House with the weather radio at all times and a walkie talkie. ETA: and we had internet in the mountains lol dial up but internet. This whole law is definitely bogus and such a Texas thing
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Electricfox53 days ago
+9
Over a century of self-aggrandisement will do that to a state.
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xbad_wolfxi3 days ago
+12
Yup. My spouse works from home and his entire team is in Texas and we’re trying to gently encourage them to GTFO and move closer to us. They’re in one of the larger cities but still.
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SHABDICE3 days ago
+3
It's a lifelong Texan, I agree. People in Texas suck. I'm fortunate to live just outside Houston. The people I like most are the people who are not from here.
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LunchBoxMercenary3 days ago
+131
Isn’t this camp located in a town where they were getting funding from the Biden administration for shit like this and they said “nah dawg?”
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greenearrow3 days ago
+42
I don’t know the explanation, but none of them seem good. Accepting money may mean accepting audit requirements, so you say no so you don’t expose your existing clusterfuck. Or you are so politically motivated you can’t let the Dems have a win.
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fanglesscyclone3 days ago
+81
You should really give the town halls on this a watch, they are all begging the town to not take the money because it means Biden will steal their homes. Conservative media has completely melted the brains of so many rural americans.
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stealingreposts3 days ago
+34
They were worried wealthy people from Houston would benefit from the flood alarms. A lot of the kids that died were from Houston. The parents aren't pissed at them because they understand they were hoping to kill Democrats from Houston, unfortunately for them it killed a bunch of Conservatives kids.
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axonxorz3 days ago
+16
> begging the town to not take the money because it means Biden will steal their homes.
Double mad when the commissioner took the money anyway (literally said they didn't want it reallocated to a blue state) and spent it on new radio infrastructure and pay raises for the local sheriffs.
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bros4023 days ago
+9
Yes - and they were told by their federal representative (R) that the government couldn't take back the money as long as they kept it in the bank. Then they used it after Trump was reelected
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Piscator6293 days ago
+3
Here is short video explaining how that area is extremely flood prone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBE4vCCMaF8
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Antique_Maybe_83243 days ago
+1
In a nutshell, yeah. Pretty much
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jst4wrk76173 days ago
+23
>Under Texas administrative code, camps are required to report deaths to state health regulators within 24 hours. But during her testimony, Eastland said she did not do so.
>“I did not think of this requirement in the moments happening after the flood,” she told the court, adding she also had not done so before the camp filed its application to reopen in March.
>Asked whether she should do so now, with the camp license pending, she replied: “I guess so.”
>Eastland told the court that she could not recall exactly when she first learned campers had died, estimating that it may have been a day or several days after the 4 July flooding.
The incompetence is giving “Uvalde”. For such a “pro-life” state they don’t give an F about kids.
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infinitely-oblivious3 days ago
+20
As I sign up my own daughters for summer camp I can't imagine what the parents of these poor kids are going through. Not only to lose your beloved child but to then have to hear about all the steps that could have been taken to prevent this tragedy or at least minimize the losses. My understanding is that there was federal money made available to fix the flood zones, and it was turned down because it was from Biden.
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LasVegasNerd283 days ago
+29
Please make sure their camp is ACA accredited. Camp Mystic wasn’t, and the other camps in the area that didn’t lose campers were. ACA accreditation makes a world of difference.
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infinitely-oblivious3 days ago
+8
Don't worry I'm making sure. My girls are going to Girl Scout camp. Girl Scouts are about as good as it gets for safety and proper accreditation.
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90Carat3 days ago
+23
I'm assuming that once they submit the required reports, that opens the doors for big lawsuits and closing of the camp. That's the real reason why they "guess they should" submit the report.
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Good_Author_80171 day ago
+3
Wouldn’t that be something…… this was my first thought. They didn’t forget to do this, they purposely ignored the task.
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tryingtowritegoodly3 days ago
+22
> Asked whether she should do so now, with the camp license pending, she replied: “I guess so.”
These clowns should never have children in their care ever again.
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dabhard223 days ago
+21
For as much shit as I hear Texans give California, that state seems way more dangerous for its children and fails them time after time
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Jrecondite3 days ago
+9
She was able to save some children. Her own.
> She described how water poured into her home that night and how she broke a window to escape with her children to higher ground.
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[deleted]3 days ago
+33
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June_Fatality3 days ago
+20
Yes.
Source: Life-long Texas Resident
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JTibbs3 days ago
+4
I thought it was more like the Sunnydale Hellmouth, in that its a sealed portal to hell, but it attracts all sorts of demons and evil people to it.
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shouldbepracticing853 days ago
+1
Maybe that’s what’s in the caves leading to the Edwards Aquifer.
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Express-Citron-63873 days ago
+2
Ouch. I had to laugh.
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Legendary_win3 days ago
+9
Texas went to war *twice* to keep people enslaved, it was never a great place
Source: Life-long Texas Resident
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BrianOconneR343 days ago
+12
Bless her heart, she believes kids are still out there waiting to be rescued. wtf.
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androvich173 days ago
+13
how is this family not bankrupt from civil lawsuits????
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carolinemathildes3 days ago
+14
Because it’s been less than a year and lawsuits take time. Families are absolutely suing them, as mentioned in the article.
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bluelily2163 days ago
+19
"He said that earlier action could have saved lives, but maintained that they could not have anticipated the scale of the storm."
It cannot be understated how much this is DOGE's fault. As soon as they cut weather services and stopped using even *our* military satellites to watch storms, this became an inevitability.
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steik3 days ago
+16
This is not DOGE's fault IMO. There was a flood watch and a flood warning. The camp was oblivious to both. A NOAA radio and a response plan would have saved them but they had neither.
The response plan literally could've been "walk to higher ground" in the event of a flood warning and no one would've died.
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Glum-Height-20493 days ago
+15
It's worse than that. They weren't oblivious, they got the flood warning hours before the children died. They moved their family members, who live there, to higher ground, and left the kids in their cabins. Only at the last second did the owner go down there to try and evacuate them by bus/truck, just to have it washed away and kill everyone on it. Other nearby cabins which were evacuated to I believe a dining hall survived. The dining hall was like 5 minutes walk away. They were 5 minutes from safety, with hours to make it there. F****** awful.
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Express-Citron-63873 days ago
+2
You are right.
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dedsqwirl3 days ago
+2
OfIn Michigan they have free storm alert radios. They are passed out at certain retailers.
The one I have goes off for thunderstorms, tornadoes and flooding. The thing costs $40.
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bluelily2163 days ago
+3
I'm not saying negligence didn't play a part, I'm just pointing out that it's become harder to predict weather thanks to DOGE cuts. Pretty soon they might have to make a new Category 6 for hurricanes, and our ability to track the weather has been crippled.
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LasVegasNerd283 days ago
+9
No, as much as I hate DOGE, the blame for this lies solely on the Eastlands. They committed negligent homicide. There were several other camps in the area that had zero deaths. Why? Because they maintained their ACA accreditation, which requires certain safety precautions, procedures and protocols to ensure things like this don’t happen. Camp Mystic got the same warnings as everyone else but due to a lack of training, priorities, and safeguards, 27 girls are dead and 1 is still missing.
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bluelily2163 days ago
+1
I think it's both, but more importantly, I think it's going to continue happening. They've crippled our ability to predict the weather and we're going to get stronger and stronger storms thanks to climate change.
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No_Handle4993 days ago
+1
Oh please. That's silly. As stated here in prev months, a simple blast by Dickie Eastland of an air horn from his front porch for everyone to hear (much less using the actual f****** camp loudspeakers still operational as late as ~3am) instructing to head to higher ground after receiving the flood alert at 1:14 am (all of Kerr County received), Dickie could have kept his feet dry and everyone still alive
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bluelily2163 days ago
+1
Hard disagree.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2025/03/25/weather-balloon-program-doge-cuts/82638580007/
https://apnews.com/article/weather-forecasts-worsen-doge-trump-cuts-tornado-da573a044916c06cebcdb92b1f1452e6
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/17/opinion/weather-service-doge-cuts.html
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/01/nx-s1-5313131/doge-cuts-at-noaa-will-impact-hurricane-forecasting-and-data-gathering-on-storms
And it's only going to get worse.
WTH? She still has not reported the deaths even though under "Texas administrative code, camps are required to report deaths to state health regulators within 24 hours. But during her testimony, Eastland said she did not do so". Anyone in Texas planning to send their daughters there after 27 children and counsellors died?
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DoBronx21443 days ago
+10
Is that why Texas lists OD deaths as suicides? Cause we don’t have THAT kind of problem here?
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alfamale733 days ago
+10
Christian summer camp?
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MortimerDongle3 days ago
+8
Of course
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Kitakitakita3 days ago
+6
didn't the camp reach their limit of applications this year and had to turn people away?
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HoneyBadgerBlunt3 days ago
+3
Yeah. They didn't start out being accountable, can't imagine they will start without arrests and threats to their money. These people are scum.
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Sea-Bicycle-44843 days ago
+8
It’s absolutely obscene that these greedy shit stains are trying to reopen this camp.
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Software_Quiet3 days ago
+4
What parent would want to send their kids to that camp now? What kid would want to go to a camp full of vengeful ghost kids?
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hybridaaroncarroll3 days ago
+6
"I prayed over them so Jesus knows, and that's all that matters."
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Chicken653 days ago
+2
and families are still sending their kids here...
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bre111019 hr ago
+2
What gets a reaction out of me is the two parents who didn’t get the calls or texts that the other unaccounted for parents recieved. Instead, they got a mass email to parents who’s kids were accounted for, saying if they haven’t been contacted then their child is ok. Hours of believing that, but she wasn’t. It’s unacceptable as they allegedly had a pretty accurate estimate of how many and who wasn’t accounted for early on, and assuredly then proceeded to send those emails. Chaotic natural disasters obviously are what they are, and prioritizing what to focus on in the midst of it creates confusion, that is exactly why those things should’ve been planned and practiced just like fire drills are. Especially given where they were located(something like the top 3rd most dangerous flooding zone in the country iirc). But they seemingly had no flooding evacuation plan, police weren’t called until hours later and we know they were recording and able to make phone calls. Canoes needed securing at 2am after flood alerts lead to communicating over walkie talkies, so adults sleeping through alerts doesn’t cut it for me. The ones who were up and aware did not do enough leading up to this. If canoes on land need securing, you need to take equal precautions for the cabin that’s closest to the water that’s knowingly in a flood plain and holds the youngest of the campers. I can somewhat understand not paying close enough attention to every alert after the initial one, given it gets you up and moving and is taken seriously, but it’s not clear that that’s how it went down. And unfortunately, no one knows the difference it would’ve made, but the evacuation of the twin cabins should not have been executed the way they attempted to.
They only way I can see them not being found negligent is by act of god. /s
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brentjk13 days ago
+6
Texas gonna Texas. This is what they voted for.
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MortimerDongle3 days ago
+8
As much as the camp owners are at fault (and they are) where the f*** was the government? What a****** approved putting cabins in a floodway? Or does Texas just not have any real inspections or regulations for summer camps? I guess that wouldn't be surprising.
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Negative_Gravitas3 days ago
+4
"Hey now, those kids might still be out there! We don't know. 8-year-olds are Scrappy," Eastland added.
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fonduelovertx3 days ago
+5
This was a camp for rich white girls. The law doesn't apply to the Elite.
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bakeacake453 days ago
+6
Texans truly do not care about their children
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ellsego3 days ago
+6
Okay, there 30 f****** million of us…. Plenty of us care deeply about our children and children generally… this is horrific, but please be more nuanced in how you approach the world.
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bakeacake453 days ago
+8
Texas consistently fails its children and as Texas becomes more radicalized it’s far right policies AP have made the situation worse for both children and women. Texas voted against its kids, its courts can’t even to be bothered to prosecute 80% of child rapists, and school shooting are sadly common. Heck, during last years floods camp owner couldn’t be bothered to to pay attention to flood warning and killed how many little girls???
Something is deeply deeply wrong morally with Texans.
- 43rd in the nation for education
- 44th in the nation for child health care
- Even Fox News is reporting that Texas is THE most dangerous state for children to live in.
https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/01/21/these-are-top-10-most-dangerous-states-kids-live-study-says/
https://cw33.com/news/texas/texas-is-8th-worst-state-for-childrens-health-wallethub-study/
https://everytexan.org/2024/06/12/2024-kids-count-national-data-book-texas-still-fails-its-children/
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Late_Mixture87033 days ago
They aren't approaching the world, only the one star state of texas...
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homerj3 days ago
+3
About par for Texas isn't it?
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TeacherOfThingsOdd3 days ago
+1
Yahweh requires his sacrifices. He likes first born and floods..
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No_Handle4993 days ago
+1
Unfortunately Eastlands should be very worried about criminal charges. And state agencies that approved of their operation prior to re: licensing , do they have any culpability here?
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Living_Natural182919 hr ago
+1
Her filing the proper paperwork after the kids died means less to me than preventing the deaths in the first place.
Why are y’all focused on the paperwork so much?
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Pantsickle3 days ago
+1
She's probably just waiting for more death statistics to rack up from any future avoidable disasters and then report them all at once.
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