To a chunk of the population this is all Justin Trudeau's fault and we never had immigration until his tenure.
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nekonight5 days ago
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The loopholes existed since the immigration system was established. There was fixes applied over the years whenever the loopholes was exploited in mass. But under trudeau several loopholes was made very clear and not addressed or outright told to Canadians that its just your imagination. That is what caused a lot of people to be angry about trudeau era immigration policies.
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Ketroc214 days ago
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I mean, immigration did basically double post-covid to today's unsustainable levels. Immigration systems will always have issues, but putting blame on the Trudeau gov does seem appropriate here.
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IamRasters5 days ago
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Canada has a non-sustaining birth rate of 1.2 and post Covid there was a mass demand and lack of entry level workforce not being fulfilled (yeah, shit jobs for shit pay). We just didn’t want what we needed. The challenge is new Canadians want a better life than slave labour (and crime that comes with poverty).
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ashoka_akira5 days ago
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Thats why they allow the loopholes, low paid workers from other countries allow them to keep wages low. If Canadian businesses had to compete more for Canadian workers, even of the low skilled entry level variety, it would naturally drive wages up.
I am actually pro immigration when it benefits Canada and ensures all newcomers are well vetted and given the proper support they need to integrate in Canada. I am anti immigration when its used to benefit the owner class, and just creates situations where immigrants are treated like a subclass of disposable workers to the greater disadvantage of the Canadian working class as a whole.
I feel the same about the housing crisis and foreign ownership. If you want to buy a house in Canada and live in it and become a Canadian, then great, welcome! If you just want to let it sit empty because it’s an investment you can use to bolster your portfolio in a completely different country? Then please f*** off.
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HumanBeingForReal5 days ago
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Bruh it’s crazy that you just lap up the corporate propaganda that we didn’t have the workforce to meet the demand. In actuality, the corporations freaked out because for the first time in like 50 years the working class actually had some negotiating leverage due to CERB and other covid benefits. To counter the prospect of having to pay marginally more for labour, they lobbied the government to flood the market with hundreds of thousands of people dying to work any job for any wage in order to secure permanent residency. I’m so tired of hearing people like you regurgitate that bullshit. F*** off.
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Austoman5 days ago
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Im just going to say there is a generalization going on that needs to be clarified.
Large Corporations vs Small Corporations.
Yes, large corporations want wages to be as low as possible to benefit their shareholders and executives. Its complete BS greed that needs to be stopped with those wages increasing to better fit modern living needs.
No, not all corporations are large corporations offering low wages for greed. Small corporations have to remain competitive and in order to do that the wages they offer end up being similar to large corporations, because large corporations get better deals on materials, equipment, and financing. So small corporationd pay more to operate and thus cannot afford to pay higher wages, even if they want to to atteact more/better employees.
So, if the complaint is that a wage being offered by a large corporation is low, then it is completely valid as it is well known that they could afford to pay their employees more and choose not to.
If the complaint is that all wages are bad because all corporations are greedy, then no that is not realistic. Small corporations frequently cannot afford to pay more and thus they scrape by each year staying in business to pay themselves and their employees while working in the hopes of becoming better.
For those small business, especially manual labour like construction, the modern work force is incredibly small. Immigration is needed to have enough people willing to do the work at the maximum wage that the smaller corporations can afford. Anecdotally, those wages are frequently higher than the actual output provided by many employees resulting in projects that lose money. The result is that small corporations frequently yoyo between losing money and just barely being profitable. Thats why so many small businesses close during economic strife (covid and etc) because they go from scraping by to not being able to pay their bills and going bankrupt very quickly.
So immigration is incredibly important for small businesses to operate and lucrative for large business to abuse wages. The solution shouldnt be to stop immigration, the solution should be to punish or get the fair value from large corporations. Tax the large corporations in a way that benefits canadians while limiting the costs to small corporations, aka a corporate wealth tax.
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DifficultSwim5 days ago
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Of course we did, but until he took office the numbers were manageable... but you can't sit there and argue that going from \~250K/year to over 400K/year is somehow not his government's fault... or that the blatant abuse of the TFW program wasn't a result of his government taking a blind eye to the issue...
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Oddgar5 days ago
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As an American, I've never understood why people don't like other people immigrating to their country.
Surely what they bring is a net positive, and you only stand to lose if you are a member of the established dominant political or ethnic group and are concerned that your power relative to other groups will be diminished.
People in my country often say it's not racism, they just don't want sharia law in the US, but when you look at what our government is doing, you kinda question what exactly it is people who are against immigration DO want, because personally, I don't think they want what's happening.(I'm being coy here, we all know they want an authoritarian christo-facist dictatorship. That's their literal stated end goal.)
Seeing increased immigration numbers and immediately equating it to a bad thing is itself very telling of the inner working of your mind and values.
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phoenix255 days ago
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As a Canadian - we don’t dislike immigration, it’s just that it was being allowed at a rate that was completely unsustainable.
The bulk of the immigration was being done through student visas. We had diploma mill “schools” popping up in strip malls, collecting a ton of cash from these students who got their visa to attend a hospitality major there, never show up to class, and never leave after their “program” was done. Even the more legitimate colleges made bank on churning these students outs, adding bullshit majors like “fast food management” (I’m not joking).
College towns were becoming crisis level overpopulated, health care resources folding. I’m a paramedic in one of those college cities, we would walk into student rental houses that had mattresses on the floor in every nook and cranny. You could see ads online for room rentals where you shared the room with someone else. It was getting insane.
Canada is fine with immigration, just not like that. Sustainable, legitimate, and distributed through the country please.
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Oddgar5 days ago
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I don't d******* your anecdote, collect enough of them and they become data after all.
But I am suspicious of anyone willing to speak for a collective.
I'm sure most Canadians are fine with immigration, because the data supports that most people everywhere in the world are fine with immigration. Less so for emmigration, but that's for entirely different reasons.
I agree that a system which is easily abused should be iterated on until the abuse is manageable. (You'll never be able to entirely remove the abuse.)
But my personal philosophy is that a population boom is untapped potential, wasted potential if the government doesn't immediately move to support it.
Maybe that's old fashioned. The government of my country at the very least seems much more interested in replacing most of us with AI if they manage it before the financial collapse kicks in.
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phoenix255 days ago
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Trust me, we still have a population boom. The majority of new Canadians who came over as students are now raising young families of their own. Their kids will be paying my pension when I retire. This is a good thing.
Canada just really needed to slow the rate down while our infrastructure caught up. My area’s three hospitals are all under construction right now for expansion.
If we’re having people come in, they need to have a chance for a successful healthy life as well. But when they can’t even find a job at a grocery store due to volume of applicants, they are being set up to fail. No one was winning before.
There is a larger argument about moving to less densely populated areas, but for the Indians in particular I understand the reluctance. Canadians can be super racist, and it can be hard to get a job as an ESL if you don’t have managers willing to help you. It’s predictable human behaviour to want to stay where it’s easier on you to function… hence the need for more regulation (like Canada capping the number of students to provinces with the highest rates).
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Oddgar5 days ago
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There is also an argument to be made that the rate of infrastructure development should simply be increased.
Economist are reluctant to do that for fear that you build too much infrastructure, but having lived through the 2008 housing market collapse (caused by the refusal to build affordable homes, instead focusing on expensive investor properties.), the dotcom bubble bursting (rate of investment not matching rate of wealth extraction), and now an ongoing crisis of refusing to adapt to modern energy methods and stubbornly relying on fossil fuels when locally manufactured alternatives are not only viable but also the cheapest...
It's never been my experience that having too much infrastructure is ever the actual problem. Just greed. Greed and racism.
Plus, don't all the conservatives like low wages due to an abundantly competitive job market? They certainly do here.
Immigration isn't a real problem in the US, it's entirely imaginary in the heads of racists or the ill informed who are being told that it's real. Be cautious, Canada has been showing a lot of political similarity in recent years. Don't let them do to you what they are doing to us.
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phoenix255 days ago
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They are increasing infrastructure, but it takes time. The funding and planning process of a hospital takes years alone.
Check out the graph on this site, people are not kidding when they bash Trudeau-era immigration. The rates went parabolic.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/canadas-changing-immigration-patterns-2000-2024
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joelfarris4 days ago
+5
> I've never understood why people don't like other people immigrating to their country
> Surely what they bring is a net positive
> I am suspicious of anyone willing to speak for a collective
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SkiingAway5 days ago
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Canada has not had the job creation, housing creation, or anything else to support that level of immigration. Quality of life has been degrading dramatically up there in recent years with the extreme housing price inflation and weak job market.
Canada also has a significantly stronger "welfare state" (not an insult) than in the US, which means that a person who immigrates there but isn't contributing to society is a much larger direct drain on public finances/social services and the ability to continue to provide them at the same standard for existing Canadians.
And because the loopholes were so easily exploited, a great deal of the people Canada was getting were basically uneducated people with no skills, people who were the least equipped to help drive economic growth in Canada.
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Beyond this, Canada's population is relatively small and most immigrants were coming from 1-2 specific countries that have many, many times Canada's population.
There is some kind of reasonable middle ground between the "I believe my country should always have a majority of my ethnic/racial group" view and "I don't want to import more than our entire population from one specific country and quite literally turn into that country".
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Oddgar5 days ago
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All of those problems are very solvable, and the politics that rail against immigration, also rails against solving those problems.
It comes down to good old fashioned human greed.
Building more houses would create more jobs.
Expanding medical education grants would lessen healthcare wait times and create more jobs.
More jobs means more taxes collected.
And uneducated people with no skills are the vast majority of every population in every country in the world. There is an inverse corelation with high earners and taxes paid. The individuals who contribute most to taxes and reap the fewest benefits are the uneducated and unskilled who provide the absolute bulk of tax revenue in the first place.
The problems of Canada are extremely familiar to your southern neighbors, and I suspect the solutions are just as obvious, and avoided for the same reasons by the same kinds of people who hold the same kind of political views.
Just as in the US, not everyone in Canada who opposes immigration is necessarily racist, they could just be poorly or misinformed, but to the people concentrating wealth into an ever shrinking group of elites, that works out to be about the same: Useful.
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pineapples-424 days ago
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The immigration we've been seeing here is absolutely not a net positive.
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09f3jns5 days ago
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Not every person in society is a net positive to society. This is true of immigrants and natural citizens.
A simple example would be the career criminal, who wastes a taxpayer-funded public education, then commits crimes against society, and uses more tax dollars while incarcerated, never meaningfully contributing to society.
Another example: The penniless elderly immigrant who is beyond their working years. That person will need to be supported by society and will never give more to the tax base than they consume.
So we should not aim to import as many people as possible under the assumption of "the more the merrier." We should only bring in people who speak the most common language, have some understanding of the culture, and have a desirable skill set.
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Oddgar5 days ago
You do not understand what "net" means.
Net is the total after accounting for positive and negative. Therefore a net gain means you have than you started with after deducting losses.
A single person is never the net effect because that doesn't make any sense.
An individual can be a net positive or negative if we are talking about the sum of all of their qualities (i.e. "he's a nice guy, and he gives to charity, but he occasionally gives bad birthday gifts so he's a net positive but I dont like him"), but that's not what you were doing.
Most people are good people.
Most people want to do good things.
Therefore immigration is a net gain, because most people contribute more than they detract.
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09f3jns5 days ago
+2
Did you think countries based their immigration decisions on how nice people seem?
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Oddgar5 days ago
Bad faith comparison.
That's not what I said, and you know it isn't.
Get back to me when you have an argument and a functional understanding of basic word meanings.
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09f3jns5 days ago
+4
Dude, seriously, your argument is "Most people are a net positive to society because most people are good people."
We're talking about resource management. Not feelings.
An immigrant who can't hold down a job and needs government assistance to survive is not a net positive on society. The government resources that go towards this person could have gone towards its own citizens. There's no way you don't understand such a basic concept.
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Cicer3 days ago
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He certainly seemed to exacerbate the problem.
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neometrix773 days ago
+1
The biggest mistake was not adjusting the immigration intake for the COVID slow down in infrastructure improvements, and simply issuing the same number of visas throughout the lockdowns.
They did eventually react but only when Trudeau’s approval rating was already dead in the gutter. Like the student visa cutbacks and planned population stagnation we have happening now were his government’s changes, not Carney’s, but most people on most Canadian Listnook posts are too blinded by rage at him to notice that apparently.
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Ok-Crow-15155 days ago
+4
We never had mass unchecked immigration until him. And now we're screwed.
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jordan8534 days ago
+4
Okay Grandpa let's get you to bed
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Ok-Crow-15154 days ago
So naive or stupid I'm not sure which one. Go back to your game.
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PozhanPop3 days ago
How's life in the basement ?
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CatOnMyHead5 days ago
+9
Better late than never.
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McMatey_Pirate5 days ago
+8
Right?
Like I get the Trudeau hate because his last few years were shit.
Now that we elected a Liberal leader that is starting to tackle these problems properly it’s still not good enough.
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neometrix773 days ago
+2
I get Trudeau made some major f*** ups, but it annoys me so much how people are giving Carney credit for Trudeau’s immigration reforms. The reforms were mostly kickstarted in Trudeau’s last 2 years in the PMO. Student visa cutbacks and planned population stagnation were Trudeau’s policies (albeit reactive ones).
I feel like people on many Canadian immigration Listnook posts have gold fish memory or were simply somehow completely unaware of the policy announcement news cycle back then (2023-2024). Really Carney hasn’t really changed anything on the immigration front.
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Haru1st4 days ago
+1
No time like the present
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jabba-thederp5 days ago
+150
I'm pleasantly surprised listnook has a take that's normal and based in reality regarding this
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Lard5235 days ago
+22
It’s been quite the societal chance in the last year, everyone is fed up with us taking in so many people and not having the ability to care for them.
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lo_mur5 days ago
+14
Arabs and Africans are pretty damn easy targets too honestly, there’s just way less of ‘em in Canada so people care less about them
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porktasti5 days ago
+13
I think they're the most difficult groups to criticize. The media sympathizes with them the most and writes all those identitarian opinion pieces and PC stuff.
You don't hear anything about murders and attacks on Indians in Canada, but if this was Muslims there would be tons of think tanks exposing an increase in Islamophobia
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SeveredBanana5 days ago
+2
? Tons of the Indian immigrants that have moved here are Muslim. Maybe even most of them
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phoenix255 days ago
+1
You don’t hear about attacks specifically on one demographic in general though. You’ll hear about it if it’s motivated against a religious group or homophobic, but if it’s person on person the news doesn’t usually frame it as racism.
I’ve totally seen news articles about vandalism of Sikh temples, so your comment really doesn’t make sense.
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SwimmingDownstream5 days ago
+94
Wait are you telling me these fraudulent immigration consultants aren't being charged with crimes and instaad they're letting the "college" of immigration consultants discipline them??
Lol
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kanuck845 days ago
+38
They /are/ going to be disciplined. A “college”, in this context, is the Canadian word for “regulator”. For instance, the College of Physicians for a province regulates doctors and if there is misconduct, it can bring disciplinary proceedings, fine them, pull their license, recommend criminal charges, etc.
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Direct-Device46855 days ago
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As usual, they ruin it for everyone else with legit reasons.
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Old_Leshen5 days ago
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It was crazy when the indigenous people said the same thing.
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VirtueTree5 days ago
+2
Was it the French or the English
And really I think you’re proving the opposite point
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Umikaloo5 days ago
+10
So tired of people making a big performance of tiptoeing around racism.
Like, what do you gain by going "HEY EVERYBODY, I'M ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT <<<*SOME PEOPLE>>>* WILL SAY IS RACIST, LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!"?
Just say what you f****** think rather than posturing about some sort of perceived persecution.
It's not racist to want people to follow the law. But it **IS** racist to target particular demographics based on the assumption that they won't follow the law.
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+7
No, it is not "racist" to plan to for what has been previously demonstrated. If a certain group has a higher than average incidence of doing the wrong thing, why not limit that group? They set the precendence. It's common sense and should be done much more often.
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porktasti5 days ago
+2
Sure, go ahead and say it, though it is racist. Just know you're cowardly enough to mass downvote people who point out your hypocrisy.
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
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Go ahead and say what? I already did say it's not racist. Indians are contributing to large amounts of immigration scams in Canada. It's a fact. That's what the article is about. Deal with it. This is hilarous.
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porktasti5 days ago
+6
"Muslims are contributing to a lot of terrorism in the West".
"black people are contributing a lot of crime in the West"
You can say this right?
Look actually, I don't care that you think Indians are contributing to fraud in your country as long as you aren't a hypocrite and a coward
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
-1
I can say whatever I want. Why do you keep doing this? Who was talking about terrorism or crime in the West?
You absolutely do care what I think about Indians or you wouldn't constantly respond. Everyone is a hypocrite in some way, but no I'm not a coward, if that makes any difference.
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AyiHutha5 days ago
+1
You don't punish an individual for the actions of another individual. All individuals who break immigration law must be deported as it shows an unwillingness to respect the host country, but you don't discriminate against an individual based on the actions or views of another.
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PhantasmologicalAnus4 days ago
-1
Denying someone entry to a country is not punishment, as they had no right to it, in the first place. We owe these people precisely nothing. We can and should discriminate a whole lot more.
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AyiHutha4 days ago
+1
People who try to push collective punishment and discrimination as some sensible policy always come out as chuds trying to sound intellectual.
You cannot deny a person entry to a country solely based on their perceived identity. If you are going to allow another person in then you should allow the Indian in as well.
>We can and should discriminate a whole lot more.
Look at Mr. Loser trying to have feel powerful on the internet LMAO.
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PhantasmologicalAnus4 days ago
We do not and never did owe anyone the automatic right to visit or live here.
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AyiHutha4 days ago
+1
Now changing what you said after going full edgelords Chud LMAO. You said.
>We can and should discriminate a whole lot more.
ROFLMAO.
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PhantasmologicalAnus3 days ago
Where did I change what I said? We should be using a whole lot more of the discriminatory powers we have to deny large groups of people entry to this country. Because we don't owe anyone entry. We are completely free to pick and choose, to deny for any reason whatsoever.
I hope to see more of it, soon.
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porktasti5 days ago
-64
I love how Canadians act like it's so brave to say not-PC things about Indians. XD We all know Indians are by far the easiest to attack compared to Arabs or Africans or most groups.
Also please don't weaponize the word "Hindu nationalist" again since you consider yourself completely normal for being anti immigration.
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Sad_Interaction22785 days ago
+30
No one said Indians and you knew what they were talking about. That is the problem.
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porktasti5 days ago
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I was talking about double standards, especially with how you're too afraid to criticize other kinds of immigrants, not the problem itself.
And the only reason I knew it was Indians is because you guys really aren't PC at all. I only knew about Indian immigration in Canada because of Canadians mentioning them and whining. I've seen several posts literally planning to murder Indians on Canadian subs.
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Sad_Interaction22785 days ago
+19
Planning to murder? Oh man. You are a joke.
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porktasti5 days ago
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Lol. I wish it was a joke. There was posts where you were all planning to "jump" Indians and kill as many as you can because they were "ruining Canadian culture".
Here is a screenshot of one of them https://i.imgur.com/FAqHx0p.jpeg
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+4
Everyone? One person made some post on imgur (no I didn't bother to look at it) and that means literally everyone is going to do that, does it?
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porktasti5 days ago
Don't put words into my mouth. I didnt say everyone was going to do it, but you sure don't hold back when it comes to Indians
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+1
But you did say that. It's right there for everyone to see:
You: "There was posts where you were all planning to "jump" Indians and kill as many as you can because they were "ruining Canadian culture"."
You made that comment.
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gdex5 days ago
+8
As someone who used to live in her riding the immigration minister Lena metlidge-Diab is a spineless idiot who wouldn’t answer you straight if you asked her if the sky was blue
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Superb-Home26475 days ago
+110
Toothless change and doesn't do anything to stop people from buying jobs/citizenship through the LMIA process.
Some people are paying $40k as a bribe to employers for a trucking or management job as it offers an easier path to citizenship.
Many times the person owes the fee to the employer who takes their passport and abuses the worker.
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+10
If you do that to cheat the system, you do not deserve sympathy when you are taken advantage of. The employers should pocket the money and dob them in.
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DigitaIBlack5 days ago
-20
I'm sorry, *what*?
That's a f****** wild take
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+27
When you lie, cheat and steal, you're might face consequences for it. What, things are supposed to easy for people like this? *What*?
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CreativeJelly54964 days ago
+3
Whats a wild take
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DigitaIBlack4 days ago
That employers should just take the money and turn them in
Like they're not the bigger problem here
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porktasti5 days ago
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Cowardly people of Canada know that Indians are the only immigrant/ minority that you can label as taking "advantage" of the majority for behaving badly. It's pathetic.
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+26
So bribing your way past everyone else isn't pathetic?
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porktasti5 days ago
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Let's say both are pathetic, but racist scum like you will always point at Indians.
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+21
Indians are not over represented with regard to immigration scams in Canada?
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porktasti5 days ago
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Sure that's not racist. But if you have a problem with someone saying either Arabs or Africans are overrepresented in other faults, then you sound like a racist hypocrite
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PhantasmologicalAnus5 days ago
+24
Why do yo keep talking about Arabs and Africans when no one mentioned them and the article doesn't mention them?
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filkirt5 days ago
+20
Because he/she, like a typical Indian nationalist, whines about how everyone is racist to Indians while being racist to everyone else.
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BoneZone055 days ago
+7
As is tradition
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steddy245 days ago
+4
This smells of bullshit
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lo_mur5 days ago
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You clearly haven’t heard many people’s views on Canada’s indigenous peoples lol, they’re the original “They’re taking advantage of us!” in Canada. Hell, that idea predates the country itself
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DigitaIBlack5 days ago
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I'm sorry, *what*?
That's a f****** wild take
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verardi5 days ago
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you cannot buy citizenship through the LMIA process!
stop inventing shit, it hurts your message!
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Registeredfor5 days ago
+25
Reading comprehension. LMIA offers a pathway to PR, which offers a pathway to citizenship. So yes, citizenship can indirectly be purchased
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nguyenm5 days ago
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I'd just apply Quebec's Laïcité to immigration, as I believe only through staunce uncompromising, and unapologetic atheism could Canada be selective in whom can integrate in Canadian society.
A potential newcomer's willingness to accept irreligiosity signify a commitment to change, adaptability, and strict adherence to Canadian laws-based morals where it overrides any clergy-based/clergy-induced morals one onced had.
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SwimmingDownstream5 days ago
+3
Why tout atheism though? Isn't it about the freedom to practice ones own belief - without affecting others?
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Oddgar5 days ago
+2
Probably because it's functionally impossible to implement laws that don't impact the religions of practicers of faith, but also prevent the religious from intruding on the rights of those outside their faith.
I.e. law preventing prayers on public sidewalks restricts faith but supports those not in it.
And a law guaranteeing the right to pray on public sidewalks infirnges on the rights of those who are not a member of that faith.
So atheism means you don't have to worry about any religious groups putting their religious beliefs about law and fairness above the law and fairness of the culture in which they live. Human rights can be for humans instead of ideas.
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Professional-One9725 days ago
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Like what? This sounds like typical small dicked nativism.
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porktasti5 days ago
+14
What because he seems to be implying Muslims instead of Indians with a "bad culture"?
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loggywd5 days ago
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What Canadian value? If you talking about Machiavellianism which Liberals profess, they align perfectly.
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porktasti5 days ago
+16
Do you have any thoughts of your own? I really mean it
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Celestial_Dysgenesis5 days ago
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Only Canadian value you get is in Canadian Tire money and roll up the rim.
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r3d_rage5 days ago
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Yeh this is a catchy headline, without actually doing anything Canadians have been complaining about. All they said is that they're going to do is address "licensed immigration consultants". So no they're not gonna reduce immigration numbers, not gonna remove LMIA scams, not gonna do anything really.
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AkaiAshu5 days ago
+70
Canada's population went down for the first time because of reductions in immigration and cancelling permits to stay in Canada. So yeah, Carney is actually reversing migration trend in Canada.
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randomkanuck5 days ago
+11
It went down 100 000 assuming all 500 000 permits that expired didn't request new permits, change what permit they were on, or apply for a different stream or didn't overstay without status.
If you actually think the pop went down I have a nice shiny bridge to sell you.
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mehatliving5 days ago
+13
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/140926/dq140926b-eng.htm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-population-decline-first-time-9.7133643
It held flat, it did not decrease by any meaningful number. It’s also gone up by 6+ million people since 2014. Before 2014 we held around 1% immigration for 30 years, as stated in the statistics Canada article. It’s been more than double since and needs to be flat for 3-4 years to see any meaningful change.
Applauding doing the bare minimum for a problem they created is ludicrous. They still owe us much much more.
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r3d_rage5 days ago
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Which is still not enough.
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Kanavster5 days ago
+10
It’s a step in the right direction. Take the win.
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[deleted]5 days ago
-30
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r3d_rage5 days ago
+23
You're a joke, too high immigration has negative effects but morons like you call it racist to avoid that discussion.
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livinitup05 days ago
Can you explain this in more detail?
Is Canada experiencing an overcrowding problem of some kind? Is there another reason why immigrants aren’t welcomed?
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porktasti5 days ago
-18
Sure, understandable. As long as there are no double standards when it comes to MAGA as well.
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BeerBaronsNewHat5 days ago
+2
interesting, the gov't has literally lowered the number.
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porktasti5 days ago
-26
I love how Canadians are going to still maintain a moral highground over MAGAs. So much cognitive dissonance.
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Fezdani5 days ago
+21
Literally everyone has the moral high ground over magas.
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whiskybottle5 days ago
+2
It's pretty easy to maintain the high ground over a bunch of corrupt pedophiles.
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fury4204 days ago
+2
Should the nearest Subway franchisee really be allowed to import sandwich artists from halfway around the world?
How about the cleaners for that Subway? The supervisor?
When I grew up the employees were people from the neighborhood, who attended the local school, now the franchisee exploits the LMIA system to import their countrymen.
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CreativeJelly54964 days ago
Just stfu dude, you are just a troll
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Ok-Pair45475 days ago
+18
Doesn't Canada understand that listnook deemed this a conspiracy theory 5+ years ago? Why are they focusing on settled topics?
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RM_r_us5 days ago
+1
We started getting annoyed when students here on temporary visas committed crimes and once caught and sentenced to deportation, then claimed refugee status.
Also something like 80% of asylum seekers have very similar stories usually focused on being bisexuality and at risk of persecution...and their wife and kids need asylum too.
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AccomplishedSoft13505 days ago
+29
Pathetic changes. Like trying to put a bandaid on an axe wound.
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YourLoveLife5 days ago
+22
What have they been doing the past 11 years?
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decimalinteger5 days ago
+21
Allowing and encouraging this to continue while enjoying their corporate bribes for enabling wage suppression
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freeSoundd5 days ago
+6
Making money for themselves at our expense
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DemonInjected5 days ago
+4
Big like bolting the barn door when the horse is already out...
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cloxacillin5 days ago
+13
Cries in India
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sg19point35 days ago
+2
misleading title! Most people below comment as they are anti immigration, but it is about unqualified consultants, not immigration
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InterMilan04 days ago
+2
So being pro immigration reform is no longer racist? … Thank you. I have no hope for this country.
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mafugga775 days ago
+11
Canada is quickly turning into Kundi-ville
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PozhanPop4 days ago
Kindly explain what Kundi means ?
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Cicer3 days ago
+2
IDK but they have pompoms on their cars.
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Fun-Can-89355 days ago
+13
good. canadian values need to be protected
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freeSoundd5 days ago
Its not good. Their immigration policies have been completely radical for over a decade, the damage is done and they are doing next to NOTHING to fix it.
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PozhanPop4 days ago
+2
NDP Supply and Confidence, really added fuel to fire. 1000s upon 1000s slipped in from the leader's home province.
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loreleiofthefungi5 days ago
What are Canadian values?
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Cicer3 days ago
+5
Lining up, signalling when changing lanes, and appreciating personal space. Also wearing deodorant.
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BobTheFettt4 days ago
+1
Please scrap the Temporary Foreign Workers program. It does nothing but take advantage of desperate people and suppress wages for all Canadians
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PhDinDildos_Fedoras5 days ago
-1
"combat immigration" sounds serious
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thismadhatter4 days ago
i read "Combat Immigration" and thought it was some unsanctioned fight club for immigrants.
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ChoSubin4 days ago
That wasn't expected at all
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BunchTypical92744 days ago
Send them all back strategically and start anew. They can’t complain…we don’t owe them a thing
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rleondk5 days ago
-35
Native Americans should also announce “retroactive” reforms to combat immigration, citizenship scams.
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Old_Leshen5 days ago
-3
What a crazy idea.
It's a like a bunch of people came in and decided that they are going to exploit the natives and won't allow others to exploit anything.
Such a bunch of good guys./s
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8cuban5 days ago
-6
What’s “combat immigration” and why are the Canadians reforming it? Is that like an invasion or something? Does Trump know about this and does he have a plan to keep us safe from it?
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EkruGold4 days ago
-1
Hopefully we stop handing out citizenship to people from dangerous/less important countries like pizza flyers.
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Accurate-Survey69855 days ago
-25
Certainly needs sweeping change.
Combat Immigration is challenging dynamics.
You don't just LET a f****** war DRIFT into your country.
It's supposed to be an established war zone, not something that just SNEAKS in.
"Heyyyy it's all nice and peaceful......oh LOOOOOOK Combat is just edging right in to the cities and towns".
Before long, everything is green, makes no sense, and costs a f*** ton of money.
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rleondk5 days ago
-32
Native Americans should also announce “retroactive” reforms to combat immigration, citizenship scams.
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