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Entegy Apr 8, 2026 +254

This is a surprising floor crossing. Yes, she's an engineer. But she is anti-vax, anti-LGBT, opposed banning conversion therapy and wrote a private member bill trying to declare December Christian Heritage Month. In a country whose charter of rights starts with declaring the supremacy of God. Quintessential caricature of the modern conservative. I know the Liberal Party is not a left-leaning party but this is not someone who I would welcome into my fold, especially with byelections next week that would likely give the majority anyway. EDIT: lol in January she supported a petition where floor-crossing would automatically trigger a byelection.

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Frankishe1 Apr 8, 2026 +73

omfg on your edit, that's too funny gotta love political opportunists/s

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Capable_Kiwi2514 Apr 8, 2026 +33

The libs currently have very strong party discipline. Her views on these things will be essentially irrelevant to her role.

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Zaphael-X Apr 8, 2026 +7

According to Wikipedia, back in 2006 MacLeans also have her the "most collegial MP" award. So I don't know if this move speaks volumes about that or brings it in question?

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QueenMotherOfSneezes Apr 10, 2026 +2

That's quite the feat for someone who didn't win her first seat until 9 years later.

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Varathane Apr 8, 2026 +24

Here's her statement on conversion therapy: "STATEMENT: Clarification on Bill C-6 In response to many inquiries, let me clarify my position on Bill C-6: I vehemently oppose conversion therapy, and support the LGBTQ+ community. I support freedom of religion and speech. —MP Marilyn Gladu " If I am reading this right, she opposes conversion therapy but not so much that she'd vote to ban it because she supports freedom of religion & speech MORE. The way the CBC wrote it, I thought she HAD opposed the ban but changed her view. And this would also make sense why she moved to Liberal if she has since started supporting LGBTQ+ community. But she didn't change her view, she just wanted to claim she loves us LGBTQ while actively harming the community.

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CeruleanFuge Apr 9, 2026 +5

If anything, this is worse. She's saying she supports the LGBTQ+ community - unless someone wants to come along and do them harm because of religion. In which case, go nuts. She's vile.

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CloseToMyActualName Apr 9, 2026 +3

According to Wikipedia: *In December 2020, Gladu had petitioned the Government to narrow the definition of conversion therapy to exclude pastoral care, voluntary sought counselling, or prayer.* I didn't do a deep dive, but she was otherwise in favour of banning conversion therapy, just from exceptions for pastoral care and prayer (don't know what that actually entails) and (presumably adults) seeking counselling on their own. Still not a fan, but it's to be expected for a Conservative house critic, and I could see her toeing the liberal line.

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mamadou-segpa Apr 9, 2026 +2

Freedom of religion needs to go. It used to be so people can worship whatever imaginary friend they want, and now its basically “i can do anything harmful or illegal to anyone because im religious”. Our system is broken

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Busy_Shine6888 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Any examples of that? I’m willing to join your party.

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themith2019 Apr 8, 2026 +26

Exactly. There are all sorts of reasons she is and will be problematic under a liberal banner. I can't see this as helping her career or being a net benefit for the federal liberals. This is very much an indictment of PP and a realpolitik move for relevance, I think

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DistanceToEmpty Apr 8, 2026 +17

Her riding (my riding) is solidly conservative. If she's planning on running again next election she's going have a hard time keeping her seat here.

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flyingflail Apr 8, 2026 +12

If it's still PP vs. Carney it'll be closer than you think

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CloseToMyActualName Apr 9, 2026 +1

It's been solidly Conservative for 20 years, including all of Trudeau's term. You'd need a substantial Conservative collapse for her to win.

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flyingflail Apr 9, 2026 +1

That is how Carney is currently polling yes

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CloseToMyActualName Apr 9, 2026 +1

Liberals had a 4 point lead going into the 2025 election, right now they have a 9 point lead. She won her seat by 16 points last election, that would put a Conservative on track to win by 11 points if an election were held tomorrow. There's an incumbency boost, but not that much. If an election were called tomorrow she'd be gone.

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External-Praline-451 Apr 8, 2026 +4

Fingers crossed, I hope no liberals trust her and vote for her because of this apparent change in heart.

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SoSoSpooky Apr 8, 2026 +1

Based on how the Federal employees have been treated under this admin, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Liberal party ending up where the conservative party was 10 years ago.

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ialo00130 Apr 9, 2026 +3

She's 70. Wouldn't shock me that she will retire from politics in the next election and this move was done so she can secure a decent post-politics Board/Consulting job.

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Suspicious_Board229 Apr 9, 2026 +2

was not aware of this context. I bet Pierre's having an especially hard time with this one.

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Former-Homework-7833 Apr 9, 2026 +2

Not a left leaning party? Did you say this as to say they aren’t left? Or they’re very left?

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Entegy Apr 9, 2026 +2

They are a centrist party.

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DifficultyEmpty591 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Not in the last 10 years

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YortMaro Apr 9, 2026 +7

Liberals have historically (including the past 10 years) been center-left. Arguably, Carney is bringing them closer to the center.

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CeruleanFuge Apr 9, 2026 +1

He's bringing them a bit further right than that, which is disappointing, given that it has meant directly contradicting his book "Value($)" numerous times since becoming PM.

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DifficultyEmpty591 Apr 9, 2026

He brought in an anti vaccine far right woman who has spent the last year saying he sucks and stop appealing the emergency act. He has no values just his investments

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Dubsified Apr 9, 2026 +1

NDP is heavy left. Liberals are left leaning but Carney has kind of made them a bit more centrist.

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Former-Homework-7833 Apr 9, 2026

I see the liberals and NDP as nearly indistinguishable for the past decade, and I don’t think carney meaningfully changed that at all

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TloquePendragon Apr 9, 2026 +2

A lot of that is specifically because The Liberals have, at EVERY opportunity, adopted popular NDP policies they previously were opposed to in order to take steam away from the NDP and garner good will. It's kinda bullshit. I am curious if you've heard about the recent NDP election and have any thoughts on that?

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Dubsified Apr 9, 2026 +1

During the time of Jack Layton, sure. But especially recently you can see they are way left.

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bwoah07_gp2 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Your post perfectly demonstrates that politicians will do whatever is best for them. The Liberals will accept her even if she's against their values because he gives them an edge closer to majority. She will join the Liberals because her party is failing and as the old saying goes, "if you can't beat them, join them."

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Impressive-Sense8461 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Ugh... it's never about the country, eh? It's always just these selfish, stupid fucks out for themselves and their twisted beliefs...

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Xsiah Apr 8, 2026 +1

Is there any way that this is some dirty 4D chess? Just because she crossed the floor doesn't mean that she is required to vote with the liberals on their bills, but now she'd be in a better position to get the internal party info.

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McNasty1Point0 Apr 9, 2026 +3

Party discipline is a pretty big thing in Canadian politics. She will be required to vote with the Liberals on most bills, particularly the important ones. If she goes against the party line on more than a couple of occasions (and particularly on important issues to the Liberals), she will be removed from caucus.

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Nome-Cantski Apr 9, 2026 +1

Wackadoodle.

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chefbwd Apr 9, 2026

Dont be so close minded. Yes she has a sketchy track record on certain views, it takes a lot of courage to join a party that has strict views on some things. Social views are extremely important but understand there is balance in everything It's not the only thing in government or rhe world. Also just be a good human and learn to accept peoples differing views. The goal is to work together with all canadians of different views. We are one team. If someone is willing to help build one tram and comprise some of their views, that can be seen as honourable, but you cant force anyone to have different views personally, thats their freedom.

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ImprovementDues Apr 9, 2026

Please let me how the modern liberal party is not left leaning and explain it like I'm a 5 year old

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olblake Apr 9, 2026 -3

Edit - you know nothing of Canadian politics especially saying that anyone in this county cares what she believes. The cons are upset because the liberals are gaining a majority through seat swaps, instead of by election and the left doesn’t care cause it makes the “Canadian trump” upset

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weezul_gg Apr 8, 2026 -10

The Conservatives are well rid of this type of conservative. She sounds like a piece of work, and this defection reinforces that. The Liberals shouldn’t want someone like this, but they’re not concerned about what’s good for Canadians either. As long as they have control, morals be damned. It’s just disgusting no matter how you look at it.

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gwelfguy Apr 8, 2026 +62

Another opportunistic Conservative hoping to hitch their wagon to Carney's popularity.

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Early-Yak-to-reset Apr 8, 2026 +19

Lol she'll never get voted in again by her riding after going Liberal. She's from one of the most conservative ridings, in one of the most conservative provinces. She beat the liberal candidate by a massive margin. And since she's the kind of conservative that is antivax, it's not like she'd ever be a successful liberal candidate in a different riding. So, no. She's near retirement age. This isn't about gaining popularity. There's some kind of personal kickback.

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flyingflail Apr 8, 2026 +20

Not THAT conservative. Left wing parties always combine for over 40% of the vote. If you want to see "most conservative" take a look at rural Alberta/SK.

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chaosunleashed Apr 8, 2026 +9

Ontario is one of the most conservative provinces?

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 8, 2026 +7

It’s one of the most populous. Not sure I’d call it one of the most conservative just because it has the most conservatives.

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chaosunleashed Apr 8, 2026

Yeah my comment was more incredulous than sincere. Ontario is generally very middle of the pack. Every province West of it is more conservative imo. Every province east of it is more liberal (even Quebec) but yeah... I think Ontario is pretty much a coin flip province in terms of Conservative/Liberal at most times

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Revolutionary_Owl670 Apr 9, 2026 +7

BC is definitely not more conservative than Ontario is.

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Independent_Ad8268 Apr 9, 2026 +2

They’re very similar

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Revolutionary_Owl670 Apr 9, 2026 -1

Somewhat between the rural areas generally being conservative and city centres being progressive, but provincially BC has the NDP in government right now and Toronto has Conservative. Ie. From an actual political power and government perspective, BC is much more left leaning currently.

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 9, 2026 +2

Ya this is a weird way to say who’s more conservative or not since political parties change all the time. Ontario had a decade and a half under the Liberals whereas previously BC was governed by their Liberal (who were conservatives).

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Independent_Ad8268 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Bad argument, by that logic Alberta was more left wing than BC in 2016

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Revolutionary_Owl670 Apr 9, 2026

If the statement is that "one thing is more or less than another," why would you not look at the current state?

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Orphanpip Apr 10, 2026 +1

They never said most conservative provinces, they said riding. Her district has voted Conservative for 20 years straight and even before that they had a Blue Grit as a Liberal MP who voted against same sex marriage. It's fair to say the riding is one of the more conservative in Ontario and more conservative than the general population.

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BlamaeuxPrivateEye Apr 9, 2026 +1

She doesn't need to. She has been in long enough now to get a cushy pension.

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OccasionalComment89 Apr 9, 2026

She values the same thing the Liberals value: winning.

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CarbonatedTuna567 Apr 8, 2026 +51

For context, right now, the Liberals are 1 seat away from a majority and there is going to be a by-election in three ridings in a few days, so we'll see who the elected MPs will be

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McNasty1Point0 Apr 9, 2026 +6

Pretty much guaranteed that two of the ridings remain Liberal. The third in Quebec should be a very tight race. A majority is all but guaranteed at this point, and there’s also a very real possibility of more floor crossers.

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newbreed69 Apr 9, 2026 -25

Scary stuff

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21marvel1 Apr 9, 2026 +11

I promise you that we will be just fine

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newbreed69 Apr 9, 2026 -2

It's not whether or not I'll be just fine I do not like the liberals, nor the cons But the cons are keeping the liberals in check at the very least

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Strategic_Spark Apr 9, 2026 +4

Carney is a conservative liberal. Realistically most conservatives will be happy with his policies.

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newbreed69 Apr 9, 2026

The cons are still against some of the liberal policies that i do not agree with

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Kayge Apr 8, 2026 +14

For those who need some help untangling what's going on in the house, here is a breakdown: * Total seats: 343 * Total Liberal: 171 * Total "other": 169 * Total Vacant: 3 With this latest addition the Liberals have a functional majority. When you mix in the 3 vacant seats, 2 of them are strongly liberal, and the last one's a toss up between them and the bloc. Realistically, the liberals will have a majority until 2029.

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DistanceToEmpty Apr 8, 2026 +27

So she's my local Member of Parliament, and she's a right-wing nutter. Like maple flavour MAGA nutty. Buying into all the populist misinfo and conspiracy BS. It's kind of inconceivable that she's crossing the floor to the Liberals, Trudeau's old party.

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shuffman519 Apr 8, 2026 +16

Former Sarnian here. Never been a fan of Galdu. To me it's an indication of how toxic Poilievre's leadership is if someone who's been elected as a Conservative 4 times and, as you say, a Convoy supporter etc.. decides it's time to cross the aisle.

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Rehberkintosh Apr 9, 2026 +4

Poilievre doesn't even lead. If he did he wouldn't have waited til after early voting had started to release a platform. He's just opposed to anything the Liberals or NDP support. He refuses to get security clearance just so he can shit on whatever the Liberals are doing to protect Canadians because he's buried his head in the sand in terms of facing threats.

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two_to_toot Apr 8, 2026 +23

This one is a little weird. She's not a progressive conservative. It makes little sense why she would join the Liberals.

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miningman12 Apr 8, 2026 +52

I'm a conservative voter in Canada Carney does everything I want a conservative government to do, so there's no reason to not support him especially as he's actually getting shit done not just giving lip service No carbon tax, remove cap gain tax increase, focus on natural resources & simplified permitting stopped student diploma mills. I truly don't have any other requests from federal government so like... Eh I guess Liberals are fine 🤷‍♂️ Like he's done my whole policy wishlist already, I don't see any reason to not continue supporting him.

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Cheshire_Khajiit Apr 8, 2026 +16

This is something I think many people in the US (speaking as an “American” myself) have a hard time understanding. Opposition to Trump’s brand of lunacy ≠ progressive policy.

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gluten_free_range Apr 9, 2026 +13

Yeah, the general ignorance of politics is the big difference. miningman12 has a specific policy wishlist in mind and supports politicians that work toward those policies rather than voting strictly based on which "team" you're on or who gets you the most excited.

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two_to_toot Apr 9, 2026 +1

Canada has a multi-party system. Although the Liberals and Conservatives are the two major parties, 33% of voters don't support either party. This also paves the way for minority governments where parties have to work together or the government will fall, triggering another election (we've only had 2 majority governments in the past 20+ years).

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BradPittbodydouble Apr 8, 2026 +12

Canadian very tied in the middle here thats generally happy with Carney. I am still surprised she joined, right after just revoting for Pierre and making a big deal about floor crossings requiring by elections. The other crossings made sense to me, this one not so much. Though maybe she just sees the investment in Canada is what brings us forward. I still get concerned with the lack of investment in green tech, but compared to Trudeaus lip service while not doing anything positive for the environment, this is a very welcome change since Carney seems he understands the balance needed.

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Spiritual-Fish-1604 Apr 8, 2026 +6

I think its the economic policy driving this. Social policy has been dead since carny was elected(Not a bad thing. while not perfect, most poeple are happy where we are socially right now and the economy needs some major love). If you look into her economic leanings, they match the liberals very well. If she actually is one of the politicians that wants to get something done in office(I find the crazy once usually are this type. They go into politics to accoplish something) this makes sense

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Echo4117 Apr 9, 2026 +6

Thank you for basing your vote on policy rather than party

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Honest-Ad-7077 Apr 9, 2026 +3

yes, the gun bans are literally the only criticism I have left which is a pretty short list of grievances for me to have with a liberal government.

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 8, 2026 +7

Carbon tax is good policy and it was dumb to remove it. Only economic illiterates don’t like this policy.

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SlashNXS Apr 9, 2026 +6

WAS good. once the narrative was poisoned it was no longer good policy. gotta cut off a limb to save the body

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 9, 2026 +1

Yes i agree that the political merits are different from the policy merits.

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Honest-Ad-7077 Apr 9, 2026 -2

How so? I still heat my house and have the same commute to work regardless of the carbon tax. Canada's emissions did not spike when he removed it or drop any time Trudeau upped it.

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 9, 2026 +4

If you have the same heating and commute, it means you didn't change your behaviour. Maybe you're a bit of a funny guy, but if you think that people and businesses don't change their behaviour in response to a price change, then you *literally* do not think that capitalism works. The whole idea of a price mechanism is that people respond to *prices*. This is, again, *the literal foundation of our economic system*. In reality, if something gets more expensive, people consume less of it. Short-term demand can be inelastic (e.g., commuting to work tomorrow), but long-term demand is far more elastic (people buy more efficient cars, or carpool, or do all their errands in a single trip). And, at the margin, carbon emissions go down. >Canada's emissions did not spike when he removed it or drop any time Trudeau upped it. Citation please. BC's carbon tax, for example, has been pretty widely studied and found to be quite effective. Again - you actually do need strong evidence to support your *radical* claim that the entire mechanism that organises activity in our economy was actually not there all along.

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Orphanpip Apr 10, 2026 +1

The program was designed so that companies could reduce their tax burden by lowering emissions. Thus lower emissions meant lower taxes for them. For everyday Canadians the additional cost from the carbon tax was redistributed back to you as a tax rebate so you end up at the end of the year paying the same but companies are pressured to find solutions to emissions for their savings. To be fair it was a convoluted system and people don't like the idea of higher upfront costs even if it balanced out end of the year in your benefit.

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kapofx Apr 10, 2026 +1

The current liberal government is more center than they are left. They're centered enough that conservatives can agree with and liberals can live with. They are getting thing done. Carney isn't waiting for other countries to get their act together. Nor is he bowing to threats. He's making chess moves to better our future even if people don't realize it. He's focusing on the Canadian economy first and forging relations with middle countries. He is the right leader for the job right now. Not a far left and far right leader.

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SoSoSpooky Apr 8, 2026 +3

Carney isn't a traditional liberal, he is much more a soft-conservative than anything. And that "soft" part is just assumed.

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BradPittbodydouble Apr 8, 2026 +15

Progressive Conservative is a perfect description for Carney honestly.

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two_to_toot Apr 8, 2026 +10

Carney is a Red Tory. I've never heard of the term soft-conservative in Canada before. The only term we use is Progressive Conservative, Blue Grit, or Red Tory.

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dudesszz Apr 8, 2026

Probably helps her stay elected get pension etc

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XiahouMao Apr 8, 2026 +2

She already has her pension, and with her riding this makes re-election unlikely.

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haikarate12 Apr 8, 2026 +10

Ugh… this one really doesn’t feel like a win. She’s f****** awful.

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GarbonzoBeanSprout Apr 8, 2026 +5

Not on my bingo card, like at all. 🙃😐

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Immediate_Buffalo14 Apr 8, 2026 +4

I'm amazed what's left of the CPC caucus hasn't invoked the Reform Act to turf Pierre Poilievre. Should have happened long ago given how he's so incapable of keeping his team together.

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Flimsy_Character69 Apr 9, 2026 +3

This my riding, I can finally fly a pride flag and drive an EV without consequences 😉 I did vote liberal but certainly not for her.

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Entegy Apr 8, 2026 +5

I don't expect the rich and powerful to have the common man's best interests at heart. But I cannot understand how the party elite reelected PP as party leader. He suffered the most humiliating electoral defeat in modern federal Canadian history. This man is not delivering results! The floor crossings are the rats jumping ship for sure.

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crackthetub Apr 8, 2026 +6

Mark Carney might just be the best to ever do it. Man's got the sauce.

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Trick_Math42069 Apr 8, 2026 -20

No he's just swung the liberals hard right

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a_lumberjack Apr 8, 2026 +15

"hard right"? Come on. He's a Liberal in the Chretien/Martin mold. Trudeau skewed more like his dad. The Liberal party is a historically centrist party.

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flyingflail Apr 8, 2026 +13

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative works. Who would've guessed

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Trick_Math42069 Apr 8, 2026 -5

Yeah, there has been a hard right swing (not far right). Carney is taking the party in a very different direction than Trudeau was.

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Xsiah Apr 8, 2026 +1

That direction is "up" vs "down" lol

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teejay157 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Not a hard right. Towards the middle. This is what is needed actually. No government should be far right or far left (look at US). All extremities do is partition people. A slightly conservative person wont feel like supporting a heavy left government. But they will support a centric government. This is how to have a less divided country. (This is bad for some people in power ofcourse because keeping a country divided and against each other is the best way to keep cooperations and powerful people unchecked.)

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casualguitarist Apr 8, 2026 -45

The best is how they describe the CCP leader or the one in DPRK. You're looking at one party rule like in some of the poorest Asian countries. If you're a canadian then it's about to get interesting because well a lot of leftists dream of living in a fully socialist, authoritarian society. Kind of also want to see some of the Liberals who also love to post "omg Trump is a fascist!" think if this is what they want? like is this REALLY what they want?

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Entegy Apr 8, 2026 +21

Hey look, we found someone who likely called Justin Trudeau a dictator. Get your head out of your ass man. The Liberals aren't even a leftest party and the party is currently headed by a conservative banker. And hey guess what? Apparently floor crossing is so easy, all those conservatives that just jump ship can just do so again and reverse the majority because of how slim it is.

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Top_Table_3887 Apr 9, 2026 +1

If anything, I wouldn’t compare Canada to China, Russia, North Korea, etc. The more apt comparison for the future would be Japan. A centre (for Japan, centre-right compared to Western democracies) party that has run practically unopposed for 60+ years despite several smaller parties existing. Nothing really happens, nothing really improves, but they keep getting elected because no viable alternative really exists.

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casualguitarist Apr 8, 2026 -17

> The Liberals aren't even a leftest party and the party is currently headed by a conservative banker. This has little to do with left or right. In a uniparty state or one that functions like it under a [Collective leadership](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_leadership) there is no left or right, because the PEOPLE do not get to choose or decide on almost anything. You might have a lot noise like in Russia with 100 talk shows with actors "debating" things ("is the war in ukraine good or bad for us guys??") but everyone is just playing a character except for a few. The real mechanism for a consensus for a DEMOCRACY will always be real, free elections and a rules based system. This is anything but. The "it's an unprecedented economic emergency" argument doesn't really hold either. **the UK, France are in a worse shape but have you seen anything like this happening there?** I mean Liberals already hold all of the economic levers, GDP, (employment/unemployment), inflation, spending, immigration, mostly friendly premiers so what else do they need?

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Sandman1990 Apr 8, 2026 +5

Awe, you think you're smart. Bless your heart

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casualguitarist Apr 8, 2026 -7

Good one. I haven't used this one since \*checks notes\* 2015 when Harper was getting really unpopular but still ran because there were rules.

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 8, 2026 +3

What do you think the GDP lever is? And why wouldn’t all governments at all times pull that lever?

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casualguitarist Apr 9, 2026 -1

[https://www.brookings.edu/articles/hutchins-center-fiscal-impact-measure/](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/hutchins-center-fiscal-impact-measure/) [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pbo-capital-spending-definition-fall-budget-1.7653494](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pbo-capital-spending-definition-fall-budget-1.7653494) [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/historical-gov-spending-gdp](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/historical-gov-spending-gdp) There's a reason why Trump/Gop didn't want a prolonged govt shutdown. they do use it otherwise Canada and even much of the OECD would be in a deep recession long ago.

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 9, 2026 +3

This is whack man. The Liberals have the slimmest majority - MAYBE - and we have a majoritarian system with tonnes of majority governments in our history. There is nothing wild here. There is literally no story.

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casualguitarist Apr 9, 2026 +1

This is whacky man. It's a majority validated through A VOTING system. This has to be a troll, you probably also like to think "these amuricans are so dum!"

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ForsakingSubtlety Apr 9, 2026 +2

You don't understand the voting system then. People elect someone to represent them. The person then does that to the best of their ability. We don't have pure numerical majority rule. And we don't even have that at the riding level. (And having this would be incredibly stupid anyway.) This is called representative government. You elect *representatives* and they are supposed to lead, acting according to the best of their abilities. I'm sorry you were asleep during civics.

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casualguitarist Apr 10, 2026 +1

>People elect someone to represent them. The person then does that to the best of their ability. Just for context most people/voters care about this: [https://www.canada.ca/en/democratic-institutions/services/democracy-canada.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/democratic-institutions/services/democracy-canada.html) >**Canadian MPs almost always or typically belong to a political party:** **Political parties help Canadians understand** the views of local candidates and their elected MP by presenting voters with a set of priorities the political party will pursue, known as a “platform”. **Platforms can indicate what Governments will d**o when they are in power, for example, what types of laws they will introduce and how they will handle certain issues. Canadian MPs who do not have a political affiliation are referred to as **independents**. >In Canada’s system, the Prime Minister and Cabinet sit in the House of Commons: This allows MPs to question the Prime Minister and Government ministers directly in the House of Commons on behalf of Canadians. stay in power, the Government must have the support of a majority of MPs, also known as having the “confidence” of the House of Commons. Also this isn't my main argument or probably for most according to the polls but for the last time: When you say "We don't have a majority rule!" Right no sh!t, otherwise we would have elections every few months like in France/nordics or US in some places. To keep it short the system is intended to be a lot simpler at the local level to invite people to run and to vote but higher up it's intended to form a majority consensus. Two main arguments I and from some i've seen making are 1) I'll use your own words here people elect someone **based on their past and their ideas up to a certain point** which is the election and the candidate SHOULD keep this in mind over most other things. There is a reason why a majority support is required in the House of commons, this principle should apply here thats all 2. it encourages opportunistic motivations and simply **corruption** . this is the opposite of "representing to their best of their ability" so how do you know what is what? you can't so this goes back point 1: election because something else like an investigation is inconclusive and probably just as expensive. Also I just remembered that major sports leagues have anti-tampering laws. Like every time this comes up I'm even more convinced that this shouldn't be allowed at the very least it needs something like a confidence check.

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SpartanKane Apr 8, 2026 +7

Yes. Trump is a fascist. That is a fact. The problem youre not understanding is that it would be bad if Mark Carney is *forcing* these people to cross the floor. There is no evidence he is, so its probably more likely that those who cross dont agree with the current conservative leader, various policies or they just think Carney is the real deal. While i do see merit in giving too much power to a party being potentially bad (see the current Republican party and their gutting of alphabet agencies) Carney so far hasnt shown hes irresponsible.

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Throwawayhair66392 Apr 8, 2026 +3

If someone told you during covid that the Canadian Liberals, who imposed vaccine mandates and called anti vaxxers granny killers, would welcome someone who has espoused anti vax views into caucus no one would believe it. I guess society has truly moved on from covid.

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DavidKirk2000 Apr 9, 2026 +5

This says more about how disastrous Poilievre’s tenure as leader of the Conservative Party has been than it does about societal opinions on COVID.

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Any-Ad-446 Apr 9, 2026 +2

LOL PP is bleeding support and so is Smith and her seperation party.

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Frosty_Link_9595 Apr 9, 2026 +2

I wanna know what they offered her. Like what did she get out of this.

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listenhere111 Apr 10, 2026 +1

Her constituents are flipping because of the insanity associated with conservatism. She wants to maintain her seat. This is self serving. Based on her platform, she's a conservative who has crossed the floor to maintain her job.

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Frosty_Link_9595 Apr 10, 2026 +1

Maybe. She is turning 65 so I hope she is retired soon and not still planning on working

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ConstantSpecialist44 Apr 8, 2026 +1

So a Majority is 172, Liberals are at 171, and there are 3 by-elections next week with two seats that looks safe for the Liberals. Looks like we have a Liberal majority. I see a lot criticizing that this happened out of election cycle, but myself as a Liberal voter in a riding that went Conservative because of a Green/NDP/Liberal split... I feel like I am getting what I personally voted for. Also, any single MP could leave and turn them back to a minority.

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 9, 2026 -1

Corruption is legal and welcomed in Canada

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Milksteak_Sandwich Apr 8, 2026 -11

Yes, you will get exactly what you voted for.

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Both-Corner-7399 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Same shit, different pile.

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Striking_Adagio_6782 Apr 9, 2026 +1

I don't understand the point of voting if the representatives can just switch sides or not uphold election promises or you know.. just do whatever the f*** they want to do, public be damned. Clearly voting is just performative theater at this point

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Okay-Crickets545 Apr 10, 2026 +1

Because in Canada you supposedly vote for the person not the party. If we mandate a new election anytime someone crosses the floor or leaves a party to be independent, then it’s a tacit admission that our first past the post electoral system, that is only justified by pretending people vote for the person not the party, is a sham, and neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives want to lose a system that they are systemically over represented under.

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Previous-Zombie-9812 Apr 9, 2026 +1

The love of money isn't left or right I suppose

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Fluckenchicken Apr 10, 2026 +1

Old hag

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 -2

This is great news, let’s not allow the Conservatives to gain power in Canada.

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SoSoSpooky Apr 8, 2026 +6

A majority government in any direction isn't really that great. Carney has already been proven someone capable of lying for votes, so it's not like he should be trusted with full authority either.

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 +11

If the alternative is a Party with members supporting MAGA, I’m fine with the Liberals having a majority.

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SoSoSpooky Apr 8, 2026 -2

While that is of course true, a two-party election like that last should be the absolute opposite direction for Canadian politics to trend and is a huge failing of the entire system in the first place. The fact that it's guaranteed this majority Liberal government won't do anything to fix it is also a big problem. They will never allow us to vote in a truly democratic fashion because they wouldn't want the NDP or Greens being relevant as it would challenge their identity as the only not-crazy option in the federal government.

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 +8

The NDP are doing a fantastic job of ensuring it will remain a two party race. I would love to have more options, we simply don’t at this time.

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SoSoSpooky Apr 8, 2026

That would also be ignoring the fact that the smartest move for any competent NDP politician to make at a federal level would likely be to join the Liberal party outright. The voting system itself suggests you only ever really get to vote for the most realistic option that you prefer, which will always be either Liberal or Conservative without some catastrophic blunder. And that would imply either of those parties are interested in solving the core issues with the country, which they aren't really. Especially so at a provincial level.

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 +4

You have a severe misunderstanding of the Canadian system it seems. We have operated with minority governments for years and pass legislation. The system isn’t the problem, the NDP is the problem. Have you seen their recent conference?

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NevyTheChemist Apr 8, 2026 -2

Great news for democracy indeed /s

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 +4

Conservatives voted against a bill around a decade ago that would have forced a by election if someone attempted to do exactly this and cross the floor. Now they are against it. 🤷‍♂️

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TheeDirtyToast Apr 8, 2026 -12

Yes! Which part of the Liberal legacy over the last 11 years is your favourite? Mine is that young Canadians can't afford to buy a house and feed their family anymore unless their parents are rich! Also very cool how they got burned in investing in electric vehicles, but chose to double down because they are all personally invested in it! Yay! Corruption! More please!

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 +8

It’s not that I love the Liberals, it’s that I’m not going to support a party with members that are MAGA supporters. Simple as that. Shows you how bad the Conservatives are doing here when they couldn’t win the last election, it was served to them on a platter.

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TheeDirtyToast Apr 8, 2026 -14

Got it. Cut off your nose to spite your face kinda shit. Let's let Carney rip off Canada for his own benefit because of a lunatic in another country. How patriotic.

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Ramen-89 Apr 8, 2026 +9

You’re being a bit dramatic here. Carney has done a good job with the hand he was dealt, our biggest ally hasn’t made it easy recently. We simply don’t have another option here, the federal NDP are a joke, the conservatives have MAGA members. They both aren’t good options.

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xxxdrakoxxx Apr 9, 2026 +1

you gotta wonder what under the table deal is involved here. she is clearly not anything close to liberal

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ForgetItEveryTime Apr 9, 2026 +1

Right-wing nutjob goes slightly more to the left

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BlackBullyGirl666 Apr 9, 2026 +1

$$$$$$

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ScheduleExcellent243 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Self serving.

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just-another-drone Apr 9, 2026 +1

It bothers me seeing these people switch sides randomly. Speaks to a massive lack of integrity, imo. If these people were genuine, they would have put out a statement denouncing their previous positions/statements/actions, and then resigned to trigger a byelection. Feels slimy, regardless of which party someone ditches from. It should 100% be a law that you have to resign and be re-elected under a different party.

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Deep_D2025 Apr 9, 2026 +1

This should be an automatic election. Whether you're Liberal or Conservative or NDP. If your views change, you should be forced to resign and run for election again under your new party. Your constituents didn't vote for you to change on them. That's not fair to your supporters.

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Godless_Servant Apr 8, 2026 -5

As a Canadian, why is this in world news? Why have we been pushing our shit here so much? I could maybe understand after the 12th if we get a majority it'll be due to all these floor crossers, that would be actually historic and maybe world news note worthy but the sheer amount of mundane shit that happens in our country that then gets posted here, only to read the same boring f****** Canadians b**** or rim job the topic has to be annoying for the rest of the world.

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Vin-diesels-left-nut Apr 9, 2026 +1

Because most of the social media sites aren’t allowed to post Canadian news, and a certain party loves that. Now we have to scrap Listnook and other non Canadian sites for non government approved news….. but yes we so boring .

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Entegy Apr 8, 2026 +10

You have no idea how our system works do you?

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two_to_toot Apr 8, 2026 +10

Canada is a parliamentary monarchy. We don't vote for a Prime Minister (The Prime Minister is just the leader of the party with the most seats). We vote for a local representative for our riding. This is how a functioning democracy works.

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brakiri Apr 8, 2026 +9

everyone is elected. this is a tactical majority. is this an OK time to advocate for proportional representation?

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SpartanKane Apr 8, 2026 +2

Lol i dont think you know how our elections work.

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Xsiah Apr 8, 2026 +1

Congratulations on showing everyone how ignorant you are.

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dmillibeats Apr 8, 2026 -18

🤢 🤮

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AdVisual7210 Apr 8, 2026 +4

Another L for the conjobs

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dmillibeats Apr 8, 2026 -4

And another W do the scammers

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Various_Ad1131 Apr 9, 2026 -1

This nonsense is rendering election campaigns pretty much meaningless. Either she lied during her campaign or she's lying now. We poor voters follow issues and watch debates. We educate ourselves on the issues and the party platforms and vote accordingly. Obviously our party allegiance is stronger than the lying con artists who cross the aisle. This absolutely should result in an immediate by-election. I for one would never vote for a floor crosser regardless of which party they pretend to represent at the time.

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squirrel9000 Apr 9, 2026 +3

>We poor voters follow issues and watch debates. We educate ourselves on the issues and the party platforms and vote accordingly But, if not the candidate themselves, then that's where this comes from. At the end of the day the riding voted for a floor crosser, and that's what they got.

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 9, 2026

Imagine if Pierre was paying people to cross the floor like the liberals are. People would lose their minds.

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WILDBO4R Apr 9, 2026 +2

lol, is this a PP burner

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 9, 2026 +1

You vote party not person. She literally condemned Michael Ma for floor crossing, supported Pierre at the leadership review, then crossed...only a fool would believe she isn't being paid off.

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WILDBO4R Apr 10, 2026 +1

There's no evidence of anyone being paid to cross the floor. I think she's just a hypocrite, which is pretty common for politicians, especially conservatives.

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 10, 2026

Of course there is no evidence. But cmon man, why else would you betray your constituents, party and morals. Wake the hell up.

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WILDBO4R Apr 10, 2026 +1

Because Carney is centre right and arguably pretty aligned with a lot of conservatives. Voters elect an MP and that MP can exert their own judgement on how to best serve their constituents. I don't see where the betrayal lies.

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 10, 2026

I'm sure would be fine with Pierre pulling liberals to his side too right?. Any floor crossing needs to be an immediate by-election, or democracy is dead in Canada. Sick of these turn coat politicians.

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WILDBO4R Apr 10, 2026 +1

I wouldn't really care. Crazy how people are suddenly getting so worked up about political systems that have been in place for decades. Instead of criticizing the system, the conservatives ought to pick a leader who isn't so insufferable.

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thundermoneyhawk Apr 9, 2026 -1

Only in Canada could this level of corruption be welcomed with open arms

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Novus20 Apr 9, 2026 +1

What corruption?

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thundermoneyhawk Apr 9, 2026 +2

Did you read the article? It’s pretty clear

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Novus20 Apr 9, 2026 +2

Yup, nothing that leads to your conclusion, care to provide some quotes?

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 9, 2026 -1

How much money in a duffle bag somewhere?

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elle-elle-tee Apr 9, 2026 +2

What exactly would the theory be here? That the Liberal party is paying her to cross the aisle? To what end? With what money? Big-business donors and corporations usually support Conservative agenda. And it would make no sense for a party to try and bribe an MP who is opposed to the majority of their platform. Honestly these conspiracy theories make zero sense.

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slingbladde Apr 9, 2026 -2

Con..lib? Right..left? It is money, connections, and benefits of pensions..no conspiracy needed..all about creating/expanding personal wealth in politics. always was always will be. Carns a liberal eh? Ffs.

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 9, 2026 -4

Corruption is legal and welcomed in Canadian politics

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mishasilvachynskyi98 Apr 9, 2026

Corruption at its finest. We don’t even have that shit in Ukraine, which is considered the “most corrupted country in Europe”

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Ecstatic-Coach Apr 8, 2026 -6

The conservatives and ndp were correct in their accusations that the liberals only care about doing a power grab. She should not be allowed in to the lpc caucus. She shared AI images of the deputy prime minister wearing a strap-on, she is anti-abortion, and pro conversion therapy.

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Kindly_Carry_7117 Apr 9, 2026 +1

Boost her pension with some tax free Liberal cash before retiring soon.

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Internal-Yak6260 Apr 9, 2026 -4

The bribe money must too good to resist !! More unchecked liberal corruption incoming. And the elbows up sheep cheer.

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soaero Apr 9, 2026 -2

And the big tent becomes a little more of a circus.

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bnnyhanna Apr 9, 2026 -3

I believe there is a backstory with this woman about family member that harsh accusation were swept under rug for this crossing .. libs are killing Canada or have killed Canada as we know it

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