I suggest MDA. They own 10% of MLS and aren’t limited to just being a launch service.
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Pipnotiq20 hr ago
+6
This is only one word off from being my actual works name 😂
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maxmurder18 hr ago
+8
Maritime Lunch Services
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FakeRickHarrison16 hr ago
+1
Loonie Toonie Space Agency
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emezeekiel22 hr ago
+19
We will be goooooing…. to polar orbits only.
Which would be OK for many national security launches but most of those require medium to heavy lift launch vehicles which currently only have pads at Vandenburg or Cape Canaveral.
So this will be limited to smallsats in polar (or sun synch) orbits, but it’s a start!
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BrianWantsTruth21 hr ago
+11
I heard about this new space initiative today, and I thought “that’s great, but what kind of orbits can we even offer?”
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Acceptable_Noise65117 hr ago
+4
It’s good enough for Canada to have 100% launch control over their own satellites besides you guys have plenty of empty space to build a sweet launch site. Hopefully it works out well enough for Canada to eventually launch their own Astronauts into space. It would be pretty cool if the Artemis project started to have multiple countries for launches to scale things up quicker.
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Sixstringthings1 day ago
+51
This would be a good time to have a Caribbean province
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed\_Canadian\_political\_association\_with\_the\_Turks\_and\_Caicos\_Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Canadian_political_association_with_the_Turks_and_Caicos_Islands)
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yellow_banditos22 hr ago
+35
Low lying , hurricane ally, everything would have to be shipped in.
Very not Ideal location.
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Old_Caterpillar_538522 hr ago
+20
Carney should go to Cuba and strike the deal of a lifetime.
(And no I’m not serious, Cubans want a free Cuba, but just imagining the look on Trump’s face makes me laugh)
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ErmahgerdYuzername19 hr ago
+8
Not that I want us to take Cuba from the Cubans but I’d love a Canadian province which is a Caribbean destination.
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manfr5723 hr ago
+30
Si vous voulez, nous sommes prêts à vous prêter Kourou en Guyane pour vos vols spatiaux.
De la part d'un cousin français
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Conscious_Spare24722 hr ago
+18
We already have a commercial space launch complex on our eastern coast.
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WABAJIM21 hr ago
+14
Yep but, near the equator it's less expensive to launch to space. Alors moi je dis qu'on ne devrait pas dire non trop rapidement.
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Conscious_Spare24721 hr ago
+7
So you don't want Canada doing space launches. You want France doing them for us? Might as well just keep using US launch capability at that point. the whole point is building our own complex to launch commercial rockets.
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OpeningTechnical588420 hr ago
+2
Entirely depends on the orbit you're wanting. High inclination and polar orbits are more efficient from Canada than the equator.
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Voltae20 hr ago
+2
Cheaper and easier for equatorial/low inclination orbits, yes. For polar orbits, launching from Canada will be fine.
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manfr5721 hr ago
+1
Ok, je ne savais pas merci pour l'info quoi qu'il en soit vous êtes tjrs les bienvenus.
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NOT_EVEN_THAT_GUY22 hr ago
+12
to the moon!
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airship_of_arbitrary19 hr ago
+6
God bless Jeremy Hansen.
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NOT_EVEN_THAT_GUY18 hr ago
+2
Moongod
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slingbladde23 hr ago
+6
More satellites for everyone..
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grenamier21 hr ago
+3
Whatever happened to Spar Aerospace?
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Canada197119 hr ago
+1
It was purchased by L3 Communications and largely went out of business although parts of it had previously become Ipart of what is now MDA Space.
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YourOverlords20 hr ago
+3
Black Brant is back baby!
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Frankishe116 hr ago
+1
Time to scare the shit out of the Russians again :D
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Necessary-Music-66851 day ago
+32
Most space launches need to be from somewhere near to the equator to take advantage of the earth’s rotation to save fuel, so this seems mostly symbolic.
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riko77can22 hr ago
+55
The Baikonur Cosmodrome (one of the busiest launch sites over the history of launches) is even further north than the proposed site in Nova Scotia. What you’re saying only applies if you are seeking an equatorial or geostationary orbit. Higher latitude sites are common for polar, sun-synchronous, or high-inclination orbits and certainly have their use. It’s *not* just symbolic.
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JerbTrooneet20 hr ago
+11
For context the other Russian launch sites like Plesetsk and Vostochny are even further north than Baikonur and see frequent launches for satellites. Most of Canada would likely fall under similar latitudes to those sites so it's not unheard of to have far north rocket launch sites.
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DaveidL20 hr ago
+7
This guy geographies.
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-ram_the_manparts-20 hr ago
+6
And knows his rocket appliances.
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Emergency-Hat-871513 hr ago
+3
But apparently only has a rudimentary understanding of rocket launch sites.
Launching from florida only gives an extra 80 m/s in free Delta from the earth's rotation. Less than 1% of a benefit to launch from Florida instead of Nova Scotia, big benefits in being outside of hurricanes and small outlying islands.
It's different if you want to plane change to orbiting the equator. But why would Canada need that? Most domestic satellites would serve Canada and the European market. And if that's really important to you, use 2.7% of your mass budget, and run the ion thrusters intead of rocket fuel for a slow transition to equatorial geo over a reasonable timeframe.
There's reason Russia China and Europe are more than comfortable launching spacecraft and nobody is beating down south america's doors for a percent or two gain in launch efficiency, and even then only when they absolutely need to launch the largest possible thing into equatorial geostationary orbit
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binzoma20 hr ago
+7
? new zealand has a commercial space launch programme. and nz is roughly the equiv latitude as canada
also most of europe is north of the southern end of canada (where most people live), and lots of european countries launch satelites
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Weak_Syllabub_799423 hr ago
+11
Just to give people an idea of how much better it is to launch near the equator. It's cheaper for France to build rockets in Europe and then sail them all the way to South America to launch instead of just launching from Europe.
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riko77can22 hr ago
+6
That’s only true for geostationary satellites or equatorial orbits though. There are also plenty of satellite applications that don’t require that type of orbit and are suitable for northern latitude launches from sites such as Baikonur which has been one of the busiest launch sites historically.
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JerbTrooneet20 hr ago
+8
Equatorial launch sites also make sense for launches that need as much delta-V as possible since the Oberth effect reduces the amount of delta-V needed. The lower amount of inclination change burns also helps.
It's why the James Webb Space Telescope launched from French Guiana since it needed as much delta-V it could to reach the Sun-Earth L2 Lagrange point.
Though yeah equatorial launches aren't really needed for most satellite applications these days since those usually stay in LEO.
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gwelfguy1 day ago
+21
Launches into geo-synchronous orbit, which is an equatorial orbit, benefit from being close to the equator. These days most launches are into low earth orbit, which are generally polar orbits. They do not benefit from being close to the equator. LEO launches may occur from Florida, California, French Guiana, etc. because they already have launch facilities.
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Weak_Syllabub_799423 hr ago
+13
>These days most launches are into low earth orbit, which are generally polar orbits.
Where are you getting that from? Everything I've been able to find says that the vast majority of LEO satellites are *not* in polar orbits?
Edit: Also, LEO satellites in non-polar orbits benefit from being near the equator too.
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Dazzling-Rub-85501 day ago
Yes and also Canadian environmental laws and safety regulations will likely make it long and tedious to approve launch sites. Alberta will probably be ok with it though lol.
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razordreamz1 day ago
+12
I approve launches from Alberta! First payload should be all the separatists!
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DisastrousAcshin21 hr ago
+7
Save money with the hot air assist
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Overwatchingu22 hr ago
-4
Oh those darn pesky environmental regulations not allowing us to pour mercury into ground water anymore, if only we could circumvent safety studies because it’s not like there would be any consequences if something went wrong with a rocket launch.
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wowthatsucked21 hr ago
+1
There has to be some happy medium between “the river is so polluted it caught fire” and “the project to write an environmental impact report for high speed rail can now legally drink”.
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two_to_toot1 day ago
-1
It's for satellites. It's not that difficult, even North Korea has done it.
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Weak_Syllabub_799423 hr ago
+4
Which parts of Canada are closer to the equator than any part of North Korea?
Also, North Korea has launched three total satellites in their whole history.
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Trick_Math4206923 hr ago
+5
North Korea is only like 2 degrees closer to the equator
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Weak_Syllabub_799423 hr ago
-10
Well shit. Maybe Canada is destined to become a great space power like North Korea.
Maybe you'll even surpass them and launch a *fourth* satellite into orbit one day? Or is that unrealistically ambitious?
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Trick_Math4206922 hr ago
+14
Canada already has a huge space in industry, just not launch sites
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VivaLirica22 hr ago
+7
I guess you don't know enough about space to understand that Canada already has a major space industry and is the largest foreign partner in NASA.
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two_to_toot20 hr ago
+3
You seem to be trapped in your American thought bubble.
The Apollo missions for example relied heavily on Canadian engineers. The lunar module’s landing gear was created by Héroux, the heat shield was development by engineer Bryan Erb, and Kennedy went to Ottawa to recruit the engineers from the Avrow-Arrow.
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FingalForever1 day ago
+12
Welcome move
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chief_blunt91 day ago
+7
Do they even have space launch startups?
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Spotter011 day ago
+20
We do! 2 off top of my head is Nord Space and Maritime Launch Services!
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chief_blunt91 day ago
+3
Have they launched anything?
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Spotter011 day ago
+15
Yes! We had 1 launch thus far it was a simple proof of concept that it is indeed possible!
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Liquado23 hr ago
+5
Ease off the exclamations there, sparky.
Just kidding, I love space stuff too!
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HouseofMarg1 day ago
+5
Yes, mostly [sub-orbit](https://www.maritimelaunch.com/news/maritime-launch-completes-second-successful-suborbital-demonstration-spaceport-nova-scotia). One of those was in partnership with The Netherlands. At least two major lower-earth orbit (LEO) launch projects are scheduled for June of this year and next year
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pasatroj1 day ago
+6
I know certain launch points have advantages at certain times during rotation etc. but would launching closer to the Pole have an advantage?
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BritishBenzene23 hr ago
+7
Iirc- Low earth orbits (below the Van Allen belt, above the atmosphere) are fine for launch from higher latitudes. It wouldn’t work for most of the higher-flying satellites in geosynchronous orbit as the plane change from the higher latitudes to the equator would be prohibitively expensive in terms of fuel. Like it’d literally be cheaper to just launch a different one from closer to the equator. They could probably also do polar orbits, but idk much about where those are used as most of my knowledge comes from a combination of amateur space geekery and hard sci-fi novels.
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Weak_Syllabub_799423 hr ago
+6
>Iirc- Low earth orbits (below the Van Allen belt, above the atmosphere) are fine for launch from higher latitudes.
Just a note, this is only for polar and sun-synchronous (near polar) low earth orbits.
Non-polar low earth orbit (which is most LEO satellites) very much *do* benefit from being closer to the equator.
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BritishBenzene23 hr ago
+1
Good to know. I love space but spent my career in biotech instead, so I’m still learning.
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pasatroj22 hr ago
+2
I love U guys. Have a question about a specific Space thing? Minutes later Multiple answers with context. Thank You.
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CanadaMapleMoose23 hr ago
+6
For Polar/Northern Orbits yes, it's the only thing that makes sense as well for Canada, satellites etc to monitor the north which Canada needs.
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pasatroj22 hr ago
+1
Cool, all of this is fascinating. I grew up next to JPL and was always learning something new. A lot of neighbors in the 80's worked there.
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riko77can22 hr ago
+2
Suitable for polar, sun-synchronous, and high inclination orbits which have many applications. Just not practical for geostationary or equatorial orbits.
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obliviousjd23 hr ago
+2
Generally you want to be as close to the equator as possible. There's a reason the US launches from Florida, Texas, and Southern California. Russia does most their launches in another country at a site in southern Kazakhstan. While Europe does most their launches on another continent halfway around the world in French Guiana.
Canada is honestly not the best place to launch a rocket.
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Yvaelle22 hr ago
+6
Launching closer to the equator is always cheaper to get into orbit, but it's not necessarily better for all orbital paths - and the paths Canada is specifically interested in launching into are not the geosynchronous equatorial orbits - so it's actually a great launch spot for the niche Canada wants to build in polar and asynchronous orbits.
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2peg2city23 hr ago
+10
Just wait until we add our newest province, Belize
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Xeiliex22 hr ago
+1
I know your joking but we kinda already took over Belize in 40’s
Something to do with American Jesuit priests and banks…
You’re far too late…
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pasatroj22 hr ago
+1
The equator thing I knew,growing up next to JPL has it's advantages. I just wondered if their could a specific adv. in specific circumstances. I have thankfuly been schooled by multiple replies. In the best way. Like OG Listnook was.
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CamusCrankyCamel21 hr ago
+1
There’s also 4 pads at Wallops in Virginia
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Burgoonius17 hr ago
+2
That’s awesome
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Sweet_taco2812 hr ago
+2
But the best commercial space launch company is American.
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ChatamKay23 hr ago
+3
Everyday they announce a new f*** you to the USA. We’re (Canadians) all for it.
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125capybaras17 hr ago
+7
Lmao. When you guys can build something that gets to the Moon, we'll respect you a bit more.
Until then, we'll keep an extra seat warm on our rockets for you
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ChatamKay16 hr ago
-2
Sure thing.. you brainwashed zero.
-2
Plenty_Beautiful_54723 hr ago
+1
No one can rely on the US. Canada is no exception.
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HalfOffSnoke19 hr ago
+1
The ticker symbol is $MAXQ. Buy it now while its still under $1.
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GuaSukaStarfruit18 hr ago
+2
The market cap is already 500million with 0 revenues lmao
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HalfOffSnoke17 hr ago
+1
Yrs thats the whole story. Nice research.
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magwai918 hr ago
+1
[Nova Scotia's new space launch pad is a beaut!](https://youtu.be/1rIJA720sc4?si=E32thBQE5LVedV3m)
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Overall-Phone760517 hr ago
+2
No no yeah!
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rudolf_waldheim12 hr ago
+1
From where? Does Canada have colonies near the equator?
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pishposhpoppycock1 day ago
+5
Trudeau's astronaut girlfriend must be so excited!
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teddykaygeebee23 hr ago
+1
And this is what happens when you go against allied nations instead of working together. Nice job, Donnie and co.
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Astrid_Nebula22 hr ago
+1
FRIENDLY COMPETITION! LFG! Hey CA, Well see your asses on Mars 😀
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Weird_Pomegranate90818 hr ago
-1
The first step for a nuclear Canada.
-1
Beautiful-Lynx-282519 hr ago
-4
Hahahaha, those silly snow Mexicans
-4
Perfect_Opposite211315 hr ago
I hear mumbling coming from the basement. Is that you United States?
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roller_coaster32518 hr ago
Makes sense except launching from Canada isn’t ideal. Could share a spaceport with France though.
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Miss_L_Worldwide18 hr ago
-5
LOL oh canada. There's a reason spaceports are in Texas and florida.
-5
Perfect_Opposite211315 hr ago
Is it the hurricanes?
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Miss_L_Worldwide15 hr ago
+2
uh, no. It's to leverage the maximum rotational speed of the earth.
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SlumdogSkillionaire1 day ago
-3
Sp-EH-ce
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delicioustreeblood22 hr ago
-1
Didn't know you could use maple syrup for fuel but I'm here for it
-1
125capybaras17 hr ago
-7
You're welcome for helping you grow some balls, Canada.
Let us know when you make it to the Moon and can stop taking up seats on our spaceships.
Sincerely,
US Republicans
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Perfect_Opposite211315 hr ago
+4
Your country is a sinking ship thanks to republicans. See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya.
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Kooky-Solution-484023 hr ago
-21
Wasting money while children are starving is not very Canadien.
-21
faultysynapse23 hr ago
+6
Explain.
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Kooky-Solution-484022 hr ago
-17
There are 2000 children a day dying of starvation from genocide and we’re going to spend billions sending satellites into space for vanity projects?
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