I’m a simple man, all I want is CANZUK and to never read a Trump headline again in my life.
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jimbarinoApr 11, 2026
+71
I'll accept *one* more Trump headline...
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Deacon86Apr 11, 2026
+38
The one obituary the whole world is looking forward to reading.
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JConRedApr 11, 2026
+4
You mean a deadline.
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J_G_EApr 11, 2026
+80
and Trump CANZUK on it...
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ShoshiOptiApr 11, 2026
+16
Lol I've never seen that used this way, going to steal it
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dry_sdApr 11, 2026
+9
There is one such headline I'd like to read.
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Ok-Telephone-8813Apr 11, 2026
+1
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quietlydesperate90Apr 11, 2026
Seeing the state of the UK right now I'm not so sure about CANZUK.
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lucylucylaneApr 11, 2026
Why what's wrong with it
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Dragon420WizardApr 11, 2026
+1
Man, the US sucks so bad. F*** all of em, right? Hope you get your CANZUK or whatever.
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mixxitukApr 11, 2026
-13
Welcome to CANZUK please see your mandatory orientation video with Imperator Farage
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hutch_man0Apr 11, 2026
+18
A related non-paywalled article [here](https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/f-35-compromise-canada-looks-to-join-global-combat-air-program/)
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Any-Programmer6702Apr 11, 2026
+63
U.K. + Italy + Japan... and now Canada? Talk about a powerhouse alliance! Can’t wait to see this jet in action.
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ApexAurajinApr 11, 2026
+62
As an alliance for a military development and procurement project, it is pretty funny.
UK - Famous in military enthusiast circles for making the weirdest and wonkiest shit that somehow works really well.
Italy - Well known today for making beautiful and high performance machines that everyone wants and talks about.
Japan - All their stuff is super reliable and for some reason comes from the same factory as musical instruments.
Canada - Entire sections of the Geneva convention are their fault.
The only way this could get any more interesting is if Germany got on board, Ukraine got their own drone variant, and Sweden adapted it for gravel roads.
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Acceptable-Pin2939Apr 11, 2026
+25
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RoughVirtual1626Apr 11, 2026
+2
Well I mean our stuff in the UK is weird and effective see the harrier jump jet in it's hayday
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ApexAurajinApr 11, 2026
-1
If that was the case I would have said the UK made sure every plane comes with a tea kettle, it's a nightmare to maintain because the Italians wanted to stick to the traditional recipe, Japan censored the engine exhausts and Canada apologised for their interest.
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Vegetable_Leg_7034Apr 11, 2026
+2
> Canada - Entire sections of the Geneva convention are their fault.
I'm from the Uk, but this did make me smirk.. we have taught you well.
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calladcApr 11, 2026
+1
As an Aussie I'd love to see us get in on this joint venture. We're up there with the UK on making wonky shit that works well. We just take longer to do it.
But we usually deal with America so that's probably not going to happen
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RoughVirtual1626Apr 11, 2026
+1
From what I read this jet will have the ability to deploy and control drone swarms.
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mcgee300Apr 11, 2026
+22
And the good thing is, it'll run on maple syrup, Yorkshire tea, olive oil and Sake... A diverse source of fuel
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ApexAurajinApr 11, 2026
+6
Olive oil as fuel with Sake as combined coolant and hydraulic fluid for the plane, maple syrup snack bars and yorkshire tea for the crews.
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mcgee300Apr 11, 2026
+2
A real combined international effort haha
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313378008135Apr 11, 2026
+2
And not just that top shelf premium sake either. It'll run on that c*** you have to heat up first.
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Fox_KuramaApr 11, 2026
Oi, keep the Yorkshire Tea out of this unless you want a certain brit becoming Emperor of Earth.
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ApplicationMaximum84Apr 11, 2026
+2
The workshare has already been agreed, any new partners will be investors who'll probably get a d******* on purchases of aircraft.
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goodguygreg808Apr 12, 2026
+1
Last I checked Japan was working with Northrop to use the YF23 as the start of their 5th Gen project.
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chef_26Apr 11, 2026
+17
Absolutely should happen, Canadian manufacturing capacity would help all four nations deliver this.
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WesternBlueRangerApr 11, 2026
+7
Canada is only getting observer status; basically access to early information and specs, and a chance to order the jet once the other partners have placed their orders.
Japan is going to be the biggest barrier to Canadian industrial involvement; Japan is notoriously difficult to work with in regards to getting any workshare off of them.
The three partner nations have already come to an agreement on the split of workshare between them after some very tense and difficult negotiations, and Japan, looking to safeguard their volatile aerospace sector, has been outright hostile to any suggestions to reopen the discussion to others or risk additional potential players taking work in the future. I suspect Japan's hostility to anyone joining and taking any workshare or renegotiating the workshare agreement will be a massive barrier to anyone looking to join and get any industrial involvement.
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Emergency-Hat-8715Apr 11, 2026
+1
I think that's fine. The "Canadian" companies that "do" fighter jets are mostly run by execs that only live in Canada 3 months out of the year.
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Detroits_Apr 11, 2026
+2
See this mentality is why Canadian engineers end up in the us
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Emergency-Hat-8715Apr 12, 2026
+1
Only second rate ones.
Better ones start their own companies and do just fine
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Detroits_Apr 12, 2026
+1
Starting your own engineering company in Canada 😭
Sure man
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Emergency-Hat-8715Apr 12, 2026
Mike Lazaridis
Joseph‑Armand Bombardier
Tobias Lütke
Michele Romanow
Garrett Camp
Ted Livingston
Martin Basiri
Stephen Lake
Ryan Gariepy
Alex Fernandes
Allen Lau
Mike Serbinis
Robert Niven
Scott Gravelle
Rahul Goel
Karen McGhee
Susan Niczowski
Dax Dasilva
Colin Harris
J.W. Mitchell
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Detroits_Apr 12, 2026
+1
Do you want me to name the brilliant engineers and mathematicians that have left Canada because we did not support them?
The list would exceed the limit of characters on Listnook.
Half of Silicon Valley is just Waterloo grads
Imagine what we could do if we fostered an environment where we actually kept them.
But people like you would actually celebrate the fact that Canadian companies wouldn’t manufacture high tech jets?
Even in your list it’s flawed
Garrett camp co founded uber…. In the us. Again imagine if we had given him the resources here
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Emergency-Hat-8715Apr 12, 2026
Lots of words, didn't read
Fix your r&d spending so it goes to better engineers
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Detroits_Apr 12, 2026
+1
Your not even Canadian?
Who the f*** cares about your opinion
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BrambletailApr 11, 2026
+11
NATO deciding to not have one or even two, but 4 different 6th gen fighter jets is going to be fun for supply chains
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DeltaJesusApr 11, 2026
+12
It's not really going to change anything is it? NATO currently has what like 8 different 4th gen fighters in service?
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Potato271Apr 11, 2026
+2
F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 (USA), Typhoon (European), Rafale (France) and Gripen (Sweden) makes six, what else is there? I guess there's probably a couple of NATO countries operating some sort of Russian built MIGs/Sukhois?
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DeltaJesusApr 11, 2026
+2
MIG-29 is still in service with a couple yeah, Poland has some KAI T-50s now too and both France and Greece are still operating Mirage 2000s. I don't think it would be unreasonable to argue that the super hornet and gripen E are different aircraft to their original models too, at least in the context of supply chain logistics given they are substantially different.
So at least 9, arguably more, if I've not missed any.
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[deleted]Apr 11, 2026
+8
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PqzzoRqzzoApr 11, 2026
+2
Yea but the French are probably gonna make one on their own regardless
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keepitfriendApr 11, 2026
-7
Well probably better than everyone using the F35 given Irans figured out how to hit them
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helen_must_dieApr 11, 2026
+2
Now if they could only figure out how to down them.
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mufanekApr 11, 2026
+3
Honestly, I don't see it happening. I heard Japan is pretty strict about timelines and renegotiating the shares in the project would definitely delay it (it's not as easy to as saying it's 25% instead of 33% and Canada pays money now).
I would love to see the countries named (like 5 at this point) to be adopters, even "tier 2" partners with some manufacturing, but not at the price of delaying the whole thing right now.
Also I wouldn't want Canada to join at the expense of other projects. Canadian military has been underfunded heavily for the past decade or so and they basically need to build many parts from scrap. Having both this project and rebuilding of the army would mean making it to more like 3% of GDP defence spending where the 1% will just go towards GCAP. I would hate the GCAP to be known as "semi-vanity project that killed Canadian armed forces" (with reference to canadian forces, would never call GCAP a vanity project). Sounds great as a headline, gets worse with every fact you know.
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WesternBlueRangerApr 11, 2026
+1
Yep; Japan has a deadline they want to hit, which is 2035 as they want to start replacing their F-2 fighters by that time.
Japan is also notoriously difficult to negotiate workshare with; Japan has a vested interest in protecting their aviation industry, and has been outright hostile to any suggestions of renegotiation of workshare for any reason. The negotiations for the current workshare agreements were bad enough; I doubt the UK and Italy are willing to reopen that can of worms again.
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jphamloreApr 11, 2026
+5
Just within NATO, the United States, Sweden, and Turkey are fielding / developing 5th generation fighter jets? Can France be invited to this coalition advanced fighter jet?
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Polar_VortxApr 11, 2026
+25
France/Germany/Spain are working on their own thing. Not going great, last I heard, but I don’t think they’re gonna change horses yet.
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zztopsthetopApr 11, 2026
-6
Germany might be swapped out for India
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aquaticwatcherApr 11, 2026
+25
India would not be my favorite partner as a nato member, they are just as likely to sell that jet to Russia as you. If the goal is air superiority, you dont want a potential enemy to have your stuff.
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[deleted]Apr 11, 2026
+4
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retropoliticApr 11, 2026
+4
Was the needful not done?
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luffy9271Apr 11, 2026
+1
Can you provide me a source for this. Not able to find it.
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slimeyy_02Apr 11, 2026
+1
spreading misinfo, aren't we? Do you really think Russia would drop ther biggest arms destination for which now they're keen on selling Su-57 again. India withdrew from the FGFA programme in 2018 due to multiple reasons technological dissatisfaction, lack of ToT, escalating costs, work share disputes and shift towards domestic self reliance.
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ForcedChangelingApr 11, 2026
+14
We’d rather not. Every time France gets involved with an aeronautical project - it doesn’t seem to go well due to their obsession with making it work on a carrier and have it be mostly built in France.
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Farewell-FarewellApr 11, 2026
+3
They'll allow you to manufacture the wing mirrors, but only on Thursdays.
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reflect25Apr 11, 2026
+8
france won't join GCAP jet as they need their jets to be able to land on their carriers. actually germany has a high chance of joining the GCAP project
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idee_fx2Apr 11, 2026
+6
>actually germany has a high chance of joining the GCAP project
They have none because they would have an even smaller industrial share than what they currently have with France and spain.
Germany sees this a fighter jet program as an industrial project first and a weapon system second. So they would gladly have a system late and overpriced as long as german companies are happy, as they do with the eurodrone.
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reflect25Apr 11, 2026
[https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/02/11/japan/germany-fighter-jet-program/](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/02/11/japan/germany-fighter-jet-program/)
>Germany considers joining GCAP fighter project with Japan, U.K. and Italy
In 2017, Germany and France came up with a joint development project for a next-generation fighter model, in which Spain later participated. However, defense companies from Germany and France struggled over leadership, leading to a breakdown of trust, according to a German newspaper.
Against this background, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz sought the possibility of his country joining the Japan-Britain-Italy project — known as the Global Air Combat Program (GCAP) — during his visit to Italy last month.
The main problem is that France wants a jet that can land on carriers, while germany doesn't need that.
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ClumsyRainbowApr 11, 2026
Does the UK not care about carrier capabilities? They also operate two.
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UnkindledTrashApr 11, 2026
+4
UK uses F-35Bs for their Aircraft carriers and plans to keep them around for several decades, makes no sense to scrap/sideline them for a newer fighter.
What GCAP is for, is to eventually replace the RAF Typhoons as they are a non stealth based aircraft.
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boat_hamsterApr 11, 2026
-7
Operate is a strong term. We built two aircraft carriers.
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Farewell-FarewellApr 11, 2026
+7
Honestly, you would not want France involved, considering the mess they are making of FCAS with their mates Germany and Spain, and their looooong history of breaking joint military ventures.
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jrizzle86Apr 11, 2026
+1
Unfortunately historically France are a nightmare on collaborative military projects
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helen_must_dieApr 11, 2026
The United States is currently testing its 6th generation fighter jet, the F-47.
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jphamloreApr 11, 2026
+3
I'm going to guess the UK deserves top billing in this project because of Rolls Royce's decades long expertise in engines?
The engine to be used in the sixth generation fighter jet will have 10 times the electrical power output for things such as lasers?
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TwiggyhiggleApr 11, 2026
+3
I mean Canada does have its own airplane manufacturer with Bombardier, so it’s not exactly a slouch. Mitsubishi has been producing planes since WW2, so they aren’t a stranger either. Granted their last fighter project was the customization of the F-16 for Japan, but it did include domestic production. They also made rockets for their space program. Italy has its own defense contractors, and had a current military jets and helicopters in service.
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ApplicationMaximum84Apr 11, 2026
+2
The work is equally shared between the 3 countries, they'll probably create a multinational consortium i.e. like they have for the Typhoon EuroJet Turbo comprised of Rolls Royce (UK), MTU Aero (Germany), Avio aero (Italy) and ITP Aero (Spain)
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Kaboose666Apr 12, 2026
+3
They already did, it's called Edgewing.
They also created a trinational governmental organization to oversee the program called GIGO.
Edgewing (the corporate joint venture) and GIGO now both hold the GCAP airworthiness certification and complete design authority, meaning technically the aircraft's development is officially directly out of any single governments control.
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BriniaSonaApr 11, 2026
-8
Do we get the Valkyrie series or the Zeta Gundam and Re-Gz line?
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Late-Boomer-57Apr 11, 2026
-1
If we all have the same jet, we won’t fight each other?
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AnomalousNexusApr 11, 2026
-2
Canada will ensure it can operate at -40 in a snow storm, while still having cup holders to support their XL Double-Double addiction.
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Alternative-Medium79Apr 11, 2026
-12
Could have been Germany Italy japan
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bestaflexApr 11, 2026
-6
Good luck making canadien, uk and japan working together.
All of them are pretty good on their own but work and industrial cultures are going to be hell.
I'm french and worked with all of them :
- uk great blue collars, management are two faced SOB that do not produce anything and love jerking each other in meetings before giving all the work to the one or two guys actually getting shit done.
- canadians : work place well being got so out of hand it's easier to Just fire staff than tell them they're slow.
- japan : nothing gets done until the plan is perfected to the umpteenth décimal. On the right side they'll still meet target Because half the staff won't even go home during the entité project.
Oh and us french are not better : yes Our productivity is through the roof but we have lot's of unworked days, are almost as blunt as dutch and don't like to be told how to do stuff. I you ever have to manage a french way easier to tell them have this done by that date and wait then trying to micromanage Because they'll get in malicious compliance or f*** you mode instantly.
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emperosApr 11, 2026
-23
Ah just what one of the most complex projects in human history needs, more cooks in the kitchen
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angelus14Apr 11, 2026
+17
If you read the article, Canada is just asking to be an observer, which doesn't mean they're part of the engineering process. It does allow them to potentially become a buyer, or ask to join the project later, or neither of those.
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Ornery_Tension3257Apr 13, 2026
+1
Ukraine. Iran. Drones.
"The nature of modern warfare is changing rapidly with new weaponry based on drones and machine learning. Yet, military planners are immersed in studying past battles. Here are two versions of a pertinent maxim:
(1) Generals are always preparing to fight the last war.
(2) The military always prepares for the previous war."
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2026/01/27/last-war/
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