It was more so the 20% raise and the lack of other work, if we are being honest.
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Flimsy-Ad27011 day ago
+193
And the increasing youth unemployment rate. Theres always a pragmatic answer to why people want to join but they wont say that during the interview.
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steelpeat1 day ago
+62
The youth unemployment rate is still lower than 2008 and 2009 levels. Back then recruitment was plummeting. So I don't think those two factors are related.
I think it's because they increased the pay, and spent over 5 years trying to improve the culture of the military to make it less toxic.
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Feisty_Koala_8531 day ago
+30
Maybe just two things to also consider here though:
Youth unemployment is actually now about the same as it was 2008/9.
There were also a lot of barriers back then, even if people wanted to join: You had to be a citizen, you had to meet physical fitness standard, you had to pass an entry exam, you generally couldn’t have any psychiatric conditions, etc.
Today, that’s all gone.
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RadCheese5271 day ago
+17
Not to mention we were in Afghanistan. Had a few buddies sign up fresh out of high school and ship out. The stories I heard from them definitely made me reconsider.
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SinisterCanuck1 day ago
+2
Yeah, this.
Two my good friends enlisted immediately after graduating in '04. One ended up doing 4 tours with the infantry and the other 2 being a tank trooper.
Neither have ever been the same since they got out.
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Myrdraall1 day ago
+1
My friend beat the non-living shit out of an inflatable Santa in front of a retirement home a year or 2 after getting back.
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Sawyerthesadist23 hr ago
+1
…well did Santa deserve it?
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Myrdraall21 hr ago
+2
Heard the guy likes kids
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SmokingApple1 day ago
+5
What? There's no physical requirements? Is basic gone?
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Keksmonster1 day ago
+9
I think having a relevant threat to your country makes people more willing to join the military.
In the past decades there was a lot of negative sentiment towards the military because the wars that were fought were in the middle east and the cold war was over.
People weren't too willing to die so companies get richer
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Careless-Vehicle-28615 hr ago
+1
When I looked it up it was like 40,000/year and have to relocate to some random base? F*** that. Government pay sucks across the board is what I hear
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wubbbalubbadubdub1 day ago
+9
Is "I need a job" not a valid reason?
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GeorgeWashingfun1 day ago
+9
Yes but that's not as great a headline for Canada as "Young people are feeling incredibly patriotic and ready to fight big mean Trump."
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John_Bruns_Wick1 day ago
+1
In 2009 jobs were the same but bad recruitment numbers so it seems to be another factor
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biscuitarse20 hr ago
Counterpoint: Trump fucks children.
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SgtExo1 day ago
+2
Hearing about the backlog for people that wanted to join before, I think that funding the service more so that more people can be accepted and trained makes a bigger difference. From what I was hearing it was never a lack of people, but a lack throughput to accept recruits.
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ridicone1 day ago
+1
Maybe there treated like actual human beings in the military...
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Careless_Twist_69351 day ago
+2
if your not in combat arms it's actually a pretty decent gig.
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iceguy21411 day ago
+11
And the new immigrant category for ex-military personnel. There was an arcticle on it a while back.
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Jellicent-Leftovers1 day ago
+20
That and a significant amount of non combat roles added
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Sad-Excitement92951 day ago
+7
At least your soldiers are being paid and jobs created! Not to mention it strengthens your national defense! Maybe you guys can work on a large engineer division so they can still work on things part time when there is suitable work available?
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SideInitial39611 day ago
+9
This. 100%. Real unemployment is insane. Young men are desperate and scared, military is security, 3 hots and a cot.
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TacoTaconoMi1 day ago
+2
From the stories I hear from st Jean it's mostly immigrants who can't speak English or French looking for PR status joining in support roles
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Candid_Cat_59211 day ago
+1
Yeah, even though it sounds nice, I think if people thought the chance of going to war was higher there would be a drop in recruitment not an increase.
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OperationClear5881 day ago
+114
This more so is an indicator of lack of employment and bad economy in Canada. The US saw a major jump in recruitment after the 2008 housing crisis as well.
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FeI0n1 day ago
+9
I think its both. Countries with worse youth unemployment rates had 30% increases, were at 64%
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rygem11 day ago
+36
Being the best paid military in the western world during an employment/housing crisis will do that, the defined pensions after 25 years doesn’t hurt either. Add in it being one of the more straightforward way for a PR/citizenship following the international student loopholes getting closed tighter and you have a recipe for mass recruitment.
There is a big asterisks. Although the BMQ course does appear to be weeding people out who ought not be in (big article in Canada last week about recruits having issues taking orders from female officers, and unit infighting due to cultural/racial tensions for example) Our military has a history of brushing what they feel is an acceptable amount of toxic attitudes like that under the rug to make performance metrics look good to the point a lot of military functions have been handed over to the civilian DND because the CAF can’t be trusted to follow the rules.
Rumour right now is the new governor general accepted the role on the condition the goverment pass legislation handing over all judicial power to the civilian courts.
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AdWestern15611 day ago
+7
Having a large recruitment of immigrants that only want to use it as a PR road does not fill me with confidence.
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Vhett1 day ago
+25
Then it'd behoove you to do some research!
The CAF just stopped anyone with less than 3 years of PR from applying, and cancelled everyone's application who didn't meet that requirement!
Confidence fulfilled!
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Various-Salt4881 day ago
+67
lol, there’s no “China fear” here. There is an America fear though.
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TessaFinks1 day ago
+22
India state media like Firstpost would leave out India seeing as how India murdered a Canadian dissident.
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J_Kant1 day ago
+5
The idea that Canada faces any conventional military threat from India is ludicrous. Preventing assassinations is the CSIS/RCMP's role not a military concern.
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SideInitial39611 day ago
+67
Definitely not. Young men are out of work, no remedy in site, can't afford rent or food. That's what's actually driving this. No one here cares about China let alone young men. That is a total lie.
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FeI0n1 day ago
+18
we aren't seeing similar spikes in europe with ~~much higher~~ similar rates of unemployment for youth.
Germany and a few other countries saw a 20% spike year over year, in canada its been over 60%.
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SideInitial39611 day ago
-2
Good. And I hope you don't. Canada is not culturally similar to Europe, Albertans are like Texans. You don't have anything like them in Europe. I can't explain the difference but I can assure you no one in Alberta is mentioning China, but everyone is mentioning how hard it is to find a job.
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FeI0n1 day ago
+8
I'm Canadian. The UK has a near 16% unemployment rate for youths and they were still just shy of a 30% uptick.
The uptick in recruitment is not purely because of the economic hardships were going through here in Canada. We have it relatively good compared to our friends across the Atlantic.
I think the trade war and 51st state rhetoric has lead to a spike in patriotism, and its doing a lot more then people that like to doom about the state of our country would ever want to admit.
As a Canadian not living in Alberta I feel like I have a much deeper cultural connection to Europeans then i do Texans.
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SideInitial39611 day ago
-9
Your feeling is not reality. This is classic listnook. "I feel this therefore stats". Nope. Move to Alberta then report.
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Xargon94171 day ago
+13
Your argument is not an argument. You just said some stuff without any backing, and then, when given a logical response, just said you're wrong.
Go back to AI bot school to learn how to actually have a conversation.
I am Canadian. I lived in Saskatchewan. I have family in Alberta, and I can speak on this.
There are people like you said, but there are a lot of others who don't think like that.
Also, this Alberta/USA behavior is in every country.
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SideInitial39611 day ago
-5
I'm not arguing. You are. Facts I shared about Alberta are easily confirmed. I've lived there. These facts are true. Live there. Then comment.
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hortence1 day ago
+6
> "I feel this therefore stats".
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christhebloke1 day ago
Bavaria is Alberta-adjacent.
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Amijiw1 day ago
+25
Mmm... reading all the comments about unemployment drivers etc etc. How about we give our young people some more credit and kudos. It takes a lot to put on a uniform and be part of the military, regardless of which corps or specialty. Maybe, we should just say that we are proud of them for stepping up and committing - and for many of us; doing it in our stead.
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Stunning_North_75491 day ago
+12
What? Get off the grass! Just kidding, well said. In fact, lets remember to give them all, past/present, the respect and gratitude from us that they have earned for serving the Country of Canada.
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Xargon94171 day ago
We're Canadian! Respect and gratitude for everyone!!!🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
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maplealvon1 day ago
+5
Funny how the "thank you for your service" sooks will come up with all sorts of bullshit to discredit soldiers of a nation they threatened to annex.
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2EscapedCapybaras1 day ago
+7
I joined in January 1982 due to the Reagan recession. It only took 1 1/2 months from when I went to the recruiting centre to going to basic. By the time I finished basic and my trades training, the wait to get in for my support trade was over 9 months. The poor economy is definitely a driver for a lot of people to join.
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Redditisavirusiknow17 hr ago
+5
There is no China fear in Canada. But there is a huge fear of America.
China never threatened to invade us.
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Bishopjones21121 day ago
+3
To bad about the retention issues. It’s still an issue that hasn’t been curbed enough. With technical trades being hardest hit some approaching losing a person every 2-3 days. Efforts are made and they are on the right track, they just need to keep pushing.
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AtmosphereMiddle16821 day ago
+3
China so scawy! 😖
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Stunning_North_75491 day ago
+5
The title is click bait. Most Canadians would stand for Ukraine because it is the right thing to do. Not new news to us. We have supported them in training since Crimea. (Operation UNIFIER) Why would our citizens join the army over China fears? China we can handle. Our enlistments are not by any means up because we are scared of the Americans. Lol. E. swear word etc.
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FrismFrasm1 day ago
+4
>China we can handle.
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FeI0n1 day ago
+1
I don't think the spike in patriotism caused by this trade war and 51st state annexation rhetoric out of trump and his people should be dismissed,
The state of our economy is definitely playing a part but its still double the spike in recruitment (as a percentage) seen in other countries with similiar youth unemployment rates.
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ACivtech1 day ago
+1
Ukraine and China.. uhh no. Easy pathway to citizenship.
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Xargon94171 day ago
+4
Mutual beneficial. You fight for Canada, then you're Canadian in my eyes!
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lilybat-gm1 day ago
+3
I’m not cut out for the military, but if we had some kind of civilian defence corps, I’d join it instantly and enthusiastically. It’s clear America wants to subsume us, if even just taking Alberta via fraudulent and seditious means.
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Xargon94171 day ago
+1
Natives own the land. It's like me deciding to sell my neighbors house.
I can say I'm going to do it all I want, but if I actually do sell it, it's not like I can actually give it away.
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lilybat-gm1 day ago
+2
Swing and a miss on my point, though yours are valid
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Xargon94171 day ago
+1
Huge miss. Responded to the wrong comment. Agree with yours
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Reasonable-Gas-97711 day ago
+2
Or unseen difficulty to find a job?
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Super_Toot1 day ago
+2
Recession indicator.
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[deleted]1 day ago
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Only_Manav1 day ago
+15
Well you can't be in the Canadian Military if you are not a citizen or a PR with Canadian Domicile.
The CAF would probably appreciate if you let them know about somebody with a visa that has managed to join their personnel.
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NordWitcher1 day ago
+2
Do they fast track him to citizenship? Is that why he’s doing it?
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Dominioningurass1 day ago
+3
He deleted his comments because he was lying and he got caught.
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NordWitcher1 day ago
+2
Ahhh gotcha. Makes sense lol. Cause the US does that. So was wondering if the CAF started doing it as well.
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Dominioningurass1 day ago
+14
This isn't true, you have to verify citizenship or permanent residency to join, you're misinformed or are just playing turbo-telephone.
Permanent Residency in Canada is near equal to citizenship and classifies you almost the exact same as a Canadian Citizen aside from voting.
Edit: Oh he's an Albertan lying about Canada, what a surprise.
Edit2: Oh he deleted it all now, fun.
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Maxamillion-X721 day ago
+5
He's an Albertan anti-vaxxer covid-denier, they don't like facts to get in the way of their feelings.
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NordWitcher1 day ago
+1
Wdym he’s an Albertan?
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Dominioningurass1 day ago
+6
He's from Alberta, I checked his comment history and he regularly lies about Canada because he doesn't agree with our broader political spectrum.
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NordWitcher1 day ago
+1
Ohhh I see. And he deleted his user name lol.
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UrbanistTroglodyte1 day ago
-20
North American yellow peril is the wackiest shit, how are you gonna call them an existential threat and give them all your jobs at the same time?
Canada gave China their economy years ago, whats worth Invading for? Tim Hortons?
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SideInitial39611 day ago
+13
No one in Canada cares about China. It's a lie.
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mmoore3271 day ago
+7
Polls clearly show Canadians think more positively of China than American right now - neither are very positive, but China is higher so the fear mongering that works so well to keep uneducated Americans in check really isn't going to work up here
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UrbanistTroglodyte1 day ago
-11
Sure man, you from a city or a small town? I worked from nowhere Alberta, the east coast, Montreal and Toronto and I can definitely say that you may need to reconsider how susceptible you are to fear mongering as a nation. You don't want to be using the USA as your check engine light for that one.
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LickinThighs21 day ago
-2
Canadians are afraid of America. China ain't the one threatening to annex us and actively working with separatists in places like Alberta to make our country weaker as a whole. China doesn't dominate our media landscape or carry out economic imperialism with the sheer scale of Canadian businesses that are just subsidiaries of American ownership (including f****** Timmies which is garbage, and people should just boycott given they're one of the most egregious abusers of LMIA scam jobs to suppress wages etc).
'Canada gave China their economy years ago'
I think you mean Reagonomics moved Canadian and American manufacturing overseas for cheaper labour input costs because the people who own our economies don't believe in citizens earning the value of their labour and have been working to actively weaken the middle class for decades. What you're accusing Canada of, America has also done
'what's worth invading for' well you're clearly worked up over the concept of an economy being 'given' to the enemy so it stands to reason that's what you'd be invading for.
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UrbanistTroglodyte1 day ago
+3
China isnt my enemy buddy, weird thing to assume, its just who took on the manufacturing when our countries asked them to, but thanks for explaining neo-liberalism I suppose.
Honestly apart being weird and invasion the digression being... weird, it sounds like we agree, so have a good one mate.
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Massive-Trifle57201 day ago
-11
I support mandatory military service for all Canadian citizens, with a few exceptions. Mobilization would be limited to defence of the nation and individuals would retain the right to own firearms. This solution addresses Canadians desire to keep their guns while also meeting Canada’s need for more trained military personnel.
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Sad-Excitement92951 day ago
-14
Uh oh, not the Canadians, eh? Let's not fight. Maybe we can find some mutual cause to work on?
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Adventurous_Web_79611 day ago
-19
and the fact that the country might split into 3 in the coming years. .
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