First year 116k per kid only 300k kids then 13k ish after that, if every penny went to the kids.
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RedTruck5003 days ago
+21
Most will end up in the hands of tribal chiefs like all the other programs. Because trying to enforce good governance is racist
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Aineisa4 days ago
+134
Canada spends more on the FN than it does on its own national defence.
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yuikkiuy4 days ago
+16
46.5 billion last fiscal year, 30.6 billion on defense...
However, things ARE changing, FN spending down to 36B for FN and up to 48B Defense.
For context the 2024-2025 budget would be the equivalent of giving every FN status holder 58k CAD payout that year.
And 2025-2026 45k CAD per status holder
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Donnicton4 days ago
+66
I mean that *should* be the ideal of any country, spending more on their own people than on military.
Sadly certain elements have made that a less ideal proposition lately.
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RollingTrue4 days ago
+128
There's more than one peoples in Canada though.
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Simple-Dingo67214 days ago
+19
Yeah but there’s not more than one Canada.
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Virillus4 days ago
+10
First, the two are expected to be equivalent this year.
Secondly, the amounts actually spent are way, way, way lower than our defense budget. Spending has "increased" because of legal settlements (total legal liability is currently $73 billion) - current estimates are that legal liability will constitute the majority of total long term spend.
Thirdly, there are over a million First Nations in Canada. When you remove legal settlements - because that's forced on the government, they're not actively making that decision - per capita spending on First Nations across all governments is roughly equivalent to the average Canadian (around $30,000 per capita per year).
Basically: when you break down the spending, there's honestly nothing exceptional going on. For example, this exact funding in the article we're discussing is for child welfare programs. In Canada, the vast majority of the time, the Federal government is responsible for funding FN child welfare, whereas for everyone else, it's the responsibility of the provinces. This artificially "inflates" Federal spending.
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yuikkiuy4 days ago
+10
The legal settlements are honestly killing the nation, with ridiculous claims being granted by activist judges who belong in prison.
Example large swaths of privately owned land in cities having their land rights and titles being granted to first nations (clan/council, for context i mea the governing bodies of specific first nations groups) who claim it. Beyond it being just frivolous to begin with, every first nation is claiming all the land now because of that landmark ruling that the government itself is disputing.
Its wrecked generational home owners as they dont own their land anymore, and the claims are being contested by other first nations to begin with.
You also can't just claim legal rights to previously conquered land on the basis of you having conquered and occupied it at some point before you were conquered by the new ruling powers. The fact that we have activist judges who think thats a valid argument is insanity...
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yaxyakalagalis4 days ago
+8
Not one fee-simple land holder "lost" their land rights.
The claim was not frivolous, that land was supposed to be designated an Indian Reserve for those bands, and it was illegally sold by a government agent to himself. They went to England to petition the Crown directly to get it back over 100 years ago and have been fighting every way they could to get it back.
FNs are not "*claiming land now*" it's been claimed since before Confedration, and formalized after the BC Treaty Process started.
Nobody lost their land, or title, or mortgage or the ability to sell, and even assessed values haven't decreased. The decision was paused for 18 months to allow negotiations to resolve the issue of overlapping titles.
Canada has radical title to all of Canada, but that doesn't extinguish Aboriginal Title, only the Crown can do that and only by agreement. This was declared by the Crown in the Royal Proclamation of 1763. Reaffirmed in the Supreme Court of Canada case Calder in 1973. I don't think anyone would claim that 50 years of SCC jurisprudence is by activist judges, especially when Aboriginal Title was recognized in Tsilhqotin unanimously, 8-0.
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Ornery_Tension32573 days ago
-1
"Reaffirmed in the Supreme Court of Canada case Calder in 1973"
Something that will get you brownie points in law school:
6 of 7 justices recognized the existence of title, however 3 of those led by Justice Judsonfound that title had been extinguished by the Provincial land system. However again the full panel of all 9 justices in Sparrow affirmed the finding of the three led by Justice Hall that title existed and continued.
https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/calder_case/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_v_British_Columbia_(AG)
"Hall asked instead whether a "competent legislative authority" had enacted specific legislation revealing "clear and plain" intention to extinguish aboriginal title. This had not happened, so this three-justice plurality concluded that the Nisga'a still had aboriginal title in 1973. This test was eventually accepted as the proper test for extinguishment in R v Sparrow, [1990] 1 SCR 1075."
The ethnic cleansing by the back or secret door argument didn't make it. I believe from Delgamuk on there is now a consent requirement though I graduated and didn't practice or read (the Delgamuk decision is three books long).
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RarelyReadReplies4 days ago
-10
And everyone else pays taxes too... Sorry, but it seems unfair to me. We should all be equal. I believe in an egalitarian society, full stop.
Edit: I love that one of the top comments says the same basic thing, but I get downvoted lol. I'm just glad the idea gets support though tbh. Crazy that equality seems so foreign and evil to some.
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SirMrAdam4 days ago
+2
The land wasnt "stolen" yesterday, it was stolen 200 years ago. If Canada has to roll the map back 200 years then I think everyone else should too.
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big_galoote4 days ago
+2
F****** they can buy it right back and reimburse all of the property taxes I've paid for the infrastructure.
Otherwise, the billions they've already gotten have paid for it a hundred fold.
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
-15
Maybe if you hadn't decimated their culture and communities with compulsory residential schools they'd have more luck on their own.
Edit: I would love to hear the perspective of the down voters. Do they think the schools didn't exist or that beatings, r***, separation from their parents, disallowance of their language and enforcement of Christianity are what makes people strong and healthy?
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Kandrox4 days ago
-9
They are just simple bigots that believe and parrot the hatred that has been passed down for generations. To blind to see that a lot of money that goes to FNs comes from court battles that their own government is losing because they failed to uphold treaties and promises or is simply reparations for past injustices.
Like they care either way though. They have no real love in their heart to care for humanity.
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sharp11flat134 days ago
-8
The residential schools are just the very public tip of the iceberg. We stole their f***g land and made much of their cultures illegal. And now we prosper while they suffer. We owe them more than we can ever repay. 🇨🇦
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big_galoote4 days ago
+11
Nothing is stopping you from giving up everything. Yet here you are selfishly using a tech device on the internet, when that money could have gone to FN, and their cultures.
Where are you sleeping? Are you crossing over into the US or on a boat? *Surely* you wouldn't be hypocritical to dare sleep on stolen land too after posting that shit comment?
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Kakkoister3 days ago
-2
It's actually embarrassing to see someone still unironically using the "erm, but you participate in society, hypocrite!" argument.
You can't reasonably cut out all problematic connecting elements from your life and still be part of society right now. That doesn't mean you can't criticize these systems we've been born into. We criticize and try to push for changes so we can hopefully reduce those problematic things we're forced to support/take part in to live right now, to try and strive for a BETTER future for everyone as a whole.
If everyone acted like you throughout history, so much more suffering would have been allowed to take place, and so much less action against exploitative forces taken.
Just because we haven't solved every problem doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Just because people still litter doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to stop it and clean up.
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big_galoote3 days ago
+5
No, what's actually embarrassing is the comment I replied to that you glossed over to write this absolute garbage.
Hypocrisy is one of the worst sins. There is nothing more abhorrent about screaming about reparations for living on "stolen land" *while you continue to do so.*
F****** get out of here, and then crow about returning stolen land from somewhere else.
Otherwise no one wants your opinion, because it's less valuable than their own.
As for your personal attack on me, because you're just dim I guess, I'd love for you to expand how having and *standing* by my own principles versus just armchair posting allows for more suffering. Shouldn't *people like that* lead by example? Like why the f*** do you think their opinion should be considered valid when they're still committing the atrocity they're accusing others of?
>Just because people still litter doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to stop it and clean up.
And I guess this is the obvious part you're missing: when the person throwing the litter is the same piece of shit hypocrite lecturing others about not littering, the message gets lost. In the same way that pieces of shit *are still living on "stolen land" demanding that others make reparations for them*.
No, *you* f****** sell your house, move out of your apartment or stfu. Don't f****** come here and lecture others for doing the same as you, it's disgusting.
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Kandrox4 days ago
-5
Braindead take
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big_galoote4 days ago
+8
Another hypocrite. Put *your* money where your mouth is or stay quiet in the corner.
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Kandrox4 days ago
-3
I do volunteer work, donate and work within communities. What do you do?
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big_galoote3 days ago
+2
I try to hold on to my pay for dear life unfortunately the government still manages to steal about 60% every year through various levels of taxation.
So perhaps you'd consider getting jobs instead of volunteering and donating your entire salaries to the feds so I don't have to?
Clearly what's important to you doesn't mirror what's important to me, but I am tired about paying for things that are completely unimportant to me that waste billions.
The people who feel this strongly really should be selling their own houses, donating all of their proceeds, and gtfo from Canada so as not to perpetuate any more stolen land.
Where are you writing in from, and how much was your donated exit tax for FN? Clearly everything you earned in Canada should just be handed to them simply for existing. Otherwise you're just a hypocrite living on stolen land looking down on the rest of Canada from your pedestal.
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Kandrox3 days ago
-2
Maybe you need to learn financial literacy if you pay 60% of your income in taxes and still can't stay afloat. You would be earning a lot if that is the case.
I run my own business and a corporation.
I just care more about other people and help where and when I can.
Literally contradicts your own statements. Am I supposed to get a job? Give everything away or not? Supposed to leave?
I don't claim tax benefits from donations and i'm indigenous. So, moot point.
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big_galoote3 days ago
+1
>Maybe you need to learn financial literacy if you pay 60% of your income in taxes and still can't stay afloat.
Maybe you should learn how to comprehend the words you read. For instance, what words in my post led you to believe I wasn't staying afloat? Do you not understand most people *do not* want to pay taxes?
You say you run a business, yet you also point out that you're indigenous, so in actuality you qualify for way more tax credits than the rest of us that bankroll you.
And then you have the f****** audacity to ask me what *more* I'm contributing. How much is enough for you to take?
No need to reply, you're clearly on the receiving end of this gravy train. I'd love to live in a world where other people being taxed 60% is great because I volunteer and get handouts.
Alas, someone has to bankroll this shitshow. I thought it would be you, especially since you're so pro taxation that you volunteer and donate without claiming, but you won't even hand over all of your profits, yet expect others to. I'm guessing you're not claiming your donations because you've already maxed out your total refundable credits, so there's no value left.
No one that has a single bit of sense willingly gives the tax man more money.
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okiioppai4 days ago
-30
As a Canadian, I am okay with that. Wars don't do jack shit. Propping up people for success makes the nation much greater.
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Dittymaker4 days ago
+44
Dumping billions into this bottomless pit hasn't done jack shit either, what is it now over $30bn a year for the last decade? All while healthcare and housing has been severely struggling for all Canadians
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yaxyakalagalis4 days ago
+13
Not even close, it was $7 billion ten years ago.
Most of it is for healthcare, education, social services and infrastructure, plus 2 federal departments with 8,000 staff. These aren't covered by provinces like all other Canadians who use the same systems. Even status Indians who live off reserve don't get provincial healthcare coverage, it's done in the prov system, but the bill goes to Canada.
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
-11
How many lives were lost and destroyed by the Canadian policies against First Nation peoples? That will cost a lot of money to fix.
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GeorgeWashingfun4 days ago
+1
That there are any First Nations people still alive to complain about it is all the payment they need.
Their lands were conquered and taken from them the same way the world worked for thousands of years, it's time to get over it.
They should be treated no differently than any other Canadian.
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WillWillSmiff4 days ago
+2
Wild way of looking at things. The last reform schools closed in the 90s.
Would be interested in knowing your opinions on Apartheid South Africa. Possibly even your thoughts on Rhodesia.
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
-5
But, they never have been, ever? If they were Canada wouldn’t really exist as it is right now. That’s the whole point of this settlement? Attitudes are entrenched negatively towards the indigenous so, that “treating them no differently “ is statistically unlikely to happen.
Would you comment like this to the British slave owners who got reparations until 2015/2017 for “giving up their stock”?
The formerly enslaved by the British didn’t get a dime, but multiple generations of people who benefitted from the atrocities their ancestors committed got payments and no one complained. We don’t even have a public list. (Actor Benedict Cumberbath admitted his family is a recipient.) Centuries of tax dollars to monsters who were already rich in the first place.
There is no temporal distancing the benefits for all that theft. Most of the world compensates people who have been wronged and no one can deny the indigenous are still being wronged.
If you don’t think they have, please go live on a reserve and see how that goes for you.
(Side note: no one seemed to care that 2 Canadian governments let a car company (Ford, I think) steal 1 Billion from Canadian tax payers. That’s a lot of money that went into pockets of CEOs. Indigenous people actually need that $$$.)
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GeorgeWashingfun4 days ago
+10
"Most" of the world absolutely does not compensate people for being wronged, especially for something like this. This is pretty specific to white guilt.
And yes, I think it's equally ridiculous that any slave owner descendants would be compensated for giving up their "stock." Just because some ridiculousness was allowed doesn't mean you should continue to allow even more though.
Get rid of the reserves as well as any special handouts and have them be normal citizens of their nation just like everyone else. I'm not saying you can't help them, by the way. If you want to enact programs to help people beneath the poverty line (or whatever non race based measurement you want to use) then do it but that assistance should be available to all Canadians that meet the requirements not specific minorities.
I really don't understand why not favoring people based on race is such a hard concept for so many people to understand.
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
-7
Let’s be real, Canada favours white people. You can pretend that’s not the case, but that is the exact reason this compensation package is happening.
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340486154 days ago
In what way are whites favoured?
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
-1
They weren't taken from their parents and put into an abusive residential school by force. They got to keep their family ties.
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Dittymaker4 days ago
-9
So let's f*** over every tax payer today because bad people hundreds of years ago did bad shit...
How many lives today could be saved with better funded healthcare?
How many lives today could be enhanced with better housing?
What is the end goal here, what conditions need to be met so that we don't have to light 10s of billions on fire every year?
Living in a two tiered society is just unacceptable, if this was money for all remote living places across the whole country would be more tolerable (still way too much) but it wouldn't be based off of what ethnicity you are at least
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splendidpluto4 days ago
+17
The last residential school closed in the 90's dude. The FN have been abused pretty recently
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Dittymaker4 days ago
+5
$300bn isn't enough for reparations? Where has all this money gone so far?
No one ever wants to answer the question of what are the ends. What are the conditions that need to be met to no longer have to dump money into FNs?
Cut the effected individuals who are still alive a cheque and let's please move on already
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yaxyakalagalis4 days ago
-10
Federal grant transfers aren't reparations.
It ends when the legal issues such as Aboriginal Rights & Title and the systemic issues are resolved.
Then there should be no more Indians, no more Indian Reserves and no more Indian Act.
Aboriginal Rights are communal, not individual.
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FierceMoonblade4 days ago
+3
The one in the 90s was not at similar to the ones previously run before the 60s and it’s really time people stopped parroting this from Listnook
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
+13
Hundreds of years ago? When do you think those schools closed down? How old do you think the survivors are? The abuse destroyed those people. They turned to drugs and alcohol to cope. They weren't able to be there for their own children.
Canada made that mess, they need to clean it up. This is one step in the right direction.
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Dittymaker4 days ago
+4
So cut them a cheque and move on already. Many Canadians are born into poverty but because they aren't the right ethnicity they don't get anything? This whole ethnic based spending program is disgusting
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
+7
"move on already"
There's born into poverty and born to people broken from government enforced abuse. Canada made it their business to break up these communities. If their parents didn't willingly turn their children over to the government, they were arrested and the kids were taken by force. Then they had no contact until they turned 18. That was 12 years for some children. 12 years of torture at the hands of the church. They were then expelled on their birthdays. No connect to their homeland. Their parents grieving the loss of them would have died or turned to drugs to cope. What kind of life were the survivors (yes I do mean survivors, many children died) supposed to make for themselves. The odds against them were long.
And again This Was The Plan of the Canadian government.
So there isn't a check to cut. Programs, like this, need to be put in place to give these communities a chance to come back together.
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
The poverty white people are born into is from capitalism, not the Canadian government committing genocide.
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yaxyakalagalis4 days ago
+4
Indians weren't people with the same rights until 1951, *hundreds of years ago* is a wild claim.
The poverty rate on reserve has been cut in half in the last 30 years with these billions lit on fire.
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Dittymaker4 days ago
+6
So we agree treating people different based off their ethnicity is bad. Cut the effected individuals a cheque and let's move on as a society, people who aren't FN are also struggling today and also born into poverty
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
+2
Not as much as indigenous. The people who committed the theft (of land) still have it and still benefit.
It’s not steal everything and then the people who stole just decide “everyone is equal now” when they have the power and are keeping ill gotten gains.
I am sure if someone stole your house, you wouldn’t be happy if everyone told you to get over it. That loss would affect your bloodline generations from now. Capitalism and white supremacy does not have the merit based social mobility you imagine.
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Dittymaker4 days ago
+10
If someone stole my house my great great great great great grandchild wouldn't be entitled to it, terrible analogy, no one currently living has had their land stolen.
What's your solution, every non FN person pack up and leave the country?
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
You are sick.
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karenskygreen4 days ago
+2
You do realize the government owned first nations. The government created reservations and forced aborginals on to them. They were not allowed to leave unless the RCMP gave them permission,.this only ended in 1968 not a hundered years ago.
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Unfair-Character-7204 days ago
+16
It's literally throwing money into a firepit. It'll do nothing sadly.
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+2
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Unfair-Character-7204 days ago
Yup but the bleeding hearts who've never stepped foot on a reserve or actually took a deep dive into these issues will think you're racist because you don't think it's a good idea.
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Careless-Vehicle-2864 days ago
This is completely false. You are lumping in regular services and utilities that all Canadians receive. The only difference is that the provinces cover a lot of what Canadians receive but the first nations receive it from the federal government.
Absolute nazi propaganda.
Once you compare Healthcare, education and most other critical services you'll see FN get far less per capita.
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jimbarino4 days ago
-4
Insane that you're being downvoted.
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okiioppai4 days ago
-1
Probably there were more bots and conservatives.
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Iambetterthanuhaha4 days ago
-16
That is why they will cancel the extra F35s....need the money to pay FN instead.
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Irr3l3ph4nt4 days ago
-7
Basic human decency aside, keeping the first nations thriving is as geopolitically important for Canada as an Army. Their remote permanent settlements is what allow us a very solid claim to half the polar region. That's why we uprooted and sent a ton of them up there in the first place, unfortunately...
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BobbyKotickMommyMilk4 days ago
+82
We've spent 50 billion on a group of people who make up less than 5% of the population just over the last 5 years. We give them more than our military.
I don't care that these are 'settlements' for lawsuits. The sheer scale of spending on such a tiny minority is absurd. I believe that every Canadian deserves equal treatment. Whether you are a first generation immigrant, a second generation immigrant, or a 100th generation immigrant.
Every person on this planet has ancestors that were wronged horribly by some government or another. I don't go around claiming the US should pay me for what they did to my family in their revolutionary war. Or Germany for forcing my grandfather to flee the famine they caused in the Netherlands.
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sluck1314 days ago
+46
yeah considering we are running a massive defficit 8.5 Billion is a ton of money.
would be nice if it felt like more government spending actually went to improving things for every day Canadians as well.
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Maximum_Curve_14714 days ago
+1
The progressive wing of the LPC would never allow that
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yaxyakalagalis4 days ago
+5
Do you understand that the majority of the spending is on things covered by provinces but aren't for status Indians?
The budget covers healthcare, education, social services, infrastructure, and two federal departments with 8,000 staff.
The most recent settlement was due to Canada underfunding indigenous youth care for decades, and that's where this money is coming from, to bring the spending up to equal the same per capita spend on non-indigenous youth.
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
+28
> group of people who make up less than 5% of the population just over the last 5 years.
[Gee I wonder why that is](https://apnews.com/article/canada-indigenous-women-sterilization-apology-reparations-ebcacc0f27b8d4c12d8690718202531d_)
>Every person on this planet has ancestors that were wronged horribly by some government or another.
When do you think the residential schools closed? How old do you think the survivors are?
The Canadian government made it's mission to destroy these communities. They were forced to give their children to abusive church run schools. I ranted about it above. The government made that mess and now it needs to fix it. They don't get to pull a whataboutism to get out of their responsibilities.
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thetermguy4 days ago
+7
\>The government made that mess and now it needs to fix it.
It's easy to feel attacked by what's happening, like people are somehow implying that I - or you - are responsible.
We aren't. I didn't do anything. Nor did my parents, nor did my grandparents. None of us are responsible for what happened in the early to mid 1900's.
Who's responsible is the Canadian gov't. That's who's responsible. We're not individually responsible, but we sure are collectively - and individually we should feel some responsibility for ensuring our gov't lives up to it's obligations.
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Mental_Peace4 days ago
-5
Why are people wanting to implode Canada. You are sowing division within the population with the race based justice and special treatment.
Until we throw everything out resentment will build in the population that suffers. What happens when resentment against a single collective reaches an extreme AND why are you pushing to find out. Have we not learnt from history what happens? Or is this on purpose, which arguably is MUCH worse.
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Kakkoister3 days ago
+4
"You're upsetting selfish people incapable of looking beyond themself, so stop trying to do the right thing."
Division is not being sown, it is being imagined by people like you who seem incapable of engaging with the nuance of complex topics like this or empathizing with peoples still suffering from the long-term implications of their treatment. You are choosing to feel divided rather than understand why we should be doing the given thing.
It's like telling your partner to stop talking or else you'll hit them.
It's fine to criticize specific policies, but now you're the one pushing divisionary rhetoric.
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Mental_Peace3 days ago
-6
I would advise you to learn how WW2 started. I will give you a hint, the German population was bankrupt due to having to repay for WW1.
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
+12
Thank you. Commit atrocities and keep the benefits is the thinking of the types of comments you are intelligently responding to.
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Maximum_Curve_14714 days ago
+10
At what point does it end? 200 years? 500 years? 1000 years?
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DigitallyDetained3 days ago
+4
Why start at 200?? These crimes are FRESH compared to that. It’s only been like 30 years since the last school closed. Not to mention historical agreements simply ignored and profits kept for decades and decades. Even if you don’t pay interest on that…. It’s a staggering amount.
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LostAndLikingIt3 days ago
+3
Well thats a good discussion for when we hit those gaps. We're not there yet.
Look into the court cases and when they happened and how it was fought.
Look into when the last federal residential school was closed.
This isn't something that happened long ago. People alive today are still feeling the effects. It sucks for everyone now and I agree with the fact that we could use that money for a lot of things in this country. Doesnt mean we should or even can just break previous agreements.
We have to be better.
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Maximum_Curve_14713 days ago
+6
So check back in 300 years I guess?
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LostAndLikingIt2 days ago
-4
Sure. You do that.
Make sure you engage in good faith when you do get to that point. Makes for better discussions and leaves you less angry overall when you deal with reality.
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HistoryBuff6783 days ago
-2
Well, considering it’s still happening now…
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Maximum_Curve_14713 days ago
+4
What’s still happening?
Be specific
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[deleted]4 days ago
+7
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Fearmadillo4 days ago
+8
History books? The victims are still alive, and theyre sure as shit still paying
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Prestigious_Load16994 days ago
-3
But how will the politicians weaponize collective guilt?
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
+1
No but the Canadian Government as an entity should.
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silicondali4 days ago
-4
Section 35 of the Constitution disagrees and it happens to be law. Your feelings are neither logically valid, nor meaningful when it comes up upholding our legal framework.
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sharp11flat134 days ago
+8
> When do you think the residential schools closed? How old do you think the survivors are?
I went to elementary school with residential schools kids in the 60s. And the program started before and went on long after that. The oldest *survivors* would be in their 80s and 90s. Many, many never saw their 40s.
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thetermguy4 days ago
+11
\>I don't care that these are 'settlements' for lawsuits.
You don't care for the results of the Canadian justice system.
Those lawsuits aren't for some random misgivings. They're to enforce the agreements that the Canadian gov't agreed to and failed to follow through on. And the comparison to the military means nothing other than to reinforce bias.
You really should go through all your assumptions with a critical eye.
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Alternative_Dealer324 days ago
+1
If you think that equality is achieved through equal treatment then all you’ll do is reinforce the disadvantages that the current system has already created. Advocating for equal treatment just means you don’t care or understand what the starting points and ending points are.
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silicondali4 days ago
+1
Your sentiment is blatantly unconstitutional. I'm ashamed that you feel emboldened to spread this ignorance loudly and proudly.
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Rainey_Dazez4 days ago
-2
Valid points until you state ancestors. My grandmother is alive, dude, my aunts and uncles are alive. Those who suffered under aren't dead yet? The last residential school closed in 1996, the child scoops happened well into the 2000's?? Do you have clean water? Reliable access to all services?
This isn't 'just cause people who don't exist'.
They exist still, and my grandmother was owed that damn it, 217 children buried under her school.
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anom_atom2 days ago
+2
this is killing canada
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WadeReddit061 day ago
It’s not but go off
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dub-fresh4 days ago
+4
I really hope this ends well
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karenskygreen4 days ago
-32
They screw around with first nations for over a hundred years and this is the price we pay for making things right.
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Aineisa4 days ago
+30
“We?” I wasn’t around when that stuff happened. Neither were my parents nor any of my ancestors.
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OpeningTechnical58844 days ago
+3
The last residential closed in 1997.
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big_galoote4 days ago
+10
Are we making people pay for this that arrived in Canada since 1998, otherwise I don't see your point.
Someone born today is still going to be burdened with this, even though the last school closed 30 years ago.
How is that a valid point?
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rainshowers_5_peace4 days ago
The Canadian Government made this mess the Canadian Government should fix it.
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big_galoote3 days ago
+8
Do you understand who funds the Canadian government?
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OpeningTechnical58844 days ago
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Congrats, you learned how taxes work!
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big_galoote3 days ago
+8
Taxes are for the good of Canadians, not only a subset group with special rights.
That's called apartheid. Perhaps you'd like to learn how that works?
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WadeReddit061 day ago
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This money is going to them based on them underfunding them. You want equality but cry when it happens.
What you really want is for no money to go to First Nations and all to you
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karenskygreen4 days ago
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Ok, lets see if i can make it simple for you .
The reservations still exist and are still under the control of rhe federal government, a reservation is a small town. But they are unlike any other town you know of, they dont have proper water supply, fire dept, health services,schools, and things like children's aid services and the houses built by the government are inferior to your home and poorly maintained. The aboriginal people are their own culture which white people stripped away and made illegal. Sure that first happened before before our parents were born but things like the "60s scoop happened much more recently in your parents time. So for a 100 years or more they threw scraps at the aboriginal.communities and they are 3rd world substandard conditions then, during your parents time and now. Why ? Because people like you, your oarents just said "fuckem" and the government could get away with it because the aboriginal people just got the right to vote in 1960 and even then because they were so small they had no power to effect change.
So your grandparents, your parents kicked the can down the road, well guess what, canada finally grew a conscious and are slowly fixing thing's, handing power and money over to bands to be self governing., the chickens have finally come home to roost. There are still 39 aboriginal communities with boil water advisories, in 1995: Neskantaga First Nation was placed under a boil water advisory that remains active today, marking over 10,000 days without clean water.
They only started officially counting in 2020.
But why is the government paying for this ? Because they own it.
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karenskygreen4 days ago
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Down voting me ? Guess the truth hurts, you cant accept it.
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
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You are reaping the benefits though.
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Aineisa4 days ago
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What are those?
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Krugozette4 days ago
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Abuses and oppression still happens to this day. Lookup starlight tours in Saskatchewan or the Oka Crisis. These are recent events based on generations of bad faith dealings of the Canadian government with First Nations.
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Aineisa4 days ago
+8
Sorry am I responsible for the starlight tours or oka crisis? How about punishing the individuals responsible?
Enough with this collective guilt. It’s stupid.
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karenskygreen4 days ago
+1
Collective guilt ? Its just about bringing aboriginal people up to Canadian standards that you take for granted. This is not about feeling bad about what we did to them over the last 100 years, its about fixing the now.
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Krugozette4 days ago
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Are you personally on the hook for $8.5 billion dollars? You're moving the goalposts. These are a couple of actions that occurred during your lifetime in a country that has treated this behaviour as normal. We need to make mistreatment enormously expensive to perpetrate or it'll keep happening.
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yaxyakalagalis4 days ago
+1
You don't have to look that far back, in 2023 Canada settled for $23 billion to compensate for underfunding First Nations Child and Family services up until that date.
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will-o-tron4 days ago
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Were you or your parents around in the 60s? Cause we were still f****** their kids up then.
Edit: lol with the downvotes?? Just Google “Sixties scoop” people!
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HistoryBuff6784 days ago
+4
I to the 90s and now. With “birth alerts”.
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sharp11flat134 days ago
+4
Yes. I went to elementary school with First Nations kids in the 60s. Some spent weekends at our house, and they were always *very* happy to be invited.
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zokka_son_of_zokka4 days ago
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Your parents were.
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Aineisa4 days ago
+5
Ever heard of immigration? Zero of my ancestors had any influence or responsibility for what happened.
Don’t tell me you think peasants from Eastern Europe are somehow responsible for residential schools lol
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karenskygreen4 days ago
+1
We are talking about fixing what is wrong today, they live in 3rd world conditions that were created and are still owned by the canadian government. The govenment was always and is still responsible for fixing this mess. Whoever pays taxes even if they got off a boat yesterday will pay for this mess. Saying "oops, it was those people 100, 75, 50, 20 years ago caused this problem so we are not responsible for them to bad, so sad let them rot is idiotic
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sharp11flat134 days ago
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I’m Canadian and I’m proud to see this happening. Tell me again how we’re just like the US. 🇨🇦
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big_galoote4 days ago
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I'm guessing you're one of the 55% net tax beneficiaries who are proud when our deficit gets bigger and bigger while we spend billions just on interest payments instead of anything else.
Because the other 45% that actually pay for this are pretty broke already. Adding to it does nothing for Canada.
Edit, thanks for the downvotes, but we're already on track to pay *$58 billion just in interest this year alone*. How many Canadians could that help?
https://budget.canada.ca/2025/report-rapport/anx4-en.html
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Afraid-Expert-89744 days ago
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I love how all the racists are getting offended by this post. Snooooooowwwflakes!
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