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News & Current Events May 6, 2026 at 8:08 AM

Canada to pick between Swedish and U.S. radar planes to protect its skies

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Spanky3703 May 6, 2026 +74
Well, this should be interesting …. As I understand it: -One airframe and its onboard surveillance sensors and systems is wholly from the US (a country that Carney has categorically said our dependence on is a strategic weakness and that we are no longer going to send 70 cents of every defence dollar to). -A second option has its airframe built in Canada and its surveillance sensors and systems from Sweden. -The third option has its airframe built in Canada and its surveillance sensors and systems from an American company that is basically packaging from an Israeli manufacturer (an Israel that Canada previously ceased military sector exports to in 2024 and between which the frictions over Gaza and now Lebanon have seemingly been increasing). Strategic dependence and vulnerability in this rapidly changing and more complex world are becoming more important. I am retired Army and so have no real knowledge regarding the actual respective platforms / systems but am assuming that NORAD / NATO compatible data and voice links are not showstoppers, simply engineering requirements to address? Curious to see how this all unfolds and what the trade offs will be between the three options, in terms of (UNCLAS) sensor suite capabilities, airframe performance and industrial / technological benefits. Defence money being planned and spent at a rapid pace these days. A big difference from when I was in the CAF, for the most part (1985-2024). Fascinating times.
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Be_quiet_Im_thinking May 6, 2026 +8
Carney could ask for an Israel style deal for the F35s where Canada has enhanced development rights for sensors etc.
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Just2LetYouKnow May 6, 2026 +2
Aren't the engines and avionics on the GlobalEye US export controlled?
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Just2LetYouKnow 6 days ago +3
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/nato-awacs-replacement-saab-bombardier-globaleye > While Saab is the system integrator and the Erieye Extended Range radar is European, the aircraft is based on the Bombardier Global 6000/6500, which incorporates US-origin subsystems, including engines and avionics components subject to US export regulations.
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hippodribble May 6, 2026 +120
I'd go with the IKEA. They support some units for decades and you only need the one Allen key.
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Steve_hh May 6, 2026 +18
But you have to assemble it all by yourself.... So test it. If you can do a BIlly Shelf, you are good!
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UltraHyperDonkeyDick May 6, 2026 +7
Job creation.
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[deleted] May 6, 2026 +6
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nZcastillo May 6, 2026 +5
Awwww c***. I assembled it wrong and now I have a bookshelf made from aircraft parts
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RobertoPaulson 6 days ago +2
I know you wanted a radar plane, but a book shelf made of airplane parts sounds pretty awesome too.
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sandee_eggo 6 days ago +2
That, and the US units make you watch a 30 second ad every time you start up the plane.
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ElTejon_TheDestroyer May 6, 2026 +80
Pick Swedish then, they haven’t threatened to invade a NATO ally.
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Edwardteech May 6, 2026 -58
Thats a long supply chain for your early warning birds.
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mmoore327 May 6, 2026 +19
Airframes are from Canada under that option
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splepage May 6, 2026 +15
And that supply chain would not exist if you're relying on America and their dumbass president decides to tariff/sanction/invade Canada because he's cranky.
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iDareToDream May 6, 2026 +31
It's better than no supply chain if the US invades or threatens to withhold parts because we're not cooperating with them. The Americans aren't reliable anymore.
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ftg11 May 6, 2026 +8
Australia’s supply chain for the E7 is from America. That’s further and dose t seem to be an issue.
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eternalityLP May 6, 2026 +18
Buying the American planes now after all the talk of decoupling from US would just demonstrate that it's all just empty words and Canada is on it's way to becoming US vassal.
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AssistX May 6, 2026 -11
There's zero benefit to Canada seeking trade outside the US, other than decoupling. The US is a luxury market that pays premium prices for almost all their goods, and they're a land based border. Profits of Canadians will inevitably take a hit when you're going from shipping less than 100 miles across a border to sending goods across the pacific or across the Canadian provinces.
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eternalityLP May 6, 2026 +10
>There's zero benefit to Canada seeking trade outside the US, other than decoupling. Yes, there is zero benefits other than the benefits.
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AssistX May 6, 2026 -2
Uh, my point is if Canada is seeking trade partners outside the US than they're decoupling. It's not a demonstration and empty words like you suggested.
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eternalityLP May 6, 2026 +1
Saying you'll do one thing and doing the other is literally the definition of empty words. Just like I said.
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Longhag May 6, 2026 +2
A lot depends on the goods. For general luxury goods it may be the case but for military contacts it's more complex. Going with Sweden for example may allow a deal where Canada can manufacture the planes for themselves as well as be able to manufacture and sell airframes to other countries. Plus the options to package the deal with something like vehicle manufacturing plants in Canada and better access to the Canadian (add potentially north American market). A US deal doesn't really get any of that or a stable government to deal with due to the nature of the US political system.
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Overall_Swordfish883 May 6, 2026 +21
Go swedish or go bust
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Quiet_Remote_5898 May 6, 2026 +21
that's a no-brainer
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Rollover__Hazard May 6, 2026 +18
It’ll win because the airframe is made in Canada and it’s backing Canadian defence. The argument about whether it’s actually more capable than an E7 (which is very debatable) won’t enter into it because the politics of Mark Carney won’t let it. He can’t very well go to Brussels and tell them the next world order is European and based on domestic military capabilities and openly snub the US, while in the same breath buying E7s from Boeing lmao
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sarges_12gauge 6 days ago +1
I still don’t understand why Canadians want to spend more on defense to buy “high tech” assets. If you’re *actually* worried about a US invasion, you’re just concentrating your losses in a more convenient spot. It would be way better value to buy a larger quantity of lower tier stuff. And if it’s any other action, it’ll be in support of Europeans / Americans so… why celebrate how much money goes towards other country military objectives?
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Rollover__Hazard 6 days ago +2
They’re not seriously thinking about how to defeat an American invasion using conventional military assets - that’s just not possible, nor likely to occur. They’re looking at making deliberate moves to buy outside of the American defence industry because it sends a message to the US and stops Canada from being so reliant on what the US will or won’t provide them in terms of after sales support and updates etc. Where nations spend their defence dollars says a lot about the value of the relationships they have with those other nations. The UK, as you might expect, straddles the line and buy/ sells to all the major western players like France, Germany, Spain, Canada and the USA. Canada has traditionally had a very US-influenced defence industry. France has traditionally had a very European focus for their sales and purchases. Germany is very self-sufficient thanks to its large economy, but nonetheless has absorbed a sizeable amount of US influence thanks to the Cold War arrangements. These things are starting to change now, and the defence markets are beginning to harden on who they do and don’t want to buy from/ sell to.
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Glennmorangie May 6, 2026 +3
Even if the UA administration wasn't threatening us... You would think the government would want to lessen the concentration risk of relying so heavily on one state for everything.
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Diligent_Affect8517 May 6, 2026 +5
I wouldn't be surprised if they wait to see what NATO selects, since [they're working on making the same decision](https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/nato-canadian-aircraft-warning-fleet).
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ankakvagkvag90 May 6, 2026 +4
Didnt NATO already select SAAB for their new awacs fleet? I heard the US pulled out the extra funding promised if Boeing was selected, and so they went with SAAB instead.
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teachme65 6 days ago +2
Go Swedish
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J_M 6 days ago +2
The wedgtail is history - the americans aren't even buying it. GlobalEye is Bombardier/Saab - no brainer
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spirit-mush May 6, 2026 +2
Sweden is the obvious choice. Giving America money is against our sovereign interests.
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Captain_Wag May 6, 2026 +2
The swedish design is newer and sexier. The us wants to ditch their old designs for sweden's as well. Why would canada buy the older more expensive tech in the first place?
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Exciting_Turn_9559 3 days ago +1
Should go with the Swedish option for very obvious reasons.
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simple123mind May 6, 2026 +1
GlobalEye is a better option.
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drae- May 6, 2026 -2
The most valuable assets isn't the equipment, but the people relying on it. Buy the best that's available and don't let spite factor in.
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Gustomucho May 6, 2026
It will probably use the F-35 to pressure Trump onto accepting CUSMA… No deal, no F35.
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30yearCurse May 6, 2026 -7
To many job losses for giving up on the F35.
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Perfect_Opposite2113 May 6, 2026 +5
American jobs maybe. They build the planes, they service the planes, they train the pilots. If they weren’t the best planes I’d want my government to scrap the deal. Hell I kinda want them to anyway.
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30yearCurse May 6, 2026 +4
Every F-35 Lightning II delivered worldwide contains more than US $2.3 million in Canadian-made components. Over 110 Canadian companies contribute to the supply chain, with roughly 30 key contractors, such as Magellan Aerospace and Stelia Aerospace, producing parts like landing gear components edit: If I was Canadian, I would still think long & hard about purchasing from the US, maybe in 2 years things would go back to somewhat normalcy in the US what ever that looks like after this shitshow.
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Bearly_OwlBearable May 6, 2026
Wait for cusma negotiations to be over than pick non usa
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eagle848_ May 6, 2026 -9
Get a China-built plane; they can watch also.
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Prestigious_Load1699 May 6, 2026 -11
Pick the best overall option, which I presume (hate it or not) is the American technology.
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Prestigious_Load1699 May 6, 2026 +6
If the Swedish radar tech is better then go for it. I’m not sure why I was downvoted but I’m merely talking practicality.
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CreepinCreepy May 6, 2026 -10
A lot of this decision will come down to whether they will continue to acquire the F-35. I'd argue the Aeris is the best all around package, but if they end up deciding on instead buying the Gripen, they might be better off with the Saab. I personally think that Canada would be stupid to pick the Gripen over the F-35, especially when you consider that in terms of unit cost, they're around the same.
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noir_lord May 6, 2026 +18
> I personally think that Canada would be stupid to pick the Gripen over the F-35, especially when you consider that in terms of unit cost, they're around the same. If it was America from 2000 I'd agree, the F-35 is a very capable system. It's not though it's 2026 and the US threatened to annex Canada. F-35's you buy now are going to be in service for decades, given the path America *chose* to put itself on, do you really think it's a good idea for Canada to tie itself to that path unless realpolitik makes it necessary. I'm not really sure that many Americans are really understanding how they are perceived in other western nations these days and I sorta get it, your media landscape down plays it, pretends it's business as usual/he's an aberration and the "next democrat administration will fix everything" except it won't and we *know that*.
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CreepinCreepy 6 days ago +1
Even if they did buy the Gripen, it still uses a lot of American components, meaning that if there was a total break of relations, they could still restrict the acquisition of spare parts, essentially grounding the aircraft they use (similar to what happened to Iran's F-14s). However, the Gripen is a far less capable system going into the future. As all of our adversaries are now either operating 5th generation aircraft or are soon to be operating them, having 4.5 gen as the leader of your fleet for the next few decades is frankly dumb. It would just become PL-15 food if we entered into a conflict with China.
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WesternBlueRanger May 6, 2026 +6
I think the question is more what does the RCAF want to do with the aircraft. Of the three options, one is a proper AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control) aircraft. The others are just AEW aircraft. An AEW&C not only just carries the radar, but it also flies with a battle management staff and all the radio's and data links it needs to operate autonomously. It's basically a flying command post. The other two options are AEW aircraft; they are just a flying radar with the ability to beam the radar picture elsewhere for command staff to process and look at. But because all of the important decision makers are off the aircraft, you are completely reliant on having sufficient data links and back haul to not only send the entire raw radar picture from the AEW aircraft to the ground, but the processed radar picture and any decisions made by the command staff back up and to friendly aircraft. If you intend to operate in an area where there may be issues with communications, such as in the high Arctic, then you probably want a more autonomous platform that can be the communications node to reduce the burden on your existing communications to the ground.
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Spanky3703 May 6, 2026 +1
Thank you for this, I appreciate the explanation. I learn new stuff every day.
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WesternBlueRanger May 6, 2026
My reading of the Airborne Early Warning & Control Defence Capabilities Blueprint as provided by the RCAF says to me they are leaning towards the Boeing E-7, specifically for that command & control functionality: [https://apps.forces.gc.ca/en/defence-capabilities-blueprint/project-details.asp?id=2318](https://apps.forces.gc.ca/en/defence-capabilities-blueprint/project-details.asp?id=2318) >The project will include the procurement and sustainment of an **AEWC aircraft fleet to provide an airborne C4ISR capability with integral systems that include: multi-role radar capable of air and sea surveillance, and fighter control; passive sensors capable of detecting air and surface contacts; and full mission crew compartment in order to conduct autonomous joint command and control, battle management, and wide area surveillance missions.** Based on the operational requirements, expected serviceability rates, and life-cycle-management activities, it is estimated that a fleet size of 6 aircraft is required. As a new capability to the CAF, the AEWC project includes significant investments in infrastructure for operations from a single MOB. This infrastructure will likely include: Aircraft hangars; a squadron facility; a mission support centre; security infrastructure to meet level 3 processing; training and simulation facilities; logistic support facilities; fuel storage; and base housing facilities for additional personnel. That specific requirement seems to almost eliminate the business jet sized aircraft from consideration; they are too small to carry a full command staff for autonomous operations and battle management. Whilst it is possible that you could make due with a small business jet sized aircraft and have the command staff on the ground, it would require significant radio and data link back haul and bandwidth to make it work, and that might a challenge in certain areas.
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Spanky3703 May 6, 2026 +1
Not being confrontational, just curious: why do you think that the Aeris option is the best all around option?
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CreepinCreepy May 6, 2026
For one, based on the two most recent purchases, the Aeris is cheaper. France paid approximately $670M for each of their Globaleyes, while South Korea paid approximately $565M for each of their Aeris. Another reason is the better integration with the F-35. You'll notice that all of the 4 operators of the Aeris all operate or plan to operate the F-35 in the future, while all of the current and future operators of the Globaleye do not. The design of the Aeris was inherently done around the integration of the F-35, and while the Globaleye is still capable, it wasn't designed as much to do so in particular. Additionally, things like the Aeris having a proper 360 degree field of vision is pretty crucial. In a period of stealth aircraft, they can close well into weapon employment ranges without being spotted, and needing to maneuever in order to relay information can waste precious time necessary to defend against incoming missiles through both electronic warfare and kinetic avoidance. Then there's also the fact that the Aeris is more aerodynamic, allowing it to be more fuel efficient and have a longer range.
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Spanky3703 May 6, 2026 +2
Thanks for this detailed explanation, I appreciate the insight. I keep learning.
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