Canada's Carney says lifting U.S. liquor ban depends on Trump ending assault on steel, autos, lumber

Canadian voters are also *aware* that fighting Trump will hurt the economy when they say that. It’s a surprisingly mature political environment in that respect

Carney is actually capable of understanding geopolitics. Likely his angle is the obvious one the EU employs all the time. The trump negotiators are frankly idiots and assume far to much when a promise is made. They never pay attention to details. What Carney will offer is: 1 - Remove tariffs on Canadian resources and manufacturing 2 - We will allow you to sell alcohol in Canada again. A shockingly high amount of people will read point 2 and think it means Carney is giving a boon to America.. but that isn't the whole story. What that statement means is American *can sell their goods*.. if they can **find** buyers. Removal of tariffs is an absolute demand.. the allowance of alcohol sales is a conditional function. Canadians by and large will likely not buy American alcohol again so this kind of a deal is a win/win for Carney. He would get everything and give nothing. Which is the **actual**.. *art of the deal*.

I know a lot of other people would probably complain, but I'll take on any kind of hardship to simply stick it to the Americans in any way possible, proudly.

I just don't want this LARP trend to becomes a global phenomena. Whether it start with Russian propaganda or not, if this is some new flavour of it. Someone just have to be bold and refuse to play along. Trump place tariffs to play into his donroe doctrine strong arming smaller countries, Christian national flavours head by the most amoral people. The pretending to be strong to hide your weaknesses. The general anti-intellectualism, the social engineering. The constantly information warfare. I want to go back with the mindset that we all live on this rock, and it's potentally all we have. I don't want to play into this self-destructive behaviour. I don't parties like AfD gaining leads. I don't want to worry every few years to wonder what flavour of fascism or dictator forms. At some point you have to decide what's more important false comfort or principles. I feel like we are all miserably failing at that. I feel like Canada uniquely equip to hold that torch so I hope we remain bold and firm but fair.

Canadians and our prime minister are very aware that trump and the current USA government will honour no deals or laws, but we can’t take them head on economically being 1/10th their size. Canada has the resources to be a major power, we need to slowly diversify away from America, all while tossing little “wins” their way to keep us out of their crosshairs. It’s a delicate balance to walk.

Please...he doesn't wipe.

Nah, he probably pays somebody else to wipe for him. Or, more exactly, he has us pay for somebody else to wipe for him.

You’ve hit the nail on the head. I’m done with US alcohol. Used to have a pretty large amount of shelf space for bourbon. It’s all filled with Canadian and Irish whisky now and I won’t be going back.

Once people find other non-US brands they like they'll have no reason to go back even if they do forgive the US. Like you say that's not going to happen with lumber

Exactly - like Americans don't seem to realize how plugged into all this and how unified Canadians are. Our governments can put the products back on the shelves, but the boycotts will continue. After the initial orders, the business American liquor companies used to do with Canada won't return quickly, or even ever. To be 100% real with you, once you actively stop buying US spirits, you realize that there was nothing really that special about them in the first place. You can get products that are as good if not better that are made domestically, and get them for cheaper.

Haven't bought any American liquor since Trump got re-elected, and I won't again in my life time. [](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty)

We Canadians are a petty bunch. We're not going back to how things were before.

Plus a lot of our locals have starter making "bourbon" - style spirits that are damn good, so it's not even a US or nothing scenario anymore.

I love bourbon, but never buying another bottle or drink. I'll stay locally sourced for my booze and I'm in Thailand.

I'm still not buying ANY US products. If I see it at the store, it gets flipped upside down. We're very done with your country's BS.

You mention tariffs, but we're not pissed about tariffs. We're indignant over the threatened annexation and the constant insults. And we're aware that Trump isn't the cause, he's the symptom. It's not just that we hate Trump. We could have (and mostly did) forgive Trump's first term. But his second term has shown that there is always a chance that your country will elect an incompetent madman, and that you collectively won't do anything about it. You've shown that your country fundamentally cannot be trusted in the long term.

it's not the tariffs, it's the threats on our sovereignty from the highest members of your government.

If anything it will be such a source of pride to put bourbon back on the shelves and still collectively have sales near zero. Canadians are quite good at societal pressure and shame too. There will be no fear for fellow LCBO customers to call out the young guy who grabs a c**** bottle of jim beam. Old joke: What does american beer have in common with sex in a canoe? Its f****** close to water.

Liquor preferences are sticky. People become fans of something and keep buying it basically forever. They'll change what they buy very rarely. So the damage is done. People found alternatives because they had no choice and have probably settled on their new preferences by now. It's also funny because even though American booze has been gone from my province for over a year, I still haven't seen anyone in person or online that's been advocating for it to return. It's literally just the Americans crying about it. Canadians couldn't care less if it stays away forever.

Give him the peace prize or else he'll bomb you!

Repost, but apt: Mar 3: "We won the war." Mar 7: "We defeated Iran." Mar 9: "We must attack Iran." "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully." Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet." Mar 13: "We won the war." Mar 14: "Please help us." Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it." Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all." "I was just testing to see who's listening to me." "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad." Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help." "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO." Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz." Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip -step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz" Mar 20: "NATO are cowards." Mar 21: "We don't use it, we don't need to open it." Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours." "Iran is Dead" Mar 23: "We are giving them more time." Mar 24: "The war is nearing its end." Mar 25: "We are still negotiating." Mar 26: "Iran is begging for peace. They gave us a gift. We will give them more time." Mar 27: "Talks with iran are going very well" Mar 28: "War will be over soon" Mar 29: "Maybe we take Kharg island, maybe we dont" Mar 30: "Open the Strait or we will obliterate all energy infrastructure and oil wells" Mar 31: "We dont need the strait, we got plenty of oil. Get it yourself UK." April 1: "Iran wants a ceasefire" / "Strongly considering pulling out of NATO" / "There's no deal with Iran" April 3:"We can take their oil and make a fortune" April 5:"Open the fuckin strait you crazy bastards or youll be living in hell" April 6:"US could charge for strait of hormuz passage" April 7:"A whole civilization will die tonight" April 8:"Iran accepts ceasefire, the strait is opened" strait closed April 9:"NATO allies have days to reopen the strait" April 10:"Iran has no cards" April 11:"We're going to open up the strait" April 12:"US will blockade the strait" April 16:"I told NATO to stay away, they were useless" April 17:"Iran has agreed to never close the strait again" iran closes the strait April 18:"We might have to start dropping bombs again" April 19:"If iran doesnt sign the deal their whole country is going to get blown up"

Even if he was the one who signed it. History taught us that also.

He hasn't chickened out of plenty of stuff though. There is currently and has been for a year now, a 50% tariff on Canadian steel and aluminium which has shifted US customers to stop buying Canadian and start buying Russian etc. It fucks the Canadian industry and raises prices for the American consumers. A 35% tariff on Canadian lumber which has massively impacted that industry forever, and has raised material costs in the US by more than 50%, think of new houses etc. There's a 25% tariff on all Canadian produced cars even though Detroit and Windsor are effectively the same city and supply chains were completely integrated, this is causing car costs to skyrocket while also causing unemployment. There is a 10% tariff on everything else. And there is the removal of the De Minimus clause which allowed sales under $800, which means that many Canadian small businesses can't effectively sell into the US market, destroying our entrepreneurship rates, and vice versa for US businesses marketing into Canada. Trump doesn't always chicken out, and it's costing both countries literally trillions of taxpayer dollars already, just this past year. Tariffs f*** everyone, it makes all business worse, it has no upside. He doesn't always chicken out. He is destroying industries, small businesses, and lives. Canadians get this and are pissed. Many Americans seem to think it's just a game, or that nothing substantial has happened. It is substantial.

Yes, came to say the same, as well.

My state is hyper strict with alcohol so I did a double take at you saying Costco sells it. I've personally cut back on alcohol consumption. The cost for it just isn't worth it to my frugal ass.

I was in a BC liquor store last week getting some vodka for cooking and the shelves were completely full. If I didn't know that the US alcohols had been pulled from the shelves I wouldn't have noticed. 

Now we need to do the same with tech. The EU is beating us to government Linux, open source office suites, getting off AWS and keeping their data safe from americans. Under the cloud act, even with all data stored in canada, never leaving the country, is still surveillable to US authourities if owned by an american company. This is where the EU is making a huge difference. The booze is great, information sovereignty is so much more important.

>I can’t see Canadians attitudes changing I genuinely don’t blame a single one. Canada, our neighbor, being treated like shit because a pedophile with dementia holds power in D.C. I’m ashamed to be an American right now. This timeline is depressing af Edit: I have zero clue as to why it copied my original comment into this one…that was strange

Private liquor stores in BC will carry US but I notice they collect dust

Is this the sub Maxwell used to mod?