The article gives more clues. In certain industries, and in a way that does not build reliance. Likely auto and some other manufacturing systems.
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BearFeetOrWhiteSox3 days ago
+22
It's in everyone's best interest to go back to how things were pre Trump.
As a sane person, he wants that.
Also as a sane person he recognizes how batshit insane Donald Trump is.
I read this as a message to democrats.
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ReasonableAside16553 days ago
+18
I don't think it is in Canada's best interest to go back to how things were. 1/3 of Americans have proven themself to be crazy and willing to consider Canada the enemy because orange man said so. Relying on America simply can not be part of he plan moving forward.
Like obviously I understand why Carney is using this messaging but the truth is everyone is scrambling to move away from America as quickly as possible. A lot of Americans are going to be shocked to see their quality of life drop drastically in the next 10-15 years.
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Etherius3 days ago
+11
At no point has a sizable chunk of Americans considered Canadians the enemy.
Trump is full of bluster and Carney seems to be the only world leader on the planet who not only realizes this but responds in-kind.
If he wants diversify Canadian trade partnerships that’s fine. The US is in the process of doing so too.
But America and Canada have always been friends and it’s nothing short of clownshoes to think otherwise just because orange man was harrumphing around.
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Mtn_Hippi3 days ago
+3
No, we haven't always been friends. There have been multiple attempts at conquest, regular political and economic bullying, etc. As Charles de Gaulle said, "countries don't have friends, only interests". He was dead right, and we need to proceed with this maxim as our guiding principle. We've had good relations with the US since WWII and we want to maintain those, but proceeding as if this is a friendship will only lead to grief.
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Etherius3 days ago
+2
I mean. Alright.
The end result will be the same
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StaticSystemShock3 days ago
+7
It's only a matter of Donald finally dropping dead so this whole cultist bullshit he's going on falls apart and we return back to normal. Tik f****** tok said the clock. I just wish it wouldn't take this long...
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Mtn_Hippi3 days ago
No, things will not go back to normal once Trump has a jammer and drops dead. He is as much a symptom as a cause of this BS. Nearly 80 million voted for him; a similar number couldn't be bothered to vote against him. The yanks have always had an insular and fascist streak, and it's come out strong in recent years. We are in for a difficult period of US fuckery. Regardless of who is in the White House, they will have to manage around the sentiments of this maga movement and whatever it evolves into. We are in for a difficult decade, at least.
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Etherius2 days ago
+4
Just gonna remind you that the vast majority of western countries are moving hard to the right and none have become fascist.
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Mtn_Hippi2 days ago
+1
Orban was well on his way. The FN in France would likely follow his playbook. Fascists and their ilk rely on our complacency and our belief that most people will act reasonably. A government does not need to meet the academic definition of fascism to land in basically the same place.
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Etherius2 days ago
+2
Orban literally conceded his race.
That not something a fascist does
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Mtn_Hippi2 days ago
+1
Yes, that is true. As I said, he was moving towards fascism, and had taken steps to monkey wrench things if results were close. His loss was overwhelming, so their monkey wrenching plans were shelved. I agree that him conceding is a strike against the idea that he was a true fascist, but at the same time he was clearly anti democratic and trying his best to seize all the levers of power. Him conceding doesn't mean that isn't where he wanted to go.
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round-earth-theory2 days ago
+1
Trump is the catalyst for this fight with Canada. It's not actually a useful flight to have. Canada doesn't have the ability to compete with US trade and there's no way for either nation to secure the border. There's also very little in terms of cultural or ethnic differences between the two nations. Trump is picking a fight because he wants to stamp his name on Canada like he does everything else. No one else in the GOP nor do Republican voters care to take or isolate Canada. As soon as Trump stops talking about it, the fire goes away.
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Mindless-Tomorrow-932 days ago
+2
Can you find a single Republican in the House or Senate to agree with you about this?
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Etherius3 days ago
-10
You people are repulsive.
And not very much foresight. If Trump dies you get president Vance.
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StaticSystemShock3 days ago
+9
No one likes that idiot JD "Couch f*****" Vance and everything would fall apart quickly. People are just obsessed with Donald because I don't know why the f*** are they obsessed with him so much.
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Samhamwitch1 day ago
+1
>At no point has a sizable chunk of Americans considered Canadians the enemy.
That may be true but, currently 1/4 of Canadian citizens consider The USA to be the enemy. That's a sizeable chunk. If things continue the way they are, that number is only going to increase.
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Etherius1 day ago
Canadian citizens can be as dumb as they want
Carney isn’t, which is what counts
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eskimospy2122 days ago
+2
It is not in Canada’s best interest or really the best interest of any American trading partner and they all know it.
There is no point to making trade deals with a partner that will not honor them and Trump has shown he doesn’t care about honoring them. Since one US president has done this that means any one can.
The only way to restore credibility for the US in trade negotiations probably requires significant legal or constitutional reforms within the US.
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karlnite2 days ago
+1
It’s stuff like how our food safety standards align with the FDAs, so producers compliant in Canada can expand to America without having to change much. Using the same standards, aligning trade laws, having departments from both places work together so that they come up with solutions that work for both places. Like how we used to do stuff.
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Etherius3 days ago
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It’s not cryptic
It’s realistic
He doesn’t mean accession-to or annexation-into
He means “we seriously considered moving away from the USA but in the end I was as full of bluster as Trump was and the electorates in both sides of the border are going to have to accept that”.
Canada and the USA have been the best of friends for decades and anyone who’s never had a spat with their friends over slights (real or perceived) is a liar.
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Lucius_Sulla-4203 days ago
+11
It doesn’t mean that at all, go watch the full speech bud.
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Etherius3 days ago
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No. Can’t be bothered. It’s a foreign leader.
I know how this story ends. It always ends the same way.
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Lucius_Sulla-4203 days ago
+3
So you’re limiting your available information and drawing conclusions about things anyway.
Got it. Huge brain.
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TranslatorTough89773 days ago
+10
We are still moving at full speed to diversify away from the U.S. The goal is to make US exports less than half of the total over time. It’s over 70% now.
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Etherius3 days ago
-8
Bet.
As long as you don’t do anything super stupid like allow China to provide your telecom hardware you guys can do what you want
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JadedLeafs3 days ago
+3
We can do whatever we want even if it included that. It's funny to hear Americans get pissed off at trading with China like China isn't the u.s biggest trading partner.
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Etherius3 days ago
-1
Well yeah you’re welcome to do that
But it was more for your own benefit than ours
Huawei sells telecom equipment at a 30% d******* because they keep getting caught installing backdoors and espionage equipment and software into said equipment.
But you do you, dude
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Salford19693 days ago
+25
Carney is saying we can trade even deeper then what CUSMA covers but we are also opening other trade opportunities. It's not going against anything he has been saying about needing to move away from reliance on US trade.
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Billitosan1 day ago
+1
More line dancing. There is a finite number of goods and services for trade so which way will it go? No sane person would further integrate with nazi USA now anyway.
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lixia3 days ago
+28
Great article, terrible title.
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imlostintransition3 days ago
+39
>“In practice America first has really meant America alone,” said Peter Buttigieg.
>“(It’s been) a process of alienating friends and poking allies in the eye and dismantling some of the partnerships and friendships that in fact helped keep America in first place, which I think is the real aspiration of the American people.”
I'm glad Pete Buttigieg was one of the speakers. As a former Biden cabinet official and a potential 2028 presidential candidate, he has some degree on influence on the conversation in the US. We need to do better by our allies.
US Senator Elissa Slotkin was also one of the speakers. Although I do not know what she said, it's worth noting that she represents the state of Michigan and should value our cross-border relationship.
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GeorgeWashingfun3 days ago
+8
Just want to say, Buttigieg is not a serious contender for president. Just like Bernie, black people will not vote for him and you don't win the Dem primary without them.
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Ancient_Occasion_8843 days ago
+1
Seriously, Mayor of South Bend, Indiana is not enough to qualify for President, even if he served in the cabinet. Many people (including myself) are not going to take him seriously. Dems need to try Andy Beshear imo.
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dgkimpton3 days ago
+6
And yet on the other side of the aisle talk show host is qualification enough. No wonder the Dems are always totally fucked.
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physedka2 days ago
+1
You'd lose a good chunk of the hispanic "machismo" type vote too.
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Etherius3 days ago
+4
Every country looks after its own ahead of other nations. Thats how all countries NEED to be
The moment you start putting foreign interests ahead of your domestic electorate, your party loses over 1000 local council seats in the biggest political bloodbath your country has seen since WW2
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Lucius_Sulla-4203 days ago
+11
Dude it’s not 18th century Europe, take this Prussian bullshit to a context it makes sense in. the relationships prior to trumps bullshit was the rational pursuit of national interests through broad international cooperation, allowing growth to increase through diversification and the reduction of trade barriers.
This is not realpolitik, realpolitik was what was being pursued from 1945 onward for the most part by the US. Now one man’s ego is eating the premiums prior administrations had the good sense and dignity not to rub in the face of the international community.
To simplify it for you, when the US didn’t need its ego stroked about what a big strong nation it was, and was just confidently the big strong nation, you were actually receiving the benefits of that leadership position. Now, in an effort to grift for even more benefits, the world has said no, and you’ve lost the position entirely.
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Etherius3 days ago
-11
lol. If you really believe what you’re saying, just wait.
Unless you live in China Iran or Russia, you’re wrong
It’s not just about the USA. It’s the west in general. Every western nation is undergoing a hard rightward shift as their internal governments are forced to re-examine whether they’ve properly placed their citizens’ interests ahead of foreigners
The US is no different from the rest of the west in that regard
When the dust settles we’ll all still be friends working together. Just with stricter immigration policies and a better understanding of globalism’s impact on our own citizenry.
If you loyalty is so fragile that some meat tweets can burn it to ash, it was never worth much to begin with
On the other hand, all we need to do is examine how your own governments react to mine to see the truth of the matter
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Lucius_Sulla-4203 days ago
+3
Spend more time learning and less time typing, you’re not fully formed yet
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Etherius3 days ago
I’m quite fully formed thanks.
In ten years when the USA is still global hegemon with strong ties to Canada and the rest of the Anglosphere with the Five Eyes and other agreements still in place i want you to look back and remember I was right
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Lucius_Sulla-4203 days ago
Your children will be slaves to the corporate warlords who own the ashes of your once great society.
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raalic3 days ago
+9
Buttigieg would be my pick in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, he came in at literally zero percent with African-Americans in an August 2025 Emerson College poll, and I think 4-5% in another, so that's a steep climb.
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magwai92 days ago
+7
I watched this speech. This is a shit headline
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srone3 days ago
+7
Our current president is only interested in taking advantage of everyone for personal gain. There can be no agreement with Trump that is mutually beneficial. I doubt there cannot even be an agreement where America benefits. The only benefit will be to Trump and the corporations that have paid bribes.
Canada would be much better off finding other trading partners.
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razordreamz3 days ago
+7
We are and fast too. I lost track of all the agreements and deals we have made. The thing is we had an integrated economy with the US for so long, it’s going to take a very long time to change that.
But the process has started and in the end we will be better off for it.
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ExpressLab65643 days ago
+5
I hope this is just bullshit to keep the orange baby happy
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beekersavant3 days ago
+14
Of course not.
Trump will respond with some light threats, then a few insults. He will try some new tariffs, then back off. That should get his day to about lunchtime. Then he will shit himself and take a nap.
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ElPuppyNation3 days ago
+10
Wow that is offensive. Remember that he is the US President. He will take a nap AND THEN shit himself.
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beekersavant3 days ago
+2
Oops, you're right today's Saturday not Sunday. I was looking at his Sunday schedule.
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otherwisepandemonium3 days ago
-1
Zero chance the US ever acts in good faith regardless of the amount of ego stroking the Pedo in Chief gets
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californiaKid4203 days ago
-26
Why do you not want our two countries to cooperate?
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mmoore3273 days ago
+5
Because one of those two countries has recently threatened the other... that has a way of reducing the desire to have anything to do with the other country
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WePwnTheSky3 days ago
+24
Cooperation is fine. Deeper integration sounds like a recipe for pain when one side unilaterally decides they aren’t going to honour agreements or starts to bully us with economic pressure.
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NevyTheChemist3 days ago
-17
Sounds like being the 51st state without saying it
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Constant-Tea31483 days ago
+12
I'm going to make a wild guess and say it has something to do with one of these countries very publicly sharing it's intention to leverage its economy in an effort to annex the other.
In that light more integration seems incredibly stupid, unless you don't value your independence.
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Mewhomewhy3 days ago
+6
You’re going to find more and more people from more and more countries wanting nothing to do with “cooperating” with the US.
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kuk1m0n5t3r3 days ago
+4
How cooperative would you be with your neighbor if all they did was lie, steal your shit, and insult you?
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terrenceandphilip13 days ago
+3
200 years of history? I dont like Trump but we gotta face reality. Everything is already integrated (security and logistics) so the status quo needs to continue or both economies are fucked (Canada obviously more so).
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mmoore3273 days ago
+3
Canada needs to slowly extricate themselves as much as possible from integration with the US and find new partners...
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BlindFreddy13 days ago
I'm guessing it's because the US is defending into an authoritarian state and global pariah.
Could be wrong.
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Sweet-Competition-153 days ago
-1
Canada hasn't said that; dementia donnie, however.....
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Chrristoaivalis3 days ago
-29
Carney's been in for more than a year now. I think we're past the "he's playing 4D chess" talking-point.
Carney talked tough to win votes, and then moved sharply to the right.
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mmoore3273 days ago
+6
I seriously can't think of a government anywhere that has accomplished so much in so short a time... I'm so glad we have Carney right now...
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CBowdidge3 days ago
+3
Same. Especially considering the alternative 🤢
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Concurrency_Bugs3 days ago
+21
I'm not sure you've been paying attention then. He's built entire trade agreements with other countries around the world that didn't exist before him. We aren't 100% reliant on the us anymore. Our economy should have collapsed from tariffs but it didn't. There's still pain but we're weathering the Trump storm and will come out stronger.
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CBowdidge3 days ago
+3
Don't try to reason with the above person. He's a hyper partisan lefty who is always twisting what Carney says.
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Puzzleheaded_Eye67703 days ago
-33
I hope Canada can become the 51st-60th states!! 😊😊
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mmoore3273 days ago
+3
Never going to happen... better chance of some US states joining Canada at this point...
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Mewhomewhy3 days ago
+4
Your country is becoming a pariah. You’d be better hoping China doesn’t crash your economy entirely in the next decade.
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Puzzleheaded_Eye67703 days ago
-18
Honestly, I hope Canada stays as Canada. I’m just feeling edgy and I knew that comment would make people tweak lmao
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kuk1m0n5t3r3 days ago
+7
Don't be stupid.
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macross19843 days ago
+4
Deeper integration? I think Canada should take opposite route instead.
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MelbaMilqueToast2 days ago
+1
I disagree. I think both countries would greatly benefit from an EU style of agreement where travel and work are a lot more open between the two countries.
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KingofLingerie3 days ago
+2
f***. no.
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haberdasher423 days ago
+3
When you're about to go into international trade negotiations it's generally not a good idea to state to the media that you have no interest in trade negotiations. It's a really really bad idea to do that when you've only been diversifying your economy away from your largest trading partner for like a year and everything it's still kind of all fucked up.
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lcdr_hairyass2 days ago
+1
He said integration where it matters. Elsewhere, the US can suck a lemon.
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FrontReal22872 days ago
+1
F*** em
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calstanfordboye2 days ago
+1
Ewwww
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Ok-Commercial-68652 days ago
+1
I thought he said close economic ties to US were a weakness?
Flip flop, flip flop.
What am I to do with my elbows this week?
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UShouldntSayThat1 day ago
+1
Did you just watch his speech, or are you just going off headlines (no need to answer, it's clear).
"Like Mexico, Canada remains open to deeper integration, including options for fortress North America in (certain) sectors. And to be clear, those offers are on the table,.. We need to build new trade relationships in order to move from reliance to resilience,” ... “Our goal is also to double our non-U.S. exports and so you see the prime minister going around and signing new trade deals across the world,”
Carney has been knocking it out the park, which is why the tariffs didn't cripple the Canadian economy.
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HenriettaSyndrome3 days ago
-5
no we're f****** not?
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themaskedcanuck3 days ago
-6
No thank you.
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Thee-Cat3 days ago
+3
rofl, this back and forth was a hilarious read. Really well done, mate.
I didn't even think of the Listnook part, but that's just hilarious. I could almost feel the slow realization of horror creeping in, that their life has in fact not been as performatively perfect as they thought.
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Regency98773 days ago
Why make exceptions at all?
You can easily f*** right off of Listnook, but you so desperately want an echo chamber to stroke your ego.
That’s why you draw the line at social media. Because it’s the only way your performative bullshit can be seen.
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edguy993 days ago
-4
Why do you feel hurt?
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Witty_Badger13003 days ago
-6
No, we're not. Not anymore.
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ScoobyDosandDonts3 days ago
-1
American here, please carney, don't. Do not make deals with Trumps admin, because if you and others do, it will only send the message to his stupid voter base that he isn't a horrible president. The US needs to feel the pain for the rest of this admin, at the very least until the outcome of the midterms is settled, so that there can be undeniable proof that the MAGA way is a path only to failure and suffering. Thats the only wy to reach his h******* supporters, and its the only way to ensure we don't end up with more Trump's in the US or elsewhere in the future.
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Capable_Kiwi25143 days ago
-4
Nahhhh
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Tin-Tin-K3 days ago
-13
Carney has been with Obama in Toronto. They are working around and excluding Trump.
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HeatTiny70413 days ago
-28
Common sense finally kicking in.
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PHD_Gouda3 days ago
-8
Common sense for morons, maybe.
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irondethimpreza3 days ago
-7
American here. No thank you. The relationship has been ruined (by trump), and there's no un-ruining it. We are returning to the pre-WW2 status of mutual suspicion, and that is what it is, unfortunately.
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charlies_brain3 days ago
-5
Deeper Integration = Less Trust
LOL
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ThatsItImOverThis2 days ago
Canada’s future relationship with the US is going to remain strained but the US will still be a trading partner in the future, by necessity. We know this. We are attached by the world longest undefended boarder in the world, for now.
Canada doesn’t give special deals to countries who aren’t trustworthy allies. I don’t think anyone could describe the US that way right now, except maybe Israel. And Putin.
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rayofgoddamnsunshine3 days ago
-9
The f*** we are.
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meestazak3 days ago
We have CUSMA expiring and while we are becoming more independent, we do need a trade deal with the US and Mexico, going in saying "F you" is the type of response I would expect from a rock.
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rayofgoddamnsunshine3 days ago
-9
I didn't say we don't need a trade deal. We do not need deeper integration with that clusterfuck to the south of us. We need to work on reducing our dependence on them, not going back on the progress we've made.
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