> The service has reported net losses of $118 billion since 2007 as first-class mail
I like how the article fails to mention that Republicans passed a law in 2006 that requires the USPS to fund 75 years of pensions. This crisis was manufactured by republicans to justify privitizing postal delivery.
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Snakestream1 day ago
+1247
Which is moronic considering that current privatized postal delivery HEAVILY relies on the USPS to do last-leg delivery to places that aren't profitable to deliver to.
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James-W-Tate1 day ago
+992
Rural conservatives and canceling public services they themselves rely on, name a more historic combo
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Beard_o_Bees1 day ago
+155
Hey... one day they might be a Billionaire, and don't want to have one arm tied behind their back when that day finally comes!
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PaidUSA1 day ago
+57
I unironically had a real 20 something human being come to that conclusion in realtime. Talking about trumps tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and they go DEAD SERIOUS, yes but I might be rich one day. I had to tell them they will never be rich enough to benefit from any of the cuts for the ultra rich. They have a useless college degree and bartend with no aspirations of being mega rich and still defaulted to that.
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Kraeftluder1 day ago
+22
This mentality has rubbed off in Europe and I despise it.
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PaidUSA1 day ago
+17
It’s the dumbest shit ever. I had to explain even with her bf who’s inheriting a small company in a field that will become very important if she marries him she’ll only ever see the most basic tax bracket changes if that. Even if he made 50 million in his life he wouldn’t see much of the savings for the ultra wealthy.
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AlsoIHaveAGroupon1 day ago
+4
The worst part of the mentality is the unspoken second half of "I might be rich one day."
Personally, if some l******, unknown billionaire relative death, or fluke massive lawsuit suddenly gave me $1 billion, I would pay my f****** taxes, have $500 million left, and *still be fabulously wealthy*.
A tax increase of $50 per person per year on the working class is going to force some people to skip meals so their kids can eat. A tax increase of $500,000 per person per year on billionaires is going to make some numbers look slightly smaller on a net worth calculation but have no effect on their lives.
What those people mean is "I might be rich one day, **and I am a selfish, greedy a********."
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crackrabbit0121 day ago
+13
Too bad they'll have to sell that arm just to survive to that point
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Khatib1 day ago
+68
Alaska is seriously f****** themselves so hard voting red with USPS at risk.
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Geno0wl1 day ago
+36
Dude every mostly rural state is f****** themselves hard. If USPS collapses, do the 13 people that live in Montana actually think a private company is going to give them rates anywhere near what they effectively pay now?
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BlackSpidy1 day ago
+14
They won't. And they'll blame Dems for it, for some reason.
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Geno0wl1 day ago
+12
We know the real reason. It's the ever present propaganda that surrounds these people combined with the successful tying of political party affiliation to their culture and sense of place in the world.
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punkasstubabitch1 day ago
+56
And then they whine and complain about how government doesn’t work for them
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heartlessgamer1 day ago
+11
And the irony is it'll trigger some of them to relocate. They'll relocate to more urban areas and likely shift political views. Now you have even fewer rural folks that are even further entrenched in their political views and are granted a more valuable vote than everyone else because of the electoral college.
Source? Experience growing up in a tiny midwest town where this is exactly what has happened.
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Refrigeratormarathon1 day ago
+3
I think part of our problem is that they’ve been insulated from experiencing what they vote for. If they actually experienced having no postal service or no food stamps they might see its value.
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DarkwingDuckHunt1 day ago
+28
the USPS was never meant to be profitable
the fact no business could turn a profit doing what it does, is the exact reason why it was founded.
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Aazadan1 day ago
+7
Or to put this another way, privatized postal delivery relies heavily on being able to cannibalize all of the most profitable routes and leave the unprofitable ones for those with a universal service mandate.
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jmur30401 day ago
+2156
Or that "losses" shouldn't be mentioned for something designed to be a public SERVICE. You're telling me this costs 118 billion dollars over 19 years? That's terrifically c**** for something that serves 330 million people.
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hodken04461 day ago
+992
That's about 18 dollars a year per person by the way
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alphabeticdisorder1 day ago
+309
Not a bad deal at all.
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RealWeekness1 day ago
+14
Exactly, raise taxes by $18 and well be good.
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timetravelerfrom20271 day ago
+165
That’s almost what it costs to send one package by UPS these days.
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totally_not_a_dog1131 day ago
+76
It's the part where USPS used to be the cheapest method of sending anything, and now UPS (the company Trump's postmaster general had massive investments in) now has comparable or cheaper prices. Louis DeJoy trashed the system for his own personal profits.
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ForsakenRelief26621 day ago
+58
Hence the reason why these repubs are doing thu
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Sheeple_person1 day ago
+70
A buck fifty per month to have a national postal service. Sure sounds different when you put it that way. Almost as if "$118 billion losses" is a figure that was intentionally chosen to be misleading.
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colostitute1 day ago
+25
I don’t know what they mean by losses. I thought USPS was a government service. Do they mean losses in that they don’t have the finances to cover their expenses?
Thats an issue with Congress and their willingness to fund USPS.
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bros4021 day ago
+11
the USPS has been required since 2006 to fund their pension 75 years in advance
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JuanOnlyJuan1 day ago
+33
YOU MEAN THEY'RE TAXING ME 70 CENTS A PAYCHECK FOR USPS?! /s
(I guess double it if you have a dependant. The horror)
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angry_wombat1 day ago
+20
i'd by that for $18
you can just go ahead an move some of that endless war and ICE $$$ over to the postal service for me
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DDS-PBS1 day ago
+323
Wait until you find out how much our fire departments lose each year! They're not profitable at all!
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Streamjumper1 day ago
+128
Or how much our police departments cost.
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potterpockets1 day ago
+44
Or let's talk about how much the military's losses have been. The DoD has never passed an independent audit since they were made mandatory in 2018. That is 8 failed in a row. And it is the only major federal agency to never pass.
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Streamjumper1 day ago
+13
Failed by enough to fund entire huge sweeping projects each year.
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antonimbus1 day ago
+23
Even more when their blue gang decides to shoot some rando and the city has to pay out the survivors.
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StephanXX1 day ago
+18
The $1.5 _trillion_ dollar budget for the military comes to around $900 _per month_ for every US worker.
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DarKoopa1 day ago
+22
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Davran1 day ago
+140
Exactly. The Post Office isn't "losing" anything. It cost $118B to operate the post office over the past 19 years.
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ohlookahipster1 day ago
+33
That’s actually not bad. Damn good, in fact. $6.2B per year operating costs is beats most large corporations. Walmart alone spent $139B on their operating costs FY2025.
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DeskModeOn1 day ago
+48
Haven't we spent like $30 billion so far in the war with Iran?? In like.. twenty some odd days??
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Stepjam1 day ago
+9
And Trump wants like a trillion for the military now
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Zardotab1 day ago
+12
And rural areas, where MAGAs tend to live, are subsidized by higher-populated areas. It's more expensive to deliver to sparsely populated areas.
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Hoppers-Body-Double1 day ago
+4
Yep. I don't hear about the military "losses", but the postal SERVICE out here with a cardboard sign at a busy intersection. Again, this is f****** ridiculous. Money for killing people, but never the common good.
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Im_with_stooopid1 day ago
+98
That was passed and signed into law during the Bush Jr Lame duck session if I'm not mistaken. It was repealed in 2022 but still had a huge effect on paper to make it appear as if the USPS was losing money hand over fist.
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fifthstreetsaint1 day ago
+69
The military has reported "losses" of almost a trillion dollars a year, why aren't they screaming about that..?
Oh right because they all own Raytheon stock and owe zero obligations to veterans.
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Mrchristopherrr1 day ago
+60
That was removed in 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Service_Reform_Act_of_2022
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dakta1 day ago
+61
Sure but the USPS already had to make those pension contributions. They're not magically reimbursed.
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RobfromHB1 day ago
+10
Shouldn’t that then represent a decrease in liabilities on the other side of the ledger?
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Trafficsigntruther1 day ago
+5
No, because the pension liability still exists. The act improved cashflow but does not impact the balance sheet at all.
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mnemy1 day ago
+25
It's estimated that Trump's golf hobby cost the US taxpayers $70m in 2025 alone.
If you scale that out to 20 years, $1.4b.
So the USPS costed the taxpayers about 100x more than one man's hobby, to enable mail delivery for an entire country and employ around 640,000 workers as of 2024.
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peaceablefrood1 day ago
+12
This is no longer a thing as it was repealed in 2022. Also, the original law had strong bi-partisan support so it wasn't just "The Republicans" that did this. It passed 410-20 in the house and had 2 Democrat co-sponsors.
[https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2005430](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2005430)
Regardless of the law though, there was still a 50% reduction in first class mail between 2007 and 2020 which is their most profitable part of the business.
So while the law was a boat anchor around the USPS, it didn't cause people stop mailing stuff, the internet did.
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Beard_o_Bees1 day ago
+9
Yup.
They're not even trying to be coy about it. They want to shut the postal service down and sell it's corpse to the highest bidder.
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SummerMummer1 day ago
+2551
"Cash-strapped"??
They are an important service provided by the US government. Is the US government truely "cash-strapped" at the moment?
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Addy_Rose1 day ago
+1118
Depends...for civil service programs? Sorry, flat broke. Science? Zilch. Environmental programs? Negative balance. Weapons programs and war? Make it rain!
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KennyCash511 day ago
+284
You forgot king crab legs for Hegseth and team in the ‘make it rain’ category
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neckbishop1 day ago
+86
And ~~Noem's~~ Melania's private jet.
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ked_man1 day ago
+31
They’ve spent more this month on bombing Iran needlessly than the Postal service cost the past decade.
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egnards1 day ago
+85
The US Government has never funded the USPS, they forced them to self fund. . .However they also micromanage them and set them into very specific restrictions that do not allow them to actually be profitable.
They’ve been trying to kill the USPS for a long time. Trump has just been far more blatant about it.
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Regnes1 day ago
+3
Canada Post has also been under attack for a while now. It was pretty shocking a couple of years ago when their union's legal strike during Christmas holidays got nixed by the government. Apparently timing your strike to have the maximum possible leverage against your employer isn't allowed and the government can just tell you to do it during the off-season instead.
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No_Customer_841 day ago
+122
Trump has been trying to privatize the post office since his first term.
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electrobento1 day ago
+75
Republicans have been trying to privatize it for generations.
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HippyDM1 day ago
+61
His party's been trying even longer. He does it to cheat the election, they do it to privatize public services.
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EmperorAcinonyx1 day ago
+3
> He does it to cheat the election, they do it to privatize public services.
right, they do it to cheat elections. trump is doing everything the gop has always wanted to do, but openly. let's not fall for the lie that he's some sort of anomaly.
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DontTickleTheDriver11 day ago
+55
Them bombs ain't paying for themselves
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FireworkFuse1 day ago
+98
>They are an important service provided by the US government.
The government that lies by telling you the post office is actually a "business" and needs to turn a profit like a business meanwhile all your taxes go to blowing up children
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throwawayurwaste1 day ago
+31
They WERE before Congress gutted their ability to do basic financial services and handicapped their prices and kneecapded their pre-payments to pensions in only US Treasury bonds.
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ew731 day ago
+19
It's not a **business**, but it is its own thing. The USPS is an independent corporation whose corporate charter is held by the United States Congress.
They are not a "Government Agency" in the same way say, the Dept. of Agriculture" is. The USPS doesn't (normally) receive taxpayer funds for its operations as part of any budget -- they are entirely self-funded.
The USPS gets some special treatment, but that treatment comes with a requirement to deliver mail to every address in the US.
They don't have to turn a profit, but they do, by virtue of the way its organized, have to at least "break even".
I encourage you to go read about the history of the USPS, it's surprisingly interesting and has gone through a ton of different permutations over the years.
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Ok-disaster20221 day ago
+30
Congress made them fully fund their pension for like 60 years.
They also have to buy a new line of delivery vehicles that was designed by committee and built by a military industrial vendor that has terrible fuel economy for the non electric version (no hybrid version)
Meanwhile if you know history then you'd know that the primary role of the federal government before the civil war was the postal service. And like every other government service is should t be required to be profitable. The value of government services is it is cheaper than it actually costs in order to facilitate activity that supports a functioning economy. Near Universal mail access for Americans means no matter where you live you have access to the rest of the country. The postal service literally runs a donkey train to the bottomed if the grand canyon to service a tribal community where they live. for decades the Postal service was on the cutting edge of technologies. They were pioneering air mail routing just a couple years after flight was invented. And before radar and gos they build giant arrows in the middle of nowhere to direct pilots where to go.
The modern postal service still serves communities and was a vital source of jobs for vets, and that's actually the root cause of the mass shootings at postal offices in the 70s and 80s. Vets in charge wanted to run the postal offices like they were military units and that caused unneeded stress for the workers. The US postal service actually investigated and implemented changes that eliminated post shootings by the 90s. That's how effective they are at addressing problems. The current administration and Postman General is undermining all of that including undoing the changes implemented to prevent mass shootings because I kid you not it's "too woke".
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DataMin3r1 day ago
+8
Postal shootings weren't eliminated by the 90s. There were 2 in '91, 2 on the same day in '93.
At this point, the Post Office made a new Workplace Environment Analyst position to help alleviate the issues employees were having to cause the shootings.
Despite this, we still had 2 shootings in '95, 2 in '96, 1 in '97, and 3 in '06. Post office removed all their Workplace Environment Analysts in 2009 due to cuts and layoffs.
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doglywolf1 day ago
+14
actually the USPS is an independent non sponsored but certified government business . The only government assistance comes in the form of tax exemptions on its revenue. Its probably the one place that doesnt get federal funds most people would approve of getting federal funds.
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fallskjermjeger1 day ago
+9
The USPS essentially self funds through its retail sales and contract delivery. It hasn’t received regular federal funding since…I bet you can’t guess which presidential administration… >!Did you guess Reagan? You’d be correct! Not regularly funded since 1982!<
There were two recent infusions by the government, during COVID and again in 2022, but those aren’t regular operations funds.
It’s insane to me that a government service is left to die on the vine.
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4444Grains1 day ago
+9
He really fucked over this country, didn't he?
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Nice-Foot75521 day ago
+8770
Gotta stop the mail and keep people uninformed with no way to vote by mail. Sounds like a strategy from late 30’s early 40’s
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istrx131 day ago
+3633
City Carrier of 10 years for USPS here. In addition to what you said, our current collective bargaining agreement with USPS also expires this year. ~~So we will be heading to the negotiation table again here very soon~~ We are already currently in the process of negotiating a new deal. They will put all sorts of stuff out there to make it seem like we’re out of money as a means of justifying why they can’t give us more money with the new contract.
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SylphSeven1 day ago
+2253
Plenty of money for war. No money for postal service. I hate this timeline.
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garbageemail2221 day ago
+887
They want postal workers on strike or in a slowdown for the election
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Old-Flight86171 day ago
+641
They also want to privatize it.
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RockstarAgent1 day ago
+93
Why don’t they just email stuff or tweet it? -some exec
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Old-Flight86171 day ago
+58
"Do you guys not have phones?"
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JokeassJason1 day ago
+19
Diablo immortal?
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VelvetElvis1 day ago
+186
They can't because rural last mile delivery will never be profitable.
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Least-Worth-86341 day ago
+200
If they privatize USPS they only hurt their base. Rural ass low information voters rely on the postal service much more than liberals in the city
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Crommach1 day ago
+105
That's why they've leaned so heavily into building a voter base that will only believe media sources that push the party narrative. They convinced people to take f****** horse medicine over actual medical advice during the pandemic. The base will blame who they're told to blame.
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random123566221 day ago
+9
Taking apart the postal service, is taking apart one of the things that bound this country together as one nation.
It is one of the few federal agencies which was not law enforcement and was likely to be in people's lives from when it first started.
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Wyrmnax1 day ago
+58
"it is a very stupid idea" is very different from "they cant"
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Hot_Frosty08071 day ago
+19
Source: every day for a quarter of my life.
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MattMadMage1 day ago
+40
Look at telecom as an example for how this would go down. Privatized, for-profit mail would absolutely just not deliver to rural homes. At best, you'd get a post office in town where you'd have to pick up your own mail every day.
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chubbysumo1 day ago
+37
Oh it would be worse than that, not only would you not be given a post office box by default, you would have to rent it, but if you wanted Daily Mail delivery, you likely could subscribe to it for an exorbitant rate. Oh and don't forget, if you think advertisements through your mail are bad now, wait till a private company is trying to make a profit, and your mailbox will be stuffed full of advertisements. Rural delivery will be dead, if you want to see an example of what's profitable for private delivery companies, look no further than Amazon and fedex, as they do not deliver to areas that they consider unprofitable already. They will hand off their unprofitable delivery areas to the United States Postal Service to finish last mile delivery. The idea that the United States Postal Service should be run like a business is something that Republicans came up with as a way to siphon that business and money off to other companies.
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Kathumandu1 day ago
+47
They can’t actually strike due to Regan era laws
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swallowsnest871 day ago
+24
I mean, they can strike, whether it is against the law or not. I assume all strikes were against the law at one point.
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frosty_lizard1 day ago
+14
They want the existing people to quit and have yet another institution potentially fail the through cuts.
Republicans seem keen on having the country collapse
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ElectronicMoo1 day ago
+113
The postal service was a profitable branch until Congress pulled a d*** move making them pre fund pensions.
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Wyrmnax1 day ago
+107
It is a service. It should not need to be profitable. It is by definition something you pay for because it brings in a benefit.
Schooling, police, firefighters, army, postal. All are things that a society is willing to pay for because it needs them.
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ThatSandwich1 day ago
+39
The postal service is more important because it provides competition in a market that has an extremely high barrier to entry. Without USPS, FedEx and UPS can charge whatever price they agree on.
I'm honestly hugely in favor of an anti-trust lawsuit that separates Amazon's freight services from their store front. If they began offering services to the public at large it would change national and world shipping dynamics immensely.
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CHSummers1 day ago
+13
Exactly. It is social infrastructure. It helps the society function. Just like roads, it costs money. Just like roads, both the poor and rich can use it.
(And of course, someone out there wants all the roads to have tolls.)
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No_Struggle13641 day ago
+9
Well said. Perhaps every Sat or Sunday should be a No Kings Day.
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EkbatDeSabat1 day ago
+16
Biden removed this in 2022. Not sure why we haven't recovered yet.
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are-e-el1 day ago
+25
Trump appointee DeJoy was still running USPS
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OskaMeijer1 day ago
+29
The stooges that have been running it.
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RoastSucklingPotato1 day ago
+15
100% this
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Lopsided-Ticket38131 day ago
+87
No money for anything other than war apparently.
The proposed 1.5 trillion military budget is pretty close to Medicare and Medicare spending and nearly equal to the entire student loan portfolio.
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geddy1 day ago
+29
That military budget is a private army for trump so when the tides turn he can unleash the military against the United States.
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redditydothis1 day ago
+18
He already did with his ICE.
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confidential-edu1 day ago
+11
If a Tomahawk could be delivered to brown people outside of the 50 States via US Postal, the service would be in business!!!
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jimtow281 day ago
+51
"We can't pay our workers, we've got wars to fight!"
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rab-byte1 day ago
+6
And we can automatically register you for the draft but not to vote
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FatBoyStew1 day ago
+55
My uncle retires from the USPS in July and he couldn't be timing this stuff any better lol
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All_is_a_conspiracy1 day ago
+28
Thousands of other people will suffer lol.
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FatBoyStew1 day ago
+24
From my understanding its damn difficult to even get on full time at USPS anymore to even get to a point where you have to worry about a pension being paid or not. At one point his area would basically cancel temp contracts towards the end then and do them again so they never technically went full time.
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KensieQ721 day ago
+30
My husband just made the jump from RCA to PTF, and it took him jumping on an opening in another postal system (1.5 hours away) bc they’re so understaffed and need to keep people at a level where they can be taken advantage of.
I could not tell you what the acronyms stand for, all I know is the pay is better and he’s 1 step closer to the full career position. But he’s still just as screwed as he was in the last position so idk.
He’s working 10-12 hour days, 6 days a week, commuting 3 hours a day, all hoping to cross that finish line and get that carrot (better work benefits, long-term financial stability, etc.).
If they were to rip away pensions and the other benefits that make our sacrifices of the past few years worth it… that poor man might snap (and me too probably, idk how long I can single-mom a toddler lol).
We’re tired, bro.
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Goobintar1 day ago
+8
RCA is Rural Carrier Assistant. Those are always slow to make it to a career position as there are fewer routes and the carriers stay on forever.
PTF is Part Time Flexible. They're basically City Carrier Assistants with better pay and benefits.
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SnooChipmunks66201 day ago
+6
Canada Post driver here - they have done the same shit to us too. We're still negotiating. Good luck brother.
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T14421 day ago
+6
And my guess is over half of them voted for Trump. I have 5 retired and present USPS employees in my family (counting in-laws) and every one of them are Trump supporters. I support having a strong USPS just like I support strong farming but at some point, one has to say just let it burn and let people think about it and take responsibility for their actions.
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Silicon_Knight1 day ago
+145
Kinda where certain leaders want to bring America back to really.
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Beard_o_Bees1 day ago
+19
Crazy, especially considering almost none of them were alive during those times.
May as well go all the way back to our Pilgrim roots and restore all seized land to Native Americans and subsist on prayer and corn.
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MisterProfGuy1 day ago
+136
This has a lot more to do with Jeff Bezos figuring out how to abuse the mail system to build his own duplicate system, and now wanting to kill the equitable version that also has to service unprofitable areas.
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watercouch1 day ago
+135
Jeff Bezos, the gazillionaire who built his company by selling books, DVDs and CDs because those were the products can could be shipped via USPS using heavily subsidized media-mail postage rates? *That* Jeff Bezos?
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gold_and_diamond1 day ago
+51
The same Jeff Bezos who refused to collect state sales tax until Amazon got so big they could then afford it and squeeze out smaller competitors.
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Still_Detail_42851 day ago
+38
No one was paying state sales taxes on the internet until the laws changed. It was a fun time of saving money while waiting for a package to be delivered. It was a major reason people started to order online even though they were not sure if they could trust buying things on the internet.
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4444Grains1 day ago
+20
The same Jeff Bezos who pays his workers so little that we, the taxpayers, have to subsidize his workforce through SNAP and Medicaid? *That* Jeff Bezos?
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Tuesday_6PM1 day ago
+24
It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Voter oppression and privatization of civil services are both platforms of the GOP
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Far-Beautiful-20651 day ago
+746
They are not "cash strapped" and even if they were, the USPS is not around to make the government money. This is the dismantling of a federal device. It's an affront to the constitution
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meases1 day ago
+165
Honestly if they want more money, they should raise the cost of junk mail by one penny per piece. It would make over 550 million a year extra just with a 1 penny increase. And if junk mail senders didnt want to pay that extra penny, then it would be less volume of junk for the handlers to deal with saving money there.
But no, they just keep nickle and diming us by raising first class stamp and package prices, which pisses off the public and doesnt make nearly as much money as charging the junk mailers a single penny more per piece would.
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Sweetwill621 day ago
+46
Lol oh shit yeah they could just enshittify against the junk mail senders the same way other companies enshittify their products and services. Just keep raising the price until you actually lose money no matter how much it fucks over your core demographic. Even if they have to send less junk mail, who cares. I support USPS enshittification against junk mail senders.
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hobopwnzor1 day ago
+698
Adequately funded but constantly screwed over post office folds under constant financial sabotage by Republicans so they can further justify the destruction of our civil institutions.
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2HDFloppyDisk1 day ago
+175
This is the correct headline. And worth highlighting again that the person running USPS is a FedEx board member who would love to see the collapse of the postal service so it can be privatized.
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Straight_Document_891 day ago
+69
FedEx and ups won’t deliver to certain addresses for a reasonable rate. When usps goes those people that voted republican and live out in the boonies are gonna be fucked.
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ohlookahipster1 day ago
+27
Have you ever dealt with FedEx freight? They don’t even bother doing residential addresses half the time. You have to go directly to the distribution center which isn’t even designed for the general public.
Last time I went to the one in Oakland, I was yelled at by several workers that I was in a restricted area despite other workers saying where to go.
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FuckLex1 day ago
+239
Its the postal service. Not the postal company. They need to be funded. F*** republicans
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Do__Math__Not__Meth1 day ago
+57
This is why I hated when people would say “Trump will run this country like a business!”
Like first of all he sucks at running businesses, but second of all that’s not the purpose of a government
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ForensicPathology1 day ago
+4
And third, these days "running a business" means selling it to a leveraged investor who strips it of all its good parts to get a return on the loans used to buy the business.
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sarduchi1 day ago
+192
Can't vote by mail if there's no mail. That's just science! /sad sarcasm
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JFeth1 day ago
+106
Isn't congress forcing them to prepay those pension plans the reason they are broke in the first place?
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det89241 day ago
+93
That was stopped in 2022, but that mandate really hurt the USPS from 2006 to 2021 because it zapped them of a lot of flexibility to make upgrades to their services and widen their business. It also doesn't help that the USPS is mandated to do universal delivery no matter how unprofitable. While the universal delivery mandate doesn't account for all of its losses about 40% of the current shortfall is attributed toward just that one mandate.
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Andres_5041 day ago
+74
to be fair, the universal delivery mandate is its responsibility as a federally-sponsored service. Mail should be able to be delivered to The Elder at the top of a mountain.
Now maybe if the head of postals service wasn’t formerly an executive at *checks notes* FedEx?!?!
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murshawursha1 day ago
+15
Or via helicopter to a remote island in the Bering Strait:
>Mail has been delivered to the island by helicopter since 1982 and is currently delivered weekly (up until 2013, mail was delivered by plane more frequently in winter months when the ice runway allowed for more deliveries). The postal contract is one of the oldest in the nation, the only one that uses helicopters for delivering mail, and with a cost of over $300,000 annually, is the most expensive in Alaska.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede,_Alaska
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PuddleCrank1 day ago
+7
Counter point, that's sick as hell and cool countries deliver mail by freaking helicopter to even their most remote cutizens because they can.
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Davran1 day ago
+34
The Post Office is a government service, not a business. Turning a profit should not be part of the calculus here. Every American pays taxes allegedly to pay for these services, not so the government can make a profit.
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Optimal_Brain_29081 day ago
+28
Biden helped get rid of that.
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Akraticacious1 day ago
+6
To be more precise, it was health care costs not pensions, and not actually 75 years but yeah a long time and burden.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/afl-cio/widespread-facebook-post-blames-2006-law-us-postal/
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ralphthemagician1 day ago
+53
I do not think people realize the impact that the collapse of USPS will have on *everything*. Say goodbye to shipping anything for under $10. The cost of almost everything you buy online will rise—a lot, and fast. Mail order prescriptions will rise. Entire industries will go bankrupt within weeks.
USPS is something you really don't think about. It just kind of works in the background. Even if you get most of your deliveries via FedEx or UPS, the reality is that USPS is the low-cost backbone. The rates that FedEx and UPS are able to offer are often blended rates that take into account the volume of last mile delivery costs that USPS absorbs.
Maybe USPS never should have gotten into package delivery. Maybe you don't think the government should be subsidizing private e-commerce. That's fair. But the reality is that's the way it's been, and you reap the benefits of this without even noticing. If USPS goes under, there is going to be a real FAFO moment that people will have when the cost of shipping for everything rises dramatically.
For perspective, in 2016 the cost to ship a 8 oz package across the country was $2.60. Today that cost is between $5.58 and $6.24. If USPS actually does run out of money, you can expect that cost to go up dramatically—probably double. Maybe more.
Amazon Prime will not save you. The same item that was $14.49 with "free two-day shipping" will suddenly either be $24.99 or, more likely, will simply disappear because the company that made it went bankrupt do the instantaneous demand destruction. The collapse of USPS will *obliterate* small business.
IMO, the collapse of USPS will have a larger effect on the average person in the US than 2000, 2008, COVID, or whatever the !@#$ is happening now. It will fundamentally reshape the country. Even if you can't remember the last time you sent a letter—or maybe you NEVER have—you rely on USPS *every day*.
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Jaded_Grapefruit7951 day ago
+8
Also usps does last mile shipping for all the other delivery services anyways, as they can literally not deliver to everyone like usps can without cutting their profits
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domine181 day ago
+45
And the military operates at a trillion lose each year let’s dismantle that also.
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Toxic_Lantern1 day ago
+222
So the agency that physically delivers retirement checks is underfunding its own retirement? Cool cool. Maybe step one is Congress undoing that ridiculous pre-funding mandate instead of acting shocked every time USPS money problems hit the news.
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TealPotato1 day ago
+81
The pre-funding requirement was repealed in 2022.
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Mrchristopherrr1 day ago
+47
Yeah, that was one of those easy Biden Ws that somehow never made waves online.
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LMurch131 day ago
+30
USPS is a service, not a business. They are not "cash strapped", they are under-funded.
Can you imagine the Navy being called "cash-strapped". Our news networks are spreading propaganda for this administration.
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squeezyflit1 day ago
+11
IIRC, they're not funded at all. Back in the 80s they went to a model where they are self-funded through service and postage sales.
[https://about.usps.com/who/profile/about-usps.pdf](https://about.usps.com/who/profile/about-usps.pdf)
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Extra_Toppings1 day ago
+7
Exactly and doing a really good job at given the strenuous constraints congress has put on it. Could be a model for the military in many regards
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aluke0001 day ago
+55
Easy, just take funds from DHS/ICE and use it for good instead of evil.
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BubbleThinker1 day ago
+38
Thank your Republican friends and family members
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InevitableHimes1 day ago
+53
The USPS is a government ***service,*** not a business. The only way for it to be "cash-strapped" is if the government refuses to fund it.
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Amigobear1 day ago
+5
They did, but also Amazon being are biggest customer is doing their own deliveries. Trump killed the ev mandate so we spent a f*** ton of money redoing parking lots for vehicles we can't use. Stations that still using LLVs are cannibalizing what's left of those trucks. We've been getting fucked over for 2 decades now.
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acuet1 day ago
+25
Hmmmmm…..a constitutional service that is funding not as a profit but just funded. Stop treating it like it’s a Corp.
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ni_hao_butches1 day ago
+16
Stop treating any government service like a business. F****** Regean era brain rot. DOD cant pass an aduit and yet I hear no republican crying to treat it like a business.
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Guntcher_14231 day ago
+20
It is not a business, it is a service. It is right there in the name. No one ever says, "Oh, the WAR DEPARTMENT is losing money" Time to defund it!"
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EphEwe21 day ago
+8
And it’s in the constitution!
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tommycnuthatch1 day ago
+9
cash-strapped = INTENTIONALLY UNDERFUNDED
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[deleted]1 day ago
+7
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pc010819941 day ago
+21
But we can afford to bomb the shit out of Iran. This country is a f****** joke.
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PatrioticPariah1 day ago
+7
This has been carefully orchestrated by the GOP. NeverTrustARepublican
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mullingitover1 day ago
+7
> The service has reported net losses of $118 billion since 2007
It's so dishonest to frame a constitutionally mandated service in these terms. We don't talk about the net losses of the US military, and the founders never even wanted that to exist as a permanent thing.
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ThinkingIntrusively1 day ago
+7
To everyone who comes across this comment, thank you.
Sincerely,
A proud USPS letter carrier.
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War1today1 day ago
+7
Let’s collapse the post office just before the election; reads like a Trump plan.
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BeepBoopRobotVoice1 day ago
+7
Republicans are destroying our society.
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paleo20021 day ago
+20
Don't worry! The Free Market will solve this! Once the USPS has finally been buried, FedEx and UPS will be more than happy to clog their logistics networks with junk mail, credit card ads, and paper letters informing you that your paperless billing statement is now available.
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Bonamikengue1 day ago
+14
You know that 3/4 of people in rural areas where no commercial shipping company delivers get their prescribed meds in the mail?
The USPS is serving the public as basic infrastructure. No commercial provider will do it. More - those providers use the USPS in those area for the last mile....
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Tuesday_6PM1 day ago
+6
Don’t forget delivering prescription medication to widespread rural homes. That’ll surely be a lucrative market Amazon will voluntarily move into!
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all4whatnot1 day ago
+11
It's a "SERVICE" right? Like the military is a service? Is the military expected to come out cash-positive at the end of the year?
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Jimmbones1 day ago
+11
I know I'm preaching to the choir, but the USPS should not be stressed to make a profit. It should be federally subsidized.
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HolyMoleyGuacamoly1 day ago
+3
we can afford to bomb the shit out of random countries any day of the week though
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EmptyCourage22741 day ago
+4
It's a f****** national service it does not run out of money. Does the military or Congress pay run out of money? F****** no, so why would this? O that's right to f*** over the common people who use it. F*** the American government in its f****** face
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Willowy1 day ago
+5
Hell no, stop! The postal service isn't supposed to be profitable! It's a government service! STOP making it seem like it's cash-poor and needs to be sold to the highest bidder! It's not for sale!
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whk19921 day ago
+4
It’s by design. Wait till the Administration privatizes USPS due to it being nonprofitable and no one is obligated to deliver ballots.
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brakeled1 day ago
+9
The wealthiest country in the world being unable to fund their federal government is a failure on leadership at the federal level, period. There is no excuse for this other than failures at every facet of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. This country has placed more value in accumulating individual wealth for a select-few over appropriately and adequately providing services for the public - the same public who's work ensures those select-few are even able to hoard what they have.
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astrofizix1 day ago
+10
It's not cash strapped, it's underfunded by Congress.
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NeoLephty1 day ago
+8
"cash strapped" is a hell of a way to say "legislation requires USPS to suddenly fund pensions for 100 years".
>The service has reported net losses of $118 billion since 2007 as first-class mail, its most profitable product, has fallen to its lowest volume since the late 1960s.
The bill I mentioned passed in 2006. What a coincidence it aligns perfectly with the start of the reported net losses.
[https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/](https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/)
Manufacturing consent for the elimination of the post office because profits.
Disgusting.
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Dreams-Visions1 day ago
+4
I was thinking the EXACT same thing.
As if there's no REASON for it being cash-strapped.
I hate the media so much.
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Mendican1 day ago
+4
How much money does DHS have?
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No_Mathematician7641 day ago
+4
Boy that louis dejoy was sure a great pick to head the USPS. that government agency that's in the constitution.
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Daveit4later1 day ago
+4
A year and 4 months end Trump had abolished the department of education, destroyed TSA, and completely refunded the postal service. Not to mention threatening genocide in a war no one wanted.
What a great jobs he's doing.
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forstuff41 day ago
+5
No money for mail but money for war
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NorthSpecialist60641 day ago
+4
Thanks, conservatives. Breaking a perfectly fine mailing system.
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every1duck1 day ago
+3
I think he's going to shut the USPS down for the mail in ballots
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TheRealBittoman1 day ago
+3
So Republicans have finally, after damn near 50 years, managed to cripple and almost put in a coma, the US Post Office. Congratulations, if you supported Trump, Reagan, and the 2 different Bush administrations, then you supported what will become a less reliable, far more expensive, and absolutely ridiculous private sector mail service because that's what is going to happen and that's why Republicans have been trying to hamstring and defund the USPS all these decades.
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Self_Owned_Tree1 day ago
+4
Republicans have been trying to kill the USPS for decades, and somehow they’ve finally done it.
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Salamok1 day ago
+3
US going to be the only first world country that lets it's postal **service** collapse because they thought it should be run like a for profit business.
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snooplarue1 day ago
+4
Their pension money was.shot into Iran
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aquoad1 day ago
+4
This f****** sucks, that they're actually getting close to succeeding at destroying the USPS. The alternatives already suck and will suck exponentially more once there's no alternative.
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Wyldjay21 day ago
+4
Trump was trying to destroy the Post Office in his first term. It’s why he put Dejoy in there. I’m assuming his business friends want out privatize so they can profit off of it.
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keyblade_crafter1 day ago
+3
All I can say is I'm glad I got out as a carrier assistant before losing my shoulders and knees only for this shit to happen. Mail service should be a no brainer job to be set for retirement with how important it is.
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-Megrim-1 day ago
+3
USPS like other public services are not meant to make money. You wouldn't complain about your Fire Department not making money. The only reason for this issue is because their funding is being slashed to drive profits to private companies and make billionaires more money and less for workers.
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FourWildJokers1 day ago
+4
Money for bullets and missiles but none for education and wages. Got it.
This is winning, right? Hello?
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Justryan951 day ago
+4
I hope all these voter suppression tactics harm rural and poor/uneducated Republicans HARD
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Negative_Gravitas1 day ago
+14
Failure by design. This was in the works even before Project 2025 hit the streets.
F*** "Delivering for America" and double-F*** Lois DeJoy.
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Gay_Giraffe_17731 day ago
+8
The Post Office was never NEVER intended to be a for-profit entity. It is a service for the American People.
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LoserBroadside1 day ago
+6
It’s not cash strapped. It’s been purposely strangled by the Republican Congress going back to the 90s.
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warderbob1 day ago
+6
There's no such thing as a cash strapped gov agency that is written into the constitution. Postal service is guaranteed in our constitution. This clever ruse and lie that it can't function on its own merit is ridiculous. Even if it was needed, the gov can quite literally just print money to pay for it.
What needs to stop is Congress using it as an atm machine for other things they otherwise can't find funding for. The USPS otherwise would run in the black just through their own operations.
What Congress has done to the USPS in the last few decades is criminal.
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TintedApostle1 day ago
+11
They want to sell off the post office. The land is worth billions of dollars and they can sell it off for pennies on the dollar to their friends. Then Amazon swoops in and charges for mail service while also cutting off unprofitable areas of the country.
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