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News & Current Events Apr 12, 2026 at 3:48 PM

CENTCOM using underwater drones to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz

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CENTCOM using underwater drones to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz | The Jerusalem Post
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CENTCOM using underwater drones to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz | The Jerusalem Post
The closure of the Strait of Hormuz is a sticking point for both the United States and Iran in ceasefire talks, with Iran estimated to have between 2,000 and 6,000 naval mines.

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ruskyandrei 21 hr ago +494
It's funny we're talking about demining still after the US blockade announcement. Either the administration and everyone else expect the blockade thing to be another Trump style Bs that won't happen or everyone is again underestimating how long Iran will hold out even if it does happen. Blockades are not a quick tool to victory, they take months or years before the effects exert enough pressure to lead to something. The world economy will crash before Iran gives up.
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Green_Dream20 20 hr ago +203
I think the idea is to put pressure on China and India to help, their ships were still getting through albeit in smaller amounts. Yeah, Trump screwed up big time! He does not want to put boots on the ground but also doesn't want Iran to have control of the strait. He is stuck, and keeps trying to rope the rest of the world in.
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007meow 18 hr ago +54
He doesn’t want boots on the ground and free transit through the Strait… which is exactly what we had before. Once again, had he done nothing, we’d all be better off.
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Ogow 20 hr ago +156
Pressuring China and India will just resort to them escorting their own ships, not pressuring Iran to stand down. Is the US going to shoot down Chinese and Indian ships? You know… I honestly don’t know anymore.
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UnoriginalStanger 16 hr ago +14
While I doubt they will actually stop ships, having to e***** your cargo ships is rather costly.
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Man_under_Bridge420 20 hr ago +30
And the other tankers with follow them.
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Pabus_Alt 18 hr ago +12
And sink. Unless you think China would waste ammo defending American tankers? India *might*
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SkiingAway 17 hr ago +13
The US doesn't really buy much oil from the Gulf and not many tankers are sailing under a US flag.
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Vast_Koala_8847 16 hr ago +13
Oil prices are akin to gold. The price of oil domestically is the same as the world price in the Gulf, and the highest bidder takes it all. This is based on the demand-supply principle. Even a 10% reduction in demand can cause significant price spikes. The world is more interconnected than ever before, and this can trigger inflation very quickly. A $6 per gallon diesel price is unsustainable for domestic farmers and logistics companies.
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dvsu12 11 hr ago +4
That's cute. Diesel is averaging $8 USD per gallon here in Australia currently ($3.16 per litre).
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eobanb 14 hr ago +4
> A $6 per gallon diesel price is unsustainable for domestic farmers and logistics companies lol, diesel has been that price in much of Europe for years. Americans will have to learn to be more efficient for once
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johntaylor37 10 hr ago +6
In the USA there is a huge overlap between big diesel truck owners and Trump voters.
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Vast_Koala_8847 13 hr ago +3
before the war we had it for $3.50, the farmers were already strained at $3 and at $6 people will see 10-20% inflation on food prices if war continues for 2 more months, not looknig good
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LeedsFan2442 12 hr ago +2
Farmers use red diesel which is cheaper don't they?
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gulbronson 7 hr ago +1
No taxes but otherwise the price is the same. It's for any off-road use like farm equipment, construction equipment, etc.
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Pabus_Alt 17 hr ago +8
Then the whole thing is moot and the Chinese ships will carry on protecting their own
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ThePlanck 14 hr ago +7
The US also doesn't have a nationalized oil industry because capitalism. The oil is extracted by private companies who are going to sell it to the highest bidder whether in the US or otherwise.
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Just_Side8704 8 hr ago +1
Irrelevant, since we buy oil on the same market everyone else does.
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Man_under_Bridge420 17 hr ago
You think iran is that good at targeting?
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Pabus_Alt 17 hr ago +21
1) yes, Iranian systems are capable of target acquisition over 30 miles. That is basically knife-fight range. 2) interceptors cost more than missiles 3) the Iranians only need to convincingly hit *one* tanker to deter companies from attempting to run the blockade. Remember tankers need to keep far apart.
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SvedishFish 17 hr ago +8
Right, the strait is so narrow that you can really only fit one tanker at a time through the tightest bends. It's a shooting gallery, and these ships are carrying a few million liters of explosive cargo.
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AppleTree98 16 hr ago +8
It is the insurance companies keeping them from traversing the straight. Not the embargo or the threat of attack. Insurance companies call the shots.
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josephrehall 15 hr ago +9
Money calls the shots. You could find a crew that would take the risk for the right amount of money. You could find an insurer that would insure you, but it wouldn't make financial sense. It's the shipping companies that call the shots and they aren't in the business of losing money.
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Churchillreborn 20 hr ago +5
They don’t need to. They just need to park their own warships in the shipping lanes.
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takesthebiscuit 19 hr ago +14
Will a USA warship captain fire on a Chinese flagged vessel on the illegal orders of an insane president? That would be crazy and give China the pretext it needs to carry out its own attacks on its self proclaimed China pacific territory’s that it’s been expanding over the last 20 years
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UltimateGlimpse 17 hr ago +5
If Chinese warships are escorting ships to their destinations, Iran won’t be laying as many mines I’d guess.
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jmacintosh250 19 hr ago +6
More than likely just boarding actions. Which is harder to stop as the crews are near all unarmed and no one wants to start shooting with the US: that’s how you get sunk. China will likely cry “we aren’t involved!” To which the US will likely respond “neither were the Gulf states”.
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Deltwit 18 hr ago +2
Not too easy if the ship resists, really depends on the captain of the tanker
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Settra_Rulez 15 hr ago +3
Civilian crews aren’t suicidal enough to resist. Look at the Venezuela blockade.
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Eazy-Eid 13 hr ago -1
So they'll be policing the Strait, as the US wanted them to?
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LeedsFan2442 12 hr ago +1
They say they will detain all ships travelling to Iranian ports
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Pruzter 9 hr ago +1
Why would they do that when it’s easier to pressure the Iranians to agree to the US deal.
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CursorX 14 hr ago
Exactly this. No way US tries anything with Chinese or Indian e***** frigates.
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Joyous-Volume-67 20 hr ago -17
Push comes to shove, yes, the United States isn't going to let anyone run a Naval blockade, come what may
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RedditIsADataMine 20 hr ago +32
0% chance US actually try to sink a Chinese or Indian ship. 
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Amori_A_Splooge 20 hr ago +4
Zero chance Indian or Chinese warships venture out that far for a sustained period.
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AmorphousMess 18 hr ago +5
You mean the same Chinese navy that has held an anti-piracy flotilla continuously off Somalia for nearly 20 years?
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Amori_A_Splooge 17 hr ago
Edit: Ah a brand new six day old baby bot. That would be the one. Those pirates been flying one-way attack drones? How would that flotilla even detect the drones let alone hit those drones with anything aboard? Even if they don't get attacked, that shit is expensive. And congrats, the fuel you just escorted across Straight now gets used by your flotilla so you can do it again.
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Joyous-Volume-67 20 hr ago +4
we're gonna find out
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maporita 20 hr ago +8
If Trump backs down because of high gas prices I'm pretty sure he's not going to risk starting a war with China which would at best crater the economy.
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Joyous-Volume-67 20 hr ago +6
If Trump blockade the Straight of Hormuz it's pretty safe to say he no longer cares about the economy one way or the other
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LieComfortable7764 16 hr ago +1
The traffic has already been stopped by Iran’s threats this blockade is essentially only going to impact Iranian oil.
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tall-not-small 20 hr ago +3
Pretty sure Russia are getting to Cuba
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Joyous-Volume-67 20 hr ago -4
After two months, and Russia asking nicely, lol
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Ogow 15 hr ago +3
A blockade is only as strong as standing your ground. They're not building a physical impenetrable wall on the ocean. It's just an imaginary line they're saying "don't cross." That means, at some point, they need to hold their ground by force. If a Chinese ship is approaching their blockade they have two choices: open fire on the chinese ship, or let them pass. Which option do you think will actually happen? Clue: Tuesday is approaching.
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kickguy223 15 hr ago +2
How do you think you stop Chinese war vessels transporting cargo ships? Tell them nicely to stop? No you threaten to sink them, _then you actually sink them_. Are you telling me that you're okay with starting a war with china? Blockading is an _action_ that you have to _enforce_. you don't just announce a blockade and it happens magically.
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jpric155 16 hr ago +5
Believe it or not now China is ramping up their oil imports from the US.
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CryptoThroway8205 8 hr ago +2
True, they're also buying from Venezuela (which you can say is the US), Brazil, and West Africa. And I didn't check but I'm guessing at least half the ships going around the Cape of Good Hope aren't Chinese but rather belong to the rest of Asia.
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ruskyandrei 20 hr ago +15
I do wonder how that'll work though, since that would require the US to effectively illegally detain Indian/Chinese ships in international water.
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Joyous-Volume-67 20 hr ago -5
Well, not detain, simply blockade, those north of the Straight are stuck, those south can go around if they like, and ask Israel to transit their oil overland, lol
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nudelsalat3000 13 hr ago +2
Well China could e***** their ships, but this would break the US blockade. Suddenly a China military ship can get attacked by US, then the real fun starts.
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ThoughtShes18 20 hr ago +3
No. Trump just continues to do whatever he wants. This isn’t a screw up for him.
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UnknownHero2 14 hr ago +12
Elsewhere I'm seeing that it's just the ships paying the Iranian toll that will be seized. That would give at least the illusion of a legal basis since the the toll is definitely a sanctions violation. That would also sidestep the problems you mentioned as well. I don't think the goal of that would be to traditional economic starvation, instead just discouraging ships 'playing it safe' by handing Iran money. The (weird) status quo of iranian oil tankers being allowed to freely come and go would continue. Trump is such a f****** incompetent communicator, who knows what the actual implementation will be though. If there will be an implementation at all.
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frosthowler 19 hr ago +56
The blockade is for anyone paying a toll. And Iran claims they mined their southern neighbors shores so that the only safe passage is by going near Iranian shores and paying the toll. The US is simultaneously not allowing anyone to use the Iranian toll and also working on opening up a viable alternative It goes hand in hand and is the only logical policy to follow to stop Iran from establishing a toll.
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30yearCurse 18 hr ago +13
Good clarification.
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Pabus_Alt 17 hr ago +4
Is the Southern passage safe from surface drones and anti ship missiles?
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UnoriginalStanger 16 hr ago +2
Missiles idk but basic shaheds are gps targeted making them poor anti ship weapons, now russia does have some more advanced onces capable of some image recognizition.
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smshah 15 hr ago +2
They can’t fly their drones?
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avianrave 13 hr ago +2
If they make them more advanced to allow a secure data link and flight controls, they no longer the cost of a flying lawnmower.  They do have anti ship drones, but I don't know much more than that. 
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Cypher007 8 hr ago +2
Moat of the time no. It would be easy to get jammed if their is a link between the drone and the operator. I think it was BBC or DW news in youtube who said that Drone operators plot a course for a drone to follow. But they dont use shahed drone for anti ship though. They use naval drone launched from Iran's shore to hit ships
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UnoriginalStanger 15 hr ago
It's possible that they can but those are prone to being jammed and you're probably not gonna be stretching fiber optics across the strait
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KP_Wrath 19 hr ago +23
Hell, we did a full embargo on Cuba and that just taught them how to make immortal 1950s Chevys.
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EmperorSadrax 16 hr ago +3
The guts were replaced long ago with Soviet 4banger engines but the body and some of the frame stayed.
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Aggressive_Lie_4446 16 hr ago +9
Blockades are not a quick tool to victory, they take months or years before the effects exert enough pressure to lead to something. It depends on the country. For Iran, it is literally at war and oil makes up 85% of its national revenue. Remove that and immediately it goes full Venezuela and Zimbabwe all at once. It means being unable to pay IRGC officials. It means being unable to rebuild all the infrastructure the US and Israel have bombed out, some of which is absolutely essential for the day-to-day running of the country. Like their petrochemical sector is basically gone, most of their cement and steel factories are gone too. To build anything they need oil money first of all to pay for the rebuilding of the basics of the economy that have been taken out. Cuba was able to hold out because until 1991, it has the USSR infusing it with cash and propping up its economy. China and Russia are definitely not going to do that. After 1991, Cuba collapsed and collapsed BAD. But still, it had a small but diversified economy and the embargo applied only to the US. It could in theory trade with the rest of the world, only that it was difficult to do so because the world relies on US systems so much. Iran has no such access save for its attempts at smuggling its oil via Iraq and Syria(that is a whole essay in of itself but a major crackdown has been happening to circumvent this). With them also having bombed the one nation that was laundering their money (the UAE). Iran will see almost immediate inflation. I wonder if the goal is to force the people to become so angry and hungry that they do a Dutch and eat the IRGC or something.
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LeedsFan2442 12 hr ago +2
The IRGC still have all guns still and are religious fanatics so I don't see a revolutionary any time soon
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h1nds 7 hr ago +2
It’s easy to understand, Iran wasn’t completely blocking the Strait it was selectively blocking certain ships from going through while letting Chinese, Indian and others ships go through. So the US tried to end the conflict and open the strait but to no avail, so they said “F*** it, if some ships aren’t allowed to pass so no ship is allowed to pass, we are in this together!”. That way the countries that are allied with Iran and had seen their oil pass through the strait are going to be pressured to talk down Iran and force the complete reopening of the strait.
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m0nk_3y_gw 16 hr ago +1
> It's funny we're talking about demining still after the US blockade announcement. Why? Part of Iran's cards was that they could agree to remove their mines BUT they can't, because they lost track of them.
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Porkyrogue 7 hr ago +1
Thats why the US is doing this. Or, next on the news "a mine appears" 15 years from now on a beach ⛱️
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fizzyknickers69 20 hr ago +1
I think you're greatly overestimating the position Iran is in currently.
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Ogow 20 hr ago +28
You’re overestimating. Even when the US had fully invaded Afghanistan and the country was decimated and the people were suffering, did the war stop? No. This is guerilla warfare, there are no clear win/lose lines here for the invader. The Iranians will keep fighting until literally every last person is defeated. Every head of the hydra you chop off spawns two more with different ideologies that very likely conflict not just with what YOU want, but also with what each other want. The longer this goes on, the more chaotic it gets. The only winning, just like Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan, is to just leave. Even if the strait is cleared of mines and Iran’s “military” is dismantled, there will still be splinter cells of opposition. Teams of people putting together drones and IEDs and whatever else to sabotage not only anyone within the country, but also any ships because it has been proven now that the ships and the strait are a clear pressure point.
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ruskyandrei 20 hr ago +8
Sure, Iran is not in a great position either, but economic hardship is much less impactful on a country that has other things keeping it together (like autocratic oppression and propaganda, religious fervour etc) It would be a mistake to assume the same things that would break a rich, democratic country, would break Iran.
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LeedsFan2442 12 hr ago +4
Yeah just look at North Korea. The regime still has an iron grip despite regular famines
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highlyregtardedtake 17 hr ago
Are you saying folks who are starving are hurting worse than folks paying the equivalent of a fancy meal more once a month ?
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UnoriginalStanger 16 hr ago
Worth noting though that Iran already has had riots over their poor economic siutation though.
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Such-Nebula 13 hr ago -2
Instigated by Israel and US, so it’s not a true representation of organic sentiments
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smoothtrip 11 hr ago +1
And you for sure know this.
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Such-Nebula 7 hr ago
Officials from both admitted as much. This isn’t conjecture.
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UnoriginalStanger 13 hr ago
Far too many to not represent sentiments. They would not have needed to kill nearly as many if not.
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GoWest1223 20 hr ago +16
Famous last words when invading a country.
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Elegant_Tech 20 hr ago +4
Even if they remove the mines and give e***** how many companies will ship if Iran is taking pot-shots with drones and missiles at ships?
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subtle_bullshit 8 hr ago +1
I think you’re greatly overestimating the position North Vietnam is in currently. Wait a minute…
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Just_Side8704 8 hr ago +1
Sure. It will be easy, like Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam.
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LieComfortable7764 16 hr ago
Iran’s only real form of income right now is oil and pretty soon they won’t be able to sell it. It’s not going to take years but weeks before the cheques stop going to Iranian soldiers.
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Settra_Rulez 15 hr ago
Half their oil industry is owned by the IRGC, so it’s the most effective way to undercut their finances.
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Different_Height_157 19 hr ago
He’s just emotionally responding.
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Apprehensive-View583 19 hr ago
he just trying to get the real steak hold to send their own war ship to the strait either by escrowing it just station there so there is no way for Iran to selectively attack ships not to mention mining the strait.
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Zook25 20 hr ago +59
An article from 2019: "As a result, the officer said each of the four ships are typically underway only 15% of the time. Sometimes, those interviewed said, the training missions that get done prove as frustrating as being stuck in drydock. The sailor who’d been on the Devastator said the underwater drones are successful in finding mines only about 20% of the time. He knew of only one time when the crew was able to find a mine, and that was during a training exercise when it had the GPS coordinates for it." [https://www.propublica.org/article/iran-has-hundreds-of-naval-mines-us-navy-minesweepers-find-old-dishwashers-car-parts](https://www.propublica.org/article/iran-has-hundreds-of-naval-mines-us-navy-minesweepers-find-old-dishwashers-car-parts)
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ski_it_all 16 hr ago +30
This is in reference to the Avenger class minesweepers. They were very old, and the new class of minesweeper that replaces them has much more advanced technology. This is why the four Avenger class that were in the gulf earlier this year left to be decommissioned.
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Circle_Trigonist 16 hr ago +9
A more recent headline was "U.S. Navy Minesweepers Stationed In Middle East Are Now In Singapore, Two of three Littoral Combat Ships assigned to Middle Eastern minesweeping duties have made another move in the opposite direction." So I'm not really sure what they're doing. One of the ships mentioned in the posted article that replaced the Avengers for minesweeping, the USS Santa Barbara (LCS-32), still appears to be in Singapore, while the other, the USS Canberra (LCS-30), seems to be in India.
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UnoriginalStanger 15 hr ago +7
Likely maintenance and resupplying.
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MobileArtist1371 14 hr ago +11
And Project Maven was identifying trees for people, rocks for buildings, and clouds in the sky as school busses, yet is now directly involved in full blown military missions all within in the same time frame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://www.npr.org/2026/03/23/nx-s1-5757478/inside-a-secret-pentagon-effort-to-bring-ai-to-the-battlefield
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hiphopheadyglass 16 hr ago +13
2019 was 7 years ago buddy
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jeffersonianMI 16 hr ago +6
Are you implying thats a long time for the U.S. military?  The bulk of our stuff is all insanely old. 
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Salt_Crow6159 15 hr ago -3
And most of the other incredibly modern, in 7, it gives enough time to build a dozen new ships and polish technological doctrines, it only took three years for drones to be a dreaded threat.
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Porkyrogue 7 hr ago +1
Naa drones were wicked in 2003
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Salt_Crow6159 7 hr ago +1
Nobody at that time wanted to throw 200k drones at the military or the Taliban, you know?
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Easik 21 hr ago +109
This truly doesn't matter. As long as Iran says the strait is closed, it's closed. It just takes 1 oil tanker on fire to keep the strait closed indefinitely and there are about a million different ways to strike them.
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Sharp-Fisherman7081 7 hr ago +3
Yeah but if they can keep clearing mines faster than Iran can lay them, that changes the equation. It's not just about one tanker, it's about who controls the waterway day to day.
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Shot-Toe-2884 20 hr ago -93
2 can play that game. Maybe countries should just start dropping mines in every international channel? China wouldn’t mind if we mined the Taiwan strait right? I mean the world is letting Iran do it with abject terror tactics and even cheering them on, so why shouldn’t others? People don’t seriously think this makes Iran strong right? If you’re so desperate that you mine international waters, you’re incredibly weak *and* you know it.
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molybdenum75 20 hr ago +70
Letting Iran? The strait wasn’t mined a month ago. Why is it mined now?
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abenevolentmouse 20 hr ago +40
Bc of operation Epstein Fury!
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eorlingas_riders 20 hr ago +34
I mean, the Trump admin started bombing boats in international waters last year before this whole conflict… showing that they didn’t respect international law and going off the “might is right” rule of law… Why isn’t it fair play for Iran to do that off their coast?
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psychoCMYK 20 hr ago +39
Lol it's not about strong or weak, it's about results. The inconvenient truth is that Iran has a lot of control through that strait. Are these people cheering abject terror tactics in the room with us? Or are you mistaking contempt for America as support for the IRGC?
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Pabus_Alt 17 hr ago +7
Iran isn't strong. You don't need to be when you've got your opponents balls in a vice. The reason others are not doing it is because it won't help them. Iran is actively hurting itself, its just aware it is hurting everyone else more. The current US warplan is in fact to mine the Taiwan strait. Its just not currently in its favour.
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Internal_Influence26 20 hr ago +12
This was their only play, and everyone knew it beforehand. Trump and his sidekicks would have been warned against this being a strong possibility, and still carried out operation Epic Failure. It's not strength, it's desperation, but it's very effective.
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wonderstoat 20 hr ago +13
Congratulations! We’re all here from an amazing multitude of countries and walks of life and you’re the dumbest person any of us are going to hear from today!
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Shot-Toe-2884 20 hr ago -13
Uh oh, somebody is triggered! 😂 Sorry little guy. Read it again. You guys are stupid as f***. Your terror tactics won’t work. Keep trolling me. Nobody cares. It’s an Internet forum.
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Just_Side8704 8 hr ago +2
The world knows Trump caused this problem. They know he is failing bigly.
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Vanthan 20 hr ago +6
Why did they mine it hmmmm?
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NeedsMorBoobs 19 hr ago +2
……Sir / Ma’am you maybe having a stroke please seek immediate mental help
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Rustic_gan123 17 hr ago -21
When Iran starts attacking ships during the ceasefire, the bombing will resume.
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volcus 13 hr ago +20
No ship will traverse the straits until Iran gives them the all clear. The Insurance companies won't allow it. All Iran has to do is deny passage to any oil tanker. They don't have to attack anyone. The US is stopping Iranian ships or ships that pay a toll from leaving and Iran is stopping any other ships from leaving. Welcome to inflation and demand destruction.
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Rustic_gan123 13 hr ago -1
>No ship will traverse the straits until Iran gives them the all clear. The Insurance companies won't allow it. All Iran has to do is deny passage to any oil tanker. They don't have to attack anyone. The threats need to be refreshed, if several convoys are conducted without Iranian attacks, then the insurers will start giving the pass and Iran will be forced to attack if it truly wants to control the strait. >The US is stopping Iranian ships or ships that pay a toll from leaving and Iran is stopping any other ships from leaving. The blockade of Iran was announced only today, and Iran has been claiming control for over a month, as you yourself claim... By the way, does the fact that the US Navy will begin a blockade of Iran mean that they own Iranian ports? >Welcome to inflation and demand destruction. I expect WWIII in near future for about 4 years and am preparing accordingly.
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volcus 12 hr ago +4
>The threats need to be refreshed, if several convoys are conducted without Iranian attacks, then the insurers will start giving the pass and Iran will be forced to attack if it truly wants to control the strait. Insurance companies don't make money paying claims. They're not going to take a suck it and see approach on billion dollar risks. >The blockade of Iran was announced only today, and Iran has been claiming control for over a month, as you yourself claim... By the way, does the fact that the US Navy will begin a blockade of Iran mean that they own Iranian ports? It means exactly what I said, a blockade. It lasts as long as they retain their presence in those waters. Meanwhile the Iranians have been living on those lands for thousands of years and will therefore be able to control the choke point indefinitely, unless ground troops are deployed.
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not_old_redditor 19 hr ago +12
Centcom? The guys in suits are out there clearing minefields?
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Conscious-Ad9076 20 hr ago +19
Wait, I was told America has all the oil and they don't need the strait open?
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IronyElSupremo 19 hr ago +23
The U.S. is insulated but oil trades on the global market especially as refineries need different blends. Already reported that some U.S. oil has been sold to Asia..
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Shotinthelight26 19 hr ago +13
The world needs the strait opened more than the US.
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jeffersonianMI 16 hr ago +3
Hopefully the U.S. corporations don't continue to sell to the highest bidders because then we'd be in the same boat as everyone else.  
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etlr3d 13 hr ago +3
hahaha - you very funny!
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Lovv 18 hr ago +6
The us and Israel created the problem
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cleanuponaisle4 16 hr ago +2
I received a different memo. Mine said the Strait of Hormuz would open back up “naturally.”
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PapaTahm 16 hr ago +4
U.S entire economic hegemony is built upon a system called Petrodollar. This system allowed U.S to basically print infinite money. The moment that collapse, U.S in less than a Year crumble on it's own debt, because if U.S attempts to Print Money, countries will just buy all the gold. That is why U.S has so much interest in the region.
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TastySpermDispenser7 21 hr ago +41
The strait is roughly 4 times the square mileage of the city of Los Angeles. An underwater drone is roughly the size of 2-8 people. There are effectively zero borders. So imagine driving around looking for 4 people in something that is 4x the size of Los Angeles. Cleared that street? Doesn't, matter, dudes can slip in right behind you from any direction, including above or below. Magats will fall for this. Insurers will not.
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Complex_Peak8204 21 hr ago +28
Go play subnautica to get an idea.
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AdFeeling842 21 hr ago +93
you’re acting like they’re just randomly wandering around hoping to bump into mines. they will use sonar mapping data and search around the usual shipping lanes.
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to_glory_we_steer 21 hr ago +13
Which works against some mines but struggles against others
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Joyous-Volume-67 20 hr ago -6
so, they'll struggle, there's plenty of time, and the united states has nothing better to do with it's resources, eventually they'll get em all
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Humble-Badger9567 20 hr ago +13
Right.. so how will you fill up your gas tank in the meantime? How will you get the fertilizer we need for crops? Helium for chip manufacturing? Just wait the theoretical years til its all done? How's your 401k looking in the mean tine? Your job? Your ability to feed your family?
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Complex_Peak8204 17 hr ago +8
Don't use logic it upsets them. Just paid 4.04 a gallon in my neck of the woods. It was under 3 end of last year.
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Ogow 20 hr ago -8
If we’re using submarine drones to find them, and Iran is a main supplier of drones to Russia, do you really think they can’t adapt and make their own submarine drones to attack ships? Or that they don’t already have their own prepped and ready to go? Mines were the c**** lasting solution. If we remove the mines, they’ll move to more aggressive strategies.
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DicentraDale 20 hr ago +5
Ukraine has definitely proven how effective underwater drones are. Iran very likely has many. Drones that loiter like mines are rumored to be part of that. It remains to be seen if they can overcome us countermeasures
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hagenissen999 5 hr ago +1
Current US countermeasures are M240's and M2's. They're going to struggle against USVs.
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AyiHutha 20 hr ago +30
Did you read the article. Drones don't go around blindly hitting random stuff to check if its a mine. Sonar and laser sweeps of the detect anomalies and then direct the drones to check if they are mines. That way mass areas are quickly covered. The drones aren't searching anything by sight/touch. >They were replaced by the USS Santa Barbara (LCS-32) and USS Canberra (LCS-30), which carried MCM packages that include MH-60S helicopters and an MCM unmanned service vehicle that tows the AQS-20 sonars, which can detect sea mines, and Unmanned Influence Sweep Systems, which neutralize sea mines by detonating them. >According to USNI, “From the embarked MH-60, the AN/AES-1 Airborne Laser Mine Detection System uses lasers to detect mines closer to the surface. Once detected, the helicopter can deploy the AN/ASQ-235 Airborne Mine Neutralization System that lowers a torpedo-sized tube that carries expendable destructor vehicles to neutralize a mine.” >Another system is the AN/WSQ-46 Barracuda Mine Neutralization System, which can detonate near-surface mines.
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givinstar1 20 hr ago +22
Read the article before making a silly claim? This is listnook. Why would you even ask?
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Ohdake 20 hr ago +5
Which sounds good but will take a lot of time. Keep in mind that mines are not exactly advertising themselves as mines for sonar and there are lots of other stuff in the bottom that will look like a mine. And unless Iran is dealing with the WWII era relics (contact mines) then there are not going to be mines near the surface. Also, modern influence mines are unlikely to be triggered by just one condition so I very much doubt clearing them in mass. So most likely every mine-looking (in sonar) had to be separately inspected... Meanwhile it is enough that Iran devices a way (say, a drone) to drop just a single mine to already cleared areas and traffic stops again.
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Secondhand-politics 19 hr ago +1
Something else to keep in min(e)d is that mines don't have to be huge or complicated to be destructive. Thanks to water compression physics, explosive detonations underwater are massively catastrophic even with more affordable materials and systems. We're spending countless millions per drone to find mines that probably cost thousands at most.
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TastySpermDispenser7 17 hr ago +1
Question: if you cleared everything single "mine" from the straight, today, what stops someone from using a drone on any tanker from anywhere along 100 miles of coastline 1 minute after you are done? This is really easy man. If 60 tankers go through the strait any single day this week, you are right and I am wrong. But if that does not happen, will you admit you are too dumb for this, or nah?
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Somhlth 16 hr ago +1
Iran has about 1000 miles of coastline on the gulf side.
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Rustic_gan123 17 hr ago
When Iran starts attacking ships during the ceasefire, the bombing will resume.
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TastySpermDispenser7 16 hr ago +4
You didn't answer my question. When the strait remains closed, despite your certainty that we can clear all the mines, are you going to accept you were wrong or just further slip into cognitive decline. We *could* do it, according to you, and we *choose* not to for... reasons.
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Rustic_gan123 16 hr ago
For Iran's words about closing the strait to be worth anything, it needs to back them up with threats of attack and actually carry them out, which would lead to a resumption of bombing. However, Iran will no longer be able to play the victim. This isn't difficult: as long as the ceasefire is in effect, Iran cannot attack ships. An attack would lead to the end of the ceasefire and the resumption of bombing by Israel, the US, and possibly other countries.
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TastySpermDispenser7 15 hr ago +4
In your mind, why are only 5 or so ships a day getting through the strait instead of 60+ back in February? I think its because iran wont allow ships through, with narrow exceptions for certain of its allies. I.e., today, April 12, 2026, iran *is currently* threatening ships. You seem to be under the impression that there are no such threats and that ships are not going through the strait for... reasons.
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Rustic_gan123 15 hr ago
Because the US is conducting a demining operation, CETCOM reported yesterday. >April 12, 2026, iran is currently threatening ships. Threats without implementation are empty, and if Iran decides to implement them, the war will resume.
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TheeDirtyToast 20 hr ago +14
Completely clueless about how it works, but you got your buzzwords in. Good job comrade.
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DicentraDale 21 hr ago +9
You underestimate the US' sonar abilities with AQS-24C
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TastySpermDispenser7 17 hr ago +3
Great, lets put money on it. What day this week will 60 tankers go through the strait, like what used to happen in February? Shall we bet 1k on it? Tell me which day.
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DicentraDale 17 hr ago +2
I won't take that bet. I'm guessing we're back in a shooting war by Tuesday. Maybe a drone or missile hits a us ship, maybe dementia donnie and Kegsbreath just get an itchy trigger finger
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TastySpermDispenser7 16 hr ago -3
So to be clear, you are certain the usa ships could 100% open the strait by clearing a the mines, we are just *choosing* not to. You... are wrong. We cannot successfully get thr strait *insurable.*
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UnoriginalStanger 15 hr ago +1
You're conflating demining with opening the strait.
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TastySpermDispenser7 15 hr ago +1
Describe to me the point of the first without the other. We spend 200 billion to demine a waterway that no one will use for what... environmental reasons? You are confusing strategy and tactics. Clearing 90% of mines is a tactical success and a strategic failure. This is the TSA, of navy operations.
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UnoriginalStanger 15 hr ago +1
The strait must be demined to be reopened regardless. It is itself a hinderance towards peace.
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TastySpermDispenser7 15 hr ago +1
Are you aware that if you take water out of a tub while someone is filling the tub, that you will never get a 100% dry tub? Only an insurable strait has value. The *belief* that there *could* be an attack on vessels is enough to keep ot closed. This is theater for magats. The strait never needs to be demined by America, for free.
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UnoriginalStanger 15 hr ago
Insurance is a risk assesment. The more Iran appears responsible for the continued shut down of the strait the more actors are gonna turn on them. Anyways you are still understanding the disagreement. You were wrong about how mine hunting works and are conflating a disagreement about that into something else.
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obvilious 15 hr ago
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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TastySpermDispenser7 15 hr ago +2
Then make the bet.
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crazy_akes 12 hr ago +1
Hear me out; Big net overhead Big net underwater
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Shot-Toe-2884 20 hr ago -2
It’s not about opening it up. It’s about shutting it down for Iran too since they insist on shutting it down for 99% of the world. It’s a critical part of their economy. Iran has invested billions in its Persian gulf infrastructure, it is now totally useless. People acting like the only economy that benefits from the strait is the United States, and we don’t even import any oil from that gulf lmao. We have an enormous surplus of domestic oil Iran is f****** itself and their Islamic neighbors. The world will move on without them. UAE and Saudis still have access to international waters. The Arab states will collaborate to circumvent the problem. Iran is now effectively landlocked and cut from the global economy. Their biggest and only industry is dead. All of this effort blowing up civilian ships and committing enormous international war crimes while the world watched was for nothing.
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0R4yman3 16 hr ago +3
Except Iran has other borders. The US isn’t the only one who benefits, but is the one who caused the problem with basically no justification and that’s why no one is cheering for them.
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TastySpermDispenser7 17 hr ago
This is the opposite of what the article says. If the goal is to eliminate trade through the strait, you do that by sinking some old ships and creating a literal barrier. Hunting for mines does not *block* the strait.
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obvilious 15 hr ago +1
Incredible lack of knowledge about mine clearing. Thank you for that, it was truly impressive.
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Phlowman 19 hr ago +4
I propose we super duper mine the strait so the mines run into each other blowing themselves up ultimately de mining the strait. Simple and done. /s
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I_R0M_I 18 hr ago +2
This is just common sense no? Obviously Trump has to remove the Iranian mines..... So he can put his own down and start charging his own toll.
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30yearCurse 18 hr ago +1
There was a good listnook article about Navy demining. Probably the best in the world, but these automated systems are or were problematic in real operations. Could not ID mines, had trouble disarming them. Some mines are rockets on the seafloor that have no way of being identified.
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Porkyrogue 7 hr ago +1
What do you mean rockets?
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Jman1a 16 hr ago +1
So there are mines?
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TiberiusKent 16 hr ago +1
How many have they found so far? …
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Psyched_investor 15 hr ago +1
Drones quietly train Palantir Maven
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TheFrickinThrowAway 13 hr ago +1
Ballers
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ButterscotchFar1629 7 hr ago +1
Same shit as shooting seven million dollar a piece interceptors at seventy thousand dollar drones. All for a war that has turned out to be stupid. They took out the Ayatollah (good f****** riddance) yet the Iranian people didn’t rise up and form a democracy
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mirtisee 21 hr ago -2
This made my day 😹
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shifkey 11 hr ago
So once again this is a multimillion dollar counter to a weapon that costs Iran $30k apiece. They cost almost exactly the same per unit as their drones that USA shoots down with expensive af missiles. Iran will bleed USA dry.
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Gullible-Coconut-783 9 hr ago +1
Sea mines cost much more than 30k and r&d is included in the overall price so each unit will be substantially cheaper in production. Continue with your bleeding dry broken record and be on the wrong side of history like the communists.
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Porkyrogue 7 hr ago
Yeah. Good job mine cleaners get them all!
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Ultra_Metal 21 hr ago -40
The Islamic Republic has no chance. It's fighting against a superpower. The US has the most advanced military tech in the world. The Islamic Republic's military is primitive in comparison. The regime is finished. The US will unblock the strait by force and then the Iranian people will resume their revolution and free themselves from tyranny. This time, the regime will be weak enough for them to handle with some air support, weapons and intelligence from the US and Israel.
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Itsprobablysarcasm 20 hr ago +13
> The Islamic Republic has no chance. It's fighting against a superpower. I seem to recall people saying the exact same thing about the North Koreans, the North Vietnamese, and the Taliban... How'd those go for the "superpower"?
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superseven27 20 hr ago +7
This is probably the kind of bullshit Trump has been told before this endeavor
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AMCorBUST2021 20 hr ago +9
I often wonder who pays these guys? Musk? US govt? Someone else? I guess the bot architecture of the net for sale to anyone
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AMCorBUST2021 20 hr ago +4
In Hamilton they would get together in bars and debate democracy.. but I feel like this is what we have now. Always nice to talk to a real person! Keep it up bro
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EuphoricMidnight3304 20 hr ago +6
And I will lose 50 lbs of fat next week while putting in 25 lbs of muscle and then will be running a marathon as well. Easy peeasy
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WeakBlueberry5071 9 hr ago -1
U-boats.... they're so Nazi.
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