China and US agree on opposing Hormuz tolls, State Department says

There’s a world where Iran charges US ships and not Chinese so yes I would say this matters China would never agree to any type of toll because it sets a dangerous precedent. Now if Iran is allowed to toll a natural waterway, what stops Djibouti and Yemen from doing the same to the Bab el Mandeb, Spain, UK and Morocco to the Strait of Gibraltar, Singapore and Indonesia to the Malacca and Singapore Straits and Indonesia to the other straits amongst its islands like the Sunda Strait? Ditto Denmark and Sweden to the Baltic Strait, Britain and France to the Strait of Dover and in future, Canada and the US to the North-West Passage?? Some of the above are even narrower than the Strait of Hormuz. And they also become selective like Iran, for example exempting the ships of allies while everyone else has to pay a toll. China knows that. Even If Singapore said it would not do it (now), normalize what Iran is doing and all of a sudden, 60% of Chinese trade is going through multiple tolls because the precedent has been set and normalize.

That world currently exists from what I gathered. Trump will never admit it on camera, because then he would be admitting he fucked up. I don't think he's even at the helm anymore TBH. They're going to just keep pumping him full of stims until they can't keep him upright.

What's wrong with the dream team of Witkoff, the first son in law and the couch f*****?

Notable absent from this statement: Russia, who seems to like that all the embargoes against Russian oil have been lifted while the strait is closed.

It's the same with Ukraine and the US. You think the Ukraine would just surrender if the US told them? How did the Trump peace deal work out that he promised. Iran and China are allies, Iran is not a client state.

I've been saying this since day 1 and getting downvoted to shit for it since Listnook is an anti-US echo chamber where only the worst possible outcome can ever happen. I'm not even a patriotic person, I just live in reality. There's a reason that the Strait of Hormuz has been declared and utilized as international waters for decades. It's not like Iran wouldn't have liked to consider it territorial waters and profit off of it for all that time. But a bunch of richer, stronger, better countries with richer, stronger, better allies said nah, because they all need to use it. Because that's how reality works. Iran will not be allowed to control Hormuz and charge money for its use on an ongoing basis. The only reason they're "getting away with" messing with it the past couple of months is because they're an active warzone and other countries don't want to get ensnared in Trump's shitshow tantrum. This was never going to be, and will never be, a permanent ongoing situation. Half the globe will absolutely shit on Iran, economically if not militarily, if they tried to pull this shit as a new status quo during peacetime.

That's not really how oil works. If a barrel goes for $100 on the global market, any barrel of oil going for $90 is going to be a good price. Even if China refuses to buy from Iran, some other country will buy from Iran at reduced prices, then just sell it to China, or use it themselves.

What incentive does China have to end this conflict? They can get oil over land, they have a huge oil reserve, and they have electricity as an alternative.

And if they decide not to charge their allies the fee then only their enemies have a problem, right?

I think you are giving too little power to the one which holds thy oils.

The Iran foreign minister met with China last week, and as of me writing this, Iran has yet to back down on tolling, but go off.

Exactly. Iran wouldn't be that fuckin' stupid to charge them.

You're wrong on both counts. The Islamic Republic says yes to a deal is that the Straits are open, sanctions are lifted against Iranian exports and all the nuclear issues are kicked into the long grass for the future to deal with. Of course, Israel will not agree to that deal.

Eh, I think you’re overestimating China’s appetite to help the Iranian regime. Yeah sure, china would love to give the US a black eye on the world stage, but they’d also be thrilled to get rid of the crazy islamists being able to hold the world economy hostage. Even if the US was able to install the most puppet of puppet regimes in Iran, they’d still do business with china not too much would be effected there.

Evidence, thank you. I'll accept a statement from Chinese state media, if you can link it.

Like this: We've failed miserably.

Because at this point it's clear that the only way the US could achieve anything militarily significant against Iran would be a ground invasion that the US does have the stomach for. It would be Afghanistan and Iraq on steroids. 

Because they said it would take 4-6 weeks max, and they declared victory like 5 days after it started. And the SOS just said that the operation was over a week ago. So it was gonna take 4-6 weeks, took 2.5 months and is now over apparently. So now ask yourself why can’t we say it failed it they literally said it’s over and would only take 4-6 weeks

I'll try that, thanks for the suggestion. How many more months past initial projections until it's no longer early days?

'early days' this short operation was supposed to be over like 4 times by now. but I do agree, its likely this is just the beginning of this quagmire

The war was over in a few hours if we go by what the presidential pedophile said.

> run to China for help, 🤣 lmfao

You've seen proof Iran asked China to pay toll?