Why would China care about the sanctions America decides on. It's not like America would respect China's sanctions.
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NatureTrailToHell3D5 days ago
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It’s not American sanctioning China, it sanctions businesses.
Plastics are made from oil, generally. The US imposes sanctions on a company saying it can’t sell its plastic products in the US if they are made from Iranian oil.
China is now sanctions companies that comply with that sanction. Basically putting the squeeze on those companies between the US and China, hoping the companies will simply stop selling to the US.
Edit: this is simplified. This can be done with the money, too.
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Kooolxxx5 days ago
+78
This U.S. sanctions are on five Chinese companies accused of participating in Iranian oil transactions.
China had issued a “prohibition order” stipulating that the sanctions “shall not be recognized, enforced, or complied with,” calling the order a move to “safeguard national sovereignty, security, and development interests.
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k4kobe5 days ago
+8
Correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Trump suspend the sanctions on Iranian oil after the war started? That’s frigging rich 😂
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sicklyslick5 days ago
+5
he did and also lifted sanctions on russian oil.
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koombot5 days ago
+30
Worth pointing out that back in the day the EU had a similar rule when America threatened to black list EU companies that did business with Iran.
This was pre-2009
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Striking-Still-17425 days ago
+17
You’re referring to the 1996 Blocking Statute. In practice, however, almost no EU companies actually abided by it. The only court case I can find is Bank Melli Iran v. Deutsche Telekom. In the end, no EU firm was ever penalized by the EU for violating the Blocking Statute.
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koombot5 days ago
+7
Probably not but working for a company that did business with Iran at the time, it sure didnt stop the US trade department from sending threatening letters threatening to black list us.
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dufutur5 days ago
+2
That one had no teeth, this one could be different, because it seems China is ready to retaliate with force, tariff war and export controls as Exhibit 1A and 1B.
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NorthernerWuwu5 days ago
+2
I mean, exactly what the EU did with American sanctions on countries that traded with Iran some years back. The EU passed a law stating that companies could not comply with US sanctions but in that case they largely still did. I doubt Chinese companies will.
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Rogaar4 days ago
+3
Yes I understand how the sanctions work. My point was America doesn't respect anyone else so why should others respect them.
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NatureTrailToHell3D4 days ago
+1
That makes sense, I thought it was more about whether the sanctions matter or not. Different interpretations of the word care in that sentence.
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Rogaar4 days ago
+2
All good my friend. That's what communication is all about. And I'm glad it didn't turn into the usual.
Stay safe in these crazy times. I think moving to a third world country seems pretty good right about now.
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loggywd5 days ago
+2
Why do they care about selling in the US? The are Chinese companies operating in China.
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Lower-Limit36955 days ago
+6
It comes down to the structure and operations of the businesses. Even if they don't sell to the us they may be dependent on foreign services and goods for their operations like pay processing, software, electronics, and equipment.
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Dragonfruit_61045 days ago
+73
The United States is actively pulling out all its tools to prove that all its tools have been rusted.
Now that China is not cooperating with the sanctions, what can the United States do next?These refineries have no connection to the United States. Next, you need to sanction China's state-owned banks? That is to open a skylight on the world's financial system.Wall Street alone is going to go berserk first.
Now the whole world knows that the original US sanctions are not insoluble. As long as I stay with China, I will not die.
Great, America!
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Wind_Best_14405 days ago
+87
Essentially, China is saying that any business that follows the sanctions on their oil firms will be sanctioned by them.
It's the first real step to the multi polar world, where China is telling others. "Either me or him." Its a another fracture of the world order.
It also means that sanctions on Iran will not work as they once did, since China's and Russia's banks actually listened. That's gone now.
It's actually a very real possibility that China moves navy ships to the Arabian Sea to break the blockade if this continues to escalate.
And USA is very much not in a good position right now.
1956 Suez crisis moment for the US.
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Smart_Resist6155 days ago
+54
Total self inflicted wound no less. There was a nuclear deal, the strait was open, gas was c****. All blown up for zero gain and huge loss in soft power at the cost of $25 billion (which isn't a huge amount compared to their military budget but paying it to embarrass themselves is next level stupidity). Their allies in the region aren't safe. What's next, Turkey putting a toll on the Dardanelles? The geopolitical dominoes that could fall from this starting with free navigation are huge.
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obliviousjd5 days ago
+61
>It's actually a very real possibility that China moves navy ships to the Arabian Sea to break the blockade if this continues to escalate.
Actually there is basically no possibility that this happens.
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Wind_Best_14405 days ago
+1
Maybe, hopefully not. I wish to stop living in interesting times.
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dm_me_cute_puppers4 days ago
+1
Yeah, you’re just pulling this out your ass. Them
moving ships there would have no impact on America’s ability to shoot merchant ships/blockade.
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Wind_Best_14405 days ago
+19
A war with China would be the greatest gift to America?
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SESHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH5 days ago
+18
You're both out of your depth and you're just as much of an armchair general lol. You genuinely believe America would fire on these boats in the event this happened?
Them firing on Chinese ships is about as likely as China sending the ships there.
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lnth15 days ago
-16
Then why doesn’t China send their ships if the likelihood of getting fired on by the US is so low like you said?
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SESHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH5 days ago
+6
Why would they need to? China hasn't had much difficulty getting tankers through the strait at virtually any point in this conflict from what I understand. Even if they did I believe they have the capacity to outlast all the beligerants involved as they are far less reliant on oil than most nations. Per capita China consumes about a fourth as many barrels as America.
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lnth15 days ago
-9
>China hasn't had much difficulty getting tankers through the strait
Basically unaffected by US sanctions and blockades right.
Then why do they have to play this anti-sanction game now?
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demmian5 days ago
+9
> There is nothing America would love more than for China to send its green water navy in the middle of Americas most built up theater and give America carte blanche to destroy their fleet. It would be the greatest gift to America.
Whatever tactical advantage US would have, China still is a nuclear power with ICBMs. What you wrote is insane. Nobody wants nuclear Armagedon.
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Lianzuoshou5 days ago
+1
The US Navy thinks they can take down the PLAN with those junk ships? They’ve got absolutely nothing to counter the Type 055’s YJ-20.
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TheNeonPeanut5 days ago
+1
Im not gonna get involved in the nationalist d*** waving, put PAC-3 would probably be quite effective since its designed around hypersonic ballistics.
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Lianzuoshou4 days ago
+1
PAC-3 does have some capability to intercept hypersonic missiles, with reported success rates ranging wildly from 5% to 95%.
However, [a professional assessment report ](https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2579&context=jss)shows that as of August 2025, Russia launched 152 Mach 4 "Kinzhal" missiles over a three-year period, with 57 intercepted—a success rate of only 37.5%.
>Hence, the interception probability P of Kh 47M2 Kinzhal missiles isapproximately 37.5 percent. The rate indicates that more than one-third of the launched missiles are successfully neutralized by Ukrainianair defenses, which include advanced radar tracking systems, high-performance interceptors such as the Patriot PAC-3, and intelligenceand early warning systems. Following the operational challenges facedby the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal missiles against advanced Western radar andinterceptor systems, Russia introduced the 3M22 Zircon to expand itshypersonic capabilities into the naval and coastal defense domains.
For the Mach 8-9 "Zircon" missiles, the success rate drops to just 28.5%, and that’s basically for single-shot interceptions
The YJ-20 travels at Mach 10. Each Type 055 destroyer can carry 40 of them, and China currently has 14 of these ships.
A volley from just 4 ships would mean 160 YJ-20s—more than the total number Russia launched throughout the entire war in Ukraine. I don't think any air defense system in the world can stop that.
China also has nearly 40 Type 052D destroyers that can carry the YJ-20 as well. Plus, the Strait of Hormuz is only 2,000 km from China; land-based anti-ship ballistic missiles can easily cover that range.
Another more critical point is that the U.S. Navy currently does not even have PAC-3 equipped on its ships.
In the end, I don't believe the two superpowers, China and the U.S., will go to war at this stage. When lions fight, it’s only the hyenas that stand to benefit.
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Lirael_Gold5 days ago
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The PLAN stopped being a green water navy about a decade ago fam.
I agree that it would be unlikely for them to risk ships in such a US dominated region, but it's not 2005 anymore. China operates multiple carriers, naval stealth aircraft and destroyers/cruisers that are every bit as dangerous as their US counterparts
They also have [a base](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Support_Base_in_Djibouti) nearby, although since it's literally next to a US base it would make for an *interesting* situation, if anyone started shooting.
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TheNeonPeanut5 days ago
+1
Camp Lemonnier is an Expeditionary base containing CJTF-HOA and JSOTF-TS, the PLAN base is a support and supply base outfitted to supply vessels. The PLAN would likely abandon the base in short order if combat kicked off. Liaoning and Shandong are operational, but are both STOBAR. The 3rd carrier, Fujian, is the only one that can launch 5th generation aircraft, amd that carrier is currently undergoing seatrials and is not operational in combat capabilities.
China isnt weak, but its in no position to challenge the US Navy and significantly better emplaced USAF and US Army in the Middle East.
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Capable_Kiwi25145 days ago
+1
Yeah, it's a zero percent that China would use the PLAN that way. Not built that way in terms of capabilities or purpose.
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acsmars5 days ago
+13
Good points until the Chinese navy thing. They literally do not have the capability to supply or operate naval ships that far away from their ports. Mostly because that’s not a capability they build for. The purpose of their navy is defense, regional power projection, and contesting a blockade near China. It’s likely very good at that, but fighting the strongest navy in the world thousands of miles from their naval bases? That’s just not a thing they designed it to do.
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Wuaner5 days ago
+5
You fight your way, and I'll fight mine. China is not foolish enough to confront the United States directly where it holds the advantage. After all, the United States has its own interests in Asia, especially East Asia.
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Striking-Still-17425 days ago
+5
No. Breaking through a maritime blockade does not mean directly going to war with the United States.
Dispatching warships for e***** duty is a routine international practice; the only difference lies in the scale of the formation. Moreover, China does not need to act alone. It can cooperate with friendly nations through joint patrols and military exercises. Overseas resupply is also not difficult. China can deploy its own supply ships to accompany the fleet, and given China’s sound relations with most Middle Eastern countries, port replenishment nearby is also feasible.
Even if the United States takes the initiative to attack China’s e***** fleet without legitimate grounds, all its military bases around China will be regarded as clear security threats. The value of one or two warships is nowhere near that of dozens of overseas military bases.
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bloodlessempress5 days ago
+1
Couldn't the chinese navy just send a token e***** ship or two? It's not to actually fight, just to deter US ships from firing to avoid risking an actual war between the USA and China.
Kind of like how the UK military had sent one token guy to Greenland recently iirc.
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Wyrmnax5 days ago
That raises the risk if confrontation,not lower it.
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bloodlessempress4 days ago
+1
So of course the US would wisely not fire on the hypothetical single Chinese e***** to avoid a confrontation with a nuclear armed country, correct?
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Wyrmnax4 days ago
+1
You know what makes sure the chinese ship doesnt get shot at? Not being there.
Its the first layer of the survivability onion even.
Being there makes it nore likely that it will get shot at than not being there. Hence, higher chance of that actually happening.
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PPTV-1103 days ago
+1
The Chinese army either won't show up at all, or it will come to the big tickets, the Korean War and the Vietnam War are like this
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Arrasor5 days ago
-7
If China want to break the blockage, they would just attack Taiwan. US would be forced go to Taiwan rescue since losing Taiwan would mean both the chips manufacturing capacity and rare earth materials needed to make US missles would be in China's hands.
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sicklyslick5 days ago
+1
China attacking Taiwan is such a western fanfic lol.
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SleepingToDreaming5 days ago
+25
While the world laughs at how recklessly arrogant 'MURICA has become, China is starting to come into their own, straightening their global tie on their "all business and no bullshit" suit and letting the biggest bully on the block know that they aren't as strong as they thought they were in resources.
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SUPERSAPE5 days ago
+43
Millions of Americans who can't make ends meet think they are the masters of the world just because they have put a group of supremacist idiots in charge who make fools of themselves day after day committing war crimes...
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Lopsided-Engine-74565 days ago
-38
Even more Chinese can't meet ends meet. Look up poverty rates in China. Gutter oil is still a thing.
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PADIRescueDiver5 days ago
+38
You can continue to believe in whatever helps you feel better about your shithole country.
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NoNature5185 days ago
-1
So…is he lying?
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Charming_Beyond36395 days ago
+12
You still have time to delete your embarrassing posts before more people see them
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Lopsided-Engine-74565 days ago
-47
Imagine being this idiotic. Go ask Tibet/India/Uyghurs/etc who the real bully is.
Free Tibet!
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Inculta6665 days ago
+41
We don’t need to go that far, we can ask Cuba, Mexico, Venezuela and Canada, - hint, the answer will start with U.
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