Because we all know how skilled the Russians are at easing tensions in a war.
How are they going to help? By sending more shahed drones to target refineries? Oh wait they already did. https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-drones-shahed-war-israel-ukraine-840b4f885d99714bdb7813c0d56213cf
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bigbabyskesus5 days ago
+14
*\*Chuckles\** **We're in Danger!**
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cogit25 days ago
+130
But not Ukranian tension. So they would rather try to score a win against the US than end the biggest war in Europe since World War 2.
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Darkone5395 days ago
+60
>end the biggest war in Europe
China isn't in Europe so they don't care.
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No-Cryptographer74944 days ago
+1
are they in the middle east?
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Darkone5394 days ago
+2
All their oil comes from there.
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cogit25 days ago
-13
Then why have they publicly spoken out about it before? Maybe the issue is more than just their location. Russia is basically dependent on China to remain economically solvent, meaning China has significant influence over Russia. They could be using this influence for peace. Russia has had over 1 million casualties in less than four years, one of the highest rates of casualties of any war. You'd think China would want to help its ally retain its strength.
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nvbtable5 days ago
+25
Would you prefer that the country that once threatened to nuke you was economically dependent on you or retained strength for independent power projection?
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Square_Bench_4895 days ago
+5
China also depends on Russia for its energy.
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carbon_ape5 days ago
+35
Ukraine doesn't impact China.
The Strait messes up imported fertilizer, food, oil, etc.
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cogit25 days ago
-8
Of course Ukraine impacts China. China's biggest ally, period, has eroded their military capabilities significantly. If China needs help in a conflict, Russia can't show up. The weakening of Russia is the weakening of China, almost directly.
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Even_Respond8815 days ago
+12
homie no, just no
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cogit25 days ago
-3
I'm not feeling your argument dawg. What can you put up to prove it's not relevant? They are literally allies. BRICS members. The two biggest military powers in the world after the US. Border each other, border North Korea. China has been providing financial and medical aid to Russia to assist with its war efforts.
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Even_Respond8815 days ago
+6
BRICS is an economic alliance. China hasn’t really been providing aid, they’ve been selling Russia whatever they need for their war and in return they get oil. At the same time China has also been selling to Ukraine and most of Ukraine’s weapon manufacturing relies on chinese parts while Russia’s is primarily supplied by american companies. If China really cared about Ukraine or Russia, they would put more of an effort into helping Russia more and cutting off trade to Ukraine completely which would completely cripple them. China only cares about China and they’re more than capable to defend themselves because the whole world is reliant on their manufacturing, just for that reason they will not be under threat for the foreseeable future. China being under threat or weakened by any external power would be a disaster for the whole world.
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cogit25 days ago
-1
>China hasn’t really been providing aid
Except they have:
[https://www.bbc.com/news/60571253](https://www.bbc.com/news/60571253)
>China has also been selling to Ukraine and most of Ukraine’s weapon manufacturing relies on chinese parts
Ukraine has been moving large parts of its drone economy away from China after China began providing assistance to Russia.
>China only cares about China
Tell that to Taiwan, the Philippines, Japan, and South Korea. China is expansionist and is bullying its way around the South China Sea.
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Even_Respond8814 days ago
+1
All of the countries you listed have extremely close ties to the US which is an existential threat to China which further proves my point.
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cogit24 days ago
If you think the point this proves is "China only cares about China", it's flat out wrong.
China cares about its expansionist agenda. That is the accurate statement. And that is why it is up against this list of countries, and more.
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itskelena5 days ago
+2
Weaker russia -> bigger discounts for china. China likes russia being so dependent on them, because they can buy it pennies on the dollar.
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cogit25 days ago
+1
You make a good point. The problem, of course, is if Russia ever begins to believe this, it will blow up badly in China's face. This is, quite literally, brinkmanship. Difficult to believe China treats countries with neighboring territory with policies quite that extreme and difficult to achieve. After all - they aren't weakening North Korea, and they are attempting to buy favour and influence elections all over the region and beyond. They clearly want allies, as many as they can get. That makes me think it's unlikely that Russia weakening is good for China.
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Captser5 days ago
+35
China is making money in Ukraine, providing drone parts to both Russia and Ukraine. Why would they want to ease tensions there when the conflict does not affect global or even regional economy?
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TheBigCore5 days ago
+16
China plays all sides which means they will win regardless of the side that wins. That's what they've done for thousands of years.
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evilparagon5 days ago
+6
That’s more of a British strategy historically speaking. China isn’t used to being involved in wars that don’t involve itself as a combatant or battleground.
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hackenclaw5 days ago
Merchant nation do merchant thing....~~Khajiit~~ China will do anything as long got coin.
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CajunKush5 days ago
-6
They’ve also sent officers and paratroopers to get modern combat experience
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Tinelytolmit5 days ago
+14
They haven't sent paratroopers
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Skythewood5 days ago
+6
They said the exact same thing about Ukraine.
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Jubjars5 days ago
+3
I mean. That was the moment it went from a cold war between powers to a hot war between powers.
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EasterZombie5 days ago
+15
They hope Russia will help/ ignore a Taiwan invasion if they help/ignore with Ukraine. Also if Russia invades another UN nation successfully it does sort of open up the idea that this is a normal thing so there’s less backlash when China does it. Ukraine is the Taiwan of Russia in a lot of ways, and China sees that.
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Full-Sound-62695 days ago
+19
After seeing how well that Ukraine invasion went I expect other countries to lower their war appetite.
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AtrociousMeandering5 days ago
+15
China could have potentially peacefully annexed Taiwan by now if they'd left the 'One Country, Two Systems' policy in Hong Kong intact and otherwise left room for the Taiwanese to continue business as usual inside a unified China. Similar for Russia and Ukraine- a puppet regime in Kiev was possible right up until they seized Crimea.
There's a dictator's blind spot that keeps showing up where are convinced they don't have to play nice simply because they've got a military to use if their demands are rejected.
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EasterZombie5 days ago
+2
Yeah I’m not saying it’s a good plan. But it may have led to China thinking basically “oh shit we need to step this up” and they may be planning some kind of blockade instead similar to what we are doing to Cuba only way worse. For that to work though China needs a weak USA. This whole Ukraine Russia situation is working in Chinas favor because it’s tearing the bonds between Europe and the USA apart and resulting in a domestic military economy in Europe which removes funding from American military companies, among other things that work in Chinas favor compared to the USAs favor.
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subject1335 days ago
+3
China tried, but apparently no one actually want negotiation so they give up.
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RamaMitAlpenmilch5 days ago
+6
Why should they? They live in Asia.
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cogit25 days ago
-3
Think on it some more. There are valid reasons.
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Foreign-Chocolate865 days ago
+4
China has the same problem as Russia though, surrounded by US bases.
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ptapobane5 days ago
+2
US Israel bombed near Bushehr nuclear powerplant 4 times aalready, if they hit the plant the whole gulf is going to be covered in radioactive debris f****** up the entire middle east region
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DisasterNo17404 days ago
+1
China directly benefits from Russia becoming a junior partner to China and Europe being focused on Russia. Why would they choose to instead get a meaningless brownie points “mediated end of a big war in Europe”?
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cogit24 days ago
+1
>Why would they choose to instead get a meaningless brownie points “mediated end of a big war in Europe”?
Well first because it's as far from meaningless as it gets, to be seen as a stable nation and a peacemaker. Second: that is literally China's foreign policy for 2+ decades now. They encouraged peace in Ukraine, they encouraged peace in the Middle East - and they take this stable, level-headed approach to international relations and show it to countries they are trying to win over from the US.
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DisasterNo17404 days ago
+1
China is already seen as a stable nation. Mediating in that war to end it against their own interests is meaningless to China. The U.S. is doing plenty itself to show the rest of the world that China is stable to deal with.
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cogit24 days ago
>China is already seen as a stable nation.
No, China is seen as a few different things, and not all of them good. Bullying the Philippines, threatening Taiwan, the Uyghur situation, the Nepal situation. The footage of Chinese ships colliding when they were trying to harass Philippines coast guard ships made international headlines. The Uyghur situation, the threats against Taiwan - international news. China is not seen as a stable nation, it's seen as mixed at best. This is why it keeps trying to score PR wins so it can cover its other actions.
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DisasterNo17404 days ago
+1
Let me ask you this; what is China currently not getting in terms of relations with other nations that it would otherwise get if it mediated a peace in Ukraine? And then whatever it is that they get, it has to be better than Russia being a junior partner ever more reliant on them, the Europeans using resources and attention in that war (diverting Europes own ability to confront China over any adventures they may go on in Taiwan) and a war which consistently today is part of what is causing an American and European rupture of relations?
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cogit24 days ago
>what is China currently not getting in terms of relations with other nations that it would otherwise get if it mediated a peace in Ukraine?
I can't answer this question for you. The truth is the answer to this question is self-evident as long as you have observed the foreign relations of China and the US in modern history. I would invite you to seek the answer to this question directly if you are interested in foreign relations of these countries.
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DisasterNo17404 days ago
+1
Well I’m saying that frankly China does not need to be a mediator to stop that war against their own interests.
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cogit24 days ago
Need to? They don't need to. Want to? Would benefit politically from it? Absolutely.
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Somhlth5 days ago
+39
> Wang said the fundamental way to resolve navigation issues in the Strait of Hormuz is to achieve a ceasefire as soon as possible, adding that China has always advocated political settlement of hotspot issues through dialogue and negotiation.
I'll believe that when China advocates for Russia to get the f*** out of Ukraine.
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Tinelytolmit5 days ago
+8
[China supports all efforts for Ukraine peace deal, says it welcomes US-Russia dialogue](https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/china-supports-all-efforts-for-ukraine-peace-deal-says-it-welcomes-us-russia-dialogue/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjU6bmV3c21sX1ZBNzkwMDE4MDgyMDI1UlAx)
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Somhlth5 days ago
+7
A US-Russia dialogue? So Trump and his boss need to talk for peace to happen in Ukraine? Ha,ha,ha.
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macross19845 days ago
+4
China to Russia: You can pay the bill later. :P
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SPQR-Tightanus5 days ago
+6
Why would Russia want to ease Middle East tension? What do they win from it?
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Difficult_Mousse79765 days ago
+12
Because it’s all lies and performative signaling. Both China and Russia benefit from the war in Iran and will do nothing to ease it.
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Free-Way-92205 days ago
+2
It's Putin wearing his saints robe and parading it around. His war is of course a purely defensive one that Ukraine started, according the Russians, tankies and even Donald Trump himself
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ConcentrateDeepTrans5 days ago
+6
What exactly is their plan?
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LeftLane4PassingOnly5 days ago
+10
If we've learned anything from Putin's invasion of Ukraine and Trump's war with Iran is that planning is not their strong point. That leaves China as the unknown and that's a long shot regarding the middle east as well.
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AK_Panda5 days ago
+6
Russias plans significantly outstripped their ability to perform. Too much corruption, not enough competence. So now they are stuck in a quagmire.
The US has the opposite problem. Very high ability to perform, but a government preventing them from doing appropriate planning.
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+12
I remind people that China is keeping the same policy in both Ucraine and Iran. It does not approve the war, but in both cases it keeps trade opens with all sides.
The countries that are using two different standards in the two wars are the European countries: when the aggressor is USA, as it happened in Iraq and is happening now in Iran, they either do nothing or help the aggressor. When the aggressor is their enemy, they become indignant and pretend to care about international law
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+4
Moreover, in this case China position is shared by France (that also vetoed the resolution that authorized the use of force to open the straight)
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Capable_Kiwi25145 days ago
-6
Well no, they're all acting differently depending on their geopolitical interests and capacities.
For example, China supplies arms to paramilitary groups in Myanmar because it sees it as beneficial to do so, whereas it does not involve itself with non-state actors in Iran. Myanmar is far more of a domestic issue for China, hence the difference in interests.
The EU has no real fiscal capacity to sanction the US right now, and also has a different set of interests vis-a-vis Iran, as Ukraine is a major EU border state and Russia's attack poses a more existential threat. (Let's ignore that the EU has actually butted heads with the US over Iran, further throwing your point into disarray.)
Ethics do not exist absent context, as your position presupposes. The cost of a response (each nation's interest in the conflict) is relevant. It colours both China and EU policy. Neither is "ideologically pure".
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+3
"butted heads" meaning "did not send troops (navy)"; by that criterion, China is butting heads with Russia.
Anyway, we are saying the same things: Europe is dealing in very different ways with the aggressor in Iran and Ucraine and Iraq, China is not: because in one case they like the aggressor, in the other case they don't.
And I don't remember EU sending weapons to Iran or Iraq to help it defend itself (which of course would be bad: sending weapons to fuel a war... Which is exactly what EU is doing in Ucraine).
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Broad-Lobster74705 days ago
+2
Uhhh like ease it in a good way. Or ease it in a bad way?
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Silver_Middle_72405 days ago
+1
They're going to back Iran openly.
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MacaronMost5 days ago
+2
Yeah with very sternly worded threats. In other words, nothing.
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Silver_Middle_72405 days ago
-3
Nah. With the same drones and missles they're already suppling to Iran and Russia
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MacaronMost5 days ago
Anyone with a brain and even a tiny amount of knowledge in geopolitical matters has already known they have been doing this years 🥱
So like I said, nothing.
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giboauja5 days ago
+1
Anyone going to involve the US or Iran in these?
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Juckli5 days ago
+1
China wants to protect 12% of it's oil coming from Iran. That's why they care about Iran and not about Ukraine. Oh, and they want to weaken the Western alliance in Ukraine by supplying Russia with components.
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Lonely_Ad17165 days ago
+1
Oh ill bet they are..
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Emergency_Pop37084 days ago
+1
Iran is China’s ally , Russian is China’a ally. That is why China doesn’t want the US to end Iran’s evil regime but China is happy to see Russian annihilate Ukraine. You guys hate Trump so much that couldn’t believe that China is always on Iran and Russia’s side. China doesn’t want to see the US win the war against Iran
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DaySecure76425 days ago
-2
What about Ukraine? So China is ok with annexation? So what the imperial Japan did in WW2 is actually ok for China, but not what modern Iran did now? Strange logic
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+10
"China has always advocated political settlement of hotspot issues through dialogue and negotiation.": it's the same position they expressed for the Ucraine war. Notice that neither EU nor China are putting sanctions on US and Israel for their illegal war.
So the hypocrite is not China (that keeps the same policy in Ucraine and in Iran as is not sanctioning either Russia or USA or Israel) but EU (that according to who is the aggressor has different policy)
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Mission_Scale_8605 days ago
-13
All wars are illegal.
China should help the world by sanctioning both Russia and Iran.
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+19
You mean sanction Russia and USA and Israel, right? Or you mean "all wars are illegal, except when I like the aggressor"?
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Mission_Scale_8605 days ago
-11
No, sanction Russia and Iran. No, all wars are illegal which kind of makes it a moot point.
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+14
So why are you sanctioning the country that was attacked instead of the aggressors?
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SunriseSurprise5 days ago
+12
Loads of Listnookors today left their brains in bed.
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Mission_Scale_8605 days ago
-9
Iran has been the aggressor since 1979 and sanctioned rightly so. The time of the IRGc and mullahs is over
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SunriseSurprise5 days ago
+4
>What about Ukraine? **So China is ok with annexation?**
I'm going to let you think long and hard about this one before saying this. What do you think?
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Jubjars5 days ago
-6
For their aims in Taiwan. Nazi flavored imperialism needs to be normalized again as a means of solving problems.
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HarEr895 days ago
-1
Nice joke!
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Sleepergiant25865 days ago
-6
The way it works is Asia has like 70% of population and same proportion on Listnook as well so basically anything with China, Russia gets more upvotes as if these countries are less contributing to issues.
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LetterNo78295 days ago
+3
Europe is not with USA in this war either.
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copperblood5 days ago
-3
China gets at a minimum 8% of their total energy from sanctioned Iranian oil in the form of shadow fleets. China ain’t committing shit to forcefully opening up the strait. Sanctioned Iranian oil to China has not slowed down since the US and Israel started this illegal war with Iran. If sanctioned Iranian oil to China stopped you’d literally have the worst starvation history happening with well over 100 million people starving to death.
Conceptually this is also related to why China can’t close their wet markets. Everyone with more than 2 working brain cells knows that wet markets are a hot bed for pandemics and in theory should be shut down. However, in practice China needs to feed its population so wet markets stay open. If China shut down wet markets you’d also get massive starvation.
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+8
China not only is not committing to "forcefully" opening the strait, it actively and publicly opposes such idea
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Guilty-Top-75 days ago
+1
In Hong Kong they’re paying 15 dollars USD equivalent a gallon. That’s insane.
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Playful_Alela5 days ago
+3
To be honest tho, the price soaring on the 92% of their oil that is not from Iran will eventually start to impact China as well. China probably realizes that the damage to the West is disproportionate rn, but they will need the strait opened at some point
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copperblood5 days ago
-3
Iran and China are not going to mess up their relationship. At all. The UN is largely toothless and has been gutted by bureaucracy. China saying they might do something in the context of the UN is posturing and nothing more.
To put that 8% of China’s total energy into context, China imports approximately 1.8 million of barrels of sanctioned oil from Iran daily.
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Playful_Alela5 days ago
-1
That's not my point. And your premise is wrong. You're assuming that Iran survives this war which is not a given at this point despite the US objectively performing terribly in it so far. China can only handle so much of an inflation of oil prices, but they really cannot handle a substantial slowdown in Western markets. China has only become more and more of an exporter in recent times because they are fundamentally producing too many goods relative to their domestic consumption.
If their main export markets (the US, EU, UK, Canada, etc.) all have a giant economic slowdown, China will feel the economic pain from that (which the pandemic/Ukraine inflation caused Chinese growth to plateau). Their relationship with Iran is important, but an Iran that's on their verge of economic collapse when this war ends is not really a strong partner. All I'm saying is that there is a point where the cost of keeping the strait closed will become higher for China than opening it. This calculation is fundamentally different for like Russia per say, who (mostly through self inflicted global isolation) are more insulated from the effects of closing the strait
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copperblood5 days ago
Hahahaha Iran survives this war? My dear, Iran has a population of 90 million people and is the size of Alaska. It is surrounded by extremely tall mountains which makes any sort of sustained ground assault extremely hard to do.
Further, the US doesn’t have a lot of international support with this war. More and more countries in the EU are refusing to let the US even use their airspace, and it’s complete political suicide for any politician in Europe to try to rally support for the US with this. Also, Iran as of 2 days ago is allowing European oil tankers to safely transit the strait of Hormuz.
What Iran is doing right now is literally rewriting the playbook in asymmetrical warfare. And it’s going to get a whole lot worse very soon because oil is the fundamental root of the global supply chain. Which means that everything is about to get a lot more expensive. Amazon as of 3 days ago increased the price on everything.
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Playful_Alela5 days ago
+1
I clearly meant the Iranian government not all 90 million people in Iran. Idk if you just started following Iran when this war began, but the protests back in January were largely started by Iran's collapsing economy. Iran could very well win the war and still economically collapse before the year is over. I never once said anything about a ground invasion, EU Support or contradicted that this has been political suicide for the US, but you are viewing this through a highly US-centric world view.
>What Iran is doing right now is literally rewriting the playbook in asymmetrical warfare.
I mean the drones have been used since pre-Ukraine, Ukraine has already done the oil infrastructure strikes Iran has done against the larger region, it's just that Iran is attacking countries that didn't attack it now. Calling it a rewriting of the asymmetrical warfare playbook is just glazing Iran lol
>And it’s going to get a whole lot worse very soon because oil is the fundamental root of the global supply chain.
10,000 IQ take🤯🤯🤯, no one else would have known this was coming if you didn't point this out. Excellent analysis. You realize this affects Iran as well right? Like all of Iran's imports will also cost more at a time when their economy was already collapsing pre-war. Idk why it's so hard to understand that Iran can win the war, but still have economic issues that are a greater threat to regime survival than the US and Israel. Pezeshkian has been screaming at the IRGC to take a negotiated settlement while they still have leverage because they need external monetary aid for the government to not collapse
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Tomas28915 days ago
+2
LOLs yes they only get 8% of oil from Iran but near 50% of their entire oil imports needs to come through the strait of Hormuz. Enjoy paying 15 dollar gas in Hong Kong.
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