The 5th amendment guarantees due process. The Supreme Court has upheld in nine different decisions that this applies to non citizens in the US.
This is a lawless administration.
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AudibleNod2 days ago
+283
And now a Supreme Court of a second country affirmed that.
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pnutbrutal2 days ago
+68
And it’ll be the taxpayers paying these people their damages money when they win their legal battles. So we get to pay for this administration doing this twice — once for ice and the concentration camp, flights etc, then again cuz they sued our gov’s ass. And rightly so!
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Mr_ToDo2 days ago
+19
This one seems like it's a bit more nuanced then that
They weren't detained in the US. So the question there is if they should have, or were entitled to face a judge before being kicked out(or questions about where they were going and why of course)
This one seems really weird. So they were convicted criminals in the US, but they had served their time. When they were taken in by Eswatini it looks like they were thrown in jail. The article doesn't seem to say *why* they were. It also says the reason they weren't allowed to see a lawyer was because they hadn't been arrested or charged with anything. You'd think that might trigger the question of why they were in prison, but I guess not
If the US was at all sane, this would be a reason not to send anymore people there but, well, the US isn't really all that sane these days
Oh, and unless I missed it the article doesn't say if they had their day in court before being deported. I'd lean heavily on that they didn't, but who knows
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PurpleSailor2 days ago
+5
It's the *"Just do it now and try to justify it later somehow"* administration.
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heytheremoustache1 day ago
+5
Or "Do it now, the court proceedings will still be going on long after the administration is out of office."
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showhorrorshow2 days ago
+434
The headline makes the situation sound much better than what it is. So we are deporting people, without any convictions, to maximum security foreign prisons where they are being explicitly denied rights because they havent been charged with crimes in THAT country either. Imprisoned for nearly a year so far while our government obstructs attempts to afford them their basic human rights.
I mean, this is just criminal. Flat out criminal.
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+89
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amateur_mistake2 days ago
+23
It's also the thing that all of the republicans agree they voted for. They will tear each other apart on other things. They will fight over the war in Iran or whether women should have rights. They will be upset over the terrible economics they voted for and whether billionaires should be glorified or eaten.
But they are *all* on board for the camps and deportations. At least as long as it never touches them personally.
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verminlyfe2 days ago
-4
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetency. Just as your average Joe can be sucked into a cult with enough manipulation, so can he be sucked into fascism.
It's far more horrifying than just saying they're all doing bad things because they're just all bad people. You have the cult leaders on top convincing the followers that their lives are worse and it can be blamed on these specific people. When someone's life is going downhill (as most people's are in the 2020s) and you give them a convenient answer, decent people get desperate. Decent albeit dumb people make up so much of the world that it makes sense history keeps repeating in this way.
There are horrible people behind this and their views are like a pathogen in these downward times.
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Masark2 days ago
+9
Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice and everyone has better things to do with their time than attempting to distinguish between them.
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reddit_ending_soon2 days ago
+2
There needs to be a stronger word for inhumane. Like this is like 5 different levels of evil all rolled into one. Like Nazism comes close, but just doesnt have the same effect anymore. Baby fuckerism?
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BrofessorFarnsworth2 days ago
"I was just following orders" won't protect them. The future trials of this administration's members won't be gentle.
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AudibleNod2 days ago
+134
>A lower court had previously ruled that local lawyer Sibusiso Nhlabatsi, who is working on behalf of the men's U.S.-based lawyers, could meet with them, but the Eswatini government immediately appealed that decision.
>In a ruling delivered on Thursday, the Supreme Court dismissed arguments by Eswatini authorities that the deportees didn't want to meet with Nhlabatsi, and that they had no right to legal counsel anyway because they had not been arrested or charged with a crime in Eswatini.
So, this is how it's going to play out. The Trump/Epstein administration will stop sending deportees to Eswatini. But not before they denounce anything and everything those deportees get to say to they lawyer. Then they'll do some backroom deals with the other countries that have agreed to the same human trafficking catastrophe Eswatini agreed to. In the meantime the deportees are going to fight against the DOJ in order to get their story out. All the while tens of thousands of criminal cases the federal government was working on was stopped.
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TheModWhoShaggedMe2 days ago
+53
Conservatives --- violating human rights since human civilization began.
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Ok_Mathematician9382 days ago
+27
In an effort to consolidate information here - what were the crimes originally committed by these men that they apparently already did time for?
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fiendishrabbit2 days ago
+50
Only guy who I could track down information on was the Jamaican, who was released after 2 months and repatriated to Jamaica.
>!62-years-old. Convicted for murder in the late 90s in Brooklyn (fatal shooting, served 25 years in the US + Parole).!<
Trump government however sent him to a concentration camp in Eswatini, denying him legal representation in the US, lied about the position of the Jamaican government (Jamaica was not OK with him being sent to Eswatini), tried to impose an extrajudicial punishment after a sentence served and violated US deportation process (it's strictly illegal to deport someone from the US to a third country where they'll suffer harm. Which includes being deprived of liberty without trial).
It's kind of ironic (but not) that a section of the federal government would be (should be) liable under the federal 18 U.S.C. § 1201 kidnapping laws.
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Ok_Mathematician9382 days ago
+6
Yeah, everything about this is wrong on so many different levels.
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TheModWhoShaggedMe2 days ago
+34
Not being Republican voters.
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bye4now282 days ago
+12
or having enough 💰💰💰💰 to 'gift'(aka bribe) the orange pedophile destroying our planet 🤬
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wojtekpolska1 day ago
"five deportees \[...\] have been convicted of crimes ranging from child r*** to murder" Source: [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyze8mvzdgo)
But yeah I guess it doesn't fit your agenda so you're gonna make up a false narrative.
If you believe they shouldn't've been deported, okay that's a position you can hold, i personally don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, but if your argument is right, then why are you making up lies to have it sound better?
if you have good arguments for your point of view, they should be able to stand together with the truth, not in spite of it.
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TheModWhoShaggedMe1 day ago
Don't let the joke hit you on the way out the door, princess.
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wojtekpolska1 day ago
"I was just joking bro I'm not a bigot"
moron.
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TheModWhoShaggedMe1 day ago
Yeah, that was such an obviously serious statement, you're definitely the brilliant one.
*Believe it or not, people can disagree with fascist, hateful Republican actions in this world. Online, too.*
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wojtekpolska1 day ago
You know full well your intention was to trivialise this problem and mislead people. now you try to claim the high horse.
You're nothing but a liar playing the same political games everyone hates. f*** off.
your comment did nothing but attempt to whitewash a convicted child rapist
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wojtekpolska1 day ago
+2
What are you talking about? I don't support trump or anyone like that.
In fact **you** outright support a **convicted pedophile** who raped a kid and got sent to prison for 20 years, and then was deported.
and you call this "aimless accusations" ??? because i am against you saying that no, the convicted pedophile did not get deported for no reason? *you're litterally protecting a pedophile in this very conversation!*
and your only argument against me "hey you probably support trump!" guess what, no i dont, send him to eswatini prison too for all i care.
So, "Sure thing, crimminal pedophile protector u/TheModWhoShaggedMe"
EDIT: ...and they blocked me. Of course, Fricking pedo-supporter.
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taz_782 days ago
+25
Brown skin, didn't speak fluent muppet.
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Foe1172 days ago
+13
The Supreme Court in the African kingdom of Eswatini has ruled that four men sent there by the United States last July under the Trump administration's third-country deportation program can finally meet with a lawyer after they were denied in-person legal counsel for nine months while held at a maximum-security prison.
A lower court had previously ruled that local lawyer Sibusiso Nhlabatsi, who is working on behalf of the men's U.S.-based lawyers, could meet with them, but the Eswatini government immediately appealed that decision.
In a ruling delivered on Thursday, the Supreme Court dismissed arguments by Eswatini authorities that the deportees didn't want to meet with Nhlabatsi, and that they had no right to legal counsel anyway because they had not been arrested or charged with a crime in Eswatini.
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ClintBruno2 days ago
+11
Conservatives, what don't you like about the Constitution, due process?
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Masark2 days ago
+3
The part where it applies to people who aren't them.
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TheDylorean1 day ago
+3
"Rights for me but not for thee."
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ShyLeoGing2 days ago
+2
Yeah this whole 3rd country deportations is ridiculous and there are moat certainly people we sent there and have no record of doing so. But here's some fun information about Eswatini.
ESWATINI/SWAZILAND:
Ruled by King Mswati III, Eswatini is an absolute monarchy where protests are violently repressed. Human rights lawyer Thulani Maseko was assassinated in 2023 with no justice delivered (HRW on Eswatini).
The U.S. State Department cites prison overcrowding, poor ventilation, and lack of nutrition and health services (BBC report archive).
Prison statistics:
- Human Development Index: 0.61 (142 of 193)
- Homicide rate: 12.66 per 100,000
- Total incarcerated: 3,405
- Incarceration rate: 243 per 100,000
- Prison density: 120 percent
- Facilities: 12
- No National Preventive Mechanism established
For those unaware of the counties in Africa, South Sudan is by far the worst. Their Human Development Index: 0.381 (192 of 193)
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pooburry2 days ago
+2
I did not know these third country deportations were being held in jail in the third country. I guess I was just naive, but I didn’t think it could be ratcheted up to that level of evil.
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Webecomemonsters2 days ago
+2
Yeah, we pay them hundreds of millions of dollars to hold them too.
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thebarkbarkwoof4 hr ago
+1
People who believe in heaven and help vote for this. How do they think they would be judged? Is it all just performative? Do they convince themselves the blood I'd not on their hands? I truly don't understand.
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