It’s almost like they do not want a ceasefire here.
When all this is over the irony is that it would be the US global reputation which has changed. I guess that’s what they wanted when the elected Trump twice.
I’m so done with all this though, everyone can rant on for days about it. But I just wish people were more aware of how there actions affect people.
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virtual_adam4 days ago
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I’m not sure how many of these you’ve followed the the rockets shoot both ways until the very last second. Usually the side that is not Israel also shoots 5 minutes after
That’s why you start with a temporary ceasefire, to be able to talk permanent ceasefire without missiles flying
>The ceasefire nearly collapsed shortly after it began. Between 4:45 a.m. and 7:10 a.m. Tel Aviv time, Iranian air defenses responded to continued Israeli strikes in Tehran, and Iran fired three additional salvos of ballistic missiles at Beersheba.[13][14][15][16][17][18] Israeli officials accused Iran of having fired the last of these missiles at 7:06 a.m., after the ceasefire was supposed to have started.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-Day_War_ceasefire
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Magjee4 days ago
+4
Buddy, they targeted a petrochemical plans to escalate the war
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virtual_adam4 days ago
-1
The heaviest attacks will happen in the minutes before a ceasefire starts. That’s why ceasefires are set hours, sometimes days ahead of time
The ceasefires intentionally don’t include things like “you must stop killing our people 2 hours before it starts”
It’s considered the last opportunity for any war goals
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Magjee4 days ago
+1
...but no ceasefire was about to start
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virtual_adam4 days ago
Which means the worst is yet to come
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Semajal4 days ago
+42
Wellll shit I guess this will now mean all bets are off and Iran will certainly feel justified in attacking any nearby energy facilities.
Feels like Israel just making sure they can keep pushing escalation at this point so they can "justify" endless bombing of Iran.
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Ultra_Metal4 days ago
Iran has already been doing that.
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Semajal4 days ago
+14
Yeah they retaliated after Israel did it the first time, not sure if they had aimed much before that, but this obvs will represent another escalation. with the US and Israel getting more and more "we will blow up everything" any Iranian retaliation will be bigger, or they will aim drones at more sensitive spaces since they are in a war of survival against a vastly more powerful enemy.
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Ultra_Metal4 days ago
-9
This war was started by the Islamic Republic on Oct. 7. The Islamic Republic and its proxies are the aggressors.
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mesopotato4 days ago
+8
I'm not an Iran-supporter whatsoever, but pretending this war started on 10/7 is really f****** stupid.
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zlex4 days ago
-4
I’m confused hasn’t Iran already been doing that?
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Playful_Rip_12804 days ago
-3
They’ve been doing that regardless. Iran is trying to hide behind tit for tat retaliation but in reality they know that US/Israel can escalate way harder and the rational thing for them to do is surrender and agree to all points for a ceasefire. It’s sad that this regime doesn’t care about their people.
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Semajal4 days ago
+6
I mean... Trump tore up the last deal... they got attacked twice during negotiations... What is to say Trump or Bibi would remotely stick to any agreed deal?
And it doesn't help that any offer to them is basically hugely one sided.
It's almost like those who started this war didn't remotely think about how people may react... I mean yes, would be great if you could bomb regime change in, but they would have done better by having a capable negotiate work on something while having the big stick threat.
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Playful_Rip_12804 days ago
-1
Of course it’s one sided. When was the last time the US had so much leverage over Iran? They’re bombing at will and Iran has already played its biggest card of trying to shut down the Strait. If Trump follows through with energy infrastructure attacks, the economic damage will be absolutely crippling to Iran. They have every logical reason to give in to all demands, but they haven’t yet because their regime is more interested in terrorism and preserving their fanatical ideology. Sure, the US and world economy will hurt from their retaliation, but the US can set them back economically by decades while the US will recover from economic disruption much quicker. And if Iran goes to absolute shit, then even if the regime holds power they will be severely limited in their ability to do damage given they will have to expend a ton of effort trying to rebuild a dead economy.
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Semajal4 days ago
+3
You are aware Iran is a country of 90 million people? Because I think a lot of people have no actual clue how large the country is, and how many live there.
And this idea that "the US demonstrating it's general insanity, starting large scale wars without any plan, going into said war with claims that are refuted by their own intel" i mean the reality is "the US can't be trusted ever" and that will not change. Beyond that, added risk of terror attacks now. But there is no real off ramp. Starting a large conflict where the only "way out" is complete surrender by the country you attack is not a recipe for anything stable or good to happen for a long time.
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jamie99104 days ago
-59
Expensive day for Iran.
Somehow leftists on listnook think Iran is going to rebuild its economy with tolls and outside investment. Who would want to invest in a religious dictatorship that is the sworn enemy of the world's only superpower?
As for tolls, the US could easily counter that by announcing a reciprocal cost on Iran's infrastructure. Each ship that pays a toll to Iran will result in X amount of damage to Iran's infrastructure. The US could also choose to close the strait to Iran's ships, which it has not done yet.
Iran is cooked.
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deadflow3r4 days ago
+16
I remember people making these exact same types of arguments during the second Iraq War with the same amount of confidence about toppling that government and the US somehow "controlling" it. Where exactly are these leftists who are saying Iran will rebuild their economy with tolls? Are they in the room with you? Blink twice if so.
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jamie99104 days ago
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The dominant narrative here is that Iran is somehow winning because random Indian or Chinese boats pay Iran a toll to pass through the strait. I know economics is not a strong point for leftists, but this is a great illustration of a false economy. Iran is not winning. Every day that passes a new degree of damage is done to their national infrastructure.
Iran will lose this war it's just a question of how much force is needed. It may take power plants or bridges being targeted (coming up Tuesday), or may take more than that. But Trump has shown he is not deterred by adversity or political pressure. He will not shy away from making difficult decisions that trespass moral lines
Iran may win the media war but America will win the war for control of Iran's oil and strategic destiny.
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Imaginary-Hyena28584 days ago
+10
It's not a zero sum game. Both Iran and the US/Israel can come out of this as losers
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deadflow3r4 days ago
+6
This greatly depends on the definition of "winning". I would argue if you're causing the leader of a country to go on a foul mouthed rant and putting down insane ultimatums then on some level you are winning the war. What you think of "winning" and what Iran considers "winning" are two different things. If Trump bombs Iran into the stoneage but can't control the region did he win?
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jamie99104 days ago
-11
How do you know there's a link between Iran being effective in this war and Trump's behaviour on social media? There's every chance - in fact I believe this to be the case - that Trump is employing the madman strategy. It makes perfect sense, since Iran is trying to use the western media and western moral norms around war-fighting to force America to retreat and enforce escalation limits (e.g. certain targets off limits/collateral damage taken into consideration). But if Trump doesn't care about moral lines, if he is truly unhinged that is a losing strategy. Even if they don't fully buy the madman persona, that still must be a source of concern and a source of leverage for America.
\> If Trump bombs Iran into the stoneage but can't control the region did he win?
Iran can't control the straight if they're in a pre industrial country in ruins. Eventually they run out of resources and the ability to coordinate military activity. They will be at best a Houthi style pest rather than a peer threat to America or Israel. That is a win for Israel and America - even if the Straight is not totalling safe for shipping due to a lingering threat from Iran and proxies.
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deadflow3r4 days ago
+5
Let me ask you a question. Is there anything you disagree with that Trump has done with this war?
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europeanguy994 days ago
+5
Iran is not winning - their population is losing lives, wealth, and freedom. The Iranian regime is however doing somewhat well - new sources of income and additional control over the country.
So the evaluation of the current situation depends on whether you consider the perspective of the population or of the regime.
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bitknight14 days ago
+19
You sound like people at my work claiming we could send in 1-2k troops and take over the whole country because American military is just that good and Iran is cooked.
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BookmarksBrother4 days ago
-13
Well they couldnt handle 2 downed pilots lol
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Cobrastrikenana4 days ago
+2
We lost 1,400 football fields of burgers in military equipment. Or 600+ million dollars.
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BookmarksBrother4 days ago
And US oil producers are set to gain 63 billion more in profits this year alone because the strait is closed...
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-war-us-oil-producers-prices-63-billion-windfall/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-war-us-oil-producers-prices-63-billion-windfall/)
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Cobrastrikenana4 days ago
+1
You and I are not oil tycoons.
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BookmarksBrother4 days ago
-1
I am fully aware dont worry. I am just here trying to make sense of why the war started and why and how it might end.
The consensus seems to be that its disastrous for the world and US in particular but numbers dont really back it up...
It seems Iran and the world think these oligarchs give a f***. I am convinced they could not care less. Just like Putin's Russia.
8 million came out for "no kings" protests and it simply didnt matter. They just dont give a shit and Iran might end up without the utilities to sustain basic life pushing 90 million to famine or drought...
I just dont see Trump/Netenyahu and these oligarchs caring at all about their fate.
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Ultra_Metal4 days ago
-13
The Islamic Republic is cooked because the regime has been severely crippled and the people of Iran have been armed so they can resume their revolution once the bombing stops. The regime will be overthrown by the people who are furious at the regime for 47 years of tyranny.
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Cobrastrikenana4 days ago
+3
We just reminded them why they put the Ayatollah in power.
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jamie99104 days ago
-9
Worked for Great Britain in their heyday. It worked in Venezuela too. Politics backed up with gun boat diplomacy works, it was how entire empires were built during Europe's imperial era.
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ContentsMayVary4 days ago
+5
I hate to break it to you, but the USA is far from being in its heyday - being run, as it is, by a senile demented old rapist of children.
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NoMoSloMoSure4 days ago
+1
Americans are not beating the allegations lol. What is causing this? Lead or microplastics in the brain?
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whisskibum4 days ago
+1
I can think of two countries that have a very vested interest in continuing. One emerging as a superpower, getting pennies on the dollar to allow their influence to grow regionally right now.
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BookmarksBrother4 days ago
-3
This, I would also add that US doesnt care about the strait, their oligarchs are set to pocket tens if not hundreds of billions off it being closed.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-war-us-oil-producers-prices-63-billion-windfall/
All Iran can do is hurt other countries which I doubt Trump cares about
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Imaginary-Hyena28584 days ago
+7
The US government will certainly care if gas prices are still high come midterms. If the US really didn't care about it we wouldn't have POTUS making crazy profane posts demanding it be re-opened
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BookmarksBrother4 days ago
+4
>we wouldn't have POTUS making crazy profane posts demanding it be re-opened
He has been saying that while at the same time not doing anything in that direction... Actions speak louder than a truth social post...
In fact the 3rd aircraft carrier is now on his way to the middle east and pentagon has put orders for ready made bunkers to be delivered in the area. On top of that they are requesting 200 billion more in funding for this war...
They are not looking to get out. None of their actions point to that.
Edit: They even targeted and killed the moderates people in IRGC that were publicly asking for a deal with the US...
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8812217926514 days ago
-11
War should always be the last resort in any situation. With that said, let Israel and Iran sort out their bullshit.
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