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News & Current Events Apr 17, 2026 at 6:11 AM

Device found near Bali and Lombok identified as Chinese undersea monitoring system

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Chinese device found in strategic waters near Bali identified
www.abc.net.au
Chinese device found in strategic waters near Bali identified
A large torpedo-shaped device discovered near an island in a strategically important strait between Bali and Lombok has been identified by defence analysts as a Chinese undersea monitoring system.

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TheFrenchSavage 2 days ago +1748
>Beijing has dismissed concerns, saying, "there is no need for excessive interpretation or suspicion". Well that makes me want to investigate it even more!
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Zwangsjacke 2 days ago +421
>Beijing has dismissed concerns, saying, "there is no need for excessive interpretation or suspicion". Just the normal amount.
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PM_Me-Your_Freckles 1 day ago +7
Possibly just a "Yep, it's exactly what it looks like. Don't over think it, because you are already correct."
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_spec_tre 2 days ago +209
The lack of the usual combative wording does show just how guilty they are this time
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Suspicious_Place1270 2 days ago +87
yeah, it's like: oh well, you got us there (pwease leave it where you found it uWu)
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BestFriendWatermelon 2 days ago +39
"there is no need to start digging up the patio in my back garden..."
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ozthinker 2 days ago +83
Objectively, if China had wanted to obscure or obfuscate its origin, it would have not printed the organisation logo and the Chinese words on it.
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MikeAppleTree 2 days ago +50
It’s like “weather balloons”, if it’s obviously monitoring you want it to seem innocuous, so having commercial labels and temperature and pressure sensors provides plausible deniability.
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ghostchihuahua 2 days ago +26
Denied as confirmation is just good old USSR/CHINA modus operandi re- communication around such things. It was always such a mention, they’re in fact a nod that says “yep’, so what now?”
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8muLH 2 days ago +579
There's a whole lot of them deployed around Australia now after the Chinese Navy's recent trip.
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MajesticBread9147 2 days ago +305
I mean you shouldn't doubt that any world power isn't doing clandestine shit. Like how the fact that a few Navy Seals illegally entered North Korea and killed a few civilians after being spooked or America spread memes in Muslim majority nations about how the Chinese Covid vaccine contained pork products, and don't get me started on Russian propaganda in America and the EU. Geopolitics is an international p**** game where everyone is cheating.
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Good_Restaurant15 2 days ago +169
> and don't get me started on Russian propaganda in America and the EU. No, Do get started. We absolutely need to bring up, more often, how Trump is a Russian asset, and has been for decades. Even if you are tired of talking about Russian bots in social media, the fact that Trump bankrupted a series of casinos that had Russian capital all over it, and still does business with those same Russians, should be notable.
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radicalelation 1 day ago +6
> and don't get me started on Russian propaganda in America and the EU Facilitated by the same wealthy Americans that are running the US. Russia utilized Cambridge Analytica, which is often attributed to Steve Bannon and not his handlers, the Mercer family. They not only have been working on extracting and leveraging data for political purposes since the early 90s through their SCL Group, but Rebekah Mercer was placed on the board of the Heritage Foundation in 2014, just before Cambridge Analytica really spun up. Heritage was operating in Russia shortly after the Soviet Union collapsed, with an office in Moscow and all, with regular meetings with government leadership. Granted, Putin came into power under an anti-reformist banner, but that means trusting Putin to be sincere for power, and the constant crossing with Heritage or linked people is suspicious. Heck, the Heritage-owned Reagan administration had Oliver North take the fall for the Iran-Contra affair, and he ends up heading the NRA when they were investigated and found to be a Russian asset. There's a chance that Russia was a modern prototype for what the wealth and race supremacists have been attempting to establish in the USA, desired since the failing of the Business Plot (Prescott Bush, who approached Smedley Butler to replace FDR as a fascist dictator, is a direct thread to Heritage through HW).
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karny90 1 day ago +8
The problem is that most Americans don’t know or even understand half of what you said. It’s so over their heads that they’ll hand-wave it away. Especially now with “fake news” being so popular. I genuinely dont know how we can get regular, everyday people to understand what’s going on.
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Ez13zie 2 days ago +4
You should read The CIA as Organized Crime by Douglas Valentine.
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8muLH 1 day ago +1
Who would be stupid enough to think they weren't?
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maejsh 1 day ago
Most Americans it would seem.
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ponylicious 2 days ago +217
How are these systems powered? Battery?
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Wafflars 2 days ago +378
Well I highly doubt it’s 3 tiny Chinese inside using pedals to generate power. But could be wrong.
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InstantShiningWizard 2 days ago +55
That's how they got Harold Holt, you can never be sure
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FfflapJjjack 2 days ago +26
Ah yes, the ONLY alternative.
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a1b3c3d7 2 days ago +17
I love how that's the only alternative, it's either a battery or 3 small Chinese dudes 😂
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auxaperture 1 day ago +2
Yeah I mean it could just be 2 dudes. So silly.
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TendyHunter 2 days ago +1
I just hope the dudes won't be too quick to resort to battery
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a1b3c3d7 1 day ago +1
One should not underestimate the power of 3 small chinese dudes peddling 😂
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OhMyDoT 2 days ago +19
It’s China, might well be 3 Uyghurs in there
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ah_no_wah 1 day ago +3
It could also be Wong
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musiccman2020 2 days ago +4
Wong ?
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Darkskynet 2 days ago +66
Some of the old ones back in the day would use the magnetic fields from the copper cables to power the device if I remember correctly and didn’t even need to cut into the wire to listen to the signals. They used the same principles that caused crosstalk in undersea telephone cables. There are some interesting videos on YouTube about some of the devices that have been attached to cables over the years to spy on communications.
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Low_Search_6667 2 days ago +19
Are any of the "cables" still electric (copper)? I thought they'd all be digital fiber optic now. Makes me wonder how you spy on fiber optic cable. Gotta splice in i guess
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norcalscan 2 days ago +14
The way they were doing it in the Snowden leak days was bending the fiber enough where it keeps the circuit intact so no alarms go off with a temporary outage, but the light hits the bend hard enough where enough light leaks through and a receiver placed at the bend can pick it up. That’s the ELI5 for sure there’s a lot more to it
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Low_Search_6667 2 days ago +3
Thank you!
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BannedSvenhoek86 2 days ago +1
Light bleed through an undersea cable??
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Skiddywinks 1 day ago +2
Yeh I'm unconvinced but also too lazy to care 
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norcalscan 1 day ago +3
Now that I’m wide awake and done with the day, I understand why y’all are unconvinced. The cable bend was absolutely done above ground in ATT central offices etc. I doubt the same can be done with undersea cables without bringing the cable into a submersible, bust through armored cable with power embedded to get to the glass, do the bending and then encapsulate the whole “new” contraption to protect it from the “elements.” Sorry, my earlier post was pre-morning-coffee. Carry on. :)
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PhilosopherFLX 2 days ago +7
Still carry power as you need a fiber repeater every 60 kilometers.
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Darkskynet 2 days ago +2
Unsure how it’s done in modern times, my information is probably out of date. But lots of the old communication cables are still being used, but for different stuff now. The old telephone cables are mostly likely all data now. But I’ve no idea.
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Interesting_Pen_167 2 days ago +2
They are still copper because you can't make an electromagnet out of fiber.
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Low_Search_6667 2 days ago +2
Please explain,  I don't follow 
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Interesting_Pen_167 2 days ago +1
The magnets in the detectors need to be tuned precisely and be powerful to do be able to interact with/detect stuff. Regular magnets are just, well magnets. But if you wrap a coil of conductive material like copper wire around a magnet and send voltage through the circuit the magnet you can essentially up and down the magnetic strength and go beyond the normal potential of the magnet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re%27s_circuital_law It's also worth noting that fiber optic cables are for transmitting data, not power. Those devices are sending data so it's possible they are connected via fiber to send out the actual data saying whether they detected something or not. However it's also possible they just collect the data and a submarine comes by and retrieves the data later on. EDIT: I noticed you mentioned spicing in above, I find this topic fascinating plus I'm an electrician so it's super interesting but check out the USS Jimmy Carter. It's a spy submarine that the Americans have and supposedly it has some technology that allows it to do just that, splice into fiber optic cables. This is technology that is supposedly impossible if you talk to technicians about this stuff but there are enough documents released that it seems like that's exactly what they are doing.
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Low_Search_6667 1 day ago +1
I mean, you gotta be able to splice it because it could get damaged at some point (intentionally or unintentionally). Splicing fiber has always been a thing.
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Interesting_Pen_167 1 day ago +1
I'm meant splicing without being detected sorry I wasn't clear there.
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Low_Search_6667 1 day ago +1
Yeah, I wouldn't know about the undetected part. I did a 1st level computer networking class over a decade ago. I vaguely remember different copper and fiber methods for detecting faults and latency and distances between.  If I had to guess, I'd say a splice in fiber, mid way between boost station would require some sort of active manipulation of the signal going both ways to render the splice invisible.  Otherwise the repeater nodes seem the ideal places to access the data undetected 
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i_sell_you_lies 2 days ago +1
Not with that attitude!
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luksfuks 2 days ago +2
That would explain how it can gather information for a long time. But how does it communicate its findings back to the owner?
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FabulousSOB 2 days ago +7
They followed the charger cable to China, that's how they found the owner.
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SVXfiles 2 days ago +8
Just a micro use cable with a shit ton of 3-6ft extenders all wrapped in saran wrap
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ProtonPizza 2 days ago -5
RTG if I had to guess.
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BestFriendWatermelon 2 days ago +13
It's definitely not RTG. You've been playing too much Kerbal Space Program. RTGs are expensive and give off only a tiny amount of power, and there are half a dozen better ways of generating power under the sea that also don't cause a radiation hazard with the political fallout that creates. RTGs are only really for deep space missions. A huge bank of batteries are the most obvious choice. Depending on depth, solar or tidal power will also do the job very well.
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ProtonPizza 2 days ago +4
You are correct in that I did play too much KSP back in the day.
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Interesting_Pen_167 2 days ago +56
I've read military analysts talk about devices like these, as they have gotten more sophisticated people are believing that there will come a time probably within some of our lifetimes that the entire ocean will be monitored and subs may become impossible to hide. There are also techniques using lasers which can penetrate deep into the ocean which are fired from aircraft which can scan areas. Interesting race because this could neuter the nuclear triad approach to defense.
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Foe117 2 days ago +28
In the US, that's what sosus nets are for. As for lasers detecting submarines, as touted as the "Guardian" project, it's a fantasy project and likely only has a real detection range of 150 meters or less, ocean water turbidity notwithstanding. The US is also doing the same thing, but their scope is more realistic in detecting ships within the 200meter euphotic zone.
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Interesting_Pen_167 2 days ago
What you're saying about the lasers detection range seems to ring true based on my knowledge of things but I did see the Chinese have similar planes running these things and I have to wonder if both countries are doing it and it's useless, why keep doing it? My gut feeling is you're right though it's probably nearly pointless but they are testing it anyways.
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Foe117 2 days ago +6
useful against drug submarine I suppose
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SaintsNoah14 1 day ago +1
Water is really f****** dense man. There really is a ceiling (floor?) to detection
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Thanks_Ollie 2 days ago +6
That leg of the triad will then move into space! It will be great, no issues whatsoever!
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UnknownHero2 1 day ago +1
Well no, it definitely wouldn't neuter the triad. The literal entire point of the triad is that it resists technology changes like this. Even if every sub instantly becomes useless the US could just use icbms or traditional bombers. You would need new technologies to be developed and deployed capable of disabling each threat simultaneously. The ones this would destabilize are countries like the UK who only have sub based nukes.
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gwentlarry 2 days ago +174
I don't suppose it's anything unusual. I would expect as well as China, the USA, Russia and a number of other countries have similar devices in place around the world.
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ElusiveGuy 2 days ago +54
[SOSUS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS) has existed for the better part of a century. It'd be silly to not expect rivals to do similar things. 
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Oldiebones 2 days ago +13
Yeah we’ve had submarines and satellites all over the place for decades. This isn’t anything new.
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n05h 2 days ago +6
Yeah, Philippines is probably like “first time?”.
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LeviAEthan512 2 days ago -2
You know what? Good. I fear China and I live in a small country that would end up in their sphere. Well rather I fear living under CCP censorship, but that's a digression. I say good because we don't live in a perfect world. People are going to fight. And when the missiles start flying, I don't want my country to be under fog of war.
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alitayy 1 day ago +1
What country are you talking about
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LeviAEthan512 1 day ago
All of them, especially China. I want them all to know what's going on so they don't just start blasting blindly
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alitayy 1 day ago +1
No mate what country are you living in
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LeviAEthan512 1 day ago +3
Singapore. Our position is worryingly strategically advantageous.
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QuasarPulsar17 2 days ago +13
Call for Garbage collection!
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echoron 2 days ago +36
I dont think PPL have a slightest idea what is China doing all around the world behind the curtains, and im afraid once we find out, it will be already too late...
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Mindless-Peak-1687 2 days ago +6
It seems the intelligence service is so secret it has no name.
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leaderofstars 1 day ago +1
They are trying to find more fishing spots to overfish at
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StickAFork 2 days ago +3
"Pay no attention to the torpedo behind the curtain!"
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karateninjazombie 2 days ago
The yanks have definitely done this to russian undersea cables in the past. The one I read about was somewhere in the north coast of Russia. Was a sub insertion in the 60s with divers going to and from the sub. Sketchy as f*** and very nearly got caught iirc.
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AnthillOmbudsman 2 days ago +2
There is a whole book from the 1980s about the operation, interesting read. It was in the Okhotsk Sea off Kamchatka.
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karateninjazombie 2 days ago +1
That is the one I think I was reading about. Though possibly the Wikipedia or some other internet artical on an mil enthusiast site
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Alienhaslanded 1 day ago +1
It kind of looks like a side scan of some sort but it's not.
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mark6059 1 day ago +1
would be terrible if any of the ip or data related to the device were accidentally became available on the internet
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mldqj 2 days ago -5
If this was a U.S. undersea monitoring system, would it have made the news at all?
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termites2 1 day ago +1
It did back in the 1980s. I guess it's just so well known about nowadays that it's not news any more.
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