I could easily see it coming out in a few years that there was never even an attempt to make any deals, and that it was all pure market manipulation
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danb1kenobi4 days ago
+90
We know that **now**
“US will not lift Hormuz blockade until deal made”
**Translation**: Friday, right after closing bell.
Remember how he used to screech about Pelosi? Pepperidge Farm remembers — that every accusation is a confession with these clowns.
Edit: I forgot about TACO Tuesday. [The second the market closed](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx297218m9vt)
Read more in my upcoming book: “The Grifter Always Grifts Twice.” /s
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DarkLordoftheSmiths4 days ago
+13
In 2 weeks
13
Common-Ad64704 days ago
+3
…and diversion away from the Epstein files…👌
3
PM_Me-Your_Freckles4 days ago
+8
That's called "The Art of the Steal"
8
tetten4 days ago
+5
I don't think it's pure market manipulation. The world just realized Iran is an emerging world power and they realized the US can't do anything without sacrificing lots of american troops where there is no public support for. Trump is stuck, he can't pull out because then he'd tanked the world economy for nothing and he can't go any further or he risks being the president that started vietnam 2.0. I'm certain in Iran everyone now is motivated to get nuclear weapons since his ending a civilization comment, he will be remembered as the president that turned Iran into a nuclear superpower.
5
LA_Ramz4 days ago
+15
grab em by the dealio
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InstantShiningWizard4 days ago
+1
Dussy*
1
MsterBoRaichu4 days ago
+13
The deal has always been "Everything and your daughter for me and nothing for you."
13
captHij4 days ago
+48
Apparently, Iran does not need to make a deal. They shut down the straight to punish the western nations supporting the conflict. In response to refusing to make a deal the US has decided to take over for Iran and shut down the straight. Best of all, the US put ships in the Gulf to shut things down, and there is no discussion about how they are supposed to leave. Somehow this is all supposed to make sense. It is for dementia chess.
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ChromaticDragon4 days ago
+40
It makes a bit more sense than that.
That war doesn't, mind you. There is no justification for the war whatsoever that passes a smell test and holds water.
But the US blockade of ships to/from Iranian ports could be seen as way to strangle Iran. Iran can disrupt shipping and cause lots of pain for many countries. But with no other players involved, they could still export their own oil and generate revenue. The US blockade may be an attempt to kill that revenue cold.
Now... this adds even more pain to the rest of the world. It does nothing to help supply in the short-term. But if... and I do mean if... this leads to Iran simply collapsing and whatever remains chooses to be nice and peaceful, then maybe in the long-term this gets things more "open".
So it's not without *any* sense. It's just... well... predicated on a number of assumptions regarding speed of collapse, regime change and eventual peace... kinda like the entire war.
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lluewhyn4 days ago
+22
It may or may not work. But it makes more sense than "We'll kill Khomeini and hope the entire regime folds over like a house of cards despite them deliberately organizing their regime for that not to happen" or "We'll threaten to bomb their civilians until they roll over".
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Pressure_Chief4 days ago
+2
As long as the US blockade does not trigger a larger scale conflict by attacking basically any other country’s vessels that go through the straight.
2
JAWinks4 days ago
+21
I get the impression the Trump is envious that Iran can charge tolls on this one important stretch of shipping, so he also wants in on that action
21
rabidstoat4 days ago
+6
Which is why I am waiting him to start talking about seizing the Panama Canal again, so he can charge the tolls.
The Canal, though, is a canal, and it takes work to run ships through it and maintenance to keep things working, so it makes sense that tolls can be charged there. The strait is just an existing body of water.
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Settra_Rulez4 days ago
+26
I think you’re fundamentally misunderstanding things. The US blockade stops ships that interact with Iranian ports. It’s meant to cut off the revenue Iran draws from oil exports. Some 90% of their GDP.
A ship leaving port in UAE could sail through the straight unimpeded by the US.
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Namell4 days ago
+4
Losing that income of course hurts Iran.
Question is how long blockade has to last before current Iran leadership collapses? Cuba has been more or less embargoed for 60+ years. It has not collapsed yet.
4
Codex_Dev4 days ago
+2
Cuba is actually rationing gasoline right now. A good portion of their island doesn't even have power because Venezuela and Russia were providing them with oil.
2
rtaliaferro4 days ago
+8
Thank you for that common sense clarity of the situation.
8
green_link4 days ago
+21
"punish the western nations supporting the conflict"
what western nations are supporting this war? every other nation i've seen speak about it says they don't support it. only the fascist pedophiles in the white house support this dumb illegal war
21
VanbyRiveronbucket4 days ago
+12
If you have an American base in your country, you are supporting the war, .. this is how Iran sees it.
12
brapsniffsniff4 days ago
+4
They are not blockading the strait they are blockading iranian ports so they can't export anything. That is why iran is unhappy about it. The US can and will let ships traverse the strait if they aren't going to an iranian port.
4
OSUfan884 days ago
+4
I mean, it makes sense to me. Iran blockaded everyone but their own trade partners from the straight. So the USA blocked that.
It’s a much bigger issue for the straight being shut down to Iran than it is to the USA. That’s an immediate 50% cut to their economy.
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Life_Without_Lemon4 days ago
+4
Infinite money glitch
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I_like_Mashroms4 days ago
+2
Yeah there is, but it's only after he's over leveraged his hand and we have to ask for either exactly what we had already or slightly worse.
2
Gonzo_Gonzalo4 days ago
+2
Exactly, his goal is to drag this on as lo ny as possible to manipulate the markets for his own personal gain.
2
MrBrawn4 days ago
+2
Concepts of a deal.
2
Truthisnotallowed4 days ago
+456
Trump's ability to make a bad situation worse is amazing.
456
thefunkybassist4 days ago
+60
Some say he was born for it
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rogozh1n4 days ago
+15
It's in his genes.
15
footpole4 days ago
+6
Evolution really fucked up I guess.
6
Mumbert4 days ago
+2
Some say he did it when being born, too!
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mwmontrose4 days ago
+15
Generational talent
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Winterplatypus4 days ago
+15
It's because he thinks like a bad businessman where you have a monopoly and can force customers to use a shit product. He doesn't understand how to run a business with competition, let alone a country. The US doesn't have a monopoly on the world, it's just a preferred partner. Make too many demands and other countries will suffer the inconvenience and cost of finding alternatives.
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psylenced4 days ago
+8
> It's because he thinks like a bad businessman where you have a monopoly and can force customers to use a shit product.
Or sue them into compliance/drain their finances with legal fees.
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doomeddeath4 days ago
+501
I'm so tired of this BS
501
Spare-Ant71194 days ago
+246
It's insane. Republicans are destroying the country.
246
Additional_Quiet26004 days ago
+282
The world's economy.
282
Aware_Produce_12184 days ago
+74
IMF said Iran war could trigger global recession. Europe is 6 weeks away from running out of jet fuel. Southeast asian countries are calling on everyone to conserve energy. I guess this is winning.
74
Tutorbin764 days ago
+31
While not much can be done for jets right now, all this is helping accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels.
There has been a massive surge in EV cars and trucks in most markets, as well as renewed (heh) interest in solar, wind, and BESS power generation.
Don't get me wrong. This situation is still bad, but this is one small silver lining.
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uberares4 days ago
+21
If this is winning, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
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ScoobyDoNot4 days ago
+44
If it was only the US the rest of us wouldn’t be so concerned.
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onarainyafternoon4 days ago
+3
They are literally incapable of good and responsible governance.
3
jd3marco4 days ago
+4
*Always have been.* (since they went the ‘southern man’ strategy and took the racism mantle from the Democrats.
4
GhostalMedia4 days ago
+6
Iranians: “tell me about it”
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Azhz964 days ago
+13
I’m so tired of the US affecting everyone else, can we just build a giant wall that surround them and move on with our lives?
We will even pay for it.
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TheMalibu4 days ago
+80
God this guy has accidentally done more for the EV market than anyone.
80
planetarybum4 days ago
+37
Countries are scrambling to change trade deals and increase energy independence so that they can't be held to ransom like this again.
Buy American oil? Not bloody likely.
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SafeKaracter4 days ago
+6
They need to start making commercial electric planes
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mccrawley4 days ago
+12
With the current technology they aren't feasible. I don't even think they have a road map for long haul commercial planes. We would need some kind of breakthrough in battery technology to achieve the energy density needed.
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JCMS994 days ago
+9
They are - but on hydrogen fuel cell, not solid batteries.
https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/energy-transition/hydrogen/zeroe-our-hydrogen-powered-aircraft
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SnooPineapples39524 days ago
+6
Oh, there's definitely the incentive for that now, although the R&D cycle is going to take a while to build a genuinely good one.
6
FoundationGreat70724 days ago
+158
what a time to be in the navy, this will be loong deployments.
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gunsandgardening4 days ago
+30
Probably loving the hazard pay lol
30
SeeingEyeDug4 days ago
+56
A few hundred extra a month isn’t worth this for them.
56
ScoobiusMaximus4 days ago
+9
Given how Trump rips off literally everyone else, including ICE, I expect that whatever bonuses he promises will never get paid.
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AngryMillennialFU4 days ago
+132
All trump knows how to do is make demands
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robthethrice4 days ago
+51
Demands, ultimatums, chickening out, and occasionally blowing stuff up to prove he’s big and tough.
Throw in a lot of self promotion, some whining and revenge (and of course fraud and various r***). Round it out with a disgusting amount of greed, and you have the president.
Should probably mention an unhealthy level of dementia, and that diaper, and..
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Sieve-Boy4 days ago
+9
Don't forget giving himself medals.
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ObjectOfMyEffection4 days ago
+1
And those cute leprosy paws!
1
One-Marsupial29164 days ago
+22
You don’t have the cards, Donny.
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[deleted]4 days ago
+52
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calebmke4 days ago
+7
Add one more at the end of the week, then another one next Monday…and on and on
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lolofaf4 days ago
+6
It's basically schrodingers straight at this point. It both is and isn't blocked by either Iran or the US (or both) at any given point in time. We don't know what's true until a ship tries to cross and either does or does not get stopped (or blown up).
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LesserGooglyMooglie4 days ago
+43
He isn't even allowed in the Situation Room, all he is good for is signing EO's Miller wrote, shitting his pants 'Presidentially and taking calls from Putin and Netanyahu to find out his new marching orders...
Oh and tweeting demented nonsense...
We are not a serious country!
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happy_and_angry4 days ago
+50
We're blocking the strait of Hormuz to get the strait of Hormuz open again. Amazing.
50
Odd-Row94854 days ago
+10
Strait
10
fec22454 days ago
+3
We're a month into this, how have people not figured it out?
3
pingu_nootnoot4 days ago
+3
The longer you live, the more you realise not only how dumb people are, but also how resistant to learning.
It’s not just Donald Trump.
3
Vaulters4 days ago
+3
This is like school yard shit here.
Is there a teacher we can get in here to put the kids in time out?
3
antisocialdecay4 days ago
+26
two weeks? tuesday?
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Phoenix_Maximus_134 days ago
+8
Well Pakistan did just pitch a 2 week extension to him and Iran
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Xollector4 days ago
+7
Was it thru a draft email sent to Pakistan by the US?
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Phoenix_Maximus_134 days ago
+2
I have no idea just that the Pakistan prime minister put out the statement
2
Morphico4 days ago
+2
He's a see you next Tuesday kinda guy.
2
goodlife_arc4 days ago
+5
I’ve seen this before… and most of u have at some point in your life. I saw it when my son was little. He would f*** around and we would warn him that he would get in trouble and he would continue doing it until the inevitable “go to your room, you are grounded” and then he would give this dumb look like he didn’t understand what was happening to him. You are seeing that with our toddler in chief, wait until the world puts so much pressure on the US that there will be no other option but to impeached him (that can and will happen) and he will have the same stupid look that my son gave me trying to understand what happened.
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steelcryo4 days ago
+5
Enriching all his friends in American and Venezuelan oil, while utterly f****** the American people (and the rest of the world) to do so.
Shame his supporters are too dumb to realise it's them that's paying the price.
5
AnyEmployment40544 days ago
+2
They will blame Biden for all this in a few years
2
brontosaurusguy4 days ago
+6
You don't make "deals" with countries you're bombing you psychopath f*** sake
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MoobooMagoo4 days ago
+5
TACO math tells me that the blockade will be lifted in around four days, and no deals will be made.
5
krwskater254 days ago
+18
Looks at watch... Well???
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LogicalEgo4 days ago
+4
We shouldn't have to "deal" with this moron.
4
ObjectOfMyEffection4 days ago
+3
You wouldn't understand, it's an art.
3
Kawakid694 days ago
+4
Yeah thanks Aholes - while the rest of the world suffers because of your selfishness
4
haamfish4 days ago
+8
When does the rest of the world put sanctions on the US for f****** with our shit?
8
Laura_Biden4 days ago
+3
No deal would be needed if you'd stayed out of the fkn country in the first place.
3
guiltycitizen4 days ago
+3
He’s having these talks with himself and no one else. That’s why Iran keeps pumping out the LEGO vids
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Comfortable_Cash_1404 days ago
+3
It's almost Tuesday...soooooo....
3
Hans_Delbruck4 days ago
+3
Iran: "So your going to close the Straight until we make a deal instead of us closing the straight until we make a deal.?"
3
flirtmcdudes4 days ago
+3
after Covid and how people got mad for having to wear a piece of cloth for a while, I knew the way the world would end would just be due to humans being stupid. This last year has been a steady stream of examples reinforcing that belief.
Trump and company are f****** around and making billions while the entire Republican Party allows them to. So much lasting damage and they just shrug, wild times
3
jwrice4 days ago
+3
Iran: We'll open the Strait of Hormuz AND give up our entire supply of uranium on one condition.
US: I'm listening..
Iran: Release the full unredacted Epstein files to the American people so that the perpetrators can be brought to justice.
US: They mentioned Epstein. Quick, let's start World War 3 as a distraction.
3
takesthebiscuit4 days ago
+3
This is incredibly simple to resolve,
Get to Lowes, buy some polyester rope and some gold paint
Spray the rope gold, tie a noose in it
Present to Trump as the Iranian Golden Noose of Justice (their highest honour) in recognition of the amazing peace deal Trump just agreed
The decrepit fool will mount the noose in his office, and open the strait due to the honour,
3
SamuelDoctor4 days ago
+3
"If you don't reopen the straight, we'll blockade it."
So, brent is going to be $200/barrel by November, then?
3
InterstellarReddit4 days ago
+7
This means that tomorrow he flips the script
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[deleted]4 days ago
+15
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fec22454 days ago
+11
Certain segments of the Iranian government very obviously want a deal, others are more reluctant. There's no person that speaks for the whole government, much less the whole country.
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this_dudeagain4 days ago
+2
Of course they do they just don't want to look weak.
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HarEr894 days ago
+2
The markets don't care.
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DJBreadwinner4 days ago
+2
That's pretty crazy considering we won the war on the first day, and it wasn't even a war at all.
/s
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AverageLiberalJoe4 days ago
+2
You are paying for this. Every day.
2
LMurch134 days ago
+2
Maybe Obama or Biden would be willing to help Trump talk to Iran? Trump can't seem to get it done.
2
Cockalorum4 days ago
+2
Which he will promptly break
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DarkLordoftheSmiths4 days ago
+2
Oh, so never then
2
FlowRiderBob4 days ago
+2
Anyone thinking of having tacos tomorrow?
2
dchristiaens4 days ago
+2
Best case scenario he is declared unfit and goes to jail for the Epstein. I've followed him for almost 50 years. It has always made me sick that he's got away with everything because he's a person of privilege. Rich people suck
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EmbarrassedCockRing4 days ago
+2
So wait... The problem was that we attacked Iran and then they closed the straight. Now the US is blocking the strait until Iran makes a deal about opening the straight that the US is blocking because they were attacked? Lmaooooo
2
Any-Following62364 days ago
+2
Riiight. Israel just wants to continue killing people. So much for being about peace, right?
2
Vaulters4 days ago
+2
Oh it's Monday
2
gamerdudeNYC4 days ago
+2
I love how he always says there’s a deal, MAGA and FoxNews laud him as a master negotiator genius… and then there’s no deal
2
hypocalypto4 days ago
+2
I thought the navy of Iran was destroyed. How are they sending gunships to shoot at Indian ships?
2
Main-Video-85454 days ago
+2
The art of market manipulation.
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rathemighty4 days ago
+2
Iran already offered a deal: tell the truth about Epstein Island and they’ll open the strait
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RMRdesign4 days ago
+2
What a unique way to throw money away. Start a war, kill anyone they could have reasonably negotiated with, and have you navy play crossing guard. All while everyone back home pays for this mess with higher prices on everything.
2
MrNewVegas20774 days ago
+2
Taco Tuesday 🌮
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CaligulaQC4 days ago
+2
I guess they didn’t asked Ciri what’s the definition of a ceasefire.. /s
2
Trifang4204 days ago
+2
He's so stupid! My God
2
BlakeDragon4 days ago
+2
Peace deals are normally made with both parties giving and taking.
However it's different if dealing with a bully like Trump who likes an oppressor.
2
IdiotBOT12344 days ago
+2
He really did this time. There’s no way his ego will help America out of this jam. All of it totally unnecessary!
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Hattkake4 days ago
+2
So... In Trump speak that means that the blockade will be lifted even if no deal is made. And then closed again and opened again and closed again and opened again. And closed again. And then opened before it is closed again.
Somebody is going to make a ton on the stock market at the same time.
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crookdmouth4 days ago
+3
Friday:"we made a deal"
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Thanato264 days ago
+2
So iran will only open the strait if the U stops blockaiding them. And the us wont stop blockading Iran unless they open the strait.
So muxh for the art of the deal
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Leading-Caramel-77404 days ago
+5
We are the terrorists now.
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zanfar4 days ago
+6
now?
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mixxituk4 days ago
+2
$8.64 per gallon for petrol in UK guys you are driving us to renewables
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Plaineswalker4 days ago
+5
Wasn't a deal made already? Who didn't uphold the deal from last week?
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Professional-Ad38744 days ago
+3
the ceasefire deal was only for 2 weeks. That ends Wednesday.
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Odd-Row94854 days ago
+2
Tuesday 8 pm est
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Yvaelle4 days ago
+3
If you mean the claim on Friday, the Iranian Foreign Minister said that he didn't know who Trump thought he was talking to, but it wasn't Iran.
Trump made it up.
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supercali454 days ago
+2
Dude just going in circles while the world burns
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batotit4 days ago
+2
So much for a quick war. This will drag on for years, and as usual, a democrat president will be the one fixing this in the future.
2
drinkduffdry4 days ago
+2
Tacos again?
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Tokey_Tokey4 days ago
+1
*in an old decrepit voice* must protect the petrodollar
1
bignuts30004 days ago
+1
Just give it a couple of days…..
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Iamanimite4 days ago
+1
Good job. Great job. Lololololololilpeenie
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Actual_Load_39144 days ago
+1
But didn't we already made the deal 3-4 times by now. I remember our great leader mention that a few times. /s
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Severe_Air_43534 days ago
+1
Stop stealing Irans tankers . But that’s not what Pete told you , he wants a few bucks in his pocket to .
1
mistersuave4 days ago
+1
Fake it 'til you make it.
He made it.
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motohaas4 days ago
+1
No deal until Epstein case resolved
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TV-Tommy4 days ago
+1
I have the strong sensation to call the POTUS an ass!
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Tutorbin764 days ago
+1
But... but didn't that old guy post "Open the f...ing strait" on Easter Sunday?
1
DullFaithlessness824 days ago
+1
From the sounds of it he is more interested in trying to build a safe room. When his coup fails him and his cronies will dip in and still try to claim power and surround it with his little gestapo army.
1
Kneph4 days ago
+1
There’s still more stocks to manipulate
1
SnooPineapples39524 days ago
+1
If the Iranians ever state that they won't negotiate with this administration in any way until Trump is gone, impeachment and removal is going to set a new land speed record if this keeps up for much longer.
1
mjduce4 days ago
+1
Wait... who was blocking it again? Why are they twisting it to sound like they have the power here
1
UsusMeditando4 days ago
+1
Two weeks… on a Tuesday.
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BoomZhakaLaka4 days ago
+1
You don't blockade me, I blockade you!
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OrbeaSeven4 days ago
+1
Was this a Monday or Tuesday he said this? Changes daily, of course.
1
ken_the_boxer4 days ago
+2
We're at hourly now
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DonQuigleone4 days ago
+1
.... I thought they already made a deal?
1
Mba19564 days ago
+1
Either that or everyone on the naval vessels die of starvation.
1
MesozOwen4 days ago
+1
Correct me if I’m wrong but this Trump guy does not seem very good at his job.
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Osiris-Amun-Ra4 days ago
+1
From his upcoming new book ***"The Fart of The Deal".***
Published by TACO press.
1
shep21054 days ago
+1
I don't think Iran cares.
They'll just shut down the Bab al-Mandeb
Other countries are already deciding to use Yuan, NOT the US petrol dollar for purchases and sales. That will cripple us on top of everything else trump has done to cripple us.
1
PhatYeeter4 days ago
+1
Deal will be announced Thursday afternoon
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Gregistopal4 days ago
+1
didnt he say it would be open forever liek a day ago
1
Humble-Translator-884 days ago
+1
Trump is dumb, why doesn't he just rename it Hormuz of America and claim ownership. /s
1
Explicit_Tech4 days ago
+1
Weren't they negotiating right before he went and killed their leader and attacked them?
What deal is there to make? Threatening people is a lousy deal.
1
Scubadrew4 days ago
+1
They're clearly waiting for him to die. I really don't blame them. But, I also don't want to suffer when I fill my gas tank.
1
raresaturn4 days ago
+1
So are they sending in Obama to make the deal?
1
bingeboy4 days ago
+1
What’s the total cost of this war so far for us and our allies? And we blew up all those kids. So terrible 😞
1
Morfe4 days ago
+1
You're not blockading, I'm blockading.
Iran must be like ok bro go for it.
1
Northernreach4 days ago
+1
Or till Friday.
1
Gahugafuga4 days ago
+1
We had a deal with Iran. You tore it up you dumb m***********.
1
NameLips4 days ago
+1
Didn't we make a deal last week, and Iran said we broke the deal by not lifting the blockade? And didn't we make a deal two weeks ago, but iseral broke the deal by continuing to bomb Lebanon?
Come to think of it, wasn't the Strait open last month and commerce flowing normally?
I feel like the only progress we're trying to make is undoing the mess we caused.
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