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AdhesivenessFun2060 Apr 18, 2026 +436

We dont even know who or how many are being sent. How are we ensuring their safety and that they are not being sent to slavery or their death?

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ArchAngel621 Apr 18, 2026 +149

Honestly, what do they do once they get there? Did we just send whoever we want on the flight without a care? Imagine if China or Russia began deporting Americans to the ME. Edit: Russia has sent American Expats to the front.

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MooKids Apr 18, 2026 +36

Maybe the Texas method, where they just bussed migrants to blue cities and set them loose.

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DawnSennin Apr 19, 2026 +1

> Imagine if China or Russia began deporting Americans to the ME. Given the numerous amount of military bases in the region, those deportees won’t be staying for too long.

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fallingdowndizzyvr Apr 18, 2026 +42

> How are we ensuring their safety and that they are not being sent to slavery or their death? We don't. Trump doesn't care. https://lulac.org/news/pr/Migrants_Deported_By_Trump_Administration_Have_Been_Killed_Upon_Returning_To_Dangerous_Conditions/

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Mortiis07 Apr 18, 2026 +100

Why would you think they'd have any safety or chance or surviving?

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MaygarRodub Apr 18, 2026 +10

That's the question being asked. I can hear your tone of voice in this comment and it's not a meaningful addition to the conversation.

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agk23 Apr 18, 2026 +8

That’s not the question that was asked though. The first question implies that the goal is to responsibly deport them.

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MaygarRodub Apr 18, 2026 +7

"How are we ensuring their safety and that they are not being sent to slavery or their death?"

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Teantis Apr 19, 2026 +2

The US isn't. Why do you think this admin and this American government would think about that at all?

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OdosSolidAdventures Apr 18, 2026 +13

That cobalt isn't going to mine themselves...

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PigletCatapult Apr 19, 2026 +4

If it is like other countries, the Trump administration, and therefore the US tax payers are PAYING these countries to take the deportees. These are not one time fees per deportee, but an ongoing revenue stream. How many, and who are likely on an invoice somewhere, but I would bet that is classified Top Secret due to the national security implication of the United States trafficking people to foreign enterprises.

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Thor4269 Apr 19, 2026 +2

The Nazis kept their death camps outside of Germany's borders...

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shaka893P Apr 18, 2026 +4

I mean, if you read the article, it says right there 15 people from South American countries

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bandalooper Apr 18, 2026 +10

And of course we can absolutely trust what DHS told them, right?

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Shot-Possibility-399 Apr 18, 2026 +1

Hahaha we aren't That's the point, the cruelty.

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BusyHands_ Apr 18, 2026 +2211

Sending people to non-home countries is nothing more than a wilful act of hatred against them. Zero support, language barrier, cultural barriers. They know it will greatly reduce the chance of survival for them. History books are going to be busy documenting this admin for decades to come.

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ratbaby86 Apr 18, 2026 +625

Reportedly, people were sent to South Sudan, an active war zone on the brink of total famine. "Cruelty" doesn't even come close to describing actions like this -- it's sadism. These dumb fascists are psychotically evil.

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artquestionaccount Apr 19, 2026 +89

As are all those that support them. Don't forget that. They are all actively complicit. I bet if you brought up these deportations and even deaths resulting from them, your average Republican wouldn't care and would probably say something to the effect of "well, they committed a crime by coming here, so they deserve it". All of them that support this are monsters. Make sure you don't forgive them or let them forget that.

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o_MrBombastic_o Apr 19, 2026 +18

You can see Republicans saying literally that in so many threads they are failed people and they should not feel welcomed in civil society

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prettydisappointed Apr 18, 2026 +47

I agree that this is evil, and this doesn't really help anything, but you're mixing up South Sudan/Sudan. They were sent to South Sudan, but Sudan is the one in the middle of a war. South Sudan is in no way stable, though.

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ratbaby86 Apr 18, 2026 +148

I am not mixing anything up... UN warns South Sudan at risk of ‘full-scale famine’ as fighting intensifies: UN aid chief Tom Fletcher says hunger is tightening its grip amid rising humanitarian needs and intensifying fighting. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/17/un-warns-south-sudan-at-risk-of-full-scale-famine-as-fighting-intensifies

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prettydisappointed Apr 18, 2026 +16

Interesting, I didn't realize their previous agreement had expired.

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White_Immigrant Apr 19, 2026 +1

I don't think the USA is psychotic, the Americans look like they know precisely what they're doing. They ran out of living room to conquer unless they go after Canada, Mexico or Greenland, so the alternative is to expel people from the land instead.

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RedditIsGay_8008 Apr 19, 2026 +17

Are you guys just gonna ignore this dudes profile pic

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tehawesomedragon Apr 19, 2026 +20

Best to ignore his profile altogether lol

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YodaYogurt Apr 19, 2026 +5

And yet, US citizens do absolutely nothing to stop this from happening. No wonder the Trump administration is so comfortable violating people's rights and operating as Nazi Germany 2.0

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NickCostanza Apr 18, 2026 +240

Utter cruelty. The next administration must bring all of these deportees back and send those who put them there in their place.

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Skinnieguy Apr 18, 2026 +106

3 years from now is a long time. I hope their families find a way to support them. At least send them back to their home at the very least

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Ragnarok314159 Apr 18, 2026 +64

There is only two sad paths: they are held for ransom and the family extorted until good people are elected, or they disappear forever and suffer the fate of slaves.

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Skinnieguy Apr 18, 2026 +18

Yeah. I’ve thought of that. Maybe they have a love one who will do anything to get them to safety. Odds are against them

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fallingdowndizzyvr Apr 18, 2026 +10

> Maybe they have a love one who will do anything to get them to safety. What possibly would that be? They are in this situation since they had no means to begin with.

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fallingdowndizzyvr Apr 18, 2026 +10

> 3 years from now is a long time. I admire your optimism that this will end in 3 years.

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Swiftax3 Apr 18, 2026 +14

Let us not delude ourselves either... for a lot of these people, the US *is* their home. Its where they lived, worked, knew people, and was more a home than wherever they originally came from years or even decades ago. That is after all, the sole appeal of America... the promise of a place where anyone tired, poor, huddled masses etc could build a new life. Their only real crime was believing that lie.

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Skinnieguy Apr 18, 2026 +10

Oh I know a few ppl are “hiding” cus they know if they get deported, they’ll never be able to come back to the US. If they get caught, they are hoping they get return to their home country cus at least they had support. And these ppl been here for 30+ years. I know a few of them were Trump supporters too. The irony…

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RedditPoster05 Apr 18, 2026 +7

That’s the problem, though these people are stateless in a way. They are in the USA illegally and their home countries don’t want them back because they can’t really prove that they are from those places even though they probably are.

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Skinnieguy Apr 18, 2026 +7

I’m a naturalized citizen for 30+ years but if somehow it gets revoked and I get deported, I’m SOL cus I don’t have any documents proving my country origin besides what I said on my application and a DNA test.

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UncreativeIndieDev Apr 18, 2026 +57

Unfortunately, they're most likely just going to end up dead or missing. These people are being sent to authoritarian nations that already don't have a good track record for how they handle their own people and refugees in general. The impetus on the next administration will more be about going scorched Earth against every single official in Trump’s administration and every government that happily worked with him to ensure this shit can never happen again.

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Mizerous Apr 18, 2026 +11

It will happen again Trump got elected twice Republicans will ensure they will do this again.

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karatekidmar Apr 18, 2026 +4

Yeah I doubt Trump will act differently in his third term.

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Old-Suspect4129 Apr 18, 2026 +5

Sad but so scarily true. I keep thinking he's so old and unhealthy and hoping to wake up to the news of his end while I slept. It's this that keeps me going most.

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NetZeroSun Apr 18, 2026 +24

Unfortunately dems have no backbone outside some frowns and strong worded letters.

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UncreativeIndieDev Apr 18, 2026 +11

Some have one, but the leadership completely and utterly sucks. I don't quite know if I would say they are literally acting on behalf of Republicans as controlled opposition (they are funded by companies and oligarchs) or they are just ideologically stupid and think letting the country go to shit is a good political strategy. I hope that the midterms can lead to an ouster of current Democratic leadership.

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eNte19 Apr 18, 2026 +7

Neither have republicans as Trump was their only winning bid. Not one stepped up.

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skyofgold Apr 19, 2026 +6

Wtf is your profile photo

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fastolfe00 Apr 18, 2026 +16

Let's not forget the people we sent to El Salvador, and paid the Salvadoran government millions of dollars *to literally f****** torture them*. This shit isn't hyperbole.

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BriefStrategy6 Apr 18, 2026 +6

Oh El Salvador is f****** nothing compared to DR Congo. This is the cruelest thing US could do to these people. It's disgusting!

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markth_wi Apr 18, 2026 +23

I'm sure they'll burn every bit of evidence so they can never be convicted. But if you told me a bunch of guys went around airing out former administration officials because they pissed off the wrong billionaire that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

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kstargate-425 Apr 18, 2026 +18

Last countries who took them held them as prisoners, indefinitely. Doubt its going to be any different here and they'll end up slaves or dead. Its human trafficking and slave trading all over again 🤬

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AKM0215 Apr 18, 2026 +8

EU voted to do this too. It’s absolutely horrible.

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UbajaraMalok Apr 18, 2026 +6

I don't know how this isn't a crime against humanity

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cholointheskies Apr 19, 2026 +5

In the US, if someone has a withhold of deportation, it's illegal to send them to their home country. You have to send them to a third country.

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InternImpossible8685 Apr 18, 2026 -11

it is, but americans dont care.

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Aviyan Apr 19, 2026 +2

In rare cases it is preferable. A couple people got killed when they were sent back to their home country. They were escaping the violence.

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seriousbusinesslady Apr 19, 2026 +1

history is written by the victors, so here's to hoping it gets documented to disgust future generations

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Dairy_Ashford Apr 19, 2026 +1

> Sending people to non-home countries is nothing more than a wilful act of hatred against them. > > i wonder if it's some kind of bad faith, passive aggreessive response to refugee applicants, who assert that they can't safely live in or return to their home countries.

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maledictt Apr 19, 2026 +1

Actually isn't it human trafficking?

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NUMBerONEisFIRST Apr 19, 2026 +1

*a bunch of things that would get me banned if I typed them out*

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Few_Advisor3536 Apr 18, 2026 +1

So the intention is death row with extra steps. EDIT: what i mean is that their actual intension but almost a ‘loophole’ so they arent directly killing these people. Basically “if he dies, he dies” mentality.

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CharmingScholarette Apr 18, 2026 -3

oof put your c*** away bro wut you doing lol

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dovahbe4r Apr 18, 2026 +9

Yeah I think bro forgot to switch accounts lol

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SayNoToFirefighters Apr 19, 2026 +5

lol he got a post measuring "himself" ...cant make this up

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wabashcanonball Apr 18, 2026 -4

It is gravely more: a crime against humanity.

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Doub1eVision Apr 18, 2026

It’s human trafficking

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jazznessa Apr 18, 2026 -8

No worries, history won't be kind by Americans who had all this information and yet did nothing.

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Dreurmimker Apr 18, 2026 -3

Let’s not mince words… It’s human trafficking.

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MeteorPunch Apr 18, 2026 -19

I mean they had the option of: 1. Not coming here illegally. 2. Going back to where they came from prior to being deported. People can't blame the government for their own bad choices.

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Slight-Hedgehog259 Apr 18, 2026 +4

Many of rhem.disnt come.here illegally. They came here as asylum seekers and had protective status which the Trump administration then took away and made them illegals. Their crime is that they are not white. Trump made that pretty clear.

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warmike_1 Apr 18, 2026 -1

Then they should have gone back. Migrants from countries that have no active war or natural disaster should not be given refugee status.

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White_Immigrant Apr 19, 2026 +1

Bit rich coming from people living in a settler colonial state. Your country was founded by illegal immigrants mate.

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EmergencyCucumber905 Apr 18, 2026 +71

[https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/democratic-republic-of-the-congo](https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/democratic-republic-of-the-congo) > Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: arbitrary or unlawful killings; disappearances; torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment; involuntary or coercive medical or psychological practices; arbitrary arrest or detention; serious abuses in a conflict; unlawful recruitment or use of children in armed conflict by armed groups or the armed forces, including by the Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo; serious restrictions on freedom of expression and media freedom; and the significant presence of the worst forms of child labor.

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DJGlennW Apr 18, 2026 +141

So they're snatching working people off the streets, away from their families, and dumping them in a country with no language skills, no income, and no way of getting money (with no passports???) and just leaving them there?

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whydontyousuckmyball Apr 18, 2026 +60

And we are paying for it.

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TrevelyansPorn Apr 19, 2026 +21

They're not entering those countries as free people. US taxpayers are paying governments to lock them in a camp until they are dead.

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nigel_pow Apr 19, 2026 +4

That's probably the deterrent.

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YodaForceGhost Apr 18, 2026 +96

This what people who voted for the guy wanted to happen. Sucks to see but unfortunately it’s what the majority of voters wanted

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burnthatburner1 Apr 18, 2026 +28

True. They *want* the cruelty.

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markth_wi Apr 18, 2026 +14

They will be the most surprised people in the incinerators when the Trump people finally get around to them.

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Ok-Seaworthiness4488 Apr 18, 2026 +176

The US used to be the good guys, at least that's what we told ourselves. Now we can't even do that anymore

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raoulbrancaccio Apr 18, 2026 +47

>at least that's what we told ourselves Heavy focus on this

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artquestionaccount Apr 19, 2026 +4

It was never true. We occasionally do something good (we stopped the Nazis,yay), but we generally make the world a worse place so we can benefit from it. Usually so specifically the rich people here can benefit from it. The United States has long been one of the prime evils of the world.

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BusyHands_ Apr 18, 2026 +113

"Good guys". US has always operated on doctrine that ensured their security was #1. Security in terms of way of life, access to natural resources (oil, minerals). So " good" only if the locals agree with them. See what they did to Haiti in 1900s with the Marine dictatorship or vs Iran when they wanted to nationalize their oil.

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OGLikeablefellow Apr 18, 2026 +14

Yeah, but what about when their propaganda was good and there was a mono pop culture and I didn't know we weren't the good guys, that's what I miss. Edit /s

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2enty4 Apr 19, 2026

You miss being oblivious to all the atrocities your countries has committed while condemning many others?

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OGLikeablefellow Apr 19, 2026 +2

Ignorance is bliss

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NickoBicko Apr 19, 2026 +2

Below the commenter said ignorance is bliss. But I think there was something more than that. There was a hope. You knew it was BS. But those who were optimistic always hoped “well if only the people knew, they wouldn’t approve”. But the reality is that most don’t care. The banality of evil etc.

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antizana Apr 19, 2026 +4

Lol, you think any of that was security and not just access for US corporations to make $$?

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artquestionaccount Apr 19, 2026 +6

Or when we took over the Dominican Republic during WWI. We installed brutal military rule and later on our own dictator, Rafael Trujillo, over the country to commit atrocities.

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aghomi_daniel Apr 18, 2026 +4

There is no “good guy” country

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aquagardener Apr 18, 2026 +101

The US were never the good guys.

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nightingale-nitemare Apr 18, 2026 +30

If you ever thought there were good and bad guys, you were wrong

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databoops Apr 19, 2026 +3

Has there ever been a good guy empire?

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Negative-Squirrel81 Apr 18, 2026 +27

We weren't the good guys, but we weren't self-destructive either. The last year and a half of foreign and domestic policy is outright incoherent nonsense.

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Few_Dig_9435 Apr 18, 2026 +29

even this is wrong, yes we have always been this way. * [**Operation LAC**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Operation+LAC&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAB) **(Large Area Coverage):** In the 1950s, the Army sprayed zinc cadmium sulfide—a chemical thought to be a carcinogen—over multiple U.S. and Canadian cities to simulate chemical weapon dispersal. * [**St. Louis Dispersion**](https://www.google.com/search?q=St.+Louis+Dispersion&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAD)**:** During the 1950s and 60s, the Army sprayed chemicals on the predominantly Black Pruitt-Igoe housing project, leading to long-term health concerns from residents regarding cancer and rare diseases. * [**Edgewood/Aberdeen Experiments**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Edgewood%2FAberdeen+Experiments&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAF) **(1955–1975):** Approximately 7,000 soldiers were exposed to over 250 different chemicals, including nerve agents and incapacitating agents like BZ. * [**Project MKULTRA**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Project+MKULTRA&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAH) **(1950s–60s):** The CIA ran a secret program administering LSD and other drugs to unwitting citizens to study mind control and interrogation techniques. Tulsa massacre, internment camps in WW2, boarding schools for native American children, atomic testing near small towns, Iran Contra Affair, Slavery, the list goes on and on and on... and this is just the shit they did to our own citizens. Just because most of the populace ignores it or doesnt bother to learn about it doesnt mean we've ever been "good guys"

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Negative-Squirrel81 Apr 18, 2026 +4

I understand at least the perceived benefits of many of those abhorrent policies. The Trump administration is championing causes like... vaccine denial?! Trying to take over Greenland?! Ripping up trade agreements that Trump negotiated during his first term?! Random tariffs?!

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PM_tanlines Apr 18, 2026 -1

WWII we were objectively the “good guys” but anyone thinking any government is ever the good guy is naive

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International_Goat31 Apr 18, 2026 +14

The US joined the war several years in. All after both the government and the public supported refusing Jewish refugees asylum. There was widespread support for the Nazis in both the news and in business until the US got involved more actively. During this period they were charging their allies for any help they gave. They locked their own ethnically Japanese citizens in camps after stealing their property (which was never returned) all while their white soldiers were trying (violently) to actively enforce their racial segregation in countries that didn't do that (with fairly frequent sexual abuse and violence towards the locals on top too). They have since spent the next 70+ years telling everyone that there's no possible way that they could have won without them. They nuked two cities killing countless civilians. They were *definitely* not the good guys during that period. Everything the US did was motivated by self interest.

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Xefert Apr 18, 2026 +7

>The US joined the war several years in. All after both the government and the public supported refusing Jewish refugees asylum. There was widespread support for the Nazis We were among the nations most affected by the depression The war powers act didn't exist Despite the lack of congressional approval for war, FDR wasn't sitting around for the first two years https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/lend-lease >They have since spent the next 70+ years telling everyone that there's no possible way that they could have won without them And in what objective manner do you disagree? The nazis did trash a lot of factories throughout europe

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International_Goat31 Apr 19, 2026 +1

I don't deny that the US contributed massively to the outcome we saw. Europe would be **very** differently shaped today if they *hadn't* been present. Without lend-lease the other side *would* probably have won. I think we both agree on all of these points? (Correct me if not). Where our opinions probably diverge is that I think that the Soviets and the UK would have *eventually* won out without US soldiers present. There would just have been a **lot** more dead Soviet and British individuals, and modern Europe would be a lot more Russian-flavoured. (I don't think this is too uncommon a belief these days?) I do think the US played a large role in what *actually* happened, but I don't think the war was guaranteed lost without them physically present. I welcome input from those who think differently because we are, of course, discussing historical what-ifs at this point.

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Nervous_Produce1800 Apr 19, 2026 +1

>They have since spent the next 70+ years telling everyone that there's no possible way that they could have won without them. Which Stalin, Khrushchev, and Zhukov all agreed with. Some people are just more educated than you on the matter

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roughtimes Apr 18, 2026 +4

Kinda waited till the last moment on that one.

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PM_tanlines Apr 18, 2026 +2

Not really. The US bankrolled Europe before joining (Lend-Lease), during, and after the war. The reason Western Europe was able to rebound so quickly after the war was directly because of the Marshal Plan

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roughtimes Apr 18, 2026 +6

Sure, there but there were also a lot of companies that had working relationships with both sides. Before, during and after.

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Clw89pitt Apr 18, 2026 +3

Americans did a lot of racist and evil shit during WW2. The only leg you have to stand on is that America's opponents were doing a genocide and mass raping the Pacific. Doesn't really mean America was "good", except by comparison.

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Spankpocalypse_Now Apr 18, 2026 +20

The country was built on genocide and slavery. The US were the good guys once - during WWII - but that was due to happenstance more than ideology or morals. Since then America has been a force of misery and greed, from Palestine to Libya to Cuba to Vietnam abroad and from lynchings, private prisons, poverty, and shit healthcare at home.

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Tsaxen Apr 18, 2026 +21

Let's keep it straight, the USA only stepped into WWII due to the Japanese attacking, until that point they were pretty happy to just sit on the sidelines(or in many cases, have literal Nazi rallies), calling them the "Good Guys" even then is generous. Not to mention the whole "nuked 2 cities full of civilians" thing(miss me with the "it was the only way to force Japan to surrender", your military had a shiny new toy and they wanted an excuse to use it)

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Ok-Transportation169 Apr 18, 2026 +2

Bro objectively, it would have been far bloodier for both sides. Bombing a city entirely is never a good idea, but the allies already been annhilating civilians with napalm, and had wiped out cities of refugees in Germany. WW2 was the worst event in history because it robbed countries of the capacity to care for life. If it hadn't happened millions more would have died. And given Japan's monstrous r*** and infanticide across Asia and the Pacific, they 100% needed to be stopped and stripped of a military. Make no mistake, America was horrible to civilians, but the Imperial Japanese were vastly worse.

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RaspberryFluid6651 Apr 19, 2026 +2

A lot of people hold a perspective like this because it hasn't been challenged, but it's junk for several reasons. 1. It requires Japanese leadership to see the bombs as an existential threat on their own, and for that to motivate them to surrender. Japanese leaders *already* thought they were under an existential threat - *their rivers were on fire* \- and had expressed the view that it was preferable for every Japanese person to die in resistance than it was for them to surrender. 2. Enough of Japan's military leadership wanted to continue the war badly enough that they tried to stage a coup to prevent the surrender. *Military* confidence was not broken by the bombs. 3. Before the surrender, public unrest was rising and Japan was losing the mandate they had maintained through their fanaticism and propaganda. 4. Most importantly, people are unaware of the context that two days before the surrender, the USSR invaded Japan and began claiming Japanese islands for itself. 5. Hirohito's speech to the *public* claimed the bomb was the reason, but his private speech to the *military* said that the surrender was because of the Soviets. Fascism is a death cult. A fanatical, nationalist, fascist culture like the one in Japan at the time does not break out of fear of death. Germany resisted and never relented until the nation fell entirely. The bombs did not break Japan. What broke Japan was the Soviet invasion. By 1945, the Soviet appetite for annexation was well understood, and two days before Hirohito surrendered, the USSR invaded and began occupying territory. The threat of losing to America was death and destruction. That was preferable to dishonor... but the threat of losing to the USSR was *permanent subjugation* by what was, to them, an inferior people. That is not something a fascist can stomach.

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Ok-Transportation169 Apr 19, 2026 +1

Uh huh. So let me get this straight, they chose to be subjugated by America over the Soviets because they preferred us even though we dropped all the napalm on them? That doesn't make sense, and sounds like cold war soviet propaganda. They were abundantly prepared to fight with all of their civilians for a mainland invasion. They gave up because the allies could destroy the entire island without setting foot on it.

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Few_Dig_9435 Apr 18, 2026 +2

Lets also keep it even more straight, Japan was already willing to surrender with a caveat that the emperor stayed the same. we nuked two cities and killed 250k+ people because the US wasnt happy with the terms of the surrender. The allies wanted it to be unconditional and Japan wanted it to be conditional. we also fire bombed 60 cities and killed 300k+ people prior to dropping nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

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jermster Apr 18, 2026 +2

“I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.” - The Patrician, *Guards, Guards!* by Terry Pratchett

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Early-Sort8817 Apr 18, 2026 +2

If you believe that you definitely need to read more history. And not the whitewashed conservative nonsense

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Past_Page_4281 Apr 18, 2026

Thays what we told ourselves is the right way to put it. What happened in Hiroshima Nagasaki was plain evil, so was vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, palestine, lebabon and everything the us has touched. US has always been evil, they just always had control over the narrative.

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FrogsJumpFromPussy Apr 18, 2026 +1

They're not the good guys for a very long time.

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kofybean Apr 18, 2026

What makes a country good? Which country is the good guy in your terms?

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Ok-Seaworthiness4488 Apr 18, 2026 -3

We welcomed immigrants being a land of immigrants. We donated and provided humanitarian aid internationally more than anyone for decades. Promoted democracy and global trade that helped many poorer nations develop. This while also doing dirty things, but rarely in this world are things cut and dry.

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Ancient_Sun_2061 Apr 18, 2026

Good guys? Good guys don’t go around bullying others at the pretext of nuclear weapons or other imaginary threats. And no, this was not the first time. US blatantly violated human rights (Vietnam war is one example) in the past, yet they act as self appointed world police.

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Kindly-Ad-5071 Apr 18, 2026 +1

When I was a child, I had heard about some kind of genocide happening in another country, the Rwanda thing maybe I can't remember. But I do remember thinking "oh shit this is going to be the big thing of my generation, where we go and liberate these people being slaughtered, just like in ww2." When it ended up being ignored, forgotten, and moved on from was the moment I realized that the "good guys" narrative was bullshit. We were never the good guys. Any good we caused was accidental. We only ever cared about ourselves, and not even that very good.

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nigel_pow Apr 19, 2026 +1

We weren't the good guys dude. Not once in the history of the country me thinks. Now we operate in idgaf mode with Trump.

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ginsunuva Apr 18, 2026

The concept of good and bad sides is actually engrained from abrahamic religions in society. There exist nations without those

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mikakikamagika Apr 19, 2026 +8

what is their justification for this?? it’s just straight up human trafficking

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Oldenlame Apr 19, 2026 +3

Cobalt won't mine itself.

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BuccaneerRex Apr 19, 2026 +23

Transporting people not convicted of crimes to places where they will be enslaved, tortured, or killed is human trafficking and slavery. If they didn't commit any crimes, then the only legal basis for deportation is the civil violation of bad paperwork. And that is the ONLY punishment that is permitted: the rectification of the civil infraction. If they DID commit crimes, then they are being deprived of due process by being punished without trial. Violation of their 13 and 14th Amendment rights. IF they DID have a trial, then their 8th Amendment rights are being violated through cruel and unusual punishment of being unpersoned into a strange country. You can't have deportation be both a civil matter that is exempt from judicial branch control AND a criminal punishment. We're going to have to put a lot of people in jail when we get this country back under control. They'd better hope that we're kinder to people then they are.

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strangejosh Apr 18, 2026 +21

How is this not Cruel & Unusual Punishment?? The [Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) states that "cruel and unusual punishments \[shall not be\] inflicted." The general principles that the [United States Supreme Court](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court) relied on to decide whether or not a particular punishment was cruel and unusual were determined by [Justice William Brennan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Brennan).[^(\[5\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment#cite_note-5) In [*Furman v. Georgia*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_v._Georgia), [408](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_cases,_volume_408) [U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Reports) [238](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/408/238/) (1972), Justice Brennan concurring wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'." * The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity", especially [torture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture). * "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion." ([*Furman v. Georgia*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_v._Georgia) temporarily suspended [capital punishment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment) for this reason.) * "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society." * "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

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o_MrBombastic_o Apr 19, 2026 +4

Republicans hate the Constitution and it's values and are fascist who believe the only laws and rights are the ones they get to give

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Shot-Possibility-399 Apr 18, 2026 +3

Because according to the republicans they don't get rights

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The3rdLetter Apr 19, 2026 +14

Why did I read this as Doctor Congo?

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gakel34 Apr 19, 2026 +1

You are not alone

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NotAboutWords Apr 19, 2026 -3

Probably because you're dumb and think this is a good time to try to make a joke

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Ekillaa22 Apr 18, 2026 +8

So… did we just ship them free slave labor ?

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0Hakuna_Matata0 Apr 18, 2026 +42

I was on a thread a while back that was what was the sketchiest country you’ve been to. My wife is from Colombia and I’ve been a bunch of times. It’s not safe if you don’t have people to visit with. One comment was: DRC I was working and driving in the countryside and stopped at a checkpoint and asked if this region was okay. The officer said better not go there. You have blue eyes. They will probably eat you. Guerrilla fighters? No, DRC army, they are hungry. No matter what happens in Colombia that’s not a concern to me

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Talkjar Apr 18, 2026 +20

What a bullshit story, like you are in DRC already and you are asking an officer at the checkpoint if it’s safe to go? I’ll take things that never happened for 1000. Kinshasa is generally fine, it’s a common knowledge that ituri, North / South Kiwu are the no go zones. I lived in Lubumbashi and with general precautions it’s ok, there are far worse countries on the African continent

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0Hakuna_Matata0 Apr 18, 2026 -5

There are a lot of people from the global north who sign up for NGO’s who don’t know what country they will go to of their specifics. I can tell you a lot about extreme danger in Colombia that comes in different flavors in different regions. And then you have people commenting on my comment that are entirely oblivious to the danger. The further from the capitol. The more paramilitary and guerrilla groups have checkpoints and kidnappings, if not outright massacres. And so many people have no idea.

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UnitSmall2200 Apr 18, 2026 +6

DRC is Congo, not Columbia. Have you ever been to Congo? Sounds like your DRC story is just something you read on another sub and seem to think it was about Columbia. The guy who replied to you doesn't believe the Congo story because he has lived there. He did not say anything about Columbia. Why are you talking about Columbia when this story is about Congo.

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VariationFearless632 Apr 18, 2026 +33

Blue eyes and they will eat you huh? You should run for president

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Emergency-Pack-5497 Apr 18, 2026 +23

what do you mean colombia is not safe if you dont have people to visit with? people visit all the time with no problems

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0Hakuna_Matata0 Apr 18, 2026 +3

You’re running a risk. Last time I was in bogota my wife’s friend told us about her male friend also a native to bogota who got drugged with scopolamine by a taxi driver. He just got driven around to ATM’s and dropped off at home. That’s the luckiest scenario. Then you have guerrilla fighters in the countryside. Common criminals. We accidentally wandered into a narco bar where we had to pay $25 for a bottle of bud light each before we could leave. I’m glad you think Colombia is safe though.

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Morighant Apr 18, 2026 -2

Safe if you're not a moron. I went by myself and took many precautions and I was fine, but I wasn't an idiot and knew what not to do. Now if you're walking down Medellín at night wearing a gold necklace and your phone out, that's on you lol. I'm a white guy, but I'm an intermediate level of Spanish though, results may vary

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FizzgigsRevenge Apr 18, 2026 +18

Here's why I get mad a Democrats and claim they're not doing enough to stop this heinous shit. All it would take is the leadership to go on TV and say "We just want everyone in the world to know that as soon as we're back in power, we're sanctioning the ever living shit out of any nation that accepts these illegally deported people."

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Evilkenevil77 Apr 18, 2026 +6

I hope to God this administration is held accountable for what it is doing to people. This is unacceptable.

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Captain_Reseda Apr 19, 2026 +3

Deporting people to random places they have zero ties to. Aka human trafficking.

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Romek_himself Apr 19, 2026 +1

they are from south africa and congo is africa - africa is africa! propably the thinking of this racists in the white house

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firthy Apr 18, 2026 +3

Kemi Badenoch getting moist at the thought of this bullshit

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seriousbusinesslady Apr 19, 2026 +4

explain to me how this isn't straight up kidnapping?!?!?!

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pudding7 Apr 18, 2026 +2

What happens when they arrive? Are they just kicked out the airport and they're on their own? Or do they go straight to prison forever?

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res0jyyt1 Apr 18, 2026 +2

Straight to gold mines

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TheMailerDaemonLives Apr 18, 2026 +2

Oh good, send them to one of the most dangerous places they could go, real nice fuckwads

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getapuss Apr 18, 2026 +1

Dr. Congo is very generous.

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RoarOfTheWorlds Apr 18, 2026

Unironic Republican logic: Well if they didn’t want to be sold into slavery and murdered in a civil war, they shouldn’t have tried to walk into the US and claim asylum

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kwan2 Apr 19, 2026 +1

DRC on average lives on roughly $200/month. Place has hardly any infrastructure in which modern people can understand, let alone thrive in.

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SpaceXmars Apr 18, 2026 -2

So they are being sold as slaves..

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Mikethebest78 Apr 19, 2026 +1

If it seems unnecessarily cruel remember that is the entire point.

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Xenophonehome Apr 18, 2026

This is what the ancient Assyrians would do to people. They did it to strip people of hope and dignity and keep them confused and dependent.

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squatch42 Apr 18, 2026 +1

Trump played the African slave trade Uno Reverse card

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21Savvy Apr 19, 2026 +1

Nobody will do anything about it. Evil government

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Real_politics46 Apr 18, 2026

Those ppl have nothing but horrible fates now

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TRtheCat Apr 19, 2026 +1

What could go wrong at this location?

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RichardCalvin Apr 19, 2026 +1

Hopefully these people will get food stamps and a free cell phone at least- and a sweet motel while they are there !

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2enty4 Apr 19, 2026 -2

Didn't the UN just pass slavery being a human rights violation? Of course the US is always exempt

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DR Congo accepts first set of deportees from the US

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