We dont even know who or how many are being sent. How are we ensuring their safety and that they are not being sent to slavery or their death?
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ArchAngel62117 hr ago
+149
Honestly, what do they do once they get there?
Did we just send whoever we want on the flight without a care?
Imagine if China or Russia began deporting Americans to the ME.
Edit: Russia has sent American Expats to the front.
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MooKids15 hr ago
+36
Maybe the Texas method, where they just bussed migrants to blue cities and set them loose.
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DawnSennin8 hr ago
+1
> Imagine if China or Russia began deporting Americans to the ME.
Given the numerous amount of military bases in the region, those deportees won’t be staying for too long.
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fallingdowndizzyvr16 hr ago
+42
> How are we ensuring their safety and that they are not being sent to slavery or their death?
We don't. Trump doesn't care.
https://lulac.org/news/pr/Migrants_Deported_By_Trump_Administration_Have_Been_Killed_Upon_Returning_To_Dangerous_Conditions/
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Mortiis0717 hr ago
+100
Why would you think they'd have any safety or chance or surviving?
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MaygarRodub17 hr ago
+10
That's the question being asked. I can hear your tone of voice in this comment and it's not a meaningful addition to the conversation.
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agk2316 hr ago
+8
That’s not the question that was asked though. The first question implies that the goal is to responsibly deport them.
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MaygarRodub16 hr ago
+7
"How are we ensuring their safety and that they are not being sent to slavery or their death?"
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Teantis10 hr ago
+2
The US isn't. Why do you think this admin and this American government would think about that at all?
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OdosSolidAdventures17 hr ago
+13
That cobalt isn't going to mine themselves...
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PigletCatapult12 hr ago
+4
If it is like other countries, the Trump administration, and therefore the US tax payers are PAYING these countries to take the deportees. These are not one time fees per deportee, but an ongoing revenue stream. How many, and who are likely on an invoice somewhere, but I would bet that is classified Top Secret due to the national security implication of the United States trafficking people to foreign enterprises.
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Thor426911 hr ago
+2
The Nazis kept their death camps outside of Germany's borders...
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shaka893P17 hr ago
+4
I mean, if you read the article, it says right there 15 people from South American countries
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bandalooper16 hr ago
+10
And of course we can absolutely trust what DHS told them, right?
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Shot-Possibility-39916 hr ago
+1
Hahaha we aren't
That's the point, the cruelty.
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BusyHands_18 hr ago
+2211
Sending people to non-home countries is nothing more than a wilful act of hatred against them.
Zero support, language barrier, cultural barriers. They know it will greatly reduce the chance of survival for them.
History books are going to be busy documenting this admin for decades to come.
2211
ratbaby8617 hr ago
+625
Reportedly, people were sent to South Sudan, an active war zone on the brink of total famine. "Cruelty" doesn't even come close to describing actions like this -- it's sadism. These dumb fascists are psychotically evil.
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artquestionaccount14 hr ago
+89
As are all those that support them. Don't forget that. They are all actively complicit. I bet if you brought up these deportations and even deaths resulting from them, your average Republican wouldn't care and would probably say something to the effect of "well, they committed a crime by coming here, so they deserve it".
All of them that support this are monsters. Make sure you don't forgive them or let them forget that.
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o_MrBombastic_o11 hr ago
+18
You can see Republicans saying literally that in so many threads they are failed people and they should not feel welcomed in civil society
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prettydisappointed17 hr ago
+47
I agree that this is evil, and this doesn't really help anything, but you're mixing up South Sudan/Sudan. They were sent to South Sudan, but Sudan is the one in the middle of a war.
South Sudan is in no way stable, though.
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ratbaby8617 hr ago
+148
I am not mixing anything up...
UN warns South Sudan at risk of ‘full-scale famine’ as fighting intensifies:
UN aid chief Tom Fletcher says hunger is tightening its grip amid rising humanitarian needs and intensifying fighting.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/17/un-warns-south-sudan-at-risk-of-full-scale-famine-as-fighting-intensifies
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prettydisappointed16 hr ago
+16
Interesting, I didn't realize their previous agreement had expired.
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White_Immigrant9 hr ago
+1
I don't think the USA is psychotic, the Americans look like they know precisely what they're doing. They ran out of living room to conquer unless they go after Canada, Mexico or Greenland, so the alternative is to expel people from the land instead.
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RedditIsGay_800813 hr ago
+17
Are you guys just gonna ignore this dudes profile pic
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tehawesomedragon12 hr ago
+20
Best to ignore his profile altogether lol
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YodaYogurt14 hr ago
+5
And yet, US citizens do absolutely nothing to stop this from happening. No wonder the Trump administration is so comfortable violating people's rights and operating as Nazi Germany 2.0
5
NickCostanza18 hr ago
+240
Utter cruelty. The next administration must bring all of these deportees back and send those who put them there in their place.
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Skinnieguy17 hr ago
+106
3 years from now is a long time. I hope their families find a way to support them. At least send them back to their home at the very least
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Ragnarok31415917 hr ago
+64
There is only two sad paths: they are held for ransom and the family extorted until good people are elected, or they disappear forever and suffer the fate of slaves.
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Skinnieguy17 hr ago
+18
Yeah. I’ve thought of that. Maybe they have a love one who will do anything to get them to safety. Odds are against them
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fallingdowndizzyvr16 hr ago
+10
> Maybe they have a love one who will do anything to get them to safety.
What possibly would that be? They are in this situation since they had no means to begin with.
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fallingdowndizzyvr16 hr ago
+10
> 3 years from now is a long time.
I admire your optimism that this will end in 3 years.
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Swiftax317 hr ago
+14
Let us not delude ourselves either... for a lot of these people, the US *is* their home. Its where they lived, worked, knew people, and was more a home than wherever they originally came from years or even decades ago. That is after all, the sole appeal of America... the promise of a place where anyone tired, poor, huddled masses etc could build a new life. Their only real crime was believing that lie.
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Skinnieguy16 hr ago
+10
Oh I know a few ppl are “hiding” cus they know if they get deported, they’ll never be able to come back to the US. If they get caught, they are hoping they get return to their home country cus at least they had support. And these ppl been here for 30+ years. I know a few of them were Trump supporters too. The irony…
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RedditPoster0517 hr ago
+7
That’s the problem, though these people are stateless in a way. They are in the USA illegally and their home countries don’t want them back because they can’t really prove that they are from those places even though they probably are.
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Skinnieguy16 hr ago
+7
I’m a naturalized citizen for 30+ years but if somehow it gets revoked and I get deported, I’m SOL cus I don’t have any documents proving my country origin besides what I said on my application and a DNA test.
7
UncreativeIndieDev17 hr ago
+57
Unfortunately, they're most likely just going to end up dead or missing. These people are being sent to authoritarian nations that already don't have a good track record for how they handle their own people and refugees in general.
The impetus on the next administration will more be about going scorched Earth against every single official in Trump’s administration and every government that happily worked with him to ensure this shit can never happen again.
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Mizerous17 hr ago
+11
It will happen again Trump got elected twice Republicans will ensure they will do this again.
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karatekidmar17 hr ago
+4
Yeah I doubt Trump will act differently in his third term.
4
Old-Suspect412917 hr ago
+5
Sad but so scarily true. I keep thinking he's so old and unhealthy and hoping to wake up to the news of his end while I slept. It's this that keeps me going most.
5
NetZeroSun17 hr ago
+24
Unfortunately dems have no backbone outside some frowns and strong worded letters.
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UncreativeIndieDev17 hr ago
+11
Some have one, but the leadership completely and utterly sucks. I don't quite know if I would say they are literally acting on behalf of Republicans as controlled opposition (they are funded by companies and oligarchs) or they are just ideologically stupid and think letting the country go to shit is a good political strategy.
I hope that the midterms can lead to an ouster of current Democratic leadership.
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eNte1917 hr ago
+7
Neither have republicans as Trump was their only winning bid. Not one stepped up.
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skyofgold13 hr ago
+6
Wtf is your profile photo
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fastolfe0017 hr ago
+16
Let's not forget the people we sent to El Salvador, and paid the Salvadoran government millions of dollars *to literally f****** torture them*. This shit isn't hyperbole.
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BriefStrategy616 hr ago
+6
Oh El Salvador is f****** nothing compared to DR Congo. This is the cruelest thing US could do to these people. It's disgusting!
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markth_wi17 hr ago
+23
I'm sure they'll burn every bit of evidence so they can never be convicted. But if you told me a bunch of guys went around airing out former administration officials because they pissed off the wrong billionaire that wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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kstargate-42517 hr ago
+18
Last countries who took them held them as prisoners, indefinitely. Doubt its going to be any different here and they'll end up slaves or dead.
Its human trafficking and slave trading all over again 🤬
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AKM021517 hr ago
+8
EU voted to do this too. It’s absolutely horrible.
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UbajaraMalok17 hr ago
+6
I don't know how this isn't a crime against humanity
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cholointheskies14 hr ago
+5
In the US, if someone has a withhold of deportation, it's illegal to send them to their home country. You have to send them to a third country.
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InternImpossible868517 hr ago
-11
it is, but americans dont care.
-11
Aviyan14 hr ago
+2
In rare cases it is preferable. A couple people got killed when they were sent back to their home country. They were escaping the violence.
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seriousbusinesslady13 hr ago
+1
history is written by the victors, so here's to hoping it gets documented to disgust future generations
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Dairy_Ashford12 hr ago
+1
> Sending people to non-home countries is nothing more than a wilful act of hatred against them.
>
>
i wonder if it's some kind of bad faith, passive aggreessive response to refugee applicants, who assert that they can't safely live in or return to their home countries.
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maledictt9 hr ago
+1
Actually isn't it human trafficking?
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NUMBerONEisFIRST8 hr ago
+1
*a bunch of things that would get me banned if I typed them out*
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Few_Advisor353615 hr ago
+1
So the intention is death row with extra steps.
EDIT: what i mean is that their actual intension but almost a ‘loophole’ so they arent directly killing these people. Basically “if he dies, he dies” mentality.
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CharmingScholarette17 hr ago
-3
oof put your c*** away bro wut you doing lol
-3
dovahbe4r16 hr ago
+9
Yeah I think bro forgot to switch accounts lol
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SayNoToFirefighters14 hr ago
+5
lol he got a post measuring "himself" ...cant make this up
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wabashcanonball17 hr ago
-4
It is gravely more: a crime against humanity.
-4
Doub1eVision17 hr ago
It’s human trafficking
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jazznessa17 hr ago
-8
No worries, history won't be kind by Americans who had all this information and yet did nothing.
-8
Dreurmimker17 hr ago
-3
Let’s not mince words… It’s human trafficking.
-3
MeteorPunch17 hr ago
-19
I mean they had the option of:
1. Not coming here illegally.
2. Going back to where they came from prior to being deported.
People can't blame the government for their own bad choices.
-19
Slight-Hedgehog25915 hr ago
+4
Many of rhem.disnt come.here illegally. They came here as asylum seekers and had protective status which the Trump administration then took away and made them illegals. Their crime is that they are not white. Trump made that pretty clear.
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warmike_115 hr ago
-1
Then they should have gone back. Migrants from countries that have no active war or natural disaster should not be given refugee status.
-1
White_Immigrant9 hr ago
+1
Bit rich coming from people living in a settler colonial state. Your country was founded by illegal immigrants mate.
1
EmergencyCucumber90517 hr ago
+71
[https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/democratic-republic-of-the-congo](https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/democratic-republic-of-the-congo)
> Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: arbitrary or unlawful killings; disappearances; torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment; involuntary or coercive medical or psychological practices; arbitrary arrest or detention; serious abuses in a conflict; unlawful recruitment or use of children in armed conflict by armed groups or the armed forces, including by the Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo; serious restrictions on freedom of expression and media freedom; and the significant presence of the worst forms of child labor.
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DJGlennW17 hr ago
+141
So they're snatching working people off the streets, away from their families, and dumping them in a country with no language skills, no income, and no way of getting money (with no passports???) and just leaving them there?
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whydontyousuckmyball15 hr ago
+60
And we are paying for it.
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TrevelyansPorn13 hr ago
+21
They're not entering those countries as free people. US taxpayers are paying governments to lock them in a camp until they are dead.
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nigel_pow14 hr ago
+4
That's probably the deterrent.
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YodaForceGhost17 hr ago
+96
This what people who voted for the guy wanted to happen. Sucks to see but unfortunately it’s what the majority of voters wanted
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burnthatburner117 hr ago
+28
True. They *want* the cruelty.
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markth_wi17 hr ago
+14
They will be the most surprised people in the incinerators when the Trump people finally get around to them.
14
Ok-Seaworthiness448817 hr ago
+176
The US used to be the good guys, at least that's what we told ourselves. Now we can't even do that anymore
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raoulbrancaccio16 hr ago
+47
>at least that's what we told ourselves
Heavy focus on this
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artquestionaccount14 hr ago
+4
It was never true. We occasionally do something good (we stopped the Nazis,yay), but we generally make the world a worse place so we can benefit from it. Usually so specifically the rich people here can benefit from it.
The United States has long been one of the prime evils of the world.
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BusyHands_17 hr ago
+113
"Good guys".
US has always operated on doctrine that ensured their security was #1. Security in terms of way of life, access to natural resources (oil, minerals).
So " good" only if the locals agree with them. See what they did to Haiti in 1900s with the Marine dictatorship or vs Iran when they wanted to nationalize their oil.
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OGLikeablefellow15 hr ago
+14
Yeah, but what about when their propaganda was good and there was a mono pop culture and I didn't know we weren't the good guys, that's what I miss.
Edit /s
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2enty412 hr ago
You miss being oblivious to all the atrocities your countries has committed while condemning many others?
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OGLikeablefellow11 hr ago
+2
Ignorance is bliss
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NickoBicko11 hr ago
+2
Below the commenter said ignorance is bliss. But I think there was something more than that. There was a hope. You knew it was BS. But those who were optimistic always hoped “well if only the people knew, they wouldn’t approve”. But the reality is that most don’t care. The banality of evil etc.
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antizana14 hr ago
+4
Lol, you think any of that was security and not just access for US corporations to make $$?
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artquestionaccount14 hr ago
+6
Or when we took over the Dominican Republic during WWI. We installed brutal military rule and later on our own dictator, Rafael Trujillo, over the country to commit atrocities.
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aghomi_daniel15 hr ago
+4
There is no “good guy” country
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aquagardener17 hr ago
+101
The US were never the good guys.
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nightingale-nitemare17 hr ago
+30
If you ever thought there were good and bad guys, you were wrong
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databoops13 hr ago
+3
Has there ever been a good guy empire?
3
Negative-Squirrel8117 hr ago
+27
We weren't the good guys, but we weren't self-destructive either. The last year and a half of foreign and domestic policy is outright incoherent nonsense.
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Few_Dig_943516 hr ago
+29
even this is wrong, yes we have always been this way.
* [**Operation LAC**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Operation+LAC&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAB) **(Large Area Coverage):** In the 1950s, the Army sprayed zinc cadmium sulfide—a chemical thought to be a carcinogen—over multiple U.S. and Canadian cities to simulate chemical weapon dispersal.
* [**St. Louis Dispersion**](https://www.google.com/search?q=St.+Louis+Dispersion&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAD)**:** During the 1950s and 60s, the Army sprayed chemicals on the predominantly Black Pruitt-Igoe housing project, leading to long-term health concerns from residents regarding cancer and rare diseases.
* [**Edgewood/Aberdeen Experiments**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Edgewood%2FAberdeen+Experiments&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAF) **(1955–1975):** Approximately 7,000 soldiers were exposed to over 250 different chemicals, including nerve agents and incapacitating agents like BZ.
* [**Project MKULTRA**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Project+MKULTRA&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1196US1196&oq=chemical+testing+on+us+citizens&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDMzMjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfBFTFPKsdiqRO_ts3h6mM2JoUoe-mwqvbC1jcvGC4V3mrfEM7HxlKgwyD8PADV6qmy4JiaoSp83galjM-WH7eMAiRghscJrcHzTuTWeW_2bCYHmO6i8kU97gCIby1e7JDRhFGiN0hUZXTxAgzwTmve0jd9FluOR-VrYYgjzXiRwQF8&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiunoyDuPiTAxVE_wIHHQDYNpkQgK4QegQIAxAH) **(1950s–60s):** The CIA ran a secret program administering LSD and other drugs to unwitting citizens to study mind control and interrogation techniques.
Tulsa massacre, internment camps in WW2, boarding schools for native American children, atomic testing near small towns, Iran Contra Affair, Slavery, the list goes on and on and on... and this is just the shit they did to our own citizens. Just because most of the populace ignores it or doesnt bother to learn about it doesnt mean we've ever been "good guys"
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Negative-Squirrel8115 hr ago
+4
I understand at least the perceived benefits of many of those abhorrent policies. The Trump administration is championing causes like... vaccine denial?! Trying to take over Greenland?! Ripping up trade agreements that Trump negotiated during his first term?! Random tariffs?!
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PM_tanlines17 hr ago
-1
WWII we were objectively the “good guys” but anyone thinking any government is ever the good guy is naive
-1
International_Goat3116 hr ago
+14
The US joined the war several years in. All after both the government and the public supported refusing Jewish refugees asylum. There was widespread support for the Nazis in both the news and in business until the US got involved more actively. During this period they were charging their allies for any help they gave.
They locked their own ethnically Japanese citizens in camps after stealing their property (which was never returned) all while their white soldiers were trying (violently) to actively enforce their racial segregation in countries that didn't do that (with fairly frequent sexual abuse and violence towards the locals on top too).
They have since spent the next 70+ years telling everyone that there's no possible way that they could have won without them.
They nuked two cities killing countless civilians. They were *definitely* not the good guys during that period. Everything the US did was motivated by self interest.
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Xefert15 hr ago
+7
>The US joined the war several years in. All after both the government and the public supported refusing Jewish refugees asylum. There was widespread support for the Nazis
We were among the nations most affected by the depression
The war powers act didn't exist
Despite the lack of congressional approval for war, FDR wasn't sitting around for the first two years https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/lend-lease
>They have since spent the next 70+ years telling everyone that there's no possible way that they could have won without them
And in what objective manner do you disagree? The nazis did trash a lot of factories throughout europe
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International_Goat316 hr ago
+1
I don't deny that the US contributed massively to the outcome we saw. Europe would be **very** differently shaped today if they *hadn't* been present. Without lend-lease the other side *would* probably have won. I think we both agree on all of these points? (Correct me if not).
Where our opinions probably diverge is that I think that the Soviets and the UK would have *eventually* won out without US soldiers present. There would just have been a **lot** more dead Soviet and British individuals, and modern Europe would be a lot more Russian-flavoured. (I don't think this is too uncommon a belief these days?) I do think the US played a large role in what *actually* happened, but I don't think the war was guaranteed lost without them physically present.
I welcome input from those who think differently because we are, of course, discussing historical what-ifs at this point.
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Nervous_Produce18009 hr ago
+1
>They have since spent the next 70+ years telling everyone that there's no possible way that they could have won without them.
Which Stalin, Khrushchev, and Zhukov all agreed with. Some people are just more educated than you on the matter
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roughtimes17 hr ago
+4
Kinda waited till the last moment on that one.
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PM_tanlines16 hr ago
+2
Not really. The US bankrolled Europe before joining (Lend-Lease), during, and after the war. The reason Western Europe was able to rebound so quickly after the war was directly because of the Marshal Plan
2
roughtimes16 hr ago
+6
Sure, there but there were also a lot of companies that had working relationships with both sides. Before, during and after.
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Clw89pitt16 hr ago
+3
Americans did a lot of racist and evil shit during WW2. The only leg you have to stand on is that America's opponents were doing a genocide and mass raping the Pacific. Doesn't really mean America was "good", except by comparison.
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Spankpocalypse_Now17 hr ago
+20
The country was built on genocide and slavery. The US were the good guys once - during WWII - but that was due to happenstance more than ideology or morals. Since then America has been a force of misery and greed, from Palestine to Libya to Cuba to Vietnam abroad and from lynchings, private prisons, poverty, and shit healthcare at home.
20
Tsaxen17 hr ago
+21
Let's keep it straight, the USA only stepped into WWII due to the Japanese attacking, until that point they were pretty happy to just sit on the sidelines(or in many cases, have literal Nazi rallies), calling them the "Good Guys" even then is generous.
Not to mention the whole "nuked 2 cities full of civilians" thing(miss me with the "it was the only way to force Japan to surrender", your military had a shiny new toy and they wanted an excuse to use it)
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Ok-Transportation16916 hr ago
+2
Bro objectively, it would have been far bloodier for both sides. Bombing a city entirely is never a good idea, but the allies already been annhilating civilians with napalm, and had wiped out cities of refugees in Germany. WW2 was the worst event in history because it robbed countries of the capacity to care for life. If it hadn't happened millions more would have died. And given Japan's monstrous r*** and infanticide across Asia and the Pacific, they 100% needed to be stopped and stripped of a military. Make no mistake, America was horrible to civilians, but the Imperial Japanese were vastly worse.
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RaspberryFluid665114 hr ago
+2
A lot of people hold a perspective like this because it hasn't been challenged, but it's junk for several reasons.
1. It requires Japanese leadership to see the bombs as an existential threat on their own, and for that to motivate them to surrender. Japanese leaders *already* thought they were under an existential threat - *their rivers were on fire* \- and had expressed the view that it was preferable for every Japanese person to die in resistance than it was for them to surrender.
2. Enough of Japan's military leadership wanted to continue the war badly enough that they tried to stage a coup to prevent the surrender. *Military* confidence was not broken by the bombs.
3. Before the surrender, public unrest was rising and Japan was losing the mandate they had maintained through their fanaticism and propaganda.
4. Most importantly, people are unaware of the context that two days before the surrender, the USSR invaded Japan and began claiming Japanese islands for itself.
5. Hirohito's speech to the *public* claimed the bomb was the reason, but his private speech to the *military* said that the surrender was because of the Soviets.
Fascism is a death cult. A fanatical, nationalist, fascist culture like the one in Japan at the time does not break out of fear of death. Germany resisted and never relented until the nation fell entirely. The bombs did not break Japan.
What broke Japan was the Soviet invasion. By 1945, the Soviet appetite for annexation was well understood, and two days before Hirohito surrendered, the USSR invaded and began occupying territory.
The threat of losing to America was death and destruction. That was preferable to dishonor... but the threat of losing to the USSR was *permanent subjugation* by what was, to them, an inferior people. That is not something a fascist can stomach.
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Ok-Transportation16913 hr ago
+1
Uh huh. So let me get this straight, they chose to be subjugated by America over the Soviets because they preferred us even though we dropped all the napalm on them? That doesn't make sense, and sounds like cold war soviet propaganda. They were abundantly prepared to fight with all of their civilians for a mainland invasion. They gave up because the allies could destroy the entire island without setting foot on it.
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Few_Dig_943516 hr ago
+2
Lets also keep it even more straight, Japan was already willing to surrender with a caveat that the emperor stayed the same. we nuked two cities and killed 250k+ people because the US wasnt happy with the terms of the surrender. The allies wanted it to be unconditional and Japan wanted it to be conditional.
we also fire bombed 60 cities and killed 300k+ people prior to dropping nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
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jermster15 hr ago
+2
“I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.” - The Patrician, *Guards, Guards!* by Terry Pratchett
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Early-Sort881715 hr ago
+2
If you believe that you definitely need to read more history. And not the whitewashed conservative nonsense
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Past_Page_428117 hr ago
Thays what we told ourselves is the right way to put it. What happened in Hiroshima Nagasaki was plain evil, so was vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, palestine, lebabon and everything the us has touched. US has always been evil, they just always had control over the narrative.
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FrogsJumpFromPussy16 hr ago
+1
They're not the good guys for a very long time.
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kofybean16 hr ago
What makes a country good? Which country is the good guy in your terms?
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Ok-Seaworthiness448816 hr ago
-3
We welcomed immigrants being a land of immigrants. We donated and provided humanitarian aid internationally more than anyone for decades. Promoted democracy and global trade that helped many poorer nations develop. This while also doing dirty things, but rarely in this world are things cut and dry.
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Ancient_Sun_206115 hr ago
Good guys? Good guys don’t go around bullying others at the pretext of nuclear weapons or other imaginary threats. And no, this was not the first time.
US blatantly violated human rights (Vietnam war is one example) in the past, yet they act as self appointed world police.
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Kindly-Ad-507115 hr ago
+1
When I was a child, I had heard about some kind of genocide happening in another country, the Rwanda thing maybe I can't remember. But I do remember thinking "oh shit this is going to be the big thing of my generation, where we go and liberate these people being slaughtered, just like in ww2." When it ended up being ignored, forgotten, and moved on from was the moment I realized that the "good guys" narrative was bullshit.
We were never the good guys. Any good we caused was accidental. We only ever cared about ourselves, and not even that very good.
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nigel_pow14 hr ago
+1
We weren't the good guys dude. Not once in the history of the country me thinks.
Now we operate in idgaf mode with Trump.
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ginsunuva17 hr ago
The concept of good and bad sides is actually engrained from abrahamic religions in society. There exist nations without those
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mikakikamagika13 hr ago
+8
what is their justification for this?? it’s just straight up human trafficking
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Oldenlame10 hr ago
+3
Cobalt won't mine itself.
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BuccaneerRex14 hr ago
+23
Transporting people not convicted of crimes to places where they will be enslaved, tortured, or killed is human trafficking and slavery.
If they didn't commit any crimes, then the only legal basis for deportation is the civil violation of bad paperwork. And that is the ONLY punishment that is permitted: the rectification of the civil infraction.
If they DID commit crimes, then they are being deprived of due process by being punished without trial. Violation of their 13 and 14th Amendment rights.
IF they DID have a trial, then their 8th Amendment rights are being violated through cruel and unusual punishment of being unpersoned into a strange country.
You can't have deportation be both a civil matter that is exempt from judicial branch control AND a criminal punishment.
We're going to have to put a lot of people in jail when we get this country back under control. They'd better hope that we're kinder to people then they are.
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strangejosh16 hr ago
+21
How is this not Cruel & Unusual Punishment??
The [Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) states that "cruel and unusual punishments \[shall not be\] inflicted." The general principles that the [United States Supreme Court](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court) relied on to decide whether or not a particular punishment was cruel and unusual were determined by [Justice William Brennan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Brennan).[^(\[5\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment#cite_note-5) In [*Furman v. Georgia*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_v._Georgia), [408](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_cases,_volume_408) [U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Reports) [238](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/408/238/) (1972), Justice Brennan concurring wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."
* The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity", especially [torture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture).
* "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion." ([*Furman v. Georgia*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_v._Georgia) temporarily suspended [capital punishment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment) for this reason.)
* "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
* "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."
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o_MrBombastic_o11 hr ago
+4
Republicans hate the Constitution and it's values and are fascist who believe the only laws and rights are the ones they get to give
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Shot-Possibility-39916 hr ago
+3
Because according to the republicans they don't get rights
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The3rdLetter14 hr ago
+14
Why did I read this as Doctor Congo?
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gakel347 hr ago
+1
You are not alone
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NotAboutWords13 hr ago
-3
Probably because you're dumb and think this is a good time to try to make a joke
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Ekillaa2215 hr ago
+8
So… did we just ship them free slave labor ?
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0Hakuna_Matata018 hr ago
+42
I was on a thread a while back that was what was the sketchiest country you’ve been to. My wife is from Colombia and I’ve been a bunch of times. It’s not safe if you don’t have people to visit with. One comment was: DRC I was working and driving in the countryside and stopped at a checkpoint and asked if this region was okay. The officer said better not go there. You have blue eyes. They will probably eat you. Guerrilla fighters? No, DRC army, they are hungry. No matter what happens in Colombia that’s not a concern to me
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Talkjar17 hr ago
+20
What a bullshit story, like you are in DRC already and you are asking an officer at the checkpoint if it’s safe to go? I’ll take things that never happened for 1000.
Kinshasa is generally fine, it’s a common knowledge that ituri, North / South Kiwu are the no go zones. I lived in Lubumbashi and with general precautions it’s ok, there are far worse countries on the African continent
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0Hakuna_Matata017 hr ago
-5
There are a lot of people from the global north who sign up for NGO’s who don’t know what country they will go to of their specifics.
I can tell you a lot about extreme danger in Colombia that comes in different flavors in different regions. And then you have people commenting on my comment that are entirely oblivious to the danger. The further from the capitol. The more paramilitary and guerrilla groups have checkpoints and kidnappings, if not outright massacres. And so many people have no idea.
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UnitSmall220015 hr ago
+6
DRC is Congo, not Columbia. Have you ever been to Congo? Sounds like your DRC story is just something you read on another sub and seem to think it was about Columbia. The guy who replied to you doesn't believe the Congo story because he has lived there. He did not say anything about Columbia. Why are you talking about Columbia when this story is about Congo.
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VariationFearless63217 hr ago
+33
Blue eyes and they will eat you huh? You should run for president
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Emergency-Pack-549717 hr ago
+23
what do you mean colombia is not safe if you dont have people to visit with? people visit all the time with no problems
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0Hakuna_Matata017 hr ago
+3
You’re running a risk. Last time I was in bogota my wife’s friend told us about her male friend also a native to bogota who got drugged with scopolamine by a taxi driver. He just got driven around to ATM’s and dropped off at home. That’s the luckiest scenario. Then you have guerrilla fighters in the countryside. Common criminals. We accidentally wandered into a narco bar where we had to pay $25 for a bottle of bud light each before we could leave. I’m glad you think Colombia is safe though.
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Morighant17 hr ago
-2
Safe if you're not a moron. I went by myself and took many precautions and I was fine, but I wasn't an idiot and knew what not to do. Now if you're walking down Medellín at night wearing a gold necklace and your phone out, that's on you lol. I'm a white guy, but I'm an intermediate level of Spanish though, results may vary
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FizzgigsRevenge17 hr ago
+18
Here's why I get mad a Democrats and claim they're not doing enough to stop this heinous shit. All it would take is the leadership to go on TV and say "We just want everyone in the world to know that as soon as we're back in power, we're sanctioning the ever living shit out of any nation that accepts these illegally deported people."
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Evilkenevil7717 hr ago
+6
I hope to God this administration is held accountable for what it is doing to people. This is unacceptable.
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Captain_Reseda13 hr ago
+3
Deporting people to random places they have zero ties to. Aka human trafficking.
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Romek_himself6 hr ago
+1
they are from south africa and congo is africa - africa is africa! propably the thinking of this racists in the white house
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firthy17 hr ago
+3
Kemi Badenoch getting moist at the thought of this bullshit
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seriousbusinesslady13 hr ago
+4
explain to me how this isn't straight up kidnapping?!?!?!
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pudding716 hr ago
+2
What happens when they arrive? Are they just kicked out the airport and they're on their own? Or do they go straight to prison forever?
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res0jyyt116 hr ago
+2
Straight to gold mines
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TheMailerDaemonLives16 hr ago
+2
Oh good, send them to one of the most dangerous places they could go, real nice fuckwads
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getapuss17 hr ago
+1
Dr. Congo is very generous.
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RoarOfTheWorlds17 hr ago
Unironic Republican logic: Well if they didn’t want to be sold into slavery and murdered in a civil war, they shouldn’t have tried to walk into the US and claim asylum
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kwan26 hr ago
+1
DRC on average lives on roughly $200/month. Place has hardly any infrastructure in which modern people can understand, let alone thrive in.
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SpaceXmars17 hr ago
-2
So they are being sold as slaves..
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Mikethebest7814 hr ago
+1
If it seems unnecessarily cruel remember that is the entire point.
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Xenophonehome16 hr ago
This is what the ancient Assyrians would do to people. They did it to strip people of hope and dignity and keep them confused and dependent.
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squatch4216 hr ago
+1
Trump played the African slave trade Uno Reverse card
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21Savvy13 hr ago
+1
Nobody will do anything about it. Evil government
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Real_politics4617 hr ago
Those ppl have nothing but horrible fates now
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TRtheCat15 hr ago
+1
What could go wrong at this location?
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RichardCalvin12 hr ago
+1
Hopefully these people will get food stamps and a free cell phone at least- and a sweet motel while they are there !
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2enty412 hr ago
-2
Didn't the UN just pass slavery being a human rights violation? Of course the US is always exempt
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