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Episode Count Rant

Posted by armo-djkhalid


I just realized that networks like CBS (and a few others like ABC and NBC) still make shows with 20+ episode seasons that air year round. For context, I don’t really watch shows from these networks aside from binging new Grey’s Anatomy episodes every so often. This just makes me even more annoyed with the streaming model of 8-10 episodes per seasons that take 2-3 years to release (if they don’t get prematurely cancelled). I understand when it comes to CGI heavy shows because CGI does take more time and effort on top of writing, filming and editing seasons, but even then it seems like overkill. For example, I refuse to watch Stranger Things because of the gaps between seasons. I’d rather miss out on a good show than start watching it and find myself Googling “When does season X of (insert show name) release?” or “Has (insert show name) been renewed for season X yet?” Anyways, just needed to rant on this topic 😅

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cgknight1 Apr 2, 2026 +9
The bottom line is that hot actors, directors and producers don't want to do 20 episodes a year.
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chicagoredditer1 Apr 2, 2026
The bottom line is that rich networks/production companies don't want to pay for 20 episodes a year.
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ludicrous_copulator Apr 2, 2026 -8
Well, I don't want to work my job 250 days a year, but here we are
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Starbuck522 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Plus,thry already have enough money to meet all of their needs and wants, so thry are still acting and directing, etc, for other reasons. It totally makes sense to me that some people still want to create, but not so much as to create 20+ hour long episodes a year.
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DarthPallassCat Apr 2, 2026 +2
Yeah but you aren’t a celebrity lmao. You’re an easily replaceable cog in the machine, they are not. They have options.
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Im-A-Tomato-1744 Apr 2, 2026 +1
And you wouldn't have to if you had other jobs to go to... like they do. Unless you think they sit around doing nothing for the rest of the year?
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ludicrous_copulator Apr 2, 2026 -2
It was a joke. That ain't workin...that's the way you do do it
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Ransom__Stoddard Apr 2, 2026 +2
Get your money for nothing
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 -5
I find that hard to believe considering actors aren’t guaranteed roles. You’d think they’d rather sign on to longer running projects than hope something else comes along.
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NativeMasshole Apr 2, 2026 +2
This used to be how it worked, but then tv actors' lives would be dominated by the production schedule trying to push out 20+ episodes a year, leaving not much room for advancing their career. Also, the big streaming shows keep hiring big movie talent, who don't need that steady work anyway, forcing the production to work around their schedules. There's also the factor of scope. The big streaming shows you're comparing to network sitcoms and procedurals usually have a lot wider scope, making them more expensive per episode to produce. Prestige content has *never* had 20 episode seasons. The only reason The Pitt even comes close is because it's shot basically all on one set.
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Im-A-Tomato-1744 Apr 2, 2026 +2
>The only reason The Pitt even comes close is because it's shot basically all on one set. This is such a big influence on both time and cost. Shooting on location is *much* more expensive, a lot more time consuming and requires an awful lot more organisation in a less controlled environment, which can mean things going wrong and more overruns. And the more locations, the more time & expense required.
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NativeMasshole Apr 2, 2026 +2
Which is also what makes it so annoying that these complaints never seem to list the shows that they like that are doing this. Kind of hard to tell you why production is taking so long if we're just going off vague statements and a general sense of things.
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Im-A-Tomato-1744 Apr 2, 2026 +2
What do you mean "which shows"? Its *all* the shows! (That the OPs watch) /s
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Im-A-Tomato-1744 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Signing up to something like Game of Thrones was a long term project. Filming for it was something like 9 months, across 3 different locations and that was all just for 10 episodes per season. High quality on-location TV takes a lot more time and effort (and money!) than your run of the mill 20-odd episode procedural
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cgknight1 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Many actors simply don't think like that -especially ones in demand.
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farseer6 Apr 2, 2026 -3
They are not even doing 8 episodes a year now.
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Adequate_Images Apr 2, 2026 +4
People who don’t watch TV like they used to complaining about how TV isn’t made like it used to be.
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beardiac Apr 2, 2026 +3
I'm on the fence with this one. I agree that it feels like more of a dearth when there are only 8-10 episodes and you have to wait an entire year to see how the cliffhanger from the finale resolves - especially when they release it all at once and you've binged it too fast. But I'm generally ok with it when I know the show has already been picked up for and is filming the next season and it should come out around the same time next year. I'm 100% with you on things like Stranger Things where there ends up being 2 years or more sometimes between seasons - that's just frustrating. But with the network shows you reference, it's often more quantity than quality - many are procedural and have little to no meta-arc to the seasons, and even if they do there are inevitably filler and bottle episodes that don't really add to the story. The streaming model gets rid of most of that in favor of a single, ongoing, coherent story.
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026
Don’t get me wrong, I completely understand the difference in quality, but the fact remains that it’s possible to do without sacrificing quality. I’d be perfectly fine with shorter seasons if I wasn’t waiting months for the next season to get greenlit then another 2-3 years for the next season to drop. At a certain point you get fed up and just give up on a show entirely.
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ijakinov Apr 3, 2026 +1
It’s not possible to do without sacrificing quality, shows like greys anatomy benefit from the fact that it’s procedural and take place in the hospital most of the time. It takes way more time and effort to do things in other style of shows. There’s a reason why movies will spend 2-3 years to make a sequel. Even a “fast tracked” movie sequel takes 2 years to produce 2-3 hours. The more freedom the project the more potential for complexity. Tv shows that become more like movies will start having schedules like one. When tv writers make those 20 episodes shows they work with producers and others folks to make sure wht they write is feasible in order to get out episodes in time. Whereas because there’s no time pressure with streaming this allows writers to not do or not do things because it’s not practical to do in the time and money they have. There’s only a handful of shows that genuinely take 2-3 years for the next season and they are usually the hardest shows to make or there’s conflicts due to invoking movie actors. Most streaming shows come back almost yearly Also when I saw sacrificing quality I don’t mean you won’t still end up liking it. I mean in production quality something go to give. If they got more episodes of stranger things in shorter period of time they are definitely going to cut things and make easier choices in order to achieve that. You might still end up liking what they make but don’t expect no compromise double the episode done early.
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Thavralex Apr 2, 2026 +5
So many of even the shows with "only" 10 episodes are still lacking in quality (like writing). To make twice of that in a shorter time would decrease that quality further, you shouldn't want that.
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colemon1991 Apr 2, 2026 +4
They put all the money on the screen and screenwriting doesn't count to them. It has to look the best with the most popular of actors affordable. USA Network got by with 16 episode seasons just fine. Sounds like a good average to me.
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 -3
And yet those shows run for 3+ seasons, whereas well written and executed shows get axed almost immediately after the first season releases. Kaos being a prime example of recent years. Great show, great writing, cancelled a little over a month after being released.
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xanas263 Apr 2, 2026 +3
>Great show, great writing, cancelled a little over a month after being released. Because no one watched it. At the end of the day shows need to be watched if they are to keep getting made and there seems to be a big disconnect between what some people consider great shows and their actual numbers. Personally I think shows that have really high budgets should aim to mainly be limited time series with contained stories rather than long running shows. There is too much competition in the attention economy to handle the number of shows currently being produced.
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AleroRatking Apr 2, 2026 +4
People forget how much filler were in those long seasons.
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VrinTheTerrible Apr 2, 2026 +8
I think OP is angrier at the length between short seasons, rather than the short seasons themselves.
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 +1
Very much this!! Thank you 😭
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Guilty_Jackfruit4484 Apr 2, 2026 +4
Even filler episodes can be good
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AleroRatking Apr 2, 2026 +1
Sure. But far more often than not they weren't. It also makes the show way more a chore to get through and the pacing was a mess It is a big reason that HBO came out of the gate so successful
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[deleted] Apr 2, 2026 +2
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AleroRatking Apr 2, 2026 +1
Of course there is still filler. But far far far less than their used to be
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Mysterious_Field1517 Apr 2, 2026 +2
I believe Lost was the trailblazer for shortening seasons for the network shows. As an argument for it the writers put as an example a whole episode dedicated to "how this character got their tattoo".
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beardiac Apr 2, 2026 +2
True. A lot of these network shows also have grueling schedules for filming. Even with sitcoms, filming a show becomes the cast's whole lives for most of the year.
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Stock_Username_Here Apr 2, 2026 +4
It’s a job.
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colemon1991 Apr 2, 2026 +1
Sometimes those end up being some of the most respected episodes for the season or the entire show.
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Paper_Street_Soap Apr 2, 2026
Agreed.  I propose shows meet somewhere in the middle.
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AleroRatking Apr 2, 2026 +2
I think the episode count is perfect and fine. Decades ago HBO was still doing shorter seasons and was hugely successful The gap between seasons id love to improve though
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 +1
My beef is with the gaps between seasons more so than episode counts. There are shows with 8-10 episode seasons that I still rewatch regularly, but if that same show came out today with the increase in gaps between seasons, then there’s a big possibility that I’d skip it.
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Brave-Dog-6748 Apr 2, 2026
facts
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shmickley Apr 2, 2026 -2
Then we should be able to easily get 3 seasons every 2 years if were doing 6-8 episodes if were not doing filler
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 -1
Filler still exists. Some of these shows have the same amount if not more filler than shows of the past.
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AleroRatking Apr 2, 2026 +2
Definitely not more than the past. Shows still struggle with pacing (especially with Netflix originals). But that's because those seasons are too long.
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colemon1991 Apr 2, 2026 +2
The problem is priorities. You watch Stargate SG-1 and get plenty of CGI. You watch Supernatural and the CGI is pretty decent, but used sparingly. CGI is not the sole issue here. The Mandalorian uses newer technology that lets them create entire backgrounds that play during filming. The CGI is on the front end rather than the back. It did consecutive years just fine on its first 2 seasons. Other shows don't use enough CGI or use it when it's unnecessary to justify the long production times. Meanwhile, you look at One Piece, where they literally build actual ships on water... that show up exactly one episode. Season 2 was when they finally dipped into the CGI hard and that didn't slow down production at all. Part of it is the price tag. Part of it is the style. Part of it is the writing, the production company, the studio. You watch NCIS or Grey's Anatomy for 20 years and don't notice that there's a lot of monologues, a lot of characters interacting, very little action. Criminal Minds has an ensemble cast that precisely take turns while talking, no interruptions or corrections, so dialogue is distributed more evenly. Smallville gave its lead actor the fewest lines every episode because he's in so many scenes so they could actually finish filming an episode every week. those 22 episode season shows only show huge CGI-fest wild-explosion every-guest-star-at-once episodes for major events maybe thrice a year. The Witcher had at least one grotesque monster fight per episode. I think Marvel gave the best summary when they started doing shows, calling them "6-hour movies with breaks". And sometimes it feels like that, because it's filled with so much unnecessary stuff that, yes, it could've just been a 2 hour movie. See the difference? Look at Monk, X-Files, Supernatural, The Expanse, Snowpiercer, Breaking Bad, Buffy. Those shows ran just fine with yearly releases (with probably a dud episode per season) and better writing than a lot of these shorter season shows can pull off. They didn't need movie-quality CGI or big spectacles every episode. They had characters that felt real, dialogue that felt natural, experiences that felt just a little less likely than real life. We can argue quality consistency another time, but they worked.
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carnivoregains Apr 2, 2026 +2
What a unique post!!!
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 +1
I wasn’t aiming for unique lol, I just needed to rant because I found myself rewatching the same show for the millionth time while still waiting for a new season of another show that’s not gonna be released for another year. It’s been 2 years since the last season released 😑
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ishtar_the_move Apr 2, 2026 +1
Network shows can do 20+ episodes a year with just a few months between seasons by mostly doing fillers and recycled plots. The Chicago shows did the couple trying to adopt a kid but have to fight the system in all three shows. In fact they did it more than once in Chicago Fire. If that's the kind of show you want there are still plenty of them out there.
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ImLaunchpadMcQuack Apr 2, 2026 +1
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oooriole09 Apr 2, 2026 +1
>For context, I don’t really watch shows from these networks If you did, you’d see just how formulaic these shows can be. Yes, some formulas are good, but the majority are churning content for the sake of churning content. Even higher end, award winning shows end up with recycled plots or multiple episodes where only one of the multiple threads is doing something good. Listen, nobody is defending streamers and what they’re doing but I don’t know if comparing to network tv is realistic. The answer is somewhere in the middle.
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armo-djkhalid Apr 2, 2026 +1
Valid point for sure. Like I replied below, I’m perfectly fine with 8-10 episode seasons if the gaps aren’t so long. If I can get 8-10 episodes of a really well written and executed show every year like clockwork, then I’d be perfectly content, but that’s unfortunately not the case.
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GrubHanser Apr 2, 2026 -5
So many people don't care if shit is good, just that there is a lot of it.
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TheSuspiciousDreamer Apr 2, 2026 +2
Yep. Having more of thing but lowering the quality of the product doesn't make it better.
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