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Zealousideal_Debt483 2 days ago +2287

she looks miserable in her scenes

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FantasticFox1641 2 days ago +1234

At least it works for the character since Starlight is going through it this season

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lexiebeef 2 days ago +618

Yeah, at least Starlight is just depressed the whole season, so her looking miserable makes sense. But its so sad, the difference between Erin in the last season and in the first is huge, I hope she is doing better now

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Yourdjentpal 1 day ago +98

It’s the only aspect that works imo. When I saw her in s1, I’m like this woman is going to blow tf up. She’ll be everywhere. Then this happened, and I worry her career will not be good. Kind of tough to watch tbh.

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No-Armadillo-7248 2 days ago +414

She can barely speak anymore.

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abstractraj 2 days ago +209

Well her mouth doesn’t open properly anymore

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WhereBaptizedDrowned 2 days ago +175

You can see unnatural folds in her cheeks when she talks. Yikes. Also her eyes look so small. The cheek enlargement made them pea size

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lifegoeson5322 2 days ago +135

She's taking steroids which cause puffiness in the face and extremities.

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Chadarius 1 day ago +42

No she has Graves disease (according to her) which can cause facial feature changes. Most notably are very enlarged eyes and a puffy face. She may very well have Graves disease, but she also had some work done and messed her face up. I know people who have Graves disease and I know people who have taken steroids to where their face will get puffy. It doesn't do what her face is doing. Her face is sculpted not puffy. Its the old nose job "I broke my nose" excuse. I hate what the media and social media are doing to these women that are somehow caught up in thinking that they don't look good enough. Then make their faces look unnatural and gross as a solution to that. She looked perfectly fine before. I really enjoyed her acting ability. Now I can't unsee her pain as a person and her acting is suffering because of that. I hope she feels better and is able to recover from whatever is clearly giving her issues.

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nesshinx 1 day ago +61

Graves is an autoimmune disease, the treatment for autoimmune diseases is regular steroid use to suppress your immune system. It’s both.

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PlaneAffectionate113 1 day ago +24

Hey- I have grave’s disease. Steroids are not really used to treat Grave’s. Not all autoimmune diseases are treated the same. Grave’s disease is treated with tapazole or radio-iodine therapy, or thyroid removal in general. If she also has Grave’s thyroid eye disease, which I do too, then they give you steroid eye drops, an injection called Tepezza, for more moderate cases, thyroid removal once again, or correct surgery to remove scar tissue behind your eyes. Steroids are used really only when eye inflammation is really really bad for those with thyroid eye disease but not all grave’s disease patients develop thyroid eye disease. Also whole system steroids (not just short term steroid eye drops) are for people who have extreme inflammation and swelling in their eyes which usually happens YEARS into the disease.

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Prolific_Masticator 1 day ago +29

Graves’ disease is never treated with steroids despite it being an autoimmune disease. Never.

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lrrssssss 1 day ago +15

Yeah you either take the thyroid out surgically, or kill it with radioactive iodine.

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BaseBeautiful7581 1 day ago +7

Yes Graves’ disease is hyperthyroidism, they usually blast that gland with radiation, and you go on meds the rest of your life to replace that hormone. I read all about this bc I have thyroid cancer and had half removed so I’m also on a “thyroid stimulating hormone”

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lrrssssss 1 day ago +3

Ah I’m sorry to hear that. Hope you’re doing okay. I’m a physician so I implement these treatments sometimes

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bvcp 1 day ago +2

Or manage it with suppressive drugs

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lrrssssss 1 day ago +2

Ya thionamides are used sometimes but have more side effects and require frequent monitoring so not done as much.

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NotAPreppie 1 day ago +7

Steroids are only used in fairly rare cases where severe eye bulging resulting in corneal exposure and optic nerve compression are seen. This is not a treatment for the autoimmune disease itself, as Graves' disease doesn't normally cause inflammation. The immune system isn't attacking the thyroid but rather its binding to the receptors that stimulate production of thyroid hormone. Often a thyroid suppressor like methimazole/thiamazole is prescribed to get things under control until surgery or I-131 treatment can be performed.

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Aggressive_Chuck 1 day ago +4

They manage to cover it with makeup and lighting in some scenes, then the next scene she's a skull dipped in wax.

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No-Armadillo-7248 2 days ago +165

She quite literally sounds like she's speaking through a mask. I can't fathom people adamantly denying she's had work done.

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DeLoresDelorean 2 days ago +314

Google Graves disease. I know is the entertainment sub but you are reading this through a device connected to the internet.

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Pleasant_Cloud1742 2 days ago +122

I actually downloaded all of Listnook to read at my leisure.

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facemanbarff 1 day ago +27

You printed it all out and are leisurely flipping through various stacks of sublistnooks, sipping a cocktail by the pool on a sunny afternoon. Right?

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Pleasant_Cloud1742 1 day ago +9

Is there any other way? I’m not a farmer you know

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Kinda_Zeplike 1 day ago +3

Pepperidge Farm remembers

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John3791 2 days ago +30

Yeah, I have a COBOL program and JCL job that downloads and prints Listnook for me on greenbar paper. Then I use a card punch to type my response and feed the stack of cards into a reader for another job to read and post. Technology is amazing.

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ol-gormsby 1 day ago +2

COBOL? Pffft. I use RPG.

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John3791 1 day ago +2

I suppose I could have used Mark IV.

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Dewgong_crying 2 days ago +3

Can I get a copy?

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Sudden-Ad-307 2 days ago +70

Yeah google it and see what it actually does to the face.

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Snakend 2 days ago +92

She had plastic surgery, and the surgeon sucked. Graves disease does not do to the face what is happening to her. It causes your eyes to bulge, if anything her eyes have sunken in because of the fillers around her face.

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beanzboiii 2 days ago +70

i'm not saying she has had no plastic surgery, but only about 25% of those with Graves' have the eye bulging symptoms. a more common symptom of Graves' is losing weight, which combined with some plastic surgery, explains her appearance more easily than plastic surgery alone. it's unfair to say she's lying about her suffering.

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shpongolian 2 days ago +63

She may have had plastic surgery to try to offset the effects of Graves, which would be understandable. Like I get being annoyed when beautiful, ultra-privileged celebrities spend a bunch of money obsessively trying to look even more perfect and just make themselves ugly in the process, but I really don't think that's fair here. It's gotta really suck to see your face slowly morphing into something else, especially when you're in a line of work where millions of people see it happening, and I don't think it's crazy to try to fix that with plastic surgery, if that's actually what's happened.

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sunshine_fuu 2 days ago +94

Hey, so that's one thing Grave's disease does. TED's symptoms can range, and and the moon face can cause eyelid and undereye edema, causing the sunken look. The fact that her face is still changing from appearance to appearance is indicative this is more autoimmune than surgery, any presumed indication of buccal fat removal is now completely gone with weight gain.

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girlinthegoldenboots 2 days ago +70

My face shape has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 5 years as my autoimmune disease has progressed. I don’t even recognize myself in the mirror sometimes. And some days I wake up and look mostly normal but more often I wake up with a new face. It’s wild.

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PlaneAffectionate113 1 day ago +5

Grave’s disease does not cause moon face. Her face is probably puffy from a combo of getting fillers to look more like herself when she was in active weight loss while her thyroid was overactive, and then once it stabilized she gained the weight back and now her face looks puffy

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EqualOptimal4650 1 day ago +11

> Graves disease does not do to the face what is happening to her. It does ***exactly*** what's happening to her. Go actually look at some pictures of people with Grave's disease.

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MathematicianAfter57 2 days ago +30

I think Graves is making her fillers plastic surgery swollen / more uncomfortable

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dietcokeeee 2 days ago +45

Two things can be true at once

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EL__Rubio 2 days ago +30

Do you also think Zac Efron's face looks as it currently does only because of the accident he had that required jaw surgery?

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MetamagicIII 2 days ago +15

She’s clearly had cosmetic surgery either as a preventative measure or to try and make her face look better after the disease. Either way there has been cosmetic surgery 100% Edit a typo

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rt2987 2 days ago +29

I think the disease caused that.

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MisterUncrustable 1 day ago +5

Man I hate people putting her on blast for getting work done and the surgeon botching it. When you get it in your head that there's really something wrong with the way you look, it's hard not to reach for a chance to fix it, even if it's not good for you. Then when your feedback comes from your manipulative psychopathic hollywood agents and trolls online? Hail Mary plastic surgery suddenly seems like a sane choice. But this is all indicative of society's move away from mental health and empathy

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elonmuskkicksdogs 2 days ago +81

Watching her try to emote at all this season is sad. The poor thing can barely move her mouth to speak.

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TheArtfulLlama 2 days ago +66

Her in the episode last week crying literally made me wince. It was like her face was completely frozen and she was just making the crying sounds. I feel bad that she’s so sick but she definitely got some bad work done and it’s really killed her ability to emote

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DarkMillSouth 2 days ago +907

I feel bad for her. The Boys fandom is a weird one. I don’t fully understand what Graves’ disease is but hopefully she gets treated a bit more compassionately in the future. But I wouldn’t be surprised if she is done with acting moving forward.

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malseraph 2 days ago +530

Grave's Disease is when your immune system attacks your thyroid. It causes it to overproduce the hormone that controls your metabolism. So you tend to be more hyper, anxious and lose weight. She started treatment on it a year or two ago I think. Having to adjust to those lower hormone levels can be difficult.

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rose_thorn_ 2 days ago +175

I have hashimoto’s (the opposite version of grave’s basically) and can only imagine what it would have been like to have to work like that physically without being on a good treatment plan yet. Thyroid conditions tend to cause extreme exhaustion

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Opouly 1 day ago +45

I also have Hashimoto’s and I agree when it comes to our condition. It sounds like Graves is very different but still dealing with something when you’re figuring it out and before it’s managed is really difficult.

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shouldbepracticing85 1 day ago +8

I don’t know how Graves works vs. the hyperthyroidism my granny had, but for my granny I think they irradiated her thyroid to kill it, so she’s been on thyroid replacement meds ever since.

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Final-Finger1003 1 day ago +2

They did that to my mom too, I think they have a different procedure now.

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PlaneAffectionate113 1 day ago +2

Hyperthyroidism without grave’s disease is actually less commonly than hypothyroidism without hashimotos. The treatments for general hyperthyroidism are pretty much the same as autoimmune (grave’s) hyperthyroidism. Grave’s disease medication, tapazol, isn’t specific at targeting antibodies its job is to increase TSH which gets the thyroid to work correctly. Some people have both autoimmune conditions (grave’s and Hashimotos)… I do unfortunately. However I’ve actually never had an under active thyroid, but I have thyroid nodules due to Hashimotos and the antibodies for it. My endocrinologist said if I ever got an under active thyroid it would be a lot more difficult to treat since I have grave’s disease as well and grave’s disease is more dangerous and can be fatal. One thyroid storm and you had like a 90% chance of dying if you don’t make it to the hospital in time ): Also the treatment your grandma had is still a treatment they use when other treatments don’t work, but they’ve made a bit of advancements and it is much easier to treat hyperthyroidism now. I think they prefer thyroid removal over destroying the thyroid and leaving it though since there’s a risk of thyroid cancer

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GuntersTag 1 day ago +7

Sorry to ask a question uninvited, but my wife also has hashimoto's. Do you suffer from periods of extreme exhaustion, like debilitating exhaustion?

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shouldbepracticing85 1 day ago +7

My mom does, she has Hashimotos. She also has chronic pain issues and is a very driven person so she’ll often go be active a little too much (she does a lot of gardening) and then be stuck on the couch between the exhaustion and the pain.

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IvanDimitriov 1 day ago +9

I have Graves’ disease and it’s super manageable with medication, it does take some time to get under control and the diagnosis takes some time but I lost 40 lbs in 3 weeks and felt like I was vibrating out of my skin the whole time. My eyes also developed the bugginess that is characteristic of Graves. It’s been almost 20 years since my diagnosis.

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3seconds2live 1 day ago +2

Completely agree, my graves disease was discovered by my ships doc when I was in the navy. I went because I noticed I was dropping weight while trying to bulk up at the gym. I was slamming back food and always hot and peeing a lot due to increased water consumption. I couldnt keep on mass and was trying to compensate with increased intake. I went to the doc because a family member thought I should get checked for diabetes due to the excessive urination. Body temp was elevated, heart rate elevated blood test taken and confirmation happened within a week. Ended up choosing the radioactive iodine treatment and take levothyroxine daily as a result.

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NotAPreppie 1 day ago +10

The immune system is not attacking the thyroid, it's binding to the receptors that signal for increased production. Source: my endocrinologist when he diagnosed me with Graves' Disease.

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RottenPingu1 2 days ago +226

Fandom is pretty toxic across the board and social media has put it on steroids.

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TheCh0rt 2 days ago +58

IMO the word "community" has become "mob" and the ones that say they are a community just haven't found a good reason to mob something yet.

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genericweeb1925 2 days ago +10

Kinda the smaller spaces are still chill, a bar in my city Even does a nerd fighting game night every Wednesday. So it’s good out there just not online.

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Limp_Bar_1727 2 days ago +5

Yeah half of them don’t even sound like they watch the show, it’s mostly dogpiling in a random post saying “omg look how different this celeb looks how gross!” It’s such a negative exchange and I can’t imagine how it must feel to stumble across these comments as the person in the spotlight.

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10thousndreflections 2 days ago +13

Simpsons did it first with Comic Book Guy. Social media definitely brought them all together for daily, no hourly, meetings.

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chopsmothercover 2 days ago +13

They didn’t do it first since he was based on a stereotype of fat nerdy dudes that are way too invested in some kind of fictional story like Star Trek or Star Wars It was already a very established and common stereotype of nerds when they introduced comic book guy, which is why he was so funny.

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CarlySimonSays 2 days ago +5

Simon Pegg's character in the '99-early aughts sitcom, "Spaced," works at a comic book store and gets in an argument with a little kid over the prequels there. I mean, lots of people were disappointed with the prequels, but that doesn't mean you rant at a small boy over him buying something related to Jar-Jar Binks. (I gotta watch that show again!)

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tarpex 2 days ago +48

Graves' is your thyroid going bananas and it's a horrible affliction. It can also go hand in hand with underlying T1 diabetes (they're both autoimmune diseases), so when you get your thyroid under control, you get a surprise of raging diabetes. Which somewhat deviously Graves' masks. One of my inlaws is living with this combo and yeah... It's not great.

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enbyeldritch 2 days ago +10

It's T2 Diabetes but this is what happened to me + I was severely anemic at the same time so I was on a high dose of Prednisone for over a year, I basically gave myself an eating disorder trying to manage my blood sugar. I got my thyroid removed and switched to synthetic hormones but it wrecked havoc on my body and I haven't been able to kick the T2 entirely though thankfully without Prednisone making everything worse I can manage it with just 10mg of Jardiance.

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been2thehi4 2 days ago +10

I had hyperthyroidism issues starting back in 2013. You become unbelievably fatigued, your menstrual cycles go nuts, hair falls out in clumps, you are constantly overheated, brain fog, mood swings, brittle nails and hair, sometimes you lose your eyebrow hair, lose weight without trying, causes fertility issues, heart palpitations. It’s a nightmare. I had to have my thyroid removed because I had a goiter, cysts and nodules and my tsh was incredibly low, meaning I was extremely “hyper”. People don’t realize how important the thyroid is until it starts to go haywire. Now I have to rely on meds to function as my thyroid since I no longer have one, so needing to keep up on doc appointments and checks is vital because you can’t go without the meds if you would need to have the thyroid removed altogether. I was not a candidate for radioactive iodine treatment which is one way they address an overactive thyroid. Even after it’s removed , you have to deal with it forever. I have to get labs done several times a year, my med dosages gets tweaked constantly because despite doing the daily dose sometimes it still shows I’m hyper on lab results and my tsh will swing between checks for no reason that makes any sense to me, and I still get bouts of symptoms from time to time, usually heart palpitations or overheating, but those symptoms can also be a sign of other things. It’s quite annoying.

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Gootangus 2 days ago +12

My gf has Graves’ disease and it f****** sucks.

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GirlsLikeStatus 2 days ago +28

I feel like 90% of the fandom doesn’t understand the social commentary and are taking it at face value.

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lexiebeef 2 days ago +21

I saw a comment on instagram from a "Jesus +, MAGA" bio dude complaining that "in the last season the boys has become woke and shows shouldnt be political" and I swear to God i dont understand what show they were watching before cause when was the show not political???

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thiswasmysixthchoice 2 days ago +13

What he meant was, “shows shouldn’t make fun of my personal politics. Everyone else’s is fair game.”

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roygbivasaur 2 days ago +5

In my day, evangelicals would never actually admit to watching and enjoying “filth” like The Boys in the first place. I didn’t think I’d miss the prudes

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m3ngnificient 2 days ago +6

I have the opposite spectrum of it, Hashimoto's, and I feel fortunate. Your thyroid is overactive and you're losing too much weight, anxiety, palpitations and tremors that could lead to long term heart issues, potentially thyroid cancer.

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ApricotNo2315 2 days ago +2

Despite its very on-the-nose left wing politics, it is seemingly very popular with people on the right. Although partly I think they love to hate it nowadays.

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Kazaloogamergal 2 days ago +152

I've had two sisters that have had Graves Disease, One deceased and one still living, and it changed their faces. I'm not saying that Erin Moriarty did or didn't have cosmetic surgery but I don't think that you all realize that Grave Disease does change your looks. I'm sick of people not acknowledging because they don't know anybody with the disease but I am related to two people with it and I'm telling you that it's true. I have the photos to prove it but I'm not going to post them obviously.

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upsidedown-funnel 1 day ago +30

Appreciate you taking the time to explain some of these details. It must be so frustrating when you have to explain it over and over again. Today I learned something and have you to thank for it. I hope more also learn from this as well.

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SeaTie 1 day ago +23

I mean if it changes your face to that degree can you can't even blame her for trying to go the cosmetic route. Must be tough as an actor when all of a sudden your face totally changes. Sucks...

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Bizarrebazaars 1 day ago +10

Graves does not give you lip fillers, b*** job, upper bleph or brow lift etc…. Source: I have Graves. For most people it’s easily managed with meds.

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AnnieWillkes 1 day ago +6

Agree it doesn't give you those things but we don't know if she's "most people". Source, have Graves in remission after many years, iodine radiation, and many eye surgeries.

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Emotional-Ad8894 2 days ago +1473

Seeing how badly people dogpiled hate onto her reminded me of when people made fun of Chadwick Boseman's appearance and said things like "Crack Panther" when the guy was literally dying of cancer.

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Successful-Winter237 2 days ago +389

That’s why I try to never comment on people’s bodies.. you never know why people gain or lose a lot of weight

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Trucktub 2 days ago +106

That’s how people are supposed to act in general. I feel like we’re all far too comfortable judging and mocking people’s looks simply because they’re actors. I’m not gonna boohoo for rich hollywood actors here but, she got such unnecessary gross disgusting shit it reminded me of brie larson. Just simply existing as a woman will get you blasted and it’s just f****** gross.

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bangles00 1 day ago +15

Look at the leader of America right now. Made making fun of people’s looks / disabilities the hottest thing

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Trucktub 1 day ago +9

I don’t wanna look at him! He makes me angry and sad and hopeless!

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Ragamuffin_Raine 2 days ago +29

A lot of people looking for loopholes so they can mock someone's appearance and feel superior.

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1egg_4u 1 day ago +13

I always remember how shitty people were about Skylar in breaking bad and then she had to go on medication that made her gain weight and the fandom became *putrid* I was really hoping body positivity would stick...

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Trucktub 1 day ago +9

The fact that people still bring her up like she’s anything other than a victim is so gross to me. We get it; you hate women. Jfc

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MeatEaterDruid 2 days ago +32

Even if it's "just" body dysmorphia, no one deserves to be mocked for their appearance.

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Solondthewookiee 2 days ago +13

Exactly. "I don't know why [actress] felt the need to get work done!" said the hundreds of people offering unsolicited criticism of her appearance.

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veilofcolor 1 day ago +4

criticizing her natural normal appearance and criticizing the insane plastic surgery she got are not the same

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Ok_Capital6144 2 days ago +40

Her face procedures don't seem to have anything to do with this disease? And that's what people were talking about. Female actors being skinny is practically the norm nowadays. Nobody mocked any feature that was caused by this condition. (Edit: I'm totally wrong in this last paragraph. Leaving it here as context for some of the responses I got)

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fletters 2 days ago +15

Endocrine disorders can impact appearance in ways that you wouldn’t expect. Thyroid disorders can cause facial swelling, and changes to facial features, face shape, skin, and hair. They can also cause significant weight changes, including rapid weight loss. I don’t know if she’s had cosmetic surgery, but I would not be confident about claiming that the features being mocked weren’t related to her medical condition. And, honestly? If I were expected to appear regularly on television after rapid weight loss or change of appearance due to illness, and if I had the income of a well-known television actress, I might consider going to a plastic surgeon or dermatologist to see if could restore my appearance to some extent. It’s arguably more about reconstruction than vanity.

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the_moosey_fate 2 days ago +57

Considering the sheer magnitude of terrible people on the internet, you should probably drop that last sentence. I have no doubt at all that hundreds if not thousands of people mocked her condition specifically.

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FrescoItaliano 2 days ago +23

“Don’t seem” Honestly unless you’re a medical professional that can explicitly lend you expertise here, your assessment isn’t really valuable as it’s not really informed on anything except vibes

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daphnedelirious 2 days ago +34

yes they did, everyone learned what buccal fat removal is and dogpiled her for getting it when it’s very obvious now that her appearance of wasting was caused by the disease since she’s regained weight and her cheeks are back to the way they were.

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Ragamuffin_Raine 2 days ago +17

I've seen it on the front page of Listnook on a "tea sipping" sub at least once since the season came out. Many were mocking her for the aspects caused by Graves and others were being heavily upvoted saying it wasn't a real condition and she was lying.

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KeenActual 2 days ago +7

I remember I was at a screening for 5 bridges and thought that Chadwick looked legitimately sick in that movie. Man was I sad when I found out I was right.

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fredjutsu 2 days ago +21

Or how people are making fun of Tyrese Haliburton for his weight gain as he struggles with shingles.

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James_Parnell 2 days ago +247

I don't mean to come off the wrong way but Chadwick didn't get major plastic surgery on his face as far as I could tell. Obviously doesn't justify any hate but the situations aren't one to one imo

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raoqie 2 days ago +93

I could see why surgery is appealing in an industry where appearances matter, especially when you’re dealing with an illness that has brought physical changes. She has definitely had plastic surgery, I just hope she can find health and happiness bc she's clearly had a rough go lately

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stoicgirl69 2 days ago +41

One of the only sensible comments, to me it's entirely possible that she is/was sick (I don't doubt that at all) AND she also had plastic surgery

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hither_spin 2 days ago +60

Graves Disease besides making you lose a ton of weight, f****** with your hormones, and every part of your body system, gives you intense anxiety which could have led to procedures about her appearance. Graves Disease also can kill you if not treated with a thyroid storm. One method of treatment is taking radiation directed at your thyroid, another is medication, and another is surgery to remove the thyroid. All of these will make them hypothyroid which will puff you up big time until hormones are leveled out. You'll be medicated for life because of it. Who cares if she had plastic surgery, she went through a traumatic health episode.

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shutupdavid0010 1 day ago +4

Then it's unacceptable for any doctor to put her under the knife when she's not mentally well enough to make the decision to permanently alter her body - especially before she reached equilibrium with her treatment. I care because it's fucked up to excuse doctors taking advantage of people for money.

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lonelynarwahl 2 days ago +15

If you look at pics of her now though it really doesn’t look Iike that much surgery. It could very well be her illness was affecting her appearance that drastically

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Winter8Bones 2 days ago +6

Still seeing people pick apart her appearance right in this post even knowing about her diagnosis. Just disgusting.

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wsxdfcvgbnjmlkjafals 2 days ago +32

I mean she did get buccal fat removed, that part did happen. This is just separate. Comments about it aside. edit: i'll cop to the fact that I thought she'd admitted it. She hasn't confirmed it, but it tracks with the trend.

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Last-Tune1001 2 days ago +22

No she didn’t. If she did then how does her face go from puffy to not to puffy again? Holy shit.

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wsxdfcvgbnjmlkjafals 2 days ago +27

Her face doesn't look healthy. The graves' disease stood out as a sickly puff, not just her body/weight changing in some way. Two things can be true at the same time.

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hammertime06 2 days ago +22

But it looks healthy now, as if she never had buccal fat removal. It looks like symptoms of Graves that she's managing now.

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whoadudechillfr 2 days ago +8

Graves disease doesn’t alter your bone structure.

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SirRichardLove 2 days ago +119

I hope she feels better and is able to manage her symptoms. She's a trooper and I enjoy her character.

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BadAtExisting 2 days ago +61

I have Grave’s Disease. Before being diagnosed I wrote a lot of signs off as being out of shape for over a year. It eventually got so bad I thought I was actively having a heart attack while walking into work. I was in the hospital for 3 days having and being treated for what is called a [thyroid storm](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23203-thyroid-storm), they can be fatal, and being diagnosed with hyperthyroidism/Grave’s Disease. I hope she has it under control. It truly feels god awful when untreated

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BeBopNHustleSteady 2 days ago +14

I thought she looks miserable this season

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Overall_Affect_2782 2 days ago +89

In the most recent episode when she goes to meet her dad (played by Tim Daly) she looks the healthiest and closest to season 1 I’ve seen her in a long time. In the early episodes of season 5 she looked different. She definitely had some stuff going on during this time.

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SandManFromPanAm 2 days ago +48

Really? I thought those were some of the hardest scenes to watch I’ve ever seen with her. Her face struggles to move and she can’t fully enunciate words.

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Drakex2Mayex2 1 day ago +4

Yeah the face paralysis is such a tough one for actresses. Some of the lines earlier in the season were almost slurred. I definitely feel bad for her, but she is giving a terrible performance on top of some already bad writing.

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Overall_Affect_2782 2 days ago +6

From the newest episode from last night? No, sorry; I don’t agree. Now the way she’s looking in the first episode in the firecracker outfit and talking to the boys in episode 1 of this season I will agree with you.

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KaleidoscopeDizzy427 1 day ago +5

I was thinking the exact same thing. She dropped five years in that scene and I thought, "F***, that shower did wonders." I'm even considering having one myself now.

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WhatTheJessJedi 2 days ago +347

I have this disease and it sucks but it does NOT change your face entirely. Nose size, lip size or any other cosmedic procedures. It's mostly caused from Thyroid issues. Common symptoms of Graves' disease include: (Mayo Clinic) * Feeling nervous and irritable. * Having a slight tremor of the hands or fingers. * Being sensitive to heat with an increase in sweating or warm, moist skin. * Losing weight, despite wanting to eat more. * Having an enlarged thyroid gland, also called goiter. (I have the goiter) * Having thick, discolored skin mostly on the shins or tops of the feet, called Graves' dermopathy. * Having fast or irregular heartbeat, called palpitations. * Not sleeping well. I'm sorry she has this but she has also had plastic surgery. Edit: Cuz I apparently can't spell.

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No-Armadillo-7248 2 days ago +128

Thank you for this. People don't seem to understand the pressure they put on young girls by claiming faces like Moriarty's happen naturally. It's so unhealthy.

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ManitouWakinyan 2 days ago +21

I don't know if attributing her face to Grave's Disease is giving young girls unrealistic ideas of how their faces can look. First, because I don't really see anyone in her saying she looks better than she used to. Second, because they're attributing the change to... Grave's Disease. Even if young girls do think she looks great, are we worried their going to try and contract a thyroid condition?

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elonmuskkicksdogs 2 days ago +17

Now I kind of want to know what a comedic procedure is all about.

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AprilFloresFan 2 days ago +2

Frizzy cool aid red hair incoming.

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stoicgirl69 2 days ago +40

I agree. The only facial effect of Graves afaik is the bulging eyes... I'm more than happy to be corrected if someone else knows better, but I looked it up and that's all I see lol @ the people coming at me in other comments but providing no literature or proof to disprove me

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MadisonAveMuse 2 days ago +10

Facial bloating is very common.

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WhatTheJessJedi 2 days ago +43

I lived it with it since I was a kid and I have take a bunch of medicines. My nose and other facial things have not changed except occasional bloating of my checks ;)

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GinAndDumbBitchJuice 1 day ago +3

Possibly some loss of facial fat if you're experiencing the rapid weight loss, but no, the bulging eyes are the hallmark.

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aaavvvvv 2 days ago +20

I have it too and before I was diagnosed I did lose 20 pounds and it for sure changed my face shape quite a bit

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Bizarrebazaars 1 day ago +3

Haha I said something similar elsewhere in here!! As someone with Graves, yassification is NOT a symptom.

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Formal-Razzmatazz593 1 day ago +8

Sorry chief, but this isn’t entirely true— we only haphazardly understand the mechanisms of Grave’s disease and its autoimmune alteration to glycosaminoglycan metabolism and subsequent accumulation. Your face can change very significantly in a very short amount of time and this is both poorly understood and multimodal in origin. Graves = Hyperthyroid state = increase in metabolism, muscle & fat wasting, skin and hair changes Graves also = stimulation of fibroblasts via the same antibodies that recognize the thyroid; fibroblast proliferation dramatically changes our bodies soft tissues w/ GAG accumulation and ensuing edema, which conversely can cause soft tissues swelling and thickening w/o edema. Leads to proptosis, myxedema, all sorts of unfortunate ridiculousness. All said, anyone can recognize their facial features changing. We have no idea what measures may have been taken to remedy, we have no idea of what other factors are involved. You can’t say it wasn’t Graves the same as you can’t say it was, but hard-and-fast saying it WASN’T graves shows a poor understanding of what is an incredibly variable and nuanced disease process w/in a rapidly changing field of rheumatology/endocrinology. Don’t jump to plastic surgery as the sole cause, not everything is a vanity case. Have a little faith in folks, because otherwise invites an inappropriate assumption of something deeply hurtful to her any many.

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Bizarrebazaars 1 day ago +2

Not everyone with hyperthyroidism has Graves. Not everyone with hypothyroidism has Hashimoto’s.

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Affectionate_Soup461 1 day ago +2

I do believe that the medications and the disease is changing her weight etc. but it is abundantly clear that she has also had cosmetic work done. I find it hard to believe that Graves Disease completely changes the shape and size of your nose.

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inedibletrout 2 days ago +20

So, maybe I'm misinformed, but illnesses like graves rarely affect people the same exact way. She may have uncommon side effects as well. Why are we so intent on calling this woman a liar for absolutely no reason?

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stoicgirl69 2 days ago +27

Who said she was a liar? It's entirely possible she has Graves (I don't doubt her on that) AND she had cosmetic procedures. Why is it all or nothing?

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indy_been_here 2 days ago +37

Which rare symptoms are you assuming she is experiencing? Celebrities lie all the time about the work they get done. Zack Effron, Drake, Bella Haddid, Kylie & Kendall, Megan Fox, Arianna Grande, Nicole Kidman, all the guys who take steroids for roles, and countless others. It's not farfetched to assume they're embarrassed or trying to improve their PR. Effron went as far as to lie about an injury years prior that grew his jaw nearly a decade later??? C'mon

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Complete-Housing4977 2 days ago +31

Because she keeps swearing she's never had plastic surgery when it's very obvious she did. Not that I care but that's why people give her shit. There's a side by side from s1 and after and like you you can completely see she changed her whole face. I'm sure her disease isn't helping things but still why lie about that?

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unclepaisan 1 day ago +6

Finally an honest take. Graves disease sucks but it does not explain the surgeries. People are giving her shit because these surgeries changed her appearance and she is explaining it as a medical condition when that's straight up not what happened, even if she also does have a medical condition that affected her appearance.

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LUNKLISTEN 2 days ago +30

Because women in Hollywood have notoriously never denied getting work done . And all gym bros are natty

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LiluLay 2 days ago +25

Because this woman’s plastic surgery is extremely obvious and her face is botched, imo. It’s pretty insulting to anyone who has even the slightest bit of experience with thyroid disorders to blame her dramatic facial changes on Grave’s when it’s so obviously surgical intervention coupled with Botox and fillers. You can see the transformation pretty clearly if you watch the seasons back to back. It started with lip filler in season 2 and she just kept going. I feel sad that Instagram and Hollywood fucked up her perception of herself to this degree, but to just lie about what is obvious to the eye is ridiculous. She had the prettiest face and she couldn’t make herself stop f****** with it and now she is extremely difficult to look at. She looks somewhat better now with weight back on her body, but she looks nothing like she did. Graves is not responsible for her transformation. Bulging eyes, a goiter in her neck, straggly hair, and weight fluctuations, yes. Total facial change, no.

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-JimmyReddit- 2 days ago +14

lol yeah I’m sure that the lady who denies the use of plastic surgery also happens to be the only person ever in the history of the world to have these very specific symptoms of a well-documented disease that just so happens to resemble plastic surgery. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and she’s a medical miracle

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PorkChop70-1 2 days ago +5

It is incredibly disrespectful to people with Graves’ disease to imply that the changes to her face are all from it.

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epicredditdude1 2 days ago +89

If you listen closely you can hear the show’s promoters banging their heads against the wall.

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confusing_roundabout 2 days ago +27

I think it's very obvious that this is a quote about her personal struggle and has no bearing on the quality of the final season or the people making it. I don't think there is anything wrong with what she's said from a PR perspective.

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suck-it-elon 2 days ago +8

Why? She doesn’t want to see herself battling.

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AffordableDelousing 2 days ago +16

I'd bet good money that she has a contract that says she isn't supposed to say shit like this. But people will watch now just to see how bad she was and what she is trying to cover for.

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-XanderCrews- 2 days ago +27

She’s not that bad though. Other than appearance she seems the same.

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MikeBofManyBeats 2 days ago +17

"But people will watch now just to see how bad she was and what she is trying to cover for." Well I'd sure hope know one is toxic enough to think like this.

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the_main_entrance 2 days ago +11

They could be a guest on The Deep’s podcast

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canaryo 2 days ago +31

People are so insane the way they talk about her jesus christ and the comments here are no different

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iceunelle 2 days ago +15

What kills me is even if she did have plastic surgery, why are people shitting their brains out over it? All celebrities get plastic surgery. You don't have to like it, but people are acting like it's a moral failing to get plastic surgery while working in Hollywood. Also, the comments saying that she's faking Graves Disease are f****** horrible.

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Drakex2Mayex2 1 day ago +2

At least personally it's because of how it completely eliminated the ability for her to emote with her face and even with her ability to enouncuate certain words. She literally can't act anymore. I couldn't care less what she does to her face whatsoever. She is a grown woman. She is just a bad actor now. It's just sad. P.S. anyone who says she's faking graves disease is absolutely horrible

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canaryo 2 days ago +3

Exactly, whether she had any work done or not is irrelevant but the way people think it entitles them to talk about her the way they do is vile. Too many people online lack a basic kindness to strangers.

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revarien 2 days ago +5

Man graves if f****** terrible and it's terrible shit that she's going through - really hope she can find some peace through all this and hope she got paid well enough to not need anything again... sucks how some of the fans treated her through this whole thing

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InconspicuousD 2 days ago +147

I don’t know much about Graves’ disease but I’m skeptical that botched lip filler and buccal fat removal is a doctor recommended treatment for it. She got a lot of hate but I’ll argue that it’s good that we as a society are pushing back on cosmetic surgeries by in large.

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homeschooled 1 day ago +6

>She got a lot of hate but I’ll argue that it’s good that we as a society are pushing back on cosmetic surgeries by in large. This isn't really happening. We're just pushing back on the "bad" and noticeable plastic surgery. The "good" plastic surgery either goes unnoticed because it's subtle, or it's celebrated because the person is upfront/humorous about it, or because they're so good looking after the fact that no one cares. Ex of celebrated plastic surgeries: Kris Jenner's facelift, Brad Pitt's facelift, all the work Emma Stone has clearly had done, Kylie Jenner's whole body, Jennifer Lawrence's face, etc.

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MPLS_Poppy 2 days ago +30

We can push back against plastic surgery, and we should, but we don’t by being cruel to people. Even using the word “botched” is part of the problem. We should be encouraging everyone to feel comfortable in their skin so they don’t feel the need to do that.

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AkwardAA 2 days ago +7

why is botched a problem? hate piling on is bad but toxic poitivity ..only in listnook

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Reppoy 2 days ago +15

not being an a****** to individuals isn’t an example of toxic positivity lol

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Winter8Bones 2 days ago +9

Every time I see someone cry about "toxic positivity" they are undoubtedly an extremely toxic individual themselves...

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Which_way_witcher 2 days ago +12

Her eyelid surgery also completely changed her look and made her screen presence distracting. Maybe Graves Disease wouldn't be as distracting if she didn't completely change her face earlier and if she could speak without the lip injections slurring her words.

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ihatejomama 1 day ago +5

i still think she’s gorgeous. it was a little jarring at first (though not as bad as what people were saying it was) but she’s looked great in season 5, especially that one red carpet event she went to a few months ago. i know i’m contributing to it by talking about it but i can’t imagine struggling with an insecurity and then doing something to fix it, then having most of what everyone talks about being said insecurity. literally tens of thousands of (mostly) men calling her ugly and saying she ruined her face isn’t going to help change shit. i genuinely hated this fanbase and sublistnook during season 4 because of it. bullying her looks isn’t going to stop her from getting plastic surgery, if anything it’d make it worse and make her feel like she needs more because it functions in the same way as any other addiction. i hope she has a strong support system in her life and feels better soon. i’d love to see her in more roles

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littlemybb 1 day ago +4

I have Hashimoto’s and it sucks. I don’t think people realize how awful auto immune disorders can be. I’m so young so things aren’t as bad as they could be. But I’ve struggled with symptoms since I was 12. My parents always wrote it off as laziness, or normal teenage things. I think they should’ve realized a teenager sleeping for 16 hours and still being exhausted, and saying they feel sick all the time is not normal. My dad would also make comments about how much of my hair was around the house. Like yeah, it’s falling out. I struggle with feeling tired often. I’ll swing between feeling depressed and sleepy, or anxious, and like I can’t sleep. My weight fluctuates as well, which is fun. I’m also pretty sure I can’t eat gluten because of it, because I swell so much when I have anything with gluten.

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darkphalanxset 1 day ago +2

It sucks so much. I already had IBS, so my hashimotos diagnosis just meant even less things I could eat. But removing gluten and sticking to a low inflammatory diet dies help a lot. It sucks to eat chicken and sweet potatoes every day but it's better than dealing with the kore extreme symptoms

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MadisonAveMuse 2 days ago +8

I have graves and when you’re not being treated it feel like the life is slowly being sucked out of you. We didn’t catch it until I went into a thyroid storm. It’s so crazy that your thyroid can kill you.

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TheIronMatron 1 day ago +5

Hey, fellow sufferer 👋 I narrowly avoided the storm, but my numbers were extremely concerning and they made me start my meds before they’d let me leave the hospital.

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Morden013 2 days ago +5

She did a good job. Nothing to be unhappy about.

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Calm-Maintenance-878 2 days ago +4

Most recent episode makes more sense, she seems and sounded off in some scenes.

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mrblaze1357 2 days ago +3

Yeah I noticed it when her character was talking with her brother. Her voice would go in and out, or change pitch in not a normal way. I felt so bad for her, I'd hate to see what the unused takes were like

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TanAllOvaJanAllOva 1 day ago +3

It’s so weird to bring up with as if people won’t still shit on her or point out all the plastic surgery. People don’t talk about like Jennifer Aniston for what she did to her face, because she’s not pretending to not have had a bunch of stuff done. I hope she’s able to work out whatever is going on.

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RheaSloane 1 day ago +5

Oh gosh, that sounds so rough... I hope she gets to feel better soon, this sounds really heavy. :)

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Agitated_Tip_8713 1 day ago +4

I am in no way talking shit about her, she's a clearly beautiful, talented, respectable actress who's doing great work in her field. God it shows she is having an awful time this season and I hope there's some treatment path for her.

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Chardan0001 2 days ago +49

Like how people treat Selena Gomez for her lupus or Emelia Clarke with her brain surgeries.

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BigBigBop 2 days ago +42

I mean the graves didnt overfill her lips... or give her insane cheekbones. I dont doubt she actually has graves.. but none of the symptoms of graves are why people were talking about the way she looked last season. Her lips are still kind of crazy this season too.

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Dazzling-Stomach-472 2 days ago +4

Look I have a thyroid condition and it can f*** you up mentally so bad. I contemplated plastic surgery more because I felt terrible about myself all the time and how this illness fucked up my body. I can’t imagine having to be in the limelight and deal with that pressure while struggling with a chronic illness. I think there are way more problematic people out here getting plastic surgery that should be shamed. Looking at you, Kardashians.

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TheDevi13ean 2 days ago +4

The number one thing people were saying about her was her getting buccal fat removal. Her gaunt look absolutely was related to graves. That's still one thing that didn't hit right.

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False-Mortgage307 2 days ago +5

People really overused armchair diagnosing buccal fat removal since they learned the phrase. I didn't think Erin had had it, rather she looked unhealthily thin with a nose job and lip filler.

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LizzieSaysHi 2 days ago +12

My oldest kid has Graves but it's been managed for many years. It's not a disease I'd wish on anyone, it's scary af.

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TwerkinAndCryin 1 day ago +7

Graves disease is literally a nightmare. I had to drop out of college for a year because I couldn't stay awake on the ten minute drive there, let alone in class. It can cause graves opthalmos, which is where your body starts attacking the cells around your eyes, causing your eyes to protrude unnaturally from your head. I've had my left eye pop out of its socket twice in my life and I can't even describe the feeling. I had to have an orbital decompression where they took out fat from around my eye, and as much of my orbital bone as possible without risking it collapsing. To this day it is the most painful thing I've ever experienced, including childbirth. I've had to have 2 eyelid surgeries where they cut open your eyelid to sever part of the muscle so it doesn't open as wide. And you have to be awake for it so they can make sure they're doing it symmetrically. And the muscle grows back and regains strength, as muscles do with regular use, so you have to just keep having it done over and over again. My heart hurts for her. It literally affects every single facet of your life. I look like a completely different person than I did for the first 19 years of my life. Having to come to terms with that took years itself. Graves is a f****** monster that is rarely talked about.

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schmoopy_meow 1 day ago +3

I feel bad for her, I really like her character

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Admirable_Cicada_881 1 day ago +3

Yeah this fandom is the f****** worst. People who actually spend time to involve themselves in others decisions to get plastic surgery are absolutely vile and disgusting people. Mind your damn business

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Comfortable-Bug7202 2 days ago +17

She has the disease but also had a bunch of procedures. Both can be true. Similar to how efron looks like the chad meme when supposedly was an injury is laughable

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GinAndDumbBitchJuice 1 day ago +5

Hey, I have that! It's f****** terrible, but what's even worse is that people are more worried about how it affects your appearance than how awful the symptoms are.

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babymamaIIamadrama 2 days ago +17

Graves didn’t give her a rhinoplasty

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Derpykins666 2 days ago +13

Sucks that she's got Graves Disease but people are def. going around and saying that this is the reason she looks really off these days, and I bet she does look a lot worse because of it, but she has definitely had a lot of cosmetic surgery on top of the disease taking a toll her on her body. I feel bad for people being mean to her, but I think we need to collectively agree that the surgeries are way too far, there's an extent to which this type of stuff makes you look outwardly unwell and abnormal, like you're wearing your insecurities openly while acting like you're masking it all super well. Perhaps its a way for her to cope with this disease and to help her feel better, but man is it sad to watch as an outsider. There isn't much she can do about a disease diagnoses, but the cosmetic stuff is way too much, and I get that the gut check is that she's sick so we can't comment on stuff like that, but I think it's kind of important to talk about. One of the big symptoms of Graves is weight loss, but weight loss doesn't completely change your facial structure and features to this degree. The other is bulging eyes, thyroid problems, tiredness, skin reddening and tremors, like hand tremors. Sounds horrible, wouldn't wish it on anyone. We're seeing some of that, but that's not entirely what's happening. Perhaps it's better for her that the show is ending though, maybe the best thing for her is to just be done with it all for a while and take care of herself.

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DualDier 2 days ago +16

The problem is she gave into the haters and had terrible plastic surgery done so the haters won. Which is a damn shame because she was so beautiful before all the surgery.

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Popzagon 2 days ago +10

This will sound insensitive but is this going to be another instance where celebrity has severe health issues but also gets terrible work done and hides behind their illness. (Selena Gomez)

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Satanigram 2 days ago +7

"Graves Disease" maybe she has it have it maybe not , but it doesn't change your nose completely and it doesn't make your face not move at all when you talk.

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hems72 1 day ago +2

Hyperthyroidism is no joke…I lost 25 pounds in 6 weeks.

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cooljazz 1 day ago +2

My last girlfriend had graves disease. She had the eye bulging and thinner hair because of the thyroid issue. It sucked.

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MelaniaSexLife 1 day ago +2

I hope she's fine.

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SimthingEvilLurks 1 day ago +2

I have Graves Disease. Luckily, I never suffered any facial changes. I had my thyroid removed as soon as I found out what was wrong. For 12+ years, a pill has been doing what my thyroid was supposed to had it been normal instead of overactive. I wish there were a cure rather than a bandaid for the problem.

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EducatedRat 1 day ago +2

I have Graves Disease. It almost killed me. It took a ling time to get under control. I stopped counting my weight-loss at 104 pounds because I looked gaunt and sick. I could literally feel my hip bones through my butt which was nonexistent. I felt nauseated and threw up constantly. There were people that kept complimenting me on the weight loss while my hair was falling out. I hate the way I looked then. I can’t even look at pictures. I have been in remission for a long time now but it changed my entire life’s trajectory. I hope she is in remission and feels better.

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Soggy_Motor9280 2 days ago +6

When she talks it’s like two Pringle chips moving

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serskully 1 day ago +4

some of these comments are disgusting. we all know that erin has been suffering with her physical and mental health and still people continue to cruelly speculate on what work (if any) she's had done on her face. and even if she has had any plastic surgery, which i seriously doubt, it's none of your business.

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realfakejames 2 days ago +7

Is Graves’ disease why she got the Kardashian buccal fat removal plastic surgery that fucked up her face

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zion2199 2 days ago +6

Avid fan of The Boys. I know nothing of Graves disease beyond what I read on Twitter / X and in YouTube comment section of vids covering this. Most people seem very, very convinced that what we are seeing is beyond just Graves disease. People with the disease have commented and people claiming to be plastic surgeons have commented and it appears the overwhelming majority agree she had plastic surgery and it seemingly did not go well. I'm not taking a stance b/c I personally don't know. All I can say is that it's unfortunate b/c, as a viewer, her scenes really do pull me from the immersion. It's just such a drastic change in appearance that it becomes impossible (for me) to ignore. Hopefully her health improves either way.

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CosmicJam13 1 day ago +2

Okay but we know it’s not just graves

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