Does Trump doesn't even agree with even his statements in the space of three minutes? If I was an EU negotiator a beachside holiday on the Mediterranean would be a better use of my time
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Schlonzig6 days ago
+8
Any deal would fly out the window the first time somebody from Europe doesn't grovel at Trump's feet low enough anyway.
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poopey_doopey_Sr6 days ago
+70
Did Europe not agree to change the name of the Eiffel Tower to the Trump-Eiffel Tower?
"Is this real?" You might ask.
Who knows anymore!
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ElizBorneopentowork6 days ago
+78
What a dumbass headline.
The negotiations failed, it comes from all parties. Not Eu negotiatiors in particular.
And if we look at the specifics, the EU no longer wants to negotiate with an actor constantly demonstrating bad faith. So if anyone has failed here, it's the US side, since they can no longer be trusted to honor whatever proposal they may have.
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I_Push_Buttonz6 days ago
+41
> What a dumbass headline. The negotiations failed, it comes from all parties. Not Eu negotiatiors in particular.
>
> And if we look at the specifics, the EU no longer wants to negotiate with an actor constantly demonstrating bad faith. So if anyone has failed here, it's the US side, since they can no longer be trusted to honor whatever proposal they may have.
Did you actually read the article? This isn't about negotiations between the US and EU... Those already happened and an agreement with Trump was already reached.
This article is about negotiations between the European Commission, the European Council, and the European Parliament on the specifics of implementing said previous deal... And as the headline says, they can't agree on how to do it because the various involved parties want different things.
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CamusCrankyCamel6 days ago
+18
Bro was complaining about the headline of an article they didn’t even read lmao
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ElizBorneopentowork6 days ago
-14
I have read the article, but what you fail to understand is that the "failure" politico tries to highlight is not one. It's as if the US side received a proposal which is interesting. So they accept to bring it to Trump and Trump rejects it and it is framed as a failure of US side.
No it's not, it's simply how negotiations work. The deal reached was never a "let's sign and move on", but always a "let's check with the decision maker and reconvene". And after checking, the EU considers it's not good enough. Why? Because they don't trust Trump and ask for more safeguard of European interests.
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I_Push_Buttonz6 days ago
+14
Ok, but you just complained about "negotiating with an actor who constantly demonstrates bad faith" and said "if anyone failed here, its the US side"... There is no US side here, they aren't negotiating with Trump... This is entirely EU politicians negotiating amongst themselves.
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ElizBorneopentowork6 days ago
-8
There is no US side because at this stage it's not necessary yet.
The EU is a union, people who are confident within the group try to negotiate 1) if there is a middle ground which can be found with less confident member.
2) if so, what is the middle ground. It can be some internal agreement within the EU, or a counter proposal.
If they do want a counter proposal, they will go back to the US side to bring it.
But it's not a failure, it's exactly how the EU was designed to work.
Politico being a very pro US newspaper, they try to frame EU politics as failure, which, going back to my initial comment, is dumb.
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Charybdis1506 days ago
+7
Man I really don’t know who you’re trying to fool here, but everyone can read your original comment. It’s ok to admit you didn’t actually read the article before commenting. That’s almost everyone on Listnook anyways.
Trying to frame this as a pro-US headline is some serious reach here too. This is the same wording used by Politico to [describe when the US Congress doesn’t pass funding bills](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/02/12/congress/dhs-shutdown-all-but-certain-00778721), or when [they are unable to override a presidential veto.](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2026/01/08/congress/trump-vetoes-sustained-00717160) I think you have just lost the plot.
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Iksan7776 days ago
-1
To be honest, the article quality is not the best. The first thing is that a handshake is not a real method of the EU to make deals and to aprove a trade deal the EU usually take a long time (and is good that they do it that way), and then the supposed "negotiations" between the differents EU bodies are portrayed very weirdly to me.
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Technical-Motor35466 days ago
-10
Yeah but everyone is looking at the EU to be smart and mature. If your plumber fails to unclog your toilet you don't say it was 50% the toilet's fault.
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asdf-76446 days ago
+10
That's not a good analogy other than the fact the US negotiators are constantly full of shit.
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ElizBorneopentowork6 days ago
+3
It's a bad analogy. The EU is not mandated to reach a deal with the US.
It's more: you clog your toilet with an orange slime that is very costly to clean. You call the plumber to unclog it and when he realizes what you did he wants nothing to do with it because it's just not worth the hassle. And if he gives you a quote, it will be an expensive one, which you think is too high because it would mean acknowledging you shat in the glue in the first place.
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Technical-Motor35466 days ago
But then you say "That plumber couldn't unclog my pipes, is he stupid?!"
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PicoRascar6 days ago
+16
“If a deal isn’t a deal, then I think the United States would walk away from it,” he said.
That's rich coming from the US given they have no problem breaking deals. Just ask Canada, Mexico, Iran, South Korea, and virtually every US trading partner by implementing tariffs in violation of WTO obligations.
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MastodonParking90806 days ago
-2
You could argue everybody else was violating WTO obligations in the first place.
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ButterscotchOk53393 days ago
+2
Ok, we’re waiting.
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wgszpieg6 days ago
+5
>Under the handshake deal reached at Trump’s Turnberry resort last July, the EU agreed to scrap its tariffs on U.S. industrial goods, while Washington would cap tariffs on most goods at 15 percent.
First of all - that's a shit deal.
Secondly, anyone who's been paying attention knows this will not be upheld by the US. Tariffs are one of the two sole tricks Trump knows. It doesn't matter how many trade deals you sign, he'll keep coming back for more, threatening tariffs again.
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Vast_Abalone37506 days ago
+2
Seems to me that Trump hates not getting a deal, but hate people willing to make a deal even more. Almost like he instictually perceive negotiation as a weakness and wants both humiliation alongside concessions. And if he gets those concessions then he will happily dismiss them just to make completely unreasonable demands on top of it.
He wanted Iran to make a deal, pushed for a deal and almost sweet-talked them publically. Then when Iran actually announced they wanted to make a deal, then he proceeded to threaten to blow them up. He got what he wanted and threw it away just to demand more.
I can't really understand how this is "The Art of the Deal", but i'm guessing this would work with small-time contractors and such. At this point it seems that whatever adversary he has simply prolong the entire thing until he gets bored and moves on to something new.
For all his faults I can atleast appreciate that he has brought international politics to the people. For the first time in history international politics isn't done by diplomats behind closed doors, it's done openly on Truth Social and our/his politicans are just as clueless as any guy on the street.
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Fuzzy-Shape-16016 days ago
+6
Politico is usa propaganda stop posting this shit cant a mod seriously ban these hostnames
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Tanren6 days ago
+2
90 deals in 90 days?
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The_Artist_Who_Mines6 days ago
+2
Ban politico
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SnooStories84326 days ago
+2
I don’t understand what European leaders are thinking. Many developing countries have long experienced the United States’ erratic behavior, yet Europeans still seem to be clinging to the illusion that “Europe and the United States share the same values.”
I suspect that many Europeans are under the illusion that once Trump leaves office, the United States will stop treating Europe so badly.
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bahumat425 days ago
+3
Surely them not agreeing to the deal is the opposite of clinging to that illusion?
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Smoldervan5 days ago
+3
Why bother negotiating?
Treat the US as a "volatile market" and put it in "Priority 4" aka "we'll sell/buy when or if we do" which would be like treating each sale as a wholly independent event with no expectations of a returning customer.
It would also allow the EU to focus on stable customers elsewhere, perhaps customers who aren't led by a megalomaniac?
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SpeedDaemon19696 days ago
+7
Trump has the mind of a toddler. you'd think that a bunch of seasoned negotiators could just outsmart him.
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Muted-Tradition-12346 days ago
+4
That's like saying "surely the chess grandmaster can beat the pigeon at chess".
The problem is that the pigeon isn't playing chess
To be more concrete: how are you going to get Trump to honour for the first time ever an agreement he made?
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cyanawesome6 days ago
+7
I mean we used to be able to count on the Americans to pursue their own self-interests... but now you can't even count on that. I don't envy the negotiators.
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Technical-Motor35466 days ago
+3
Have you ever tried to argue with a toddler? And honestly naptime is less complicated than international trade although you wouldn't know it given some of the conversations I've had.
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omicron86 days ago
+2
You can outsmart a baby but that doesn't mean it's not going to c*** on your hand
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ux3l6 days ago
+1
I think if EU sent a deal (exactly the deal he agreed to a month or so ago) directly to him with a fake before/after comparison, he'd sign it.
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