I was just going to say, didn't Palantir get major access to NHS data?
EDIT: I never said UK was part of the EU, people. But if a guy is doing shady shit to your neighbors house, it's probably a good idea to not let him in.
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pchs261 day ago
+130
Yes and it is possible Palantir might be the most blatantly dangerous - and that isn't underestimating the others
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unematti1 day ago
+41
It's the most dangerous because they are actively working with a rogue state. The others are just working for themselves and not by default accessed by the same rogue state(but they can easily be)
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Hirork1 day ago
+80
Yes, but that's not a new thing they've been twisting their tendrils around government datasets since before the begining of this decade.
The reason government was so eager to jump on is because they offered to do it for free.99. The play being that they get the government dependent on their product to function. Rory Stewart recently opened up about when they approached his department at the time he was still in government. Believe that was the prisons service.
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AlkaiserSoze1 day ago
+50
They offered to do it for FREE? You're kidding me. That's the shadiest of all deals.
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tegat1 day ago
+23
I don't think it would matter in NHS case. NHS is part of UK, not part of EU.
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Four_beastlings1 day ago
+11
The headline says Europe. I wish press in general were more careful distinguishing between Europe and the EU.
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goodmobileyes1 day ago
+2
I think it's fairly understood in layman terms these days that "Europe" refers to the EU, since they are the only European group that could be collectively regulated. Especially in articles referring to "European" legislation
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Eatpineapplerightnow1 day ago
+1
if you read the article "europe" refers to European Commision
EDIT: just realized you wanted that in the headline. cheers
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JP761 day ago
+18
Even though headline says Europe, the article is about new regulations that European Commission (EU) is planning. It doesn't include UK.
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Wise_Owl54041 day ago
+3
Well the article is actually referring to steps taken by the EU, an organization the UK is no longer a member of. I agree that the EU should also be barring Palantir, but doing so would currently have no great effect on what happens in the UK.
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ArneHD1 day ago
+6
This is about the EU, so maybe the NHS will have to sever ties in a couple of years when or if the UK rejoins.
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goodmobileyes1 day ago
+3
That's the UK, the article in question is about the EU
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deedee21481 day ago
+1
UK left the EU. That's their problem.
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Previous-Height42371 day ago
+1
The UK is not part of the EU.
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ChicoZombye1 day ago
+1
UK is not a neigbor, it's an ex-roomate who left.
They have their own agendas. Russia, Africa are closer to mainland Europe than the UK is in terms of actual distance but that doesn't mean EU will do what they are doing.
If EU does it it's his own fuckup with full blame.
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AlkaiserSoze1 day ago
+1
So.. because Palantir is probably going to do some nefarious stuff to UK then the EU shouldn't add Palantir to the ban list because f*** UK? Did I get that right? That's the logic you're going with? The logic that Palantir is okay because they're exploiting a country who isn't part of the EU? Because that was the point of this particular thread. Palantir should be added to the EU ban list.
And yeah, I get the emotional issue in discussing anything UKxEU but like it or not, Palantir is trying to operate in the region of Western Europe. No sense in cutting off your nose to spite your face. America does that. Trust me, it doesn't really work. EU needs to ban Palantir.
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JP761 day ago
+2
Pretty sure all foreign companies will be affected. They just mention the well-known ones.
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Street_Anxiety29071 day ago
+2
Yep, France Spain Portugal Belgium and Germany are all in contract with Palantir so that's not going to be easy right now.
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imaginary_num6er1 day ago
+8
Yeah but the UK is already part of the European continent
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segv1 day ago
+65
not the EU, tho
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PositiveUse1 day ago
+1
Problem is that Palantir has very strong bonds to the conservatives in EU… maybe the best network out of the big tech
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ken_the_boxer1 day ago
+344
And the site this article is on wants to set cookies from 221 different companies.
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ryanknapper1 day ago
+69
Don't worry, they have legitimate interest.
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whuuutKoala1 day ago
+27
…to f*** your wallet for needless things!
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Patient-Ordinary-3591 day ago
+19
wtf has that got to do with the price of fish?
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Aware-Instance-2101 day ago
+31
Same as continental drift, you ain't even seeing it happening
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RetypedForClarity1 day ago
+8
Both are rising
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NimrodvanHall1 day ago
+65
In the mean time the Dutch government allowed [the sale of DigID](https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/politiek/artikel/5598452/contractverlenging-digid-bedrijf-gaat-door-ondanks-kort-geding-en) the governmental service that allows for electronic identification to a US tech company.
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MetalBawx1 day ago
+190
In comparison the UK government just gave Palantir another contract handling NHS data... One day after getting their arses spanked in local elections and Starmer promising things would change.
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azthal1 day ago
+33
It's not a new contract. It's the same contract from a few years ago.
What changed is that palantir employees will be granted admin rights to the core system instead of having to request it each time. The arguments are that it is to inefficient.
They already had access, now they removed some of the checks and balances.
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nicuramar1 day ago
-5
> What changed is that palantir employees will be granted admin rights to the core system instead of having to request it each time
No, what changed is that they will now, when needed, get broader access (ie admin) instead of case-by-case access.
-5
azthal1 day ago
+7
How is that different from what I said?
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deathentry1 day ago
+34
With all these new EU rules, especially for things like VPN bans it feels like the UK is setting up to be a gatekeeper to bridge US and EU 🤣
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Blbe-Check-420691 day ago
+31
Yeah... Good they left the EU lol. Imagine having that bridge inside. Would be akin to a trojan horse...
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Conscious_Self98441 day ago
+7
Airstrip One
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TummySpuds1 day ago
+1
For clarity, the contract was agreed under the previous government. Labour and Starmer had nothing to do with it.
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MetalBawx1 day ago
+1
Your not clarifying but rather trying to shift the blame.
The current government has chosen to expand these contracts with 0 alternative bids. Thus they have become culpable for the harm and risk involved just as much as the Tories.
They are also expending the surveillance powers of the Online Safety Act and thus get the blame for that decision too.
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VividB821 day ago
The UK isn’t Europe
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swrrrrg1 day ago
+40
But the UK is trusting Palantir? Jfc. Make this make sense. I’m not suggesting anyone trust *any* of them, but my god. We’re all doomed.
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p_29231 day ago
+7
When the day comes, there are way more of us than them.
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Objective-Ad-5851 day ago
+16
Are you kidding ? Half of the Morons will be duped into believing it’s a good thing.
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floppysausage161 day ago
+13
Exactly. Its not the poor vs rich.
Its the poor vs the poor the rich control.
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VividB821 day ago
See this comment a lot. The UK isn’t Europe
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swrrrrg1 day ago
+1
I’m well aware of that.
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Previous-Height42371 day ago
The UK is not part of the EU.
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Batmorous1 day ago
-2
No stop being doom and gloom. Have hope and do with others locally and internationally. The UK needs help to get organized and get things done day in and day out
-2
Klepdar1 day ago
+33
Psst you should include palantir because they're worse than all of them combined
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pchs261 day ago
+5
Exactly I find it very notable they aren't. It isn't a secret who they are which makes me sometimes question the state of some things...
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thestereo3001 day ago
+2
To everyone naming Palantir....
This regulation is regarding cloud storage and computing. This is why they are naming these 3 specific companies because they ARE the market for this.
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FixedFun11 day ago
+8
I wish Proton had more support on stuff like this. They're not perfect but it would be nice to see a more "healthy" company get it.
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Mexer1 day ago
+1
Proton is great. Never had an issue with them in years of daily use
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Sedert18821 day ago
+12
Meanwhile the UK just gave Palantir unfettered access to its NHS. Well done!
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snorlz1 day ago
+10
half these comments are about Palantir, showing no one understands what this article is saying. Theyre talking about these companies as cloud providers, not in the normal sense. Palantir is not a cloud provider- they use Amazon
Those three run pretty much all cloud computing, which power virtually every site and internet service you use. Im actually not sure how Europe will handle this going forward cause if I'm reading it right, this hamstrings Europe's ability to build internet applications. Depending on how strict the regulations are ofc. Forces them or a european company to build out their own data centers at a scale that can handle all that information, which obviously would take years, and the highly engineered tools to efficiently use those cloud services that Microsoft, Amazon, Google have spent years working on.
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space_prostitute1 day ago
+4
SAP, Thalassa, Hetzner, STACKIT, Leafcloud, Civo, EKS, Ringover, Scaleway, OVHcloud, Alibaba...
The U.S. is not the center of the world.
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yourfriendlyreminder1 day ago
+4
All of those combined have less Market share in Europe than AWS.
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space_prostitute1 day ago
I fail to see how that would "hamstring Europe's ability to build internet applications"
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yourfriendlyreminder1 day ago
+5
Well, for one, the European cloud providers don't provide the same level of quality or breadth of services. And their market share proves it.
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ViktenPoDalskidan22 hr ago
+1
Cloud providers, sure, but AWS/GCP/Azure has way more services and/or products attached for development, security and more
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Medium-Pitch-576822 hr ago
+1
I guess it depends exactly what qualifies as government health, financial, and legal data. That would determine how broad the impact is. GDPR is probably still more impactful to most European companies and foreign companies used in Europe.
I assume public companies would not have access that information, but also not constrained by the limitations.
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nicuramar1 day ago
+1
> showing no one understands what this article is saying
What a massive surprise :p
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Matild41 day ago
+13
Here in Finland our current government has their tongues so far up Trump's butt that they want to give our voting systems to Amazon and our tax data to Microsoft.
Ashamed to live here.
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57721566491 day ago
+5
Have you thought about repatriating Torvalds?
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Substantial_Milk81701 day ago
+23
The most shocking part of this headline is finding out they were actually allowed to handle that kind of data in the first place.
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cipheron1 day ago
+31
This isn't about the companies handling data directly, it's about cloud services such as AWS, or about organizations using products such as SharePoint.
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RevolutionaryWorry871 day ago
+18
To clarify on this good point:
The required move is a massive technical leap. The vast majorirt iof government/corporations largely rely heavily on Microsoft, Google or Amazon. 99.9%.
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scruffles3601 day ago
+12
What an ignorant take. Those three companies make up such a large portion of the public cloud that the rest is essentially a rounding error. None of them access the actual data. They're cloud providers.
Which of course is the point of this action.. not to protect your data, but to establish a European cloud provider by putting a thumb on the scale.
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Nipun1371 day ago
-10
Yeah, but imagine the outcry if those were Chinese cloud providers instead. EU worries about being dependent on China when they are 100 times more depedent on US. Pure stupidity.
-10
unencrypted-enigma1 day ago
+46
Meanwhile they are eager to feed their most sensitive data into Palantir software. Its mental.
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Patient-Ordinary-3591 day ago
+24
Doesn't sound very eager to me: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-army-excludes-us-tech-firm-palantir-from-cloud-project-over-data-security-concerns/3921703. The Palantir backlash is here and will just accelerate. Existing contracts will stagnate or get cancelled and new contracts will be harder and harder to come by.
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unencrypted-enigma1 day ago
+13
The police is really eager to implement it though. Some States in Germany have already implemented it, others want it really bad.
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Patient-Ordinary-3591 day ago
+4
Yep but 2025 is already a long time ago. That manifesto was just some weird shit, and the tide will turn. On top of that, the public in Germany isn't that keen on a new police state. Outrage will grow and take its toll.
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unencrypted-enigma1 day ago
+5
We‘ll see. Police is still wants it and they have a powerful lobby. A lot of politicians also really want mass surveillance
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Bonamikengue1 day ago
-1
There is no "the police" in Germany. Every state has its own police. And most states said already NO to Palantir. It is Germany's Texas - Bavaria - eager to use it.
-1
unencrypted-enigma1 day ago
+2
Oh look how smart you think you are. The comparison of Bavaria being the german Texas is pretty dumb to begin with.
That being said: Hesse is using it since 2017, North Rhine-Westphalia is using it since 2020.
Baden-Wurttemberg will start using it in Q2 2026
So its not only Bavaria. You’re just wrong.
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pchs261 day ago
+3
It's of high urgency right now.. The European markets/public are more receptive to government involvement and regulations then places like the US.
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GreatStateOfSadness1 day ago
The TSP would impact all foreign tech firms, including Palantir.
Read. The. Article. Before. You. Comment.
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unencrypted-enigma1 day ago
+3
It wouldn’t impact Palantir from what I understand. The policy is directed at cloud providers. As far as I am aware Palantir software can be installed on self hosted servers.
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-Hickle-1 day ago
UK ≠ EU
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Previous-Height42371 day ago
-1
The UK is not part of the EU
-1
unencrypted-enigma1 day ago
+2
Whats your point? For example german police is starting to use it and feeds it sensitive information. Is Germany not part of the EU?
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space_prostitute1 day ago
Do people seriously not remember Brexit?
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Fuzzy-Shape-16011 day ago
+20
get the f****** americans out of europe
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EquivalentArea17821 day ago
-12
Don’t worry, this attitude will be reflected in the US also.
-12
asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf1 day ago
+5
To unlock whats up here one detail, digital services are a large chunk of US external trade surplus specially to its single most important foreign market, which is Europe (30% of all US digital service business). So the move is not just some challenge about data safety or privacy laws, it has potential to redirect €180bn / year (data [https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2026/number/1/article/services-at-the-core-the-missing-piece-of-transatlantic-trade-talks.html](https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2026/number/1/article/services-at-the-core-the-missing-piece-of-transatlantic-trade-talks.html) ).
just to compare, yearly US-EU service trade is worth $501 billion. And \~ 78% of that is digital services, that should give a hint how severe the situation can become, reciprocal intentions would only manifest a possible impact. If that is good or bad, you can judge yourself.
looking ahead, that means other countries might turn to other services as well and voilà competition makes more fun again. (nothing to see here, business as usual)
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EquivalentArea17821 day ago
-5
Nah, the EU wants to split from the US. Let’s roll these dice.
Europeans can start by deleting Listnook. Put your money where your talk is.
-5
surg3on1 day ago
+6
The saying is 'Put your money where your mouth is'. If a troll bot you are forgiven.
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[deleted]1 day ago
+1
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EquivalentArea17821 day ago
You used a bunch of words, but you didn’t say very much.
✌️
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Winter-Rip7121 day ago
-13
It's the punishment for bailing you idiots out of two world wars.
-13
EquivalentArea17821 day ago
-2
The Eurobots will downvote you. I hate Trump with ever fiber of my being, but I think he’s right about leaving the EU to itself. Let them spend their money on defense.
-2
Thrillog1 day ago
+1
Yes please, let us. We'll let you drown in your own, little ways...
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Suspicious-Gur-84531 day ago
+6
Can't blame them.
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Bitplayer131 day ago
+6
But UK is giving Palantir free rein. Might reconsider that
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pamalamTX1 day ago
+3
That's a smart plan.
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legendary0341 day ago
+3
Don't forget Oracle health
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mqrdesign1 day ago
+3
Good decision
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nicuramar1 day ago
+3
“Europe”? You mean the EU.
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Desperate-Hearing-551 day ago
+6
While they are allowing Palantir....!??
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Eatpineapplerightnow1 day ago
+3
the UK is allowing palantir
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mikeinanaheim21 day ago
+8
All except for England. They are opening their health database to Palantir, of all possible choices. And this is not sarcasm either.
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-Hickle-1 day ago
+4
Sadly England is not part of the EU anymore
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GreenSouth31 day ago
+2
yikes!
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The-Oxrib-and-Oyster1 day ago
+2
this is about the EU
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Dutch12061 day ago
+5
Funny, this fell right below the Palantir gaining access to the NHS on my feed.
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PhantasmologicalAnus1 day ago
+2
Moving or just dreaming, again?
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Rootspam1 day ago
+2
Yes! No one will spy on our citizens... except for us once we pass chat control 2.0!!!
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BorntoBomb1 day ago
+2
Do it now
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rapidanalysis1 day ago
+2
This is great news for small startups that sell hardware for homes and small businesses to *move off the cloud...*
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One-Treat46551 day ago
+2
About time.
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CaribouJovial1 day ago
+2
This should never have happened in the first place.
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CodeXploit19781 day ago
+2
About f****** time.
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Hawthorn3331 day ago
+2
Awesome, this is a great start.
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PapaGilbatron1 day ago
+4
Not fast enough as the UK has just allowed Palantir full access to NHS public medical records.
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nicuramar1 day ago
+2
That’s a bit misleading, actually. But anyway, the headline is wrong.
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-Hickle-1 day ago
+3
UK ≠ EU
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nicuramar1 day ago
Tell that to the headline writer.
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ChunkyHD1 day ago
-1
UK == Europe; Read the headline Hickle
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The-Oxrib-and-Oyster1 day ago
+1
but not the EU bud
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ChunkyHD1 day ago
Again '*bud*'; read the article headline. '**Europe** is moving to block Microsoft, Amazon, and Google from handling government health, financial, and legal data.'
Reading comprehension is hard I guess.
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f3n2x1 day ago
The European Commission has nothing to do with the UK. Maybe read past the headline too?
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ChunkyHD1 day ago
Maybe understand the response was in reference to the misleading headline?
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scytob1 day ago
+4
meh, amazon and microsoft already have EU sovereign clouds, so this is no big issue, and if this law tries to block that i think they will find it will fail in EU courts as the EU legal entities are the ones that run the sovereign clouds
what they have proven is most customers don't want to use soverign clouds because of the downsides of not being able to use cross border services
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Puiucs1 day ago
+2
finally. should have happened much earlier.
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DFWjohnny1 day ago
+1
Honestly don't know what systems are used outside the US in large healthcare systems - Epic seems to be the 'standard' in hospitals in America, what is used in European hospitals?
I'm wondering if that means Apps like Apple Health are getting the boot in the EU and other health apps originating in the App Store or Google Play? Things are a mess right now and it is embarrassing AF but perhaps is calling out too much centralization of data on the big 3 cloud service providers who seem to have an affinity to cozying up tp governments to share data.
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mosen661 day ago
+1
Smart
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moderatenerd1 day ago
+1
so does this mean steve jobs frozen head is in Switzerland?
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grathontolarsdatarod1 day ago
+1
GOOD.
I hope that also comes with a re-think on how 5-eyes works (or how every many eyes their are now).
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SereneOrbit1 day ago
+1
Good, divest entirely from all US services and build your own.
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Naamch31 day ago
+1
lol, and who do they propose handle something of that scale and confidentiality? A European company, lol?
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Confident_Client_4141 day ago
+1
Next, cut off Roman Numeral Ten, formerly Twitter.
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okachobii1 day ago
+1
I cloud have sworn the NHS had a partnership with both Microsoft and Amazon for their own services.
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VanilaaGorila1 day ago
+1
Europe is about to face a major energy crisis… I think they have other things to worry about. Mainly convincing Germans they have been subjects of anti nuclear Russian propaganda… but yeah worry about mega data.
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Woebetide1381 day ago
+1
YES!!!
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BehindThyCamel1 day ago
+1
Maybe make it a requirement that all company's data centers are physically within the EU. Sure, it might hinder some European companies, too, but privacy and security don't come for free, or even c****.
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unlimitedbuttholes1 day ago
+1
This is great news! My Green Ledger Book Company stock is about to go to the mooooooonnnn!!!
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BoneZone051 day ago
+1
They’re on the right track. Imagine Europe becoming the new *land of the free*
wow
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30yearCurse1 day ago
+1
Fine, some local EU company will do it, then get bought up in 10 years. Happens here all the time
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Sure-Whereas356221 hr ago
+1
Makes sense
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gottabe_kd17 hr ago
+1
Ok. But salesforce got all of our immunization data here in BC, maybe we could ban them, too?
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Doctor_Saved15 hr ago
+1
Good luck with that.
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Terrible-Group-96021 day ago
+1
Ooh 'moving'.
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Agitated-Ad-5041 day ago
+1
But not Planatir? 😂 oh okay
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-Hickle-1 day ago
UK ≠ EU
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merlinuwe1 day ago
+1
Never. (ROFL)
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BlackbirdSage1 day ago
+1
Meanwhile the UK, just gave Palantir unrestricted access to NHS patient data.
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RebelliousInNature1 day ago
+1
Yeah and the uk is handing palantir patient data.
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-Hickle-1 day ago
+1
UK ≠ EU
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RebelliousInNature1 day ago
+1
Yes. That’s why my comment says ‘and the Uk is’
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wichramdoiuseplshelp1 day ago
Awesome
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Noxodium1 day ago
-1
Didn't they just suck Palantir's d***
-1
PM_Your_Best_Ideas1 day ago
+2
The UK is only a small part of Europe...
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novavalue1 day ago
...and then hand it all to Palantir instead.
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas1 day ago
+2
The UK is only like 10-15% of Europe...
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A_Large_Fries1 day ago
What is the real available fix so for Corp? Open Office and Whatsapp?
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myelodysplasto1 day ago
+2
Signal instead of WhatsApp
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EvilToastedWeasel01 day ago
But palantir gets all the goodies....
Block that evil Corporat company before it's way too late.
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Fair-Hair20801 day ago
WTH would ANY of these companies NEED access to citizens healthcare information?
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Initial_Hedgehog_6311 day ago
-2
So the US needs to ban US agencies and grant recipients from using SAP?
-2
lew_rong1 day ago
+5
A quick donation to the Epstein Ballroom will quash that lol
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GeorgeWashingfun1 day ago
-2
Absolutely nothing article. The EU doesn't have a suitable replacement for all of the services these companies provide. They'll be paying more money for worse service and less security, and since this change won't apply to private businesses American tech will still be handling plenty of sensitive data.
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