It's affecting student pilots in flight school as well. My fuel surcharge for lessons is nearly triple lately.
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majorassburger2 days ago
+149
Wtf you have to pay for fuel as a student?!
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MultiMillionMiler2 days ago
+202
Yep an hourly fuel fee. Used to be only $6-7/hr per lesson. Now a 1.5 hours lesson is $25+ for fuel!
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BugRevolutionary45182 days ago
+68
Yep. My nephew is going to Embry-Riddle (he’s in Switzerland right now for training - not sure how that works) but he texted me that jet fuel prices are all F’d up.
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MultiMillionMiler2 days ago
+30
Well I'm at the lowest level of training (PPL, pre-solo..etc) in the Cessnas so it's just "AVGAS" not jet fuel but guess it's the same price effect on any fuel idk.
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BugRevolutionary45182 days ago
+23
Any petroleum product, from what I read.
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Drunkgummybear12 days ago
+7
Yup. I work in a metal foundry and the wax price is creeping up.
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MultiMillionMiler2 days ago
+15
Well f*** then I guess my lessons will be hovering around $450 ish total for a while now.
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PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_2 days ago
+8
Just wait till it hits $450 an hour.
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Tusan12222 days ago
+2
Where tf do you live? Lesson at small airport here few years ago cost 250 an hour
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littleseizure2 days ago
+15
That's just the gas fee, add in the instructor plane etc it gets up there quick
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MultiMillionMiler2 days ago
+2
MacArthur airport on Long Island.
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Ok-Camp-72852 days ago
+9
Who else is gonna pay?
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Krillin1131 day ago
+1
My yearly tuition fee, or the airline if they sponsor my training
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warmike_11 day ago
+1
I would expect that to be included in tuition.
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MultiMillionMiler1 day ago
+4
Flight school isn't like that, you pay per lesson. The length of the lesson determines the cost based on whatever their hourly rates are. In my case it's about $190-200/hour for the plane and $55/hour for the instructor (which he only gets paid $20/hr of), + fuel surcharge and often an airport "departure fee" of like $5. So a 1.5 hour lesson will be around $375-400 most of the time but my last one was $454 (lessons are typically 1 hr 15 mins to 1 hr 40 mins but it varies each time).
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Corona211 day ago
+1
Theres a lot the layman would expect from flight training. Best to forget any of those preconceptions, and double the price.
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reddit_ending_soon2 days ago
+19
> Wtf you have to pay for fuel as a student?!
Where in the world do they pay you for training to become a pilot? Last I checked, every country has a student pay out of pocket for most things flying or take to a loan out.
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warmike_11 day ago
+4
> Where in the world do they pay you for training to become a pilot?
In the military.
Well, other than that, I would expect a flight school to charge fixed tuition and a predetermined hourly rate for "extra" hours, not an itemized bill that the school can change in the middle of training.
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reddit_ending_soon1 day ago
> Well, other than that, I would expect a flight school to charge fixed tuition and a predetermined hourly rate for "extra" hours, not an itemized bill that the school can change in the middle of training.
Check out how Embry–Riddle sets up the cost for students trying to become pilots.
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Corona211 day ago
+1
Airline sponsored schemes. Very competitive to get onto
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lookitsafish1 day ago
+3
Wtf you have to pay for textbooks as a student? You always buy your materials.
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Corona211 day ago
+3
Probably a good thing, if the industry is hit hard the market for new pilots might take a hit for a little while.
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MultiMillionMiler1 day ago
+1
Not going for the airlines, just like sport/PPL certificate hopefully.
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CarRamRob2 days ago
+194
What is this “could”.
Even if things open up tomorrow, it takes a month to get to Europe. So either it will happen, and not be prolonged, or it will happen and be prolonged.
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Sku2 days ago
+68
If it opens tomorrow, everything is fine. Even though it takes a month, there are plenty of supplies to keep things running until further shipments arrive.
The problem "within 3 weeks" is that if it doesn't reopen soon, then they will need to start rationing what they have. Cutting schedules, cancelling flights, and prioritising key routes they will keep running despite any shortage.
If it reopens tomorrow, nobody needs to start rationing. They will know more fuel is on the way to top the supplies back up, and will continue running a full service.
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DirtyBird7992 days ago
+32
Wondering if they’ll use more than a single brain cell and cut flights shorter than 1 hour/600km that don’t connect islands but have a valid ground transportation alternative because being in 2026 and having flights like Milan-Rome/Trieste/Zurich, Rome-Naples, Helsinki-Tallinn (the ferry takes only 2h), Riga-Kaunas/Vilnius/Tallinn or any national flight connecting major Polish or Spanish cities is just a waste of resources, also because there are multiple flights per day for these routes and they’re not even performed at full capacity, just take a train or a bus for 3-4 hours from the city centers and it’s gonna be even faster than the plane
And this alone would save up a lot of fuel considering that most of it is burnt during takeoff
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opisska2 days ago
+8
I will gladly start using ground transportation for the feeder leg of my flights as soon as it gets the same protection as the flights. Feeder flight late and I miss the transcontinental? Airline is obligated to rebook me for free and pay me a hotel and possibly compensation. Train to the airport late? I am screwed.
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aifo2 days ago
+1
Some airlines actually allow through bookings for some rail services for exactly this reason, you have the same protections as you would with a feeder flight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-rail_alliance
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opisska2 days ago
+1
Yeah I know Lufthansa+DB have it for example, but generally it's pretty rare - and as far as I know, there is no such option from Prague where I live. I think this would have to be EU mandated (as an obligation to replace feeder flights) to take off. Or, maybe, if the Hormuz gets closed again, it could happen naturally :)
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SkiingAway2 days ago
+11
Likely, both since that's how governments issuing orders tend to impose cuts *and* because those flights are often less lucrative/less lucrative per unit of fuel so airlines have their own incentives to make them the first cut if they're limited on fuel.
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No_Avocado42841 day ago
+2
Most of these flights connect airports, not cities. You can´t get to Riga airport earlier than by afternoon, if you travel by bus, and to Helsinki, maybe 10 am earliest, if you travel by ferry from Tallinn. Most of connections will be missed, and business trips will not be possible too.
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warmike_11 day ago
+2
There's only so many trains you can put through a line in a day. If flights are cut, it would cause a shortage of seats and then you would have two options. Either a massive fare hike, or keep prices sane but travellers would have to book very far in advance to get a ticket. Then the lack of competition from low-cost airlines would cause another increase on top of that.
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Proof_Commercial84702 days ago
+513
americans can enjoy america I guess
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i_should_go_to_sleep2 days ago
+279
The majority already do. Only half of Americans even own a passport.
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hpark212 days ago
+118
I thought that # sounded high until I looked up. Looks like less than 10% had passports in 90's (which is what I thought) until visiting Mexico and Canada required passports. This makes a lot more sense.
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Boundish912 days ago
+22
Wow that's low.
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littleseizure2 days ago
+43
America is huge - it's essentially the same as Europeans not leaving Europe. There is so much to explore in America itself that while you are missing out limiting yourself to one country you can make 100 great trips within the contiguous 48. Then add in the other two and PR. It's always bigger than you think
Also passports in the US are a pain in the ass to get. Not *hard*, just a pain
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demosfera2 days ago
+40
Also just mentioning that a lot of Americans simply don’t have paid time off or go on vacations, much less vacations that require expensive flights abroad.
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GozerDGozerian2 days ago
+6
Is is a pain? I got mine at pretty easily. And I’m a lazy f*****.
Had to get it renewed a year or so ago and it was pretty simple to do that too. 🤷
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los-gokillas13 hr ago
+2
Yeah I didn't think it was that hard. Took me like 40 minutes to do the paperwork. They wanted a lot of info but I just put in my best guesses for a number things and it was good enough haha
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Grasswaskindawet2 days ago
+3
Took me 3 weeks to get mine - a renewal to be sure - and I did it all online.
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Fallouttgrrl2 days ago
+3
Yeah like
Excluding Alaska, the US is about the size of Europe
You have to exclude Alaska because on it's own it's like half the size of the US, but most of it you aren't going to be visiting
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junglecafe4457 hr ago
+1
>America is huge
So are Canada and Australia. Canada is an even larger country and yet 70% of the population has a valid passport. Australia is massive too and most people have a passport, which are really expensive by the way.
Renewing docs is a bit annoying anywhere - that's not unique to the US.
So what's the actual reason? Someone mentioned lack of paid vacation time. That makes a bit more sense. I'm sure there are other factors.
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Proof_Commercial84702 days ago
+2
like what
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Aazadan2 days ago
+6
They’re expensive, take months, require going to random facilities for photos (not official ones but things like pharmacies where you have to book a time), filling out some forms that require identification people might not have such as notarized birth certificates, and the payment is also annoying. When I got mine I had to use a money order, which had to be bought elsewhere in cash.
Also, it costs extra if you want the wallet card version.
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JuveOG11052 days ago
+7
Getting it is a pain but once you have it it’s not nearly as bad to renew it every 10 years.
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PreacherPeach2 days ago
+6
You can even renew online now and take the photo at home
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sooshiroll131 day ago
+2
Literally the renewal process was barely 5 min online and I took an iPhone selfie for my photo got my passport in 2 weeks
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mooky19772 days ago
+4
Getting my Canadian passport is easy and simple.
It's like a 2 page application, a couple of passport photos that you can get at lots of places for under $20, and the fee which can be paid using cash, debit, or credit (depending how you apply) which is like $164 for a 10 year passport. You can apply online or at a government of Canada service office which most bigger towns and all cities have and bigger ones have multiples.
I got everything done in less than an hour worth of work to do the pre-work, and under an hour at the service Canada office mostly just waiting in line.
Passport was received through registered mail 10ish working days later.
🤷♂️
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onusofstrife2 days ago
+6
It's the same process here in the US. I guess you can tell which of us don't have passports. Everyone in my house has one including my three year old. 🤷♂️
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hpark212 days ago
+3
It isn't that difficult in US either IMHO. (At least it wasn't for me and my kids)
Price is $165 for adults for 10 years so kinda similar pricing (though arguably 165 USD is like 35% more costlier than Canada, but we also make money in USD as well)
We got it done at a library close by for the kids initially and for adults, got it done at passport office right after getting our citizenship cert which was rather painless and got one in about 1 hour - during which we just got a lunch.
That said, if one does not have it, for family of 4, we are talking about extra $550+ to get which will eat into people's vacation $$. Also, for kids under 16, they only get 5 yr passport and cost $135 which isn't that much cheaper than 10 yr passport.
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Aazadan2 days ago
+1
The first passport I got as an adult took about 3 hours between appointments, but also about 2 weeks of gathering documents, tracking down who could provide documents, contacting them/paying for said documents and so on. After everything it was closer to $500 and weeks of doing things off and on. Then a couple months of waiting.
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Boundish912 days ago
+1
It's simple here in Norway too, you just book an appointment (its usually at the local police department) show up and get your height measurement and picture taken. They already have all your data so they just need your signature.
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Mayor__Defacto1 day ago
+1
Same process, we go to the Post Office for it generally. The poster you’re replying to intentionally hyped up how difficult it is. It’s government paperwork, you just look at the list of documents required beforehand and bring them with you when you drop the form off, it isn’t hard.
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TheOGRedline1 day ago
+1
Almost every day there is a thread asking about planning a visit in r/Oregon. People wanting to see the whole state in 3-4 days… it’s not doable. Coast, valley, cascades, east, pick and one, maybe two. That’s one state.
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HyperbolicModesty2 days ago
-8
This says a lot about the different reasons people travel. You suggest that most Americans travel to see different stuff, while.a lot of the rest of the world travels to experience other cultures.
-8
Sharticus1232 days ago
+6
The states are huge. Culture varies wildly.
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khoawala2 days ago
-7
Meh there's not really that much. I took 3 weeks road trip around the country twice and would most likely never do it again. Most places are just the same. It was just mostly driving from one national park to another.
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i_should_go_to_sleep2 days ago
+7
This is a crazy take.
Plus you’re forgetting that US citizens don’t need a passport to travel to Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Northern Mariana Islands too.
If you road tripped around the central US visiting national parks then yeah, it can get repetitive if you’re doing it in a 3-week period, but there are lots of cities that are different and have different cultures/attractions. I’m not saying it’s as diverse as European cultures, but it is pretty different going from Miami to Boston to Seattle then out to Honolulu.
I’m and American that’s lived outside the US for 22 years of my life but I still love traveling around the US when I’m there.
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Kind_Singer_77442 days ago
+18
Getting a passport is kind of a pain in the ass. Up until 9/11 you could go almost anywhere in north America with just a driver's license/birth certificate
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uberares2 days ago
+4
5 states still can with just a drivers license.
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Melonpan_Pup4422 days ago
-2
Not to mention expensive. It costs like $350 for a passport and not a lot of Americans can justify paying for something that isn't required and they might only use once in their life if they're lucky.
-2
DaInevitable_Payment2 days ago
+7
It costs less than half that amount.
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Grasswaskindawet2 days ago
+4
Try again. When I renewed a month or two ago it cost in the $165 range and took maybe 3 weeks to get here, maybe even 2 now that I remember. I did it all online, including taking the pic.
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Notnow_Imtoodrunk2 days ago
+2
Costs $420 here in Australia
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EuphoricMidnight33042 days ago
+7
It’s probably way less than half
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GEB822 days ago
+14
Half Sir! Half? Enjoy…America, Sir ? Half?
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bcsimms042 days ago
-3
It takes months to get and costs like $200 and is a pain to do
-3
Grasswaskindawet2 days ago
+6
$165, 3 weeks total, all online.
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beerherder2 days ago
Renewal perhaps, but not the first time
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Notnow_Imtoodrunk2 days ago
+1
I'm not even from US and within 5 seconds I could see its $165 for a new one and $130 for renewal.
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beerherder1 day ago
I meant the “all online” part. You need to go in person first time.
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Politicsboringagain1 day ago
+2
I've had a passport since I was 16. It's not simple but it's far from a pain. The hardesd thing is filling out the form and getting the passport picture, but even that's not hard anymore.
Hell, unlike back of n the day, you can now up load a phot you take yourself.
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OnceInABlueMoon2 days ago
+38
Also less tourism to America, enough nail in the coffin from Trump to America's tourism industry
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JussiesTunaSub2 days ago
+43
90% of tourism spending within the U.S. is from people living in the U.S.
https://wttc.org/news/us-economy-set-to-lose-12-5bn-in-international-traveler-spend-this-year
Mostly because it's too expensive to travel out of the country.
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Mean_Excitement_3202 days ago
+20
It’s actually cheaper to travel outside the country sometimes
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JussiesTunaSub2 days ago
+9
Doesn't change the statistic
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Mean_Excitement_3202 days ago
+4
Sure I was just replying to your other statement I think in a lot of cases it’s cheaper to go to another country
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project48v1 day ago
+1
Medical tourism is a huge thing for Americans.
Why would you pay >$10k for a domestic procedure when you can get it in China for $500 and a $1k plane ticket?
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Ffftphhfft2 days ago
+1
Yeah it's cheaper to travel in Mexico and even Canada due to the weaker canadian dollar. I don't travel within the US that much because of how expensive it is, and I'm probably going to be doing less of it now.
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snowypotato2 days ago
-1
I question your reasoning there. It may be prohibitively expensive for people to leave the country and spend elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean it’s too expensive for people to come INTO the country and spend money.
Apparently, Canadians and Mexicans (and to a lesser extent, everybody else as well) have decided to stop coming into the US to spend money. Can’t imagine why.
-1
hi_imjoey2 days ago
+8
To be fair, even with increased fuel costs, European airline ticket prices could double and still be cheaper than American prices, thanks to the good ole US of A’s weak antitrust laws
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Salohacin2 days ago
+7
Last I checked I could still get a flight from Brussels to Bratislava for 18 AUD. Sometimes Ryanair flights are so c**** I can't believe it's even legal.
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FluffyPantsMcGee12 hr ago
+1
I’ll never forgive them.
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LystAP2 days ago
Well, we're in the progress of stealing Venezuela's oil.
0
kate5002 days ago
+151
How long before private jets face such shortages?
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Felwyin2 days ago
+95
Be serious!
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bronsonrider2 days ago
+45
My son kept an eye on flight tracker over Covid, it was shocking how many private jets were buzzing around. I know a person who flew out to Ibiza with a plane full of her mates, so much for the lockdown eh
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Decent-Ganache76472 days ago
+27
Living in Hawaii, I remember our airports being loaded with private jets during the pandemic. All the while commercial air travel was completely shutdown to the state.
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OkLetterhead70472 days ago
+34
Private jets run on working class tears. They’re fine.
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chickenery2 days ago
+14
Congress will amend the tax code to allow private jet owners to write off any fuel surcharges.
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suitzup2 days ago
+14
No need. Private jets for corporate use are already a write off
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NewsCards2 days ago
+136
> The problems could become particularly acute at the start of the peak summer season “when air travel enables the whole tourism ecosystem upon which many economies rely”
When the holiday makers can't travel, that's when the whole economy crumbles.
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Prunus-cerasus2 days ago
+68
Yes. We have cities, island communities and even entire counties that are heavily dependent on tourism. Losing that income is catastrophic.
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Zestyclose-Novel11572 days ago
+65
Well Spain at least will get the fewer tourists they wanted.
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Mother_Idea_31822 days ago
+90
Nothing will stop the Dutch, Danish and French. They will drive their RV slowly, with longer gears and lower revs. It might take them longer, but they will arrive anyway.
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Zestyclose-Novel11572 days ago
+24
Haha. Now I want to see that. Tour de France duex.
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Four_beastlings2 days ago
+21
I heard from someone in the industry that surprisingly Spain will get more tourists this year. Partly because some competing destinations are out due to the Iran war and airlines will prefer safe, stable routes , partly because the wave of sympathy that their vocal opposition to the war has caused in the rest of Europe and other countries (Turkey comes to mind).
Airlines aren't going to just up and say "well, I guess we are not working this summer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". And Spain happens to be a very safe bet.
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Yeltsin862 days ago
+3
I would assume that the upcoming total eclipse is part of that - has been a while in Europe for those, and I was considering going to see it myself
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issm2 days ago
+9
It'd be a good time for Europe to figure out how to unify their high speed rail network.
The trains are mostly electric, and with enough buildout of renewables, intra-Europe traffic could be completely independent of oil.
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ASatyros2 days ago
+3
So basically another covid-scale event?
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KimJongFunk2 days ago
+54
It will only get worse.
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LystAP2 days ago
+10
Of course it will. People keep saying Russia will benefit, but Ukraine's been setting as much of Russia's oil infrastructure [on fire as possible](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/world/europe/ukraine-attacks-russian-oil-exports.html).
>As [Moscow benefits](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/13/world/europe/russia-oil-suspended-sanctions-economy.html) from soaring oil prices and an easing of U.S. sanctions as a result of the war in Iran, Ukraine is trying to offset the windfall by escalating strikes on Russian oil assets. Experts describe a campaign unprecedented in scale, with Ukraine [claiming responsibility](https://mod.gov.ua/news/pekelni-udari-po-rosiyi-sili-oboroni-urazili-5-strategichnih-zavodiv-i-10-ob-yektiv-naftopererobki-u-berezni) for 10 attacks last month, though the true number is probably higher.
No one will escape this. Everything burns.
Well, aside from the fields in Venezuela, which the U.S. controls now. And the U.S. oil fields. U.S. oil is going to profit.
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kadam_ss2 days ago
+20
As a Canadian, if we had competent leadership here, we could be the single source of Europe’s energy needs and that would be that. No more relying on Russia, no more relying on middle eastern theocracies. Just good old Canadian oil and natural gas.
It would help us and them.
What are we doing here. Our idiocy has put our allies in Europe at the mercy of Putin and random warlords and kings in the Middle East.
We could be North American Norway and be one of the richest countries in the world. Sigh
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dodgeunhappiness2 days ago
+10
EU leadership is not better. They can’t make a single strategic decision. They also have agreed a deal with India, facilitating VISA. Does it sound familiar ?
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ericchen1 day ago
+2
The oil market is global, any disruption in the supply anywhere will affect prices everywhere else. It's not a series of regional markets.
When the Strait of Hormuz is closed, countries that rely on oil from the Middle East will bid on oil from other sources, including Canadian ones. This will drive up prices for everyone. Unless if the Canadian government is willing to put a trade embargo on these countries and only supply Europe, there will still be a global shortage since the Strait of Hormuz is such a large part of the oil supply,
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TyrusX2 days ago
+6
War on Alberta!
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GrandPapaBi1 day ago
+2
I mean Alberta is warring on Alberta... You had the sovereign fund before Norway and it's so small compared to Norway now because your dumb provincial conservative politicians keep pillaging it for their own policies... Maybe not voting them in systematically might actually be good? Did people of Alberta ever thought of that?
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TyrusX1 day ago
+3
I know. It is infuriating
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TheOGRedline1 day ago
+1
The actual fuel shortage is just beginning. Tankers that got through the straight pre-war are still arriving.
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True-Industry-40572 days ago
+33
Some already are. https://www.joe.ie/news/popular-holiday-airport-has-run-out-of-fuel-868781
Brindisi Airport is already so short on fuel that only medical/emergency flights can refuel there, and Milan, Bologna, Treviso, and Venice have imposed jet fuel rationing.
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5minArgument2 days ago
+60
People seem to not realize that the supply chain is off. Oil reaching refineries today left the ME weeks ago.
Europe will be ahead of the US by a few weeks, but rest assured it’s coming. The real effects haven’t even started.
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SkiingAway2 days ago
+47
Oil from the Persian Gulf is mostly irrelevant to North America. Typical US imports from the ME are <4% of US oil consumption. It will not cause any serious shortages even if it drops to zero.
The US is somewhat affected by the international market price of oil, but it will not face serious shortages even if the Strait of Hormuz never reopens and every single piece of oil infrastructure in the Middle East was completely destroyed. Things are radically different than in 1979 or 2003.
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Canada is ~60% of US oil imports and Canada structurally can't export (in quantity) to anyone else because almost all of the infrastructure is only set up for exporting to the US.
There's only one pipeline from the oil fields to the Pacific Coast (and none going east - Canada can't even supply itself without the oil going through the US first), it only has around ~500k bpd of practical export capacity, and it runs at 100% capacity already. Meanwhile they send 4.5 million bpd to the US on a bunch of different pipelines.
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To be clear, I'm just stating facts here. This is not endorsement of the Iran war, Trump, or any sort of glee. Everything happening is awful.
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MercantileReptile2 days ago
+5
Which makes it all the more galling when Americans b**** and moan about higher prices. After the shit the US did is driving prices to absurdity.
None of it had to happen. But the Americans were bored, wanted a War or whatever dumb reason Washington has. I frankly don't even care at this point. Just that the Country stops f****** up the World's trade for five minutes.
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5minArgument1 day ago
+4
Not as irrelevant as you wish, US imports something like 30-35% of its oil daily.
The relevant part is once the parts of the world that DO rely on the ME start experiencing real energy shortages we will see global bidding wars/surge prices for all available supply.
That 35% will be very difficult to maintain and the costs are gonna follow.
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SkiingAway1 day ago
+1
Read the second segment of my post again.
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5minArgument1 day ago
+1
Theres a misunderstood part of this, US production and sales are not beholden to politics. There are many existing long standing foreign contracts and on top of that there is no obligation to limit sales for domestic supply.
US firms will sell to highest bidders. So kinda relevant.
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nestormakhnosghost2 days ago
+2
This is so true. Don't see enough of this getting traction in the media.
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nothankeww2 days ago
+2
of course not because people would panic buy just like they did during Covid
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wh4tth3huh2 days ago
+14
The comfortable must be inconvenienced if we want things to change.
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CatchPersonal71822 days ago
+29
Ive just got an email that BA cancelled my flight for may.
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my5cworth2 days ago
+11
Dang that sucks. Mind if I ask which route?
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coomzee2 days ago
+5
Probably cloudy that day.
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TheDreamWaIker2 days ago
+2
Sorry to hear. I'm also flying BA in mid May but I haven't heard anything yet so hoping it'll be ok 🤞🏻
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kate5002 days ago
+65
Start posting about how much of a positive impact this will have on climate change, and I can almost guarantee those jets will have a full tank of gas in no time!
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takesthebiscuit2 days ago
+31
If only the cause wasn’t massvie refineries and oil fields being set on fire
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kate5002 days ago
+4
true, true..
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Adventurous_Bus_4372 days ago
+24
Would be really nice if we had competitive high speed rail connecting all of europe without hassel right now wouldnt it?
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snowypotato2 days ago
+2
_cries in american_
Y’all’s non high speed rail is often faster than what we call high speed over here. Hell, on the west coast we’ve barely got any rail at all
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PRSArchon1 day ago
+1
Do you even understand what you are saying? How would you connect "all of europe" with high speed rail? The amount of insanely high cost rail needed to connect all major cities in europe is insane. Even low speed rail cannot compete with aviation on price despite receiving more goverment subsidies. The cost of the infrastructure is astronomical while the infrastructure cost of a airport is c****, some regional airports are as simple as a runway and a small building. Even low speed rail projects often cost around 40 milion euro per km just to build it, highspeed rail would be even more.
You don't have to believe me either, here is a nice article from the Technical University Eindhoven explaining in detail why more rail is not the answer to less flying: https://www.cursor.tue.nl/en/background/2025/mei/week-1/why-trains-are-not-yet-replacing-planes
An interesting quote because i know you wont actually rrad my source:
“To replace just one third of European flights, you would need to add an estimated 20,000 to 30,000 kilometers of track. That costs a trillion euros, an extreme amount of energy for all the concrete and iron, and it destroys our landscape.”
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KebabAnnhilator2 days ago
+19
Fantastic, going on holiday in 18 days let’s see what happens RemindMe! 18 days
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vipros422 days ago
+6
I'm going two weeks today and am choosing to try and ignore this as a risk
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Notnow_Imtoodrunk2 days ago
+3
I'm flying Australia to UK on the 17th for 2 weeks.... Fingers crossed
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GrumpyOlBastard2 days ago
+2
I'm going to Greece in September. I wonder if things will have settled out by then
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vipros422 days ago
+5
We'll generally be fucked by then if not
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Squeekydink2 days ago
+4
I'm heading out in 21 days. Would make for a good personal story if I happen to get stuck in Europe cause they cut off trans Atlantic flights on my return.
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SkiingAway2 days ago
+7
Probably unlikely. Those flights are much more lucrative than flying within Europe is, and they (obviously) do not have alternatives.
Both airlines and governments generally impose cuts starting with the shortest flights with the best available alternatives and working up from there.
Which is to say: Long-haul will likely be the last flights to be cut for shortages, not the first. (unless it's for disappearing *demand*, but if that's the case it implies there are open seats on other Trans-Atlantic flights to rebook you on).
Additionally, since the fuel situation in North America will be substantially better - operating those flights is less of a burden on limited European fuel supplies in a sense. A flight within Europe is needing fuel from Europe both ways, a flight to elsewhere only needs fuel from Europe one way.
For flights not operating near the limits of the aircraft's range I wouldn't even be surprised to hear that they start loading them to absolute max on fuel in North America so they don't need as much fuel from Europe for the trip back to North America.
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UnawareSeriousness2 days ago
+1
Going in 20... I'm really nervous.
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KebabAnnhilator2 days ago
Eh you’ll either go or you won’t, did you book a holiday package?
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UnawareSeriousness2 days ago
+1
No, just flights. I’m staying at a friend’s place.
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alexefi2 days ago
+10
At least there also train alternatives to some destinations within europe.
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OldLondon2 days ago
+6
Thanks Trump you Spunk Trumpet
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roaming_bear2 days ago
+6
This summer is gonna be amazing
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NeoBahamutX2 days ago
+6
Start with the private jets make them go commercial
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Sea_Quiet_96122 days ago
+7
Ça va il reste encore des trains a grande vitesse , tout ce que les U.S n'ont pas
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FloodAdvisor2 days ago
+3
Hello darkness my old friend
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Ebi50002 days ago
+3
Don't worry germany already lowered Airfuel taxes, that should fix it.
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FairlyInconsistentRa2 days ago
+5
I really want to go to Japan in September. Had to hold off getting flights until the start of June as I'll need to work more overtime.
Hotel is booked.
I really cannot deal with having to cancel it again. Was supposed to go in 2021 but had to cancel for obvious reasons.
Rescheduled it for 2024 but my landlord was an arse and defaulted on the mortgage so again I had to cancel.
2025 was a write off due to the fallout from 2024.
I'm finally in the position to be able to afford it and goe but there's the real possibility I'll be able to afford the flights and then they get cancelled due to lack of fuel.
Damn.
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issm2 days ago
+6
Look on the bright side, if they start cancelling flghts due to fuel shortages, the ones that'll get cancelled first are relatively low demand short haul routes.
The flagship long haul routes are actually the most fuel efficient (since the most fuel hungry part of flight is takeoff and climbout, and long haul routes spend more time cruising than climbing), and unlike short haul where there's competition from cars and trains, if you need to go long haul, you have to take a plane.
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Therianthropie2 days ago
+1
Just booked my flight to Japan for mid May...
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FairlyInconsistentRa2 days ago
+1
Honestly hope you get to go.
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Therianthropie2 days ago
Thanks, I hope you too. If it happens we're insured at least, but would be sad anyways.
Until September there's still some time. I would think that the situation has been resolved until then. Fingers crossed.
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FuckUpMaster90001 day ago
+1
Was looking on going from italy to australia, so it's a similar type of travel in september too. I really hope they don't cancel shit because it's my first long holiday i can afford in years and it has always been a dream of mine to go there
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nothankeww2 days ago
I hope you get to go! It’s been a lifelong dream of mine to go, and I can’t stop thinking about it lately
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rob1012 days ago
+4
world cup should be fun
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nksama2 days ago
+4
so no europeans going to the world cup?
it's a win in my book
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zazon51 day ago
+1
You mean, will. It takes at least a month and a half to ship oil, that's once they're able to restart production. Not to mention, this is currently the slowest season for gas consumption.
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Disillusioned_Pleb012 days ago
+1
Iran will have nuclear weapons by then.
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mimikay_dicealot2 days ago
+1
I was going for 2 weeks in july... I guess I'm fucked and it's like 800 euros in tickets and stay and shows thrown into the trash. Great. Just... Great.
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Positive_Hall_32072 days ago
+3
Well you are not alone with your sentiment . I was planning to go earlier but now I don’t know if I will be able to go in July at all: Great. Just Great I use too . Let’s see.
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Advanced_Section8912 days ago
-4
A prime example of when you pursue policies that go against your own self interests. For years European airports refused to refuel Iranian civilian aircrafts. Europe went along with America and its maximum pressure campaign that essentially led to where we are now and war. And things have come full circle as European Airlines are now about to run out of fuel.
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ryansalad2 days ago
-14
In which the Europeans discover that their economy and their society is built on fragile foundations...
It's not likely that the situation will improve for them.
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