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MultiMillionMiler Apr 10, 2026 +559

It's affecting student pilots in flight school as well. My fuel surcharge for lessons is nearly triple lately.

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majorassburger Apr 10, 2026 +149

Wtf you have to pay for fuel as a student?!

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MultiMillionMiler Apr 10, 2026 +202

Yep an hourly fuel fee. Used to be only $6-7/hr per lesson. Now a 1.5 hours lesson is $25+ for fuel!

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BugRevolutionary4518 Apr 10, 2026 +68

Yep. My nephew is going to Embry-Riddle (he’s in Switzerland right now for training - not sure how that works) but he texted me that jet fuel prices are all F’d up.

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MultiMillionMiler Apr 10, 2026 +30

Well I'm at the lowest level of training (PPL, pre-solo..etc) in the Cessnas so it's just "AVGAS" not jet fuel but guess it's the same price effect on any fuel idk.

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BugRevolutionary4518 Apr 10, 2026 +23

Any petroleum product, from what I read.

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Drunkgummybear1 Apr 10, 2026 +7

Yup. I work in a metal foundry and the wax price is creeping up.

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MultiMillionMiler Apr 10, 2026 +15

Well f*** then I guess my lessons will be hovering around $450 ish total for a while now.

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PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_ Apr 10, 2026 +8

Just wait till it hits $450 an hour.

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Tusan1222 Apr 10, 2026 +2

Where tf do you live? Lesson at small airport here few years ago cost 250 an hour

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littleseizure Apr 10, 2026 +15

That's just the gas fee, add in the instructor plane etc it gets up there quick

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MultiMillionMiler Apr 10, 2026 +2

MacArthur airport on Long Island.

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Ok-Camp-7285 Apr 11, 2026 +9

Who else is gonna pay?

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Krillin113 Apr 12, 2026 +1

My yearly tuition fee, or the airline if they sponsor my training

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warmike_1 Apr 11, 2026 +1

I would expect that to be included in tuition.

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MultiMillionMiler Apr 11, 2026 +4

Flight school isn't like that, you pay per lesson. The length of the lesson determines the cost based on whatever their hourly rates are. In my case it's about $190-200/hour for the plane and $55/hour for the instructor (which he only gets paid $20/hr of), + fuel surcharge and often an airport "departure fee" of like $5. So a 1.5 hour lesson will be around $375-400 most of the time but my last one was $454 (lessons are typically 1 hr 15 mins to 1 hr 40 mins but it varies each time).

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Corona21 Apr 12, 2026 +1

Theres a lot the layman would expect from flight training. Best to forget any of those preconceptions, and double the price.

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reddit_ending_soon Apr 10, 2026 +19

> Wtf you have to pay for fuel as a student?! Where in the world do they pay you for training to become a pilot? Last I checked, every country has a student pay out of pocket for most things flying or take to a loan out.

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warmike_1 Apr 11, 2026 +4

> Where in the world do they pay you for training to become a pilot? In the military. Well, other than that, I would expect a flight school to charge fixed tuition and a predetermined hourly rate for "extra" hours, not an itemized bill that the school can change in the middle of training.

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reddit_ending_soon Apr 11, 2026

> Well, other than that, I would expect a flight school to charge fixed tuition and a predetermined hourly rate for "extra" hours, not an itemized bill that the school can change in the middle of training. Check out how Embry–Riddle sets up the cost for students trying to become pilots.

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Corona21 Apr 12, 2026 +1

Airline sponsored schemes. Very competitive to get onto

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lookitsafish Apr 11, 2026 +3

Wtf you have to pay for textbooks as a student? You always buy your materials.

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Corona21 Apr 12, 2026 +3

Probably a good thing, if the industry is hit hard the market for new pilots might take a hit for a little while.

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MultiMillionMiler Apr 12, 2026 +1

Not going for the airlines, just like sport/PPL certificate hopefully.

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CarRamRob Apr 10, 2026 +194

What is this “could”. Even if things open up tomorrow, it takes a month to get to Europe. So either it will happen, and not be prolonged, or it will happen and be prolonged.

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Sku Apr 10, 2026 +68

If it opens tomorrow, everything is fine. Even though it takes a month, there are plenty of supplies to keep things running until further shipments arrive. The problem "within 3 weeks" is that if it doesn't reopen soon, then they will need to start rationing what they have. Cutting schedules, cancelling flights, and prioritising key routes they will keep running despite any shortage. If it reopens tomorrow, nobody needs to start rationing. They will know more fuel is on the way to top the supplies back up, and will continue running a full service.

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DirtyBird799 Apr 10, 2026 +32

Wondering if they’ll use more than a single brain cell and cut flights shorter than 1 hour/600km that don’t connect islands but have a valid ground transportation alternative because being in 2026 and having flights like Milan-Rome/Trieste/Zurich, Rome-Naples, Helsinki-Tallinn (the ferry takes only 2h), Riga-Kaunas/Vilnius/Tallinn or any national flight connecting major Polish or Spanish cities is just a waste of resources, also because there are multiple flights per day for these routes and they’re not even performed at full capacity, just take a train or a bus for 3-4 hours from the city centers and it’s gonna be even faster than the plane And this alone would save up a lot of fuel considering that most of it is burnt during takeoff

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opisska Apr 10, 2026 +8

I will gladly start using ground transportation for the feeder leg of my flights as soon as it gets the same protection as the flights. Feeder flight late and I miss the transcontinental? Airline is obligated to rebook me for free and pay me a hotel and possibly compensation. Train to the airport late? I am screwed.

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aifo Apr 10, 2026 +1

Some airlines actually allow through bookings for some rail services for exactly this reason, you have the same protections as you would with a feeder flight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-rail_alliance

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opisska Apr 11, 2026 +1

Yeah I know Lufthansa+DB have it for example, but generally it's pretty rare - and as far as I know, there is no such option from Prague where I live. I think this would have to be EU mandated (as an obligation to replace feeder flights) to take off. Or, maybe, if the Hormuz gets closed again, it could happen naturally :)

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SkiingAway Apr 10, 2026 +11

Likely, both since that's how governments issuing orders tend to impose cuts *and* because those flights are often less lucrative/less lucrative per unit of fuel so airlines have their own incentives to make them the first cut if they're limited on fuel.

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No_Avocado4284 Apr 11, 2026 +2

Most of these flights connect airports, not cities. You can´t get to Riga airport earlier than by afternoon, if you travel by bus, and to Helsinki, maybe 10 am earliest, if you travel by ferry from Tallinn. Most of connections will be missed, and business trips will not be possible too.

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warmike_1 Apr 11, 2026 +2

There's only so many trains you can put through a line in a day. If flights are cut, it would cause a shortage of seats and then you would have two options. Either a massive fare hike, or keep prices sane but travellers would have to book very far in advance to get a ticket. Then the lack of competition from low-cost airlines would cause another increase on top of that.

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Proof_Commercial8470 Apr 10, 2026 +513

americans can enjoy america I guess

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i_should_go_to_sleep Apr 10, 2026 +279

The majority already do. Only half of Americans even own a passport.

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hpark21 Apr 10, 2026 +118

I thought that # sounded high until I looked up. Looks like less than 10% had passports in 90's (which is what I thought) until visiting Mexico and Canada required passports. This makes a lot more sense.

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Boundish91 Apr 10, 2026 +22

Wow that's low.

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littleseizure Apr 10, 2026 +43

America is huge - it's essentially the same as Europeans not leaving Europe. There is so much to explore in America itself that while you are missing out limiting yourself to one country you can make 100 great trips within the contiguous 48. Then add in the other two and PR. It's always bigger than you think Also passports in the US are a pain in the ass to get. Not *hard*, just a pain

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demosfera Apr 10, 2026 +40

Also just mentioning that a lot of Americans simply don’t have paid time off or go on vacations, much less vacations that require expensive flights abroad.

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GozerDGozerian Apr 11, 2026 +6

Is is a pain? I got mine at pretty easily. And I’m a lazy f*****. Had to get it renewed a year or so ago and it was pretty simple to do that too. 🤷

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los-gokillas Apr 12, 2026 +2

Yeah I didn't think it was that hard. Took me like 40 minutes to do the paperwork. They wanted a lot of info but I just put in my best guesses for a number things and it was good enough haha

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Grasswaskindawet Apr 11, 2026 +3

Took me 3 weeks to get mine - a renewal to be sure - and I did it all online.

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Fallouttgrrl Apr 11, 2026 +3

Yeah like Excluding Alaska, the US is about the size of Europe You have to exclude Alaska because on it's own it's like half the size of the US, but most of it you aren't going to be visiting

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junglecafe445 Apr 13, 2026 +1

>America is huge So are Canada and Australia. Canada is an even larger country and yet 70% of the population has a valid passport. Australia is massive too and most people have a passport, which are really expensive by the way. Renewing docs is a bit annoying anywhere - that's not unique to the US. So what's the actual reason? Someone mentioned lack of paid vacation time. That makes a bit more sense. I'm sure there are other factors.

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Proof_Commercial8470 Apr 10, 2026 +2

like what

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Aazadan Apr 10, 2026 +6

They’re expensive, take months, require going to random facilities for photos (not official ones but things like pharmacies where you have to book a time), filling out some forms that require identification people might not have such as notarized birth certificates, and the payment is also annoying. When I got mine I had to use a money order, which had to be bought elsewhere in cash. Also, it costs extra if you want the wallet card version.

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JuveOG1105 Apr 10, 2026 +7

Getting it is a pain but once you have it it’s not nearly as bad to renew it every 10 years.

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PreacherPeach Apr 10, 2026 +6

You can even renew online now and take the photo at home

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sooshiroll13 Apr 12, 2026 +2

Literally the renewal process was barely 5 min online and I took an iPhone selfie for my photo got my passport in 2 weeks

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mooky1977 Apr 10, 2026 +4

Getting my Canadian passport is easy and simple. It's like a 2 page application, a couple of passport photos that you can get at lots of places for under $20, and the fee which can be paid using cash, debit, or credit (depending how you apply) which is like $164 for a 10 year passport. You can apply online or at a government of Canada service office which most bigger towns and all cities have and bigger ones have multiples. I got everything done in less than an hour worth of work to do the pre-work, and under an hour at the service Canada office mostly just waiting in line. Passport was received through registered mail 10ish working days later. 🤷‍♂️

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onusofstrife Apr 10, 2026 +6

It's the same process here in the US. I guess you can tell which of us don't have passports. Everyone in my house has one including my three year old. 🤷‍♂️

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hpark21 Apr 10, 2026 +3

It isn't that difficult in US either IMHO. (At least it wasn't for me and my kids) Price is $165 for adults for 10 years so kinda similar pricing (though arguably 165 USD is like 35% more costlier than Canada, but we also make money in USD as well) We got it done at a library close by for the kids initially and for adults, got it done at passport office right after getting our citizenship cert which was rather painless and got one in about 1 hour - during which we just got a lunch. That said, if one does not have it, for family of 4, we are talking about extra $550+ to get which will eat into people's vacation $$. Also, for kids under 16, they only get 5 yr passport and cost $135 which isn't that much cheaper than 10 yr passport.

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Aazadan Apr 11, 2026 +1

The first passport I got as an adult took about 3 hours between appointments, but also about 2 weeks of gathering documents, tracking down who could provide documents, contacting them/paying for said documents and so on. After everything it was closer to $500 and weeks of doing things off and on. Then a couple months of waiting.

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Boundish91 Apr 10, 2026 +1

It's simple here in Norway too, you just book an appointment (its usually at the local police department) show up and get your height measurement and picture taken. They already have all your data so they just need your signature.

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Mayor__Defacto Apr 12, 2026 +1

Same process, we go to the Post Office for it generally. The poster you’re replying to intentionally hyped up how difficult it is. It’s government paperwork, you just look at the list of documents required beforehand and bring them with you when you drop the form off, it isn’t hard.

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TheOGRedline Apr 11, 2026 +1

Almost every day there is a thread asking about planning a visit in r/Oregon. People wanting to see the whole state in 3-4 days… it’s not doable. Coast, valley, cascades, east, pick and one, maybe two. That’s one state.

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HyperbolicModesty Apr 10, 2026 -8

This says a lot about the different reasons people travel. You suggest that most Americans travel to see different stuff, while.a lot of the rest of the world travels to experience other cultures.

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Sharticus123 Apr 10, 2026 +6

The states are huge. Culture varies wildly.

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khoawala Apr 11, 2026 -7

Meh there's not really that much. I took 3 weeks road trip around the country twice and would most likely never do it again. Most places are just the same. It was just mostly driving from one national park to another.

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i_should_go_to_sleep Apr 11, 2026 +7

This is a crazy take. Plus you’re forgetting that US citizens don’t need a passport to travel to Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Northern Mariana Islands too. If you road tripped around the central US visiting national parks then yeah, it can get repetitive if you’re doing it in a 3-week period, but there are lots of cities that are different and have different cultures/attractions. I’m not saying it’s as diverse as European cultures, but it is pretty different going from Miami to Boston to Seattle then out to Honolulu. I’m and American that’s lived outside the US for 22 years of my life but I still love traveling around the US when I’m there.

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Kind_Singer_7744 Apr 10, 2026 +18

Getting a passport is kind of a pain in the ass. Up until 9/11 you could go almost anywhere in north America with just a driver's license/birth certificate

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uberares Apr 10, 2026 +4

5 states still can with just a drivers license.

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Melonpan_Pup442 Apr 10, 2026 -2

Not to mention expensive. It costs like $350 for a passport and not a lot of Americans can justify paying for something that isn't required and they might only use once in their life if they're lucky.

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DaInevitable_Payment Apr 10, 2026 +7

It costs less than half that amount.

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Grasswaskindawet Apr 11, 2026 +4

Try again. When I renewed a month or two ago it cost in the $165 range and took maybe 3 weeks to get here, maybe even 2 now that I remember. I did it all online, including taking the pic.

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Notnow_Imtoodrunk Apr 11, 2026 +2

Costs $420 here in Australia

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EuphoricMidnight3304 Apr 10, 2026 +7

It’s probably way less than half

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GEB82 Apr 10, 2026 +14

Half Sir! Half? Enjoy…America, Sir ? Half?

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bcsimms04 Apr 11, 2026 -3

It takes months to get and costs like $200 and is a pain to do

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Grasswaskindawet Apr 11, 2026 +6

$165, 3 weeks total, all online.

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beerherder Apr 11, 2026

Renewal perhaps, but not the first time

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Notnow_Imtoodrunk Apr 11, 2026 +1

I'm not even from US and within 5 seconds I could see its $165 for a new one and $130 for renewal.

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beerherder Apr 11, 2026

I meant the “all online” part. You need to go in person first time.

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Politicsboringagain Apr 11, 2026 +2

I've had a passport since I was 16. It's not simple but it's far from a pain. The hardesd thing is filling out the form and getting the passport picture, but even that's not hard anymore. Hell, unlike back of n the day, you can now up load a phot you take yourself.

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OnceInABlueMoon Apr 10, 2026 +38

Also less tourism to America, enough nail in the coffin from Trump to America's tourism industry

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JussiesTunaSub Apr 10, 2026 +43

90% of tourism spending within the U.S. is from people living in the U.S. https://wttc.org/news/us-economy-set-to-lose-12-5bn-in-international-traveler-spend-this-year Mostly because it's too expensive to travel out of the country.

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Mean_Excitement_320 Apr 10, 2026 +20

It’s actually cheaper to travel outside the country sometimes

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JussiesTunaSub Apr 10, 2026 +9

Doesn't change the statistic

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Mean_Excitement_320 Apr 10, 2026 +4

Sure I was just replying to your other statement I think in a lot of cases it’s cheaper to go to another country

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project48v Apr 11, 2026 +1

Medical tourism is a huge thing for Americans. Why would you pay >$10k for a domestic procedure when you can get it in China for $500 and a $1k plane ticket?

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Ffftphhfft Apr 10, 2026 +1

Yeah it's cheaper to travel in Mexico and even Canada due to the weaker canadian dollar. I don't travel within the US that much because of how expensive it is, and I'm probably going to be doing less of it now.

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snowypotato Apr 10, 2026 -1

I question your reasoning there. It may be prohibitively expensive for people to leave the country and spend elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean it’s too expensive for people to come INTO the country and spend money. Apparently, Canadians and Mexicans (and to a lesser extent, everybody else as well) have decided to stop coming into the US to spend money. Can’t imagine why.

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hi_imjoey Apr 10, 2026 +8

To be fair, even with increased fuel costs, European airline ticket prices could double and still be cheaper than American prices, thanks to the good ole US of A’s weak antitrust laws

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Salohacin Apr 11, 2026 +7

Last I checked I could still get a flight from Brussels to Bratislava for 18 AUD. Sometimes Ryanair flights are so c**** I can't believe it's even legal.

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FluffyPantsMcGee Apr 13, 2026 +1

I’ll never forgive them.

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LystAP Apr 10, 2026

Well, we're in the progress of stealing Venezuela's oil.

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kate500 Apr 10, 2026 +151

How long before private jets face such shortages?

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Felwyin Apr 10, 2026 +95

Be serious!

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bronsonrider Apr 10, 2026 +45

My son kept an eye on flight tracker over Covid, it was shocking how many private jets were buzzing around. I know a person who flew out to Ibiza with a plane full of her mates, so much for the lockdown eh

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Decent-Ganache7647 Apr 10, 2026 +27

Living in Hawaii, I remember our airports being loaded with private jets during the pandemic. All the while commercial air travel was completely shutdown to the state.

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OkLetterhead7047 Apr 10, 2026 +34

Private jets run on working class tears. They’re fine.

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chickenery Apr 10, 2026 +14

Congress will amend the tax code to allow private jet owners to write off any fuel surcharges.

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suitzup Apr 10, 2026 +14

No need. Private jets for corporate use are already a write off

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NewsCards Apr 10, 2026 +136

> The problems could become particularly acute at the start of the peak summer season “when air travel enables the whole tourism ecosystem upon which many economies rely” When the holiday makers can't travel, that's when the whole economy crumbles.

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Prunus-cerasus Apr 10, 2026 +68

Yes. We have cities, island communities and even entire counties that are heavily dependent on tourism. Losing that income is catastrophic.

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Zestyclose-Novel1157 Apr 10, 2026 +65

Well Spain at least will get the fewer tourists they wanted.

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Mother_Idea_3182 Apr 10, 2026 +90

Nothing will stop the Dutch, Danish and French. They will drive their RV slowly, with longer gears and lower revs. It might take them longer, but they will arrive anyway.

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Zestyclose-Novel1157 Apr 10, 2026 +24

Haha. Now I want to see that. Tour de France duex.

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Four_beastlings Apr 10, 2026 +21

I heard from someone in the industry that surprisingly Spain will get more tourists this year. Partly because some competing destinations are out due to the Iran war and airlines will prefer safe, stable routes , partly because the wave of sympathy that their vocal opposition to the war has caused in the rest of Europe and other countries (Turkey comes to mind). Airlines aren't going to just up and say "well, I guess we are not working this summer ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯". And Spain happens to be a very safe bet.

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Yeltsin86 Apr 11, 2026 +3

I would assume that the upcoming total eclipse is part of that - has been a while in Europe for those, and I was considering going to see it myself

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issm Apr 10, 2026 +9

It'd be a good time for Europe to figure out how to unify their high speed rail network. The trains are mostly electric, and with enough buildout of renewables, intra-Europe traffic could be completely independent of oil.

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ASatyros Apr 10, 2026 +3

So basically another covid-scale event?

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KimJongFunk Apr 10, 2026 +54

It will only get worse.

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LystAP Apr 10, 2026 +10

Of course it will. People keep saying Russia will benefit, but Ukraine's been setting as much of Russia's oil infrastructure [on fire as possible](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/world/europe/ukraine-attacks-russian-oil-exports.html). >As [Moscow benefits](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/13/world/europe/russia-oil-suspended-sanctions-economy.html) from soaring oil prices and an easing of U.S. sanctions as a result of the war in Iran, Ukraine is trying to offset the windfall by escalating strikes on Russian oil assets. Experts describe a campaign unprecedented in scale, with Ukraine [claiming responsibility](https://mod.gov.ua/news/pekelni-udari-po-rosiyi-sili-oboroni-urazili-5-strategichnih-zavodiv-i-10-ob-yektiv-naftopererobki-u-berezni) for 10 attacks last month, though the true number is probably higher. No one will escape this. Everything burns. Well, aside from the fields in Venezuela, which the U.S. controls now. And the U.S. oil fields. U.S. oil is going to profit.

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kadam_ss Apr 10, 2026 +20

As a Canadian, if we had competent leadership here, we could be the single source of Europe’s energy needs and that would be that. No more relying on Russia, no more relying on middle eastern theocracies. Just good old Canadian oil and natural gas. It would help us and them. What are we doing here. Our idiocy has put our allies in Europe at the mercy of Putin and random warlords and kings in the Middle East. We could be North American Norway and be one of the richest countries in the world. Sigh

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dodgeunhappiness Apr 10, 2026 +10

EU leadership is not better. They can’t make a single strategic decision. They also have agreed a deal with India, facilitating VISA. Does it sound familiar ?

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ericchen Apr 11, 2026 +2

The oil market is global, any disruption in the supply anywhere will affect prices everywhere else. It's not a series of regional markets. When the Strait of Hormuz is closed, countries that rely on oil from the Middle East will bid on oil from other sources, including Canadian ones. This will drive up prices for everyone. Unless if the Canadian government is willing to put a trade embargo on these countries and only supply Europe, there will still be a global shortage since the Strait of Hormuz is such a large part of the oil supply,

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TyrusX Apr 10, 2026 +6

War on Alberta!

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GrandPapaBi Apr 11, 2026 +2

I mean Alberta is warring on Alberta... You had the sovereign fund before Norway and it's so small compared to Norway now because your dumb provincial conservative politicians keep pillaging it for their own policies... Maybe not voting them in systematically might actually be good? Did people of Alberta ever thought of that?

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TyrusX Apr 11, 2026 +3

I know. It is infuriating

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TheOGRedline Apr 11, 2026 +1

The actual fuel shortage is just beginning. Tankers that got through the straight pre-war are still arriving.

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True-Industry-4057 Apr 10, 2026 +33

Some already are. https://www.joe.ie/news/popular-holiday-airport-has-run-out-of-fuel-868781 Brindisi Airport is already so short on fuel that only medical/emergency flights can refuel there, and Milan, Bologna, Treviso, and Venice have imposed jet fuel rationing.

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5minArgument Apr 10, 2026 +60

People seem to not realize that the supply chain is off. Oil reaching refineries today left the ME weeks ago. Europe will be ahead of the US by a few weeks, but rest assured it’s coming. The real effects haven’t even started.

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SkiingAway Apr 10, 2026 +47

Oil from the Persian Gulf is mostly irrelevant to North America. Typical US imports from the ME are <4% of US oil consumption. It will not cause any serious shortages even if it drops to zero. The US is somewhat affected by the international market price of oil, but it will not face serious shortages even if the Strait of Hormuz never reopens and every single piece of oil infrastructure in the Middle East was completely destroyed. Things are radically different than in 1979 or 2003. -------- Canada is ~60% of US oil imports and Canada structurally can't export (in quantity) to anyone else because almost all of the infrastructure is only set up for exporting to the US. There's only one pipeline from the oil fields to the Pacific Coast (and none going east - Canada can't even supply itself without the oil going through the US first), it only has around ~500k bpd of practical export capacity, and it runs at 100% capacity already. Meanwhile they send 4.5 million bpd to the US on a bunch of different pipelines. ----- To be clear, I'm just stating facts here. This is not endorsement of the Iran war, Trump, or any sort of glee. Everything happening is awful.

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MercantileReptile Apr 11, 2026 +5

Which makes it all the more galling when Americans b**** and moan about higher prices. After the shit the US did is driving prices to absurdity. None of it had to happen. But the Americans were bored, wanted a War or whatever dumb reason Washington has. I frankly don't even care at this point. Just that the Country stops f****** up the World's trade for five minutes.

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5minArgument Apr 11, 2026 +4

Not as irrelevant as you wish, US imports something like 30-35% of its oil daily. The relevant part is once the parts of the world that DO rely on the ME start experiencing real energy shortages we will see global bidding wars/surge prices for all available supply. That 35% will be very difficult to maintain and the costs are gonna follow.

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SkiingAway Apr 11, 2026 +1

Read the second segment of my post again.

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5minArgument Apr 11, 2026 +1

Theres a misunderstood part of this, US production and sales are not beholden to politics. There are many existing long standing foreign contracts and on top of that there is no obligation to limit sales for domestic supply. US firms will sell to highest bidders. So kinda relevant.

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nestormakhnosghost Apr 10, 2026 +2

This is so true. Don't see enough of this getting traction in the media.

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nothankeww Apr 11, 2026 +2

of course not because people would panic buy just like they did during Covid

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wh4tth3huh Apr 10, 2026 +14

The comfortable must be inconvenienced if we want things to change.

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CatchPersonal7182 Apr 10, 2026 +29

Ive just got an email that BA cancelled my flight for may.

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my5cworth Apr 10, 2026 +11

Dang that sucks. Mind if I ask which route?

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coomzee Apr 10, 2026 +5

Probably cloudy that day.

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TheDreamWaIker Apr 10, 2026 +2

Sorry to hear. I'm also flying BA in mid May but I haven't heard anything yet so hoping it'll be ok 🤞🏻

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kate500 Apr 10, 2026 +65

Start posting about how much of a positive impact this will have on climate change, and I can almost guarantee those jets will have a full tank of gas in no time!

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takesthebiscuit Apr 10, 2026 +31

If only the cause wasn’t massvie refineries and oil fields being set on fire

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kate500 Apr 10, 2026 +4

true, true..

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Adventurous_Bus_437 Apr 10, 2026 +24

Would be really nice if we had competitive high speed rail connecting all of europe without hassel right now wouldnt it?

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snowypotato Apr 10, 2026 +2

_cries in american_ Y’all’s non high speed rail is often faster than what we call high speed over here. Hell, on the west coast we’ve barely got any rail at all

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PRSArchon Apr 11, 2026 +1

Do you even understand what you are saying? How would you connect "all of europe" with high speed rail? The amount of insanely high cost rail needed to connect all major cities in europe is insane. Even low speed rail cannot compete with aviation on price despite receiving more goverment subsidies. The cost of the infrastructure is astronomical while the infrastructure cost of a airport is c****, some regional airports are as simple as a runway and a small building. Even low speed rail projects often cost around 40 milion euro per km just to build it, highspeed rail would be even more. You don't have to believe me either, here is a nice article from the Technical University Eindhoven explaining in detail why more rail is not the answer to less flying: https://www.cursor.tue.nl/en/background/2025/mei/week-1/why-trains-are-not-yet-replacing-planes An interesting quote because i know you wont actually rrad my source: “To replace just one third of European flights, you would need to add an estimated 20,000 to 30,000 kilometers of track. That costs a trillion euros, an extreme amount of energy for all the concrete and iron, and it destroys our landscape.”

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KebabAnnhilator Apr 10, 2026 +19

Fantastic, going on holiday in 18 days let’s see what happens RemindMe! 18 days

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vipros42 Apr 10, 2026 +6

I'm going two weeks today and am choosing to try and ignore this as a risk

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Notnow_Imtoodrunk Apr 11, 2026 +3

I'm flying Australia to UK on the 17th for 2 weeks.... Fingers crossed

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GrumpyOlBastard Apr 10, 2026 +2

I'm going to Greece in September. I wonder if things will have settled out by then

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vipros42 Apr 10, 2026 +5

We'll generally be fucked by then if not

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Squeekydink Apr 10, 2026 +4

I'm heading out in 21 days. Would make for a good personal story if I happen to get stuck in Europe cause they cut off trans Atlantic flights on my return.

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SkiingAway Apr 10, 2026 +7

Probably unlikely. Those flights are much more lucrative than flying within Europe is, and they (obviously) do not have alternatives. Both airlines and governments generally impose cuts starting with the shortest flights with the best available alternatives and working up from there. Which is to say: Long-haul will likely be the last flights to be cut for shortages, not the first. (unless it's for disappearing *demand*, but if that's the case it implies there are open seats on other Trans-Atlantic flights to rebook you on). Additionally, since the fuel situation in North America will be substantially better - operating those flights is less of a burden on limited European fuel supplies in a sense. A flight within Europe is needing fuel from Europe both ways, a flight to elsewhere only needs fuel from Europe one way. For flights not operating near the limits of the aircraft's range I wouldn't even be surprised to hear that they start loading them to absolute max on fuel in North America so they don't need as much fuel from Europe for the trip back to North America.

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UnawareSeriousness Apr 10, 2026 +1

Going in 20... I'm really nervous.

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KebabAnnhilator Apr 10, 2026

Eh you’ll either go or you won’t, did you book a holiday package?

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UnawareSeriousness Apr 10, 2026 +1

No, just flights. I’m staying at a friend’s place.

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alexefi Apr 10, 2026 +10

At least there also train alternatives to some destinations within europe.

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OldLondon Apr 10, 2026 +6

Thanks Trump you Spunk Trumpet

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roaming_bear Apr 10, 2026 +6

This summer is gonna be amazing

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NeoBahamutX Apr 10, 2026 +6

Start with the private jets make them go commercial

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Sea_Quiet_9612 Apr 10, 2026 +7

Ça va il reste encore des trains a grande vitesse , tout ce que les U.S n'ont pas

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FloodAdvisor Apr 11, 2026 +3

Hello darkness my old friend

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Ebi5000 Apr 11, 2026 +3

Don't worry germany already lowered Airfuel taxes, that should fix it.

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FairlyInconsistentRa Apr 10, 2026 +5

I really want to go to Japan in September. Had to hold off getting flights until the start of June as I'll need to work more overtime. Hotel is booked. I really cannot deal with having to cancel it again. Was supposed to go in 2021 but had to cancel for obvious reasons. Rescheduled it for 2024 but my landlord was an arse and defaulted on the mortgage so again I had to cancel. 2025 was a write off due to the fallout from 2024. I'm finally in the position to be able to afford it and goe but there's the real possibility I'll be able to afford the flights and then they get cancelled due to lack of fuel. Damn.

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issm Apr 10, 2026 +6

Look on the bright side, if they start cancelling flghts due to fuel shortages, the ones that'll get cancelled first are relatively low demand short haul routes. The flagship long haul routes are actually the most fuel efficient (since the most fuel hungry part of flight is takeoff and climbout, and long haul routes spend more time cruising than climbing), and unlike short haul where there's competition from cars and trains, if you need to go long haul, you have to take a plane.

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Therianthropie Apr 10, 2026 +1

Just booked my flight to Japan for mid May...

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FairlyInconsistentRa Apr 10, 2026 +1

Honestly hope you get to go.

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Therianthropie Apr 11, 2026

Thanks, I hope you too. If it happens we're insured at least, but would be sad anyways. Until September there's still some time. I would think that the situation has been resolved until then. Fingers crossed.

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FuckUpMaster9000 Apr 11, 2026 +1

Was looking on going from italy to australia, so it's a similar type of travel in september too. I really hope they don't cancel shit because it's my first long holiday i can afford in years and it has always been a dream of mine to go there

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nothankeww Apr 11, 2026

I hope you get to go! It’s been a lifelong dream of mine to go, and I can’t stop thinking about it lately

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rob101 Apr 10, 2026 +4

world cup should be fun

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nksama Apr 10, 2026 +4

so no europeans going to the world cup? it's a win in my book

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zazon5 Apr 11, 2026 +1

You mean, will. It takes at least a month and a half to ship oil, that's once they're able to restart production. Not to mention, this is currently the slowest season for gas consumption.

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Disillusioned_Pleb01 Apr 10, 2026 +1

Iran will have nuclear weapons by then.

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mimikay_dicealot Apr 10, 2026 +1

I was going for 2 weeks in july... I guess I'm fucked and it's like 800 euros in tickets and stay and shows thrown into the trash. Great. Just... Great.

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Positive_Hall_3207 Apr 10, 2026 +3

Well you are not alone with your sentiment . I was planning to go earlier but now I don’t know if I will be able to go in July at all: Great. Just Great I use too . Let’s see.

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Advanced_Section891 Apr 10, 2026 -4

A prime example of when you pursue policies that go against your own self interests. For years European airports refused to refuel Iranian civilian aircrafts. Europe went along with America and its maximum pressure campaign that essentially led to where we are now and war. And things have come full circle as European Airlines are now about to run out of fuel.

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ryansalad Apr 10, 2026 -14

In which the Europeans discover that their economy and their society is built on fragile foundations... It's not likely that the situation will improve for them.

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European airports could face jet fuel shortages within three weeks

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